Conservative VS Liberal

[pattygreen 5]

No one has the assets and expertise of BP. The government can fight wars, conduct a census and hand out billions in earmarks, but it has not a clue how to cap a mile-deep, out-of-control oil well.

Obama didn't help much with his finger-pointing Rose Garden speech in which he denounced finger-pointing, then proceeded to blame everyone but himself. Even the grace note of admitting some federal responsibility turned sour when he reflexively added these problems have been going on "for a decade or more." Translation: Bush did it. In contrast, his own Interior secretary had worked diligently to solve the problem "from the day he took office."

Really? Why hadn't we heard a thing about this? What about the September 2009 letter from Obama's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration accusing Interior's Minerals Management Service of understating the "risk and impacts" of a major oil spill? When you get a blow- out 15 months into your administration, and your own Interior Department had given BP a "categorical" environmental exemption in April 2009, the buck stops.

In the end, speeches will make no difference. If BP can cap the well in time to prevent an absolute calamity in the Gulf, as it seemed poised to do last week, the president will escape politically. If the gusher isn't stopped before the relief wells are completed in August, it will become Obama's Katrina. That will be unfair because Obama is no more responsible for the damage caused by this than Bush was for the damage caused by Katrina. But that's the nature of American politics and its presidential cult of personality: We expect presidents to play Superman. Helplessness, however undeniable, is no defense.

Moreover, Obama has never been overly modest about his own powers. Two years ago next week, he declared that history will mark his ascent to the presidency as the moment when "our planet began to heal" and "the rise of the oceans began to slow."

How true!

Well, when you anoint yourself King Canute, you mustn't be surprised when your subjects expect you to command the tides.

Charles Krauthammer

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Why are we drilling in 5,000 feet of Water in the first place?

Many reasons, but this one goes unmentioned: Environmental chic has driven us out there. As production from the shallower Gulf of Mexico wells declines, we go deep (1,000-plus feet) and ultra deep (5,000-plus feet) because environmentalists have succeeded in rendering the Pacific and nearly all of the Atlantic Coast off-limits to oil production. (President Obama's tentative, selective opening of some Atlantic and offshore Alaska sites is now dead.) And in the safest of all places, on land, we've had a 30-year ban on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

So we go deep, ultra deep, to such a technological frontier that no precedent exists for the April 20 blowout in the Gulf of Mexico.

There always will be catastrophic oil spills. You make them as rare as humanly possible, but where would you rather have one: in the Gulf of Mexico, upon which thousands depend for their livelihood, or in the Arctic, where there are practically no people?

All spills damage wildlife. But why have we pushed the drilling from the barren to the populated, from the remote wilderness to a center of fishing, shipping, tourism and recreation? Not that the environmentalists are the only ones to blame. Not by far. But it is odd they've escaped mention. Charles Krauthammer

This BS is straight out of dumba$$ limbaugh's drug induced babbling - that's right - blame the environmentalist for BP's F up :confused:.

Let's not blame BP who told congress (when they applied for the license) that they had the means, technology and ability to fix any accident like the one that happened. So, they lie, the accident happens and then they're like - well, no, we actually don't have the means, technology or ability to fix this accident. But blame the environmentalists!

Unbelievable!! Well, actually not unbelievable considering the source.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

No one has the assets and expertise of BP. The government can fight wars, conduct a census and hand out billions in earmarks, but it has not a clue how to cap a mile-deep, out-of-control oil well.

Obama didn't help much with his finger-pointing Rose Garden speech in which he denounced finger-pointing, then proceeded to blame everyone but himself. Even the grace note of admitting some federal responsibility turned sour when he reflexively added these problems have been going on "for a decade or more." Translation: Bush did it. In contrast, his own Interior secretary had worked diligently to solve the problem "from the day he took office."

Really? Why hadn't we heard a thing about this? What about the September 2009 letter from Obama's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration accusing Interior's Minerals Management Service of understating the "risk and impacts" of a major oil spill? When you get a blow- out 15 months into your administration, and your own Interior Department had given BP a "categorical" environmental exemption in April 2009, the buck stops.

In the end, speeches will make no difference. If BP can cap the well in time to prevent an absolute calamity in the Gulf, as it seemed poised to do last week, the president will escape politically. If the gusher isn't stopped before the relief wells are completed in August, it will become Obama's Katrina. That will be unfair because Obama is no more responsible for the damage caused by this than Bush was for the damage caused by Katrina. But that's the nature of American politics and its presidential cult of personality: We expect presidents to play Superman. Helplessness, however undeniable, is no defense.

Moreover, Obama has never been overly modest about his own powers. Two years ago next week, he declared that history will mark his ascent to the presidency as the moment when "our planet began to heal" and "the rise of the oceans began to slow."

How true!

Well, when you anoint yourself King Canute, you mustn't be surprised when your subjects expect you to command the tides.

Charles Krauthammer

I heard Pres. Obama say that he takes responsibility for the oil spill. I wonder why krauthammer didn't hear that? Oh, I know, he must watch fox news.

The republicans and conservative media are trying hard to make this Obama's Katrina. But these are two different things. bush was literally eating cake with mccain while people were drowning in New Orleans. Remember "you're doing a helluva job, Brownie". Brownie got fired.

Pres. Obama has been on top of this oil spill since day one. The government does not have a "fix the private industry oil spill" agency. The technology to fix this lies with private industry and they should bear ALL the cost of this fix and clean up.

But the republicans in congress only want BP to have a $75 million liability. Are you kidding me? They made nearly $250 billion last year. But the republicans are standing with big oil, not the american people hurt by this. What a shock! :confused:

And if we are going to bring up memos - let's bring up the August 2001 entitled: Bin Laden determined to attack within the United States. That memo was ignored as bush cut brush that month in Crawford County.

Let them eat cake!!!

[leroyspuds 0]

Conservatives regard big businesses as a sacred cow and are looking for a scapegoat to divert attention from the truth. BP screwed up. Haliburton screwed up. But somehow it's all Obama's fault, not the fat cats who are licking their chops while people's lives are devastated.

It's not the poor that are sucking up your dollars. You know where your money is going? -- to pay for the mistakes of the rich and greedy corporations who have no moral imperative to do the right thing. They'll make a buck at any price to society. We need more regulation before they drive the world into bankruptcy and ruin the planet along with our children's future. We need to flush the lobbyists out and de-corporatize our Congress. NO MORE CORPORATE WELFARE.

Conservatives talk about revolting against their government when they should be revolting against big businesses who are sucking the lifeblood out of our country.

Well, maybe when the Messiah returns "He" can plug the leak!

[leroyspuds 0]

Say Patty, did you know the guy you are quoting is a supporter of legalized abortion; an opponent of the death penalty; an intelligent design critic and an advocate for the scientific consensus on evolution, calling the religion-science controversy a "false conflict; a supporter of embryonic stem cell research using embryos discarded by fertility clinics with restrictions in its applications; and a longtime advocate of radically higher energy taxes to induce conservation. Hmmm, and you're quoting this guy?

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Conservatives regard big businesses as a sacred cow and are looking for a scapegoat to divert attention from the truth. BP screwed up. Haliburton screwed up. But somehow it's all Obama's fault, not the fat cats who are licking their chops while people's lives are devastated.

It's not the poor that are sucking up your dollars. You know where your money is going? -- to pay for the mistakes of the rich and greedy corporations who have no moral imperative to do the right thing. They'll make a buck at any price to society. We need more regulation before they drive the world into bankruptcy and ruin the planet along with our children's future. We need to flush the lobbyists out and de-corporatize our Congress. NO MORE CORPORATE WELFARE.

Conservatives talk about revolting against their government when they should be revolting against big businesses who are sucking the lifeblood out of our country.

Well, maybe when the Messiah returns "He" can plug the leak!

Congress is trying to pass wall street and big banking reform. There are 2000 well paid corporate lobbyists in the hallways of congress and 60 who are there for the people - who are all volunteers. We, the people, are up against they, the big money. Wonder who will win or lose? Hmmmm.

[leroyspuds 0]

Corporations now shape our lives and our culture. We're hooked on them like a drug. Every minute of the day they're telling us what to wear, what to eat, what to listen to, what to watch, what to think, what to value. They have one objective -- to get our money any way they can.

They march out an endless array of products to capture our dollar and we stand in line to get the latest and greatest gadgets and fads. People can't survive without video games, cell phones and big screen TV's. We gobble up unhealthy convenience foods that make us fat. We buy medical insurance and get cut off when we get sick. We invest our retirement funds and it gets gambled away. People have to take prozac to enable them to cope with the anxiety and disconnectedness they feel by living this way.

The catch 22 is the corporations provide the jobs we work at to put food on our tables and a roof over our heads. It's a merry-go-round we can't get off. Our lives revolve around producing goods and services so we can get a paycheck to enable us to buy goods and services. So, the only answer is that we the people, through our elected representatives, make sure the corporations play fair.

[BJean 16]

They're drilling gas wells all over the place in Texas. In fact there's one within a mile of my neighborhood. The emissions are questionable as to air quality and yet we allow them to do it. And in fact, there are people who wish the oil company would come in and drill in their backyard so that they can get some "free" money.

Until this kind of mindset changes there will be continued raping of our environment and the soiling of what used to be a beautiful planet.

There are alternatives. We could live very differently - cleaner, healthier and happier. But we want material things so badly we are killing ourselves for it. What a country.

[leroyspuds 0]

Associated Press: "All along the Gulf Coast, where the tea party thrives and socialism is a common description for any government program, conservatives who usually denounce federal activism suddenly are clamoring for it."

I'd like to see Rand Paul go down to the gulf and tell those people that government should stay out of the affairs of BP.

[leroyspuds 0]

There are alternatives. We could live very differently - cleaner, healthier and happier. But we want material things so badly we are killing ourselves for it. What a country.

It really is sad BJean. It reminds me of the movie The Matrix where people are serving the big machine as human batteries. I'd like to unplug from it and live a more natural existence. I guess that's not possible these days (like ever since the industrial revolution!) :confused:

[pattygreen 5]

This BS is straight out of dumba$$ limbaugh's drug induced babbling - that's right - blame the environmentalist for BP's F up :confused:.

Let's not blame BP who told congress (when they applied for the license) that they had the means, technology and ability to fix any accident like the one that happened. So, they lie, the accident happens and then they're like - well, no, we actually don't have the means, technology or ability to fix this accident. But blame the environmentalists!

Unbelievable!! Well, actually not unbelievable considering the source.

What! You didn't read the last sentence in the post: You just read what you wanted to read and ASSumed that I put TOTAL blame on environmentalists!

It read: Not that the environmentalists are the only ones to blame. Not by far. But it is odd they've escaped mention.

[pattygreen 5]

Say Patty, did you know the guy you are quoting is a supporter of legalized abortion; an opponent of the death penalty; an intelligent design critic and an advocate for the scientific consensus on evolution, calling the religion-science controversy a "false conflict; a supporter of embryonic stem cell research using embryos discarded by fertility clinics with restrictions in its applications; and a longtime advocate of radically higher energy taxes to induce conservation. Hmmm, and you're quoting this guy?

What he does is irrelevent to this topic. I did not research his life stand on all the issues in the world.:confused: I read it in the paper and I agreed with what he said IN THAT ARTICLE.

[pattygreen 5]

Corporations now shape our lives and our culture. We're hooked on them like a drug. Every minute of the day they're telling us what to wear, what to eat, what to listen to, what to watch, what to think, what to value. They have one objective -- to get our money any way they can.

You don't have to buy thier products. Boycott any corporation that you feel hurts you in any way.

They march out an endless array of products to capture our dollar and we stand in line to get the latest and greatest gadgets and fads. People can't survive without video games, cell phones and big screen TV's. I can. We gobble up unhealthy convenience foods that make us fat. We buy medical insurance and get cut off when we get sick. We invest our retirement funds and it gets gambled away. People have to take prozac to enable them to cope with the anxiety and disconnectedness they feel by living this way.

The catch 22 is the corporations provide the jobs we work at to put food on our tables and a roof over our heads. It's a merry-go-round we can't get off. Our lives revolve around producing goods and services so we can get a paycheck to enable us to buy goods and services. So, the only answer is that we the people, through our elected representatives, make sure the corporations play fair.

I agree. The only problem is that the government makes it very difficult with all their regualtions. When you allow some regulating , which is needed, they take it to the extreem. There regulations don't JUST effect the BIG companies, that probably can afford to abide by them without going under, but they effect the small businessman as well, and here is where these regulations play a part. Businesses have to end because they can't abide fimnacially by all the Rules the giovernment demands of them. The government then gets to the point of telling you whether we can have salt or not. Or they try to ban eating, drinking soda or tying your hair up while driving. If they pass those, they may add taking your hand off the wheel to turn on the radio, or talking to a passenger. They just go TOO far. Here's a few laws in CT that are ridiculus, yet someone , probably a liberal, felt they were needed.

Devon, CT

It is unlawful to walk backwards after sunset.

Guilford

Only white Christmas lights are allowed for display.

Hartford

You aren't allowed to cross a street while walking on your hands. You may not educate dogs. It is illegal for a man to kiss his wife on Sunday.

New Britain

It is illegal for fire trucks to exceed 25mph, even when going to a fire.

Southington

Silly string is banned.

Waterbury

It is illegal for any beautician to hum, whistle, or sing while working on a customer.

Stupid Laws Go here to look up the stupid laws in your state!

Edited June 2, 2010 by pattygreen

[pattygreen 5]

They're drilling gas wells all over the place in Texas. In fact there's one within a mile of my neighborhood. The emissions are questionable as to air quality and yet we allow them to do it. And in fact, there are people who wish the oil company would come in and drill in their backyard so that they can get some "free" money.

Until this kind of mindset changes there will be continued raping of our environment and the soiling of what used to be a beautiful planet.

There are alternatives. We could live very differently - cleaner, healthier and happier. But we want material things so badly we are killing ourselves for it. What a country.

You must heat your home with wood.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

What! You didn't read the last sentence in the post: You just read what you wanted to read and ASSumed that I put TOTAL blame on environmentalists!

It read: Not that the environmentalists are the only ones to blame. Not by far. But it is odd they've escaped mention.

I don't care what the reason is for BP drilling where they did. The accident was THEIR fault, not the environmentalists. They lied about their ability to contain or solve a oil leak like this one. THEY LIED. Their license was awarded based on these lies. Geez! What don't you get?

Fault:

BP: 100%

Environmentalists: 0%

Got it?