Conservative VS Liberal

[BJean 16]

I'm confused. Who're we talking to here ariscus or patty? We were debating with patty then she disappeared and then ariscus took up the cause. Are they tag teaming us?

[ariscus99 1]

I'm confused. Who're we talking to here ariscus or patty? We were debating with patty then she disappeared and then ariscus took up the cause. Are they tag teaming us?

Your so clever:rolleyes:

[tdslf1 0]

I think you may be right BJ. What are the chances that two people think and post the same Faux News talking points. Then again, I did say Fake has cast a net of voodoo........

[ariscus99 1]

I think you may be right BJ. What are the chances that two people think and post the same Faux News talking points. Then again, I did say Fake has cast a net of voodoo........

Are we to think you all are the same person for spewing the same bleeding heart liberal propaganda bs? Or is just possible more than one person has a particular political view that is similar to another person's? Or is that to off base for cleojeanslfmason?

[tdslf1 0]

Propaganda? Most of us here post facts that are taken from many TV channels and sources. I have never heard the stuff you and PG post except from Limbiscuit, Beck and Bill the clown co-signed by Hannity, which is the original comedy channel, Fake News. Oh, sorry Limb is the righty defacto leader who has his own show. Point being I can go on regular tv, ABC, NBC, CBS and get the straight facts w/out commentary and compare them to my so-called liberal propaganda and they would come out somewhat similiar. Now why is it that 80 channels have slight variations of the same facts, but Fake Noise seems to have the direct opposite darn near all the time when it comes to this so-called regime?

Don't run the "a lot of people watch Faux news" mantra. I also watch it for the comedy factor. Lots of people do, just to see how far they can stretch that reality factor and cast their net, yet and still, we liberal propaganda listeners won the election..............

[BJean 16]

Why yes, blush, I'm quite clever. At least you're smart enough to recognize that. Thanks.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Are we to think you all are the same person for spewing the same bleeding heart liberal propaganda bs? Or is just possible more than one person has a particular political view that is similar to another person's? Or is that to off base for cleojeanslfmason?

I'd rather be a bleeding heart liberal than a heartless neocon anyday. You betcha!!

[BJean 16]

Is it just me or do all the posts by us bleeding hearts sound a little different? You know, different perspectives, different wording, different reactions to the neocon's posts, etc.?

Whereas the extremist right wing posts all seem to reek of Fox's buzz words/talking points?

[tdslf1 0]

I appreciate you BJ and Cleo. You guys are on top of it all the time. I just jump in when I hear the Fake Noise dog whistle. I get irate when I hear the terrorist, nazi, association angle. Hard enough when you see info posted as fact, but then you also get the rumors, smears and out right lies disguised to the uneducated as facts.

The righties are working a full time job trying to discredit the left and specifically Obama. Not necessarily that I agree with everything he does but I do believe he tries to do the right thing most of the time for this country and that is a start for me. The country is going in the generally right direction as far as I can see. I will support him in his agenda to help this country, I will critisize him when he goes in a direction that I feel is terrible for the country, but I will never call him names such has been carelessly throw around to make him seem illegitimate because I don't believe in his agenda or because he seems different like the righties continue to do.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but not their own facts. Problem I have with the right is they want to present facts as truth to deceive the uneducated. We have to make sure we combat that everyday.

[pattygreen 5]

Lets get this straight, PG. Calling commentators retards are not similiar to calling someone the N word. Why? Simply because the word retard was used to describe the handicapp many years ago which was then socially acceptable. Then it was replaced by the better term, mentally challenged and so forth. The N word can never be changed to make it sound acceptable. It has NO replacement. Retard does. Thus NO equivilent.

Now give us the background on the word 'retard' and how it was originally used and what it has come to mean today.

He already did that.

[BJean 16]

He already did that.

You are the one who flipped out about his use of that word. It's you who I asked to define it because you seemed to think that it was the equivalent of someone calling the president a "nigger."

tdslf the thing that is so confounding to anyone who has a truly fair and civil bone in his body is why people like Rush Limbaugh and the incredibly unfair and biased Fox network commontaters are given any credibility at all, ever. Rush Limbaugh is a bald-faced liar.

He has always lied but only in the past few years has he been able to amass such a following of people who apparently believe that he is speaking truth. He is a very dishonest, very clever and devious mad man. And he's laughing all the way to the bank - on the backs of the poor ignorant bastards who think he's the second coming.

Rupurt Murdoch is similarly motivated and dishonest and although he only directly controls his Fox empire (as far as I know) he indirectly affects all the other networks because they spend time having to deal with the load of crap that he's dishing out. He's also laughing all the way to the bank and the power he wields is unbelievable in light of the fact that he's such a blatantly dishonest and biased person.

Of course we have to discuss it. It's outrageous and it is affecting our lives as free Americans in a very bad way.

[leroyspuds 0]

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Merely living on the land does not confirm ownership. Where do you get the idea that America belonged to the Indians? The white man's record is not clean, but the only land the indians owned is the land they cleared, lived on and cultivated. To suggest that they owned the whole country simply because they rode around it on horseback is pure poppycock. Most, if not all indian tribes did not believe in personal ownership of land. They did not consider a plot of ground theirs to be passed on to a son but ground that was owned by the tribe for the good of all. The same attitude was held toward food. If a brave took a bison or deer in a hunt, it did not belong to him but to the tribe. The shallow thinker says, "That's magnanimous and unselfish." but it is also socialism and could be one reason why the Indians were living substantially the same way when Columbus arrived as they had lived 500 years earlier.

Also, just because man is born unto sin, doesn't make the truth of America starting as a Christian Nation any less true.

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[BJean 16]

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Merely living on the land does not confirm ownership. Where do you get the idea that America belonged to the Indians? The white man's record is not clean, but the only land the indians owned is the land they cleared, lived on and cultivated. To suggest that they owned the whole country simply because they rode around it on horseback is pure poppycock. Most, if not all indian tribes did not believe in personal ownership of land. They did not consider a plot of ground theirs to be passed on to a son but ground that was owned by the tribe for the good of all. The same attitude was held toward food. If a brave took a bison or deer in a hunt, it did not belong to him but to the tribe. The shallow thinker says, "That's magnanimous and unselfish." but it is also socialism and could be one reason why the Indians were living substantially the same way when Columbus arrived as they had lived 500 years earlier.

Also, just because man is born unto sin, doesn't make the truth of America starting as a Christian Nation any less true.

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leroy it boggles the mind doesn't it? Socialism is a buzz word that the right wing has gommed onto that makes them feel all warm and fuzzy and patriotic toward capitalism.

We're learing that many people who are so right wing that they have become exclusionary are now fixated to the extent that they are extremists in the worst sense of the word.

Sometimes they spew the same things that extremists in the Middle East spew. Yet they say they hate Muslims and have insulted our president (in their eyes) by calling him a Muslim.

The right wing crazies are drinking the Limbaugh/Fox kool-aide and nothing any real free thinker can tell them will convince them to stand back and reasses their abandonment to the kool-aide fix they crave everyday.

For one of them to stand up with tears streaming and say, "I want my country back" it is obvious that they are a real threat to our democratic process and our American way of life. Because if you don't join the Tea Party bandwagon and drink the tea party kool-aide, they'd probably just as soon shoot you as have a debate with you.

[tdslf1 0]

Merely living on the land does not confirm ownership. Where do you get the idea that America belonged to the Indians? The white man's record is not clean, but the only land the indians owned is the land they cleared, lived on and cultivated. To suggest that they owned the whole country simply because they rode around it on horseback is pure poppycock. Most, if not all indian tribes did not believe in personal ownership of land. They did not consider a plot of ground theirs to be passed on to a son but ground that was owned by the tribe for the good of all. The same attitude was held toward food. If a brave took a bison or deer in a hunt, it did not belong to him but to the tribe. The shallow thinker says, "That's magnanimous and unselfish." but it is also socialism and could be one reason why the Indians were living substantially the same way when Columbus arrived as they had lived 500 years earlier.

Proof

[Cleo's Mom 257]

And the fact that the Indians were living the same way they had for 500 years when Columbus arrived served them well. It was only after the white man arrived with his "progress" did he spread his diseases to the Indians.