Conservative VS Liberal

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Written by the Associated Press

I found the article, Thursday April 14 Tribune Review. Page A10

"Healthcare panel cancels hearing"

Dem lawmakers canceled a hearing Wednsday, called to hear concerns by AT&T and other corporations about new employer costs in the healthcare overhaul, saying the companies now believe the overhaul could ease their costs if implemented properly.

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Waxmans statement quotes an AT&T vice president as saying"if other parts of the law aimed at lowering costs are successful, self insured companies like AT&T would likely benefit from such reduced costs".

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I didnt feel like typing the whole article, its 8 paragraphs.

The subsidy thing you wrote about is what the rest of the article is about.

This is what needs to happen at every level of charges against Obama and the democrats and their agenda:

PUT UP OR SHUT UP - this goes for boehner, mcconnell, mccain, palin, rush, beck, rove, cheney and all the other big mouths. SHOW US THE FACTS - OR SHUT UP!!! That would silence them all in a hurry. They don't deal in facts, just lies and fear.

I love it! When they were told to put up they backed down and reversed their earlier predictions from costing billions to saving them money - unbelievable!!

[Cleo's Mom 257]

March 29, 2010

The news: several companies, including 3M, John Deere, and Caterpillar, have already announced that due to the health-care plan recently (and with incredible tumult) signed into law, they'll see raised expenses this year, which could be tough in this economic environment. But all of those companies' added expenses combined don't add up to half of AT&T's proposed problem, announced on Friday and reported by The New York Times: the telecommunications giant says they'll see a whopping $1 billion "noncash accounting charge" this year. In other words, AT&T will have $1 billion less in 2010 than in 2009, explicitly because of this bill--and such a big change in the books may mean AT&T will pass on the loss to its employees, possibly resulting in a loss of health-care benefits for retirees.

April 18, 2010

House panel cancels meeting with company execs on healthcare law costs

By Vicki Needham - 04/14/10 05:44 PM ET

A House panel has canceled a hearing to examine the financial effects of the healthcare law on the nation's large companies.

The companies asked to allow more time for provisions of the new law to go into effect before holding a hearing, House Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman and Bart Stupak, chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations wrote in a letter to subcommittee members dated Wednesday.

Company representatives from AT&T, John Deere, Verizon and Caterpillar were scheduled to testify April 21 about millions in additional costs the healthcare law would create for their businesses.

During preliminary interviews, representatives from the large employers said the new law could have positive effects for the companies by eventually cutting healthcare expenses, if implemented properly, according to the letter.

John Castellani, president of the Business Roundtable, told committee staff that if "implemented right, the law has the potential to make employers and employees better off because it could bend the cost curve," according to the letter.

Several companies commented on how the healthcare bill could help their companies. "Should the structural reforms intended to reduce the costs of delivering healthcare ultimately prove successful over time, self-insured companies like AT&T would likely benefit from such reduced costs," said Wayne Watts, senior executive vice president for AT&T.

Wow! When they were told to "show us the figures" they backed down and changed their tune.

And there are those who say the government lies :thumbup: - IT'S CORPORATE AMERICA WHO ARE THE LIARS AND THIEVES (DOES GOLDMAN SACHS RING A BELL?)

Edited April 20, 2010 by Cleo's Mom

[loserbob 11]

To follow up on PG's hilarious email: Add to the list of what the right wing extremists can keep:

-all the hoods and the KKK who wears them

-the anti-government militia who want to kill those cops you're keeping.

-Timothy McVeigh

-the segregated south

-lynchings

-women who aren't allowed to vote

-pay inequality for the sexes

-child labor (aren't your kids lazy anyway?)

-80 hour work weeks (I mean what else are you going to do with your time other than adjust the gun rack on your truck?)

-no minimum wage (is that Walmart I hear clapping?)

-no workplace safety (does Massey mine sound good?)

-all the tainted drugs, food, Water and polluted air you can take, eat and breathe

-no healthcare (you can self-medicate with tainted drugs or go to your local redneck bar to dull the pain)

-no social security or medicare (grandma's coming to live with you, so you get to keep her, too)

-confederate flag

-and george bush, limbaugh, beck, hannity, rove and the dominatrix of the nut-teas - Sarah Palin with her penchant for leather (she just wants to hurt ya, you betcha)

You forgot strip/bondage clubs, if not, where will reps have meetings?

[loserbob 11]

CNN Gallup poll

Regulate wall street banks

Favor-67%

Oppose-20%

Party preferred to handle financial regulation

Back dems-42%

Back reps- 34%

Ya, it looks like the scaremongerers tactics are still working!!!

AGAINST THEM!

[LeighaMason 19]

Of course it is working, its a paid for ad campaign just like the ad campaigns for Coke, Pepsi, McDonald's, Camels and every other company that convinces the American public to buy products (or ideas) that are against their own best interests.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

More on the tea party. I asked this same question quite some time ago and knew the answer, too. The teabaggers are fakes:

Where Are the Tea Party Protests About Wall Street?

Fri Apr 23, 2010 at 04:38:44 AM PDT

We're down to the wire here on financial reform. I can't think of a better time to put pressure on Wall Street and Washington to make sure there is adequate regulation to ensure that we never have another bailout. The AFL-CIO is about to have a protest at Wall Street on April 29th. Great, that makes sense. I'm sure the right-wing groups who are also upset about the bailouts will join them.

If you remember, the Tea Parties were originally formed to protest the bailouts. They were so mad at the Wall Street bankers who destroyed the economy and then took our hard earned money for their efforts.

So, they will take this opportunity of course to launch their own protest of Wall Street. They will protest the TARP money, the easy credit, the lack of regulation, the wild risk taking and the excessive bonuses paid with taxpayer money. They're really going to take the fight to them.

Just kidding. They're not going to do anything. They're going to sit out this fight on financial reform and put absolutely no pressure on Wall Street at all. Because they are tools easily manipulated by right-wing organizations funded by corporate America.

I really feel sorry for them. They're dupes. They think they are so fiercely independent when in fact they are the most easily manipulated people in the country. All that anger toward the power establishment and what happened? They were used by that same establishment to fight against health care reform and to try to protect the health insurance companies. Suckers.

Now, when it's time to fight the financial companies, where are they? Nowhere to be found. Why? Because FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity didn't organize any bus rides to Wall Street. They didn't manufacture the outrage they did in protecting the health care companies. They used the Tea Party protestors for their own purposes and then left them on the side of the road, only to be picked up again when they need to protect another company or industry.

I issued a challenge back in January to the Tea Party organizers to rally against Wall Street or even against the Obama administration (Tim Geithner in particular) for being too soft on them. And what's happened since then? Nada. Zilch. Zippo.

So, I was proven right - they're never, ever going to protest Wall Street because they are ignorant dupes being led by the nose by their corporate overlords. And they think they're so tough and independent-minded. What a farce. The whole movement is a sad joke being played on its own members.

from: dailykos

Edited April 23, 2010 by Cleo's Mom

[BJean 16]

Ya'll keep up the good work. It gives me some hope. I play Bridge with some women who love the Tea Party movement. And yes, they're just as dumb at card playing.

[LeighaMason 19]

:tt2:Maybe you can get them to switch to Poker and make some money!

[BJean 16]

Great suggestion. I tried that. They're too tight with a buck. I even suggested nickels.

Fortunately there are a couple of other gals who share my poliltics and we enjoy exchanging glances when one of them begins to spew right wing garbage. The most obnoxious ones are old (70s) and former military wives. They think they're being patriotic. They use the term "socialist" when they speak of Obama, but let's face it, they'be been sucking at the government teat their husband's entire career.

I apologize for that visual. I just couldn't come up with anything that describes it better.

[loserbob 11]

Now the Arizona reps are back to square one. They want to make a law which would force Obama to prove he has an American birth certificate.

I really dont care at this point but Im guessing he does have one, why doesnt he just show it? Maybe he did, Im not sure.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Now the Arizona reps are back to square one. They want to make a law which would force Obama to prove he has an American birth certificate.

I really dont care at this point but Im guessing he does have one, why doesnt he just show it? Maybe he did, Im not sure.

Been shown a million times. Does not satisfy the whacko birthers.

[pattygreen 5]

Then you say its ok for the gov to give some help but they give to much. Who decides how much is too much? I guess you!!!

The estimated population of the United States is 308,249,358

so each citizen's share of this debt is $41,775.54.

I guess when it starts to blow us out of the Water, then it's too much. Ya think?

[loserbob 11]

Been shown a million times. Does not satisfy the whacko birthers.

I told the 7-11 guy I thought they showed it on CNN the other day. He said"anyone can counterfeit one to show on tv", your right Cleosmom ,but I would guess Bushs is counterfeit, how do we know his is real?(by the way, I live in Fort Allen, the 7-11 is the one on rt. 136).

[loserbob 11]

The estimated population of the United States is 308,249,358

so each citizen's share of this debt is $41,775.54.

I guess when it starts to blow us out of the Water, then it's too much. Ya think?

I have a serious question for you, other than listening to Hannity, Beck talking about it every hour of every day, how does the deficit affect your everyday life. Weve pretty much always had a deficit, 2 trill, 8 trill, does it really matter, you act like your paying it all by yourself. Now Im not saying its a good thing but I dont know how you preaching about it is going to make it better, it is what it is. Dont tell me about my kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, great grandkids will be paying for it because theyll always be a deficit. And what is your answer to solving the issue, dont tell me "quit spending, I save when in crisis", people spending is what will, and is, stimulating the economy, not saving every penny! lets face it the economy is picking up, Im busier than Ive been in probably 3 years, I see it every day, people are starting to spend because of "consumer confidence" created by the stimulus. Again, Quit preaching and give logical answers. Keep running your mouth about polls, the poll results(which where always in your favor during election really worked in your favor. You can have your poll results, we'll take another landslide next election!

[loserbob 11]

The estimated population of the United States is 308,249,358

so each citizen's share of this debt is $41,775.54.

I guess when it starts to blow us out of the Water, then it's too much. Ya think?

So I guess if your population numbers are estimates(guesses)then the "each citizens share" is also a made up, guess, I mean estimate. Again, give true facts, not guesses, estimates or some figure you come up with in your head. If you dont know the exact number of people how do you know the exact amount, share of the citizens? Again what is your answer to stimulating the economy?