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[pattygreen 5]

The government doesn't know how to spend money wisely and be a good steward of what the people give them, therefore, when they come up with a bill that they say isn't going to cost us anything, and in fact will lower the deficit, we say "yeah, right!" Their past record shows they are full of it. And when people, like liberals out there who support what the government does, encourage even more wasteful spending, you have to wonder where their coming from.

[pattygreen 5]

Archive for March 22nd, 2010

This article states my point better than I could say it myself.

Feds/Progressives Take Over Student Loan Program

Posted by Steve Markowitz on March 22, 2010

In recent weeks the Country’s attention has been focused on the government’s attempted takeover of America’s healthcare system. This focus masks the larger challenge as Progressives have been implementing a broader plan to transform America into a European style socialist system. The evidence is convincing.

Progressives started their assault on capitalism with a soft sell approach. Realizing that America would never outwardly accept socialism, for decades they nibbled at the edges as they succeeded in adding a handout program here and there and then expanding coverage for these seemingly benign programs. The purported goals for these programs was humanitarian; to help the less fortunate. As a wealthy country, how could we not help our fellow citizens? But there were more insidious goals behind these seemingly separate governmental programs: to make more people dependent on the government. The Progressives understood that you own (and they vote for) people who offer the handouts.

What started as programs for the “needy” slowly became more mainstream. We would give subsidizes to farmers and other industries we deemed “important”. Then we would add programs for more middle-class Americans. With each new program we would also need a growing group of workers dependent on government “industries” for distributing funds and services, another beholding group. The Progressives would let this growing industry organize so that these labor unions would support the Progressive politicians who in turn would let the unions grow and collect more dues.

With the popping of the housing bubble and the economy’s rapid downward spiral, the Progressives in the federal government got the opportunity of a lifetime. In the chaos that followed, they bailout large corporations making them wards of the state. Bailout General Motors and they must do the government’s bidding. Bailout banks and the government “owns’ them. Bailout states and the federal government could control their spending too.

The healthcare industry, one-sixth of our economy, caused a hiccup in the Progressives march. This industry didn’t need a bailout making governmental control problematic. No problem: the Progressive-in-Chief, Barack Obama, created a crisis by telling Americans we all need a bailout (saving) being offered by the just passed healthcare overall bill. While it wasn’t easy sell, the backroom deals are leading us down the planned path. Starting to see a pattern here? Just coincidence? But wait, they aren’t finished yet.

While not given much air time, there are surprises in the healthcare bill. Take for example the government’s takeover of the student loan program. CNN Newsroom’s Kyra Phillips reported that weaved into the bill is language that would require all federal student loans to originate with the government. According to Phillips, “The measure also reaches beyond health care to education. Another one of President Obama’s top priorities – it will offer new help to needy college students”. Phillips went on to report that the change will save the government money in the future by eliminating the middleman. Sure Mr. Phillips, every program the government creates is initially touted as a money saver. But it never happens! And by the way Mr. Phillips, the government employees who now make more than their private industry counterparts are not middlemen? Really! I wonder if you also believe in the tooth fairy?

OK, so you ask: What does the student loan program have to do with healthcare reform? Absolutely nothing. However, it does fit in nicely with the Progressives’ desire to socialize our economy and have the government manage all aspects of it.

When this President said just prior to his election that we were: “Five Days Away from Fundamentally Transforming America “ he meant it. Now many who voted for the Progressive-in-Chief are having buyer’s remorse. They expressed this in the gubernatorial elections in New Jersey and Virginia and the senatorial election in Massachusetts. But Washington isn’t listening. Oh yes, that’s another thing about Progressives, they know better than that.

Edited April 3, 2010 by pattygreen

[BJean 16]

What the heck? Who wrote this? Where was it published? Is it a reliable source? Did YOU write it?

[BJean 16]

In my post above I was referring to this post:

#525 by patty

[BJean 16]

"Assault on capitalism" really? The progressives have a broad "plan" to turn America into a European style socialist system?

You can't get very far into the article before you realize it is somebody's conjecture and this somebody is not being even-handed in his rant. It sounds like one of my rants except for the right instead of the left. I'm underwhelmed.

[pattygreen 5]

Pork Report, March 2, 2010: Beer Museum Edition

by The Pork Report Spending Under the Influence: National Brewery Museum receives a $449,574 grant from the Federal Highway Administration

The Secretary of Transportation says “it’s fun playing Santa Claus to states and cities around the nation”

…as the Department of Transportation furloughs federal bridge and road inspectors

Washington politicians and bureaucrats enjoy ‘lavish’ government pensions; Federal employees can draw on their pension beginning at age 50 and can get as much as 80 percent of their final salary

National Institutes of Health spends $3.9 million to develop ‘Avatar’ sex-ed video game for kids

National Science Foundation pays to produce a “free” CD for road trips on a highway in California

Director of Louisiana housing agency charged taxpayers for personal expenses; Unallowable charges included a $150 bill at hair salon, items from a sporting goods store and Wal-Mart, and telephone and electric bills

BAILOUT WATCH: Fannie Mae seeking a $15.3 billion bailout

78 percent of Americans say government spending is out of control and 59 percent of U.S. citizens do not trust the federal government

[Cleo's Mom 257]

I've said this a hundred times, yet you are soooo thick, that you either forget I said it or refuse to believe me when I say it. I am not against SOME government help for those who need it. I am against TOO many free giveaways at the expense of the hard working class, and I'm against government big time wastefulness, and their intrusion more and more into our lives. Are you deaf? SOME government help for those who really need it is acceptable. When the 'help' turns into entitlements and dependency and when it bankrupts the country, it's enough, and time to stop the squandering of our funds. Maybe you can get this about how I feel now after the quadrillionth time stating this. IT'S GETTING TOO MUCH NOW. WE ARE IN A RECESSION, WITH UNEMPLOYMENT AT STAGGERING HIGHS. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO 'HELP' EVERYONE NOW. THIS COUNTRY IS BANKRUPT. YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP PRINTING MONEY AND HOPE EVERYTHING WILL WORK ITSELF OUT!!!

You say you are for some government help for those who need it. But you never say which programs, entitlements, or subsidies you would eliminate. You never define how the government is more and more intrusive into your life. I don't feel any more intrusiveness under Pres. Obama than I did under bush. Actually less, now that I know my phone conversations aren't being listened to without a warrant.

Unemployment is high but the recession is getting better thanks to Pres. Obama's economic policies. He has extended unemployment benefits beyond the 26 weeks. Ask any of those who receive it if they feel this is intrusive.

You say you can't afford to help everyone. Who would you leave out?

If we don't help the least among us, we cease being the great country we are and we become morally bankrupt.

[LeighaMason 19]

Basic republican strategy # 1 If someone post a question that you can't answer, you should copy and paste so much crap that the question is lost and you don't have to answer it. (Copy and paste crap does not have to mean anything it just has to confuse question asker so that question gets lost in the shuffle.)

[BJean 16]

"If we don't help the least among us, we cease being the great country we are and we become morally bankrupt." says Cleo's

But Cleo's you need to take into account that the right wing doesn't think that it matters if they are morally bankrupt. They've been saved. They've accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior. They are not expected to be perfect or even strive for perfection. They are expected to sin - that's why Christ died on the cross. God knew humans couldn't go without sinning or perhaps even being morally bankrupt.

So all they have to do is keep on keepin' on so long as they accept Jesus as their savior. By golly, they're going to heaven and afterall, that's what it's all about. Right Alfie?

Sorry I couldn't resist. Patty is so hell bent on making assumptions when anyone who doesn't agree with her posts anything. Turn about is fair play. Um kay?

[BJean 16]

Leigha, patty has been ignoring every question I ask. And usually all I'm asking for is clarification of something she's posted. I have a feeling she doesn't always read what she's posted and doesn't realize the ambiguity of some of her posts.

She's in a pi$$ing contest and all that matters is that she wins for posting the longest stuff. It doesn't have to have any legitimacy or basis in truth, it just has to be long and very right wing.

[pattygreen 5]

Basic republican strategy # 1 If someone post a question that you can't answer, you should copy and paste so much crap that the question is lost and you don't have to answer it. (Copy and paste crap does not have to mean anything it just has to confuse question asker so that question gets lost in the shuffle.)

You're a very nasty person. Do people in your real life like you? I wonder if you have any friends.

[LeighaMason 19]

You're a very nasty person. Do people in your real life like you? I wonder if you have any friends.

None like you

ETA--I am actually very clean.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

With reference to the government taking over the student loan program: They cut out the middle man (banks) and SAVED billions of dollars.

Previously the banks got the profit, while the federal government assumed the risk (by guaranteeing the loan). How is that fair?:thumbup:

Now the government eliminates this (yeah!) and puts the savings into Pell grants so more kids can go to college

A win-win for all.:thumbup:

[LeighaMason 19]

You're a very nasty person. Do people in your real life like you? I wonder if you have any friends.

Wait a minute, weren't you the one who was crying to the moderators about name calling a few days ago?

[BJean 16]

You're a very nasty person. Do people in your real life like you? I wonder if you have any friends.

I would be willing to wager that if there were a contest to see who is more popular, you or Leigha, here at LBT you, patty, would not win.