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Ok people have talked about this before, but I wanted to share or put my 2 cents and my experience in. I'm past 8 months, 253 days post op to be exact. I wasn't a huge drinker but when I drank it was usually more than 2 drinks, so the long and short of it was I always got a hefty buzz or drunk, but I never drank unless I went out so I didn't see it as a "problem". But it was classic binge drinking when I did drink. Post surgery- after my ok to drink , I had some wine, first glass I didn't get drunk any faster, halfway through second I could be good but since we can't eat AND drink then why ruin my buzz, right? I eat well, I drink my water, I quit smoking, so I'd have some wine on the weekends (not normal for me) weekends turned into many days of the week, then every night. I've lost 104 now, I was still losing when I drank because I ate very little and I only drank wine. (I'm NOT glorifying any of this) With bariatric surgery I don't think there's a ok 2 glasses and I'm ok (as in not too drunk/tipsy, etc) . Pour that third glass and I was zero to 💯 and for me I would be drunk a lot longer. Alcoholism is huge in my family, why I thought having a few glasses of wine all the time was a good idea, maybe it filled the void. I tried to rationalize it with myself that because I couldn't eat and couldn't smoke anymore that having a few glasses was ok. I've been in therapy for food addiction, he said this isn't really transfer addiction because I didn't really have true food addiction. I guess I'm posting this for anyone who asks about drinking and if you have a history of any addiction or alcoholism in the family I would be cautious of alcohol. I should've known, thought about it more, but now I carry a chip from AA in my pocket everyday. I had a problem binge drinking before surgery, and yes you can be an alcoholic even if you don't drink that much, with me I drank to be buzzed or to get drunk. Im not posting this to be policed about the calories in wine or how it halts weight loss or to be bullied for making a poor choice. I'm posting this in the hopes that someone may read it who may be like me and start drinking a lot, or if someone is in recovery and wants to talk. If you do decide drink, be careful, it stayed in my bloodstream for a long time.
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Confessional - Lets post our cheats/confessions/etc so others can see that we are all human
Neversaynever replied to Matt Z's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
Christmas eve party with the neighbours, sausage rolls (x2) peanuts (protein!) sour cream and chives pretzels and quite a bit of alcohol. To be fair though, I ate very little beforehand and its only the second time I have had alcohol since my sleeve 7 months ago -
Confessional - Lets post our cheats/confessions/etc so others can see that we are all human
AJP replied to Matt Z's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
OK with the holidays I've been nibbling on the cookies. Still losing weight and still tracking numbers. I won't be able to get completely on track until after oldest son bday. Today is youngest. Rumchata cheesecake for him. Jan 4 is next one. Rumchata caramel flan. Avoiding alcohol still (4m postop). So just a bite or two but still a cheat -
What's everyone up to today and tomorrow? Tonight our Xmas eve tradition is about half the family gathers and we have a casual dinner of tamales. Easy and yummy. We are not Mexican, but native Southern Californians, so are doing the cultural appropriation thing. I made individual flans for tonight. We will talk about going to midnight mass, but then never actually go (soo late, long day, early morning ) Tomorrow I head over to my mom's house in the morning. I make a traditional Xmas Nutmeg and Sherry cake for breakfast. We will open presents, listen to Xmas music, have mimosas, eat leftover tamales. Usually my aunt and uncle will be staying at my mom's but this year they aren't coming down, so it will just be the two of us. (I'm my mom's only child). We'll make my mom's assigned side together (Festive Onions, yum!). She doesn't know it yet, but she is going to help me make apple pie. peeling and coring all those apples is a b*tch . It'll be a dutch apple pie, because I don't have the pastry skills @Sosewsue61 has! I made pecan pie this morning. I always do one new dessert. I was going to do individual Zabaglione Tarts, as I fell in love with Zabalione in Rome. But the custard came out pretty wine-y. So I may have to go out and buy more eggs for a redo. I think I will cook the alcohol out of the wine this time. So it'll have the marsala flavor, without the alcohol burn. Then it will be Xmas dinner at my aunt's house. My uncle makes delicious smoked Prime Rib, so that is serious yum. But, can I be petty for a second? I like the traditional sides I serve when I do Prime Rib better, potatoes au gratin, creamed spinach, corn casserole, glazed carrots and most importantly, Yorkshire pudding. There is no Prime Rib without Yorkshire Pudding! I'm not sure what her sides will be, but I know there won't be most of those Ok, everyone else ... spill!
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The person you quoted seemed very.. self-righteous, I guess that's the word? Not very nice, in any case. There's various ways they could have conveyed the same message without sounding so rude. I admit that I don't know much about any other WL support sites, as this is the first one I've come to (and thus far, everyone has been very kind!) I also don't know much about RNY to be honest, as to the restrictions and such, but I know it's a surgery I will never go through with because it does limit you so much in ways that I personally cannot abide by. I have an addictive personality, not to drugs or alcohol (thankfully, but to food, and telling me 'no' makes things really difficult. Not to mention.. We have one life to live. I'm going to enjoy it as much as I can, though going forward, I'm going to *teach* myself how to enjoy it without ending up where I am right now (which is miserable and morbidly obese.) I think what's key is just figuring out what works for you, when it comes to your 'wants' (like alcohol!) Just doing a very quick google search, it *seems* like you can eventually have alcohol again in very small quanitites post-bypass, but that you have to be careful given it can cause various problems. Just check with your doctor, be straight with them, and see what they say. Also sorry that I started rambling.
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Please help me, I have terrible regret RNY
FaithandHope replied to RuthD's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
I can't say that I felt regret. What I did feel was loss, I could not go to my best friend and comforter, food for help anymore for my emotional distress. The first few weeks were the hardest. I also have only told my immediate family. Even thought gastric bypass is more common in the united States there is still a stigma, or people who are quick to judge. I have lived a clean life I rarely drink, I only tried to smoking once, but I found myself addicted to food. I had severe high blood pressure, non alcoholic fatty liver, with cirrhosis of the liver. I was to the point that if I did not do something I was going to die. Some people will look and say but you really were not that big. The problem was my organs were not able to function properly. I was killing myself. Fast forward to today 3 months post op. I feel really good. I am totally off my high blood pressure pill/ water pill. My blood sugar is perfect. I can do more then I have been able to do in years. I have no doubt I will live to see all of my kids get married now, because my liver enzymes are also normal. I still have about 60 pounds to go to my personal goal weight. So what started as what you might call regret I now see as the best thing I could of done for myself and my family. Once you see results and you start to look great in clothing and people start to notice and compliment you, these are the things you will start to be addicted to. It will make you try a little harder to walk that extra mile, or lift weights just a little longer. Let the feel good affects replace the food that is killing us. It does get better, use your tool that you chose to get to give you freedom. Think of it as a gift you have given yourself instead of self mutilation. You have chosen life, give yourself at least a couple months before deciding you made the wrong decision. Think about what you have to look forward to. I am 100% positive you will look back and say. "Man those first few weeks were tough but look at me know I'm living I'm happy,Healthy and a Hottie" All the best ((((((((((HUGS))))))))) -
I drank my face off last month and, not only was my tolerance back where it was pre-surgery, but I actually had the energy to stay out drinking all night. Which is a blessing and a curse. If I wasn’t married, I’d probably have an addiction transference to alcohol. Or sex. Or both.
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I make it "cheaters low carb" all the time. 1 pck SF Vanilla Pudding Fairlife FF Milk or Vanilla Premier according to package instructions. Extra vanilla Freshly grated nutmeg And your favorite alcohol Extra FFF Milk to thin it down to your desired consistency Whipped Cream in a Can (ReddiWhip) You blend it all together and top with whipped cream. You can also pour some of it (sans alcohol) in ice cube trays then use them to blend up in the ninja for ice creamy drinks of the EggNog persuasion. I just got the makings for this yesterday. It's one of Mr. F's yearly treats!
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Conceptually, yes - it’s an unhealthy drink so of course it’s good not to find it appealing anymore. But it’s also a drink I have maybe twice a year (Christmas eve and Boxing Day) and very much enjoy as part of a broader tradition of sitting in front of a fire with family while pine scents the air and the kids are conked out in their pile of toys and we’re all cozy and happy. This single, long-savored glass of nog was going to be my stand-in for gorging on stocking contents and dinner! Is it good? Reviews are mixed - some love it, some don’t. It’s an acquired taste, a sweet, spicy, creamy, alcoholic drink. Thicker than Bailey’s, but that same sort of blend of cream/booze/flavor stuff. It’s so rich that drinking it over a long time is advised. I HATE that I don’t enjoy it anymore!
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For people under 65, prolonged high protein might not be wise
looly replied to Creekimp13's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Well, we're all going to die eventually. We've reduced our risk of early death by tackling our obesity. But I suppose we could cut our risk further by rarely eating meat, not ever drinking alcohol, being celibate, not driving, not living in cities, not experiencing stress, not ever being poor, not crossing roads...you get what I mean I'm sorry - I know I'm being a bit silly and facetious - and I don't want to be disrespectful when you are making a valid point. I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that it's sensible to reduce big risks - like smoking or being very obese - but if we try to cut out minor risks too, we could just end up being miserable. 🙂 -
I have smoked a vape for over 4 years. I totally quit smoking cigarettes for 2 of those and off and on smoke now. But I still vape. I know they have CBD oils that may work. I wouldn't know. I'm in recovery from heroin/drugs/alcohol since 2011. I know I have the thought of a drug is a drug at least for addicts. Even food for me is a drug. I had opiates in the hospital but came home with a non narcotic pain medicine and didn't even take it because I couldn't stomach the taste of ground up pills and it triggered me to crush them. So, I ended up taking only liquid Tylenol which I tried in the hospital and it worked. Since I've been clean and sober, it takes less to help me with pain. I've had 2 C-sections, hysterectomy, gall bladder removal, d & C for cysts, and my wls in the 7 and a half years I've been clean from drugs and all of them I came home without any narcotics and didn't smoke anything but cigarettes or vaped.
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Getting back on track
Healthy_life replied to johnsons13's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
We know when we are self sabotaging. We know what we should be doing. What will it take to get your mind back in the game? IDK seems to be different for each of us. I struggle with my behaviors around food. I have had a gain. I beat myself up and was not where I wanted to be. Getting back on track was work. It's a mental battle. Glad that you are working through things in therapy. What works for me may not work for you.I justified and made excuses for my food choices. I needed a reality check, More like a smack upside the head to force myself to get back to basics. I gave myself perspective : A person with cancer and days to live would gladly trade places for my weight loss struggles. Yes, getting back on track is hard. But, dying from cancer is harder. This can be done. You already overcame addiction/alcohol. Obesity is the next challenge. I wish you the best in finding what works for you. -
I had my surgery about 9 months ago and I have been stalled for the last 2 months. I know that I have been overeating and eating all the wrong things. I know I am stretching my new stomach out and I'm so angry and disappointed in myself. Has anyone else struggled and what did you do to get back on track. The holidays are so hard for me emotionally for a few reasons. I'm a recovering alcoholic/addict and after getting clean and sober 7 years ago I went to using food for comfort (I already had food issues before but they doubled). I have reverted back to my old comfort of eating and yes, I am in therapy.
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What I've Received for Xmas from My Bosses
Hop_Scotch replied to mousecat88's topic in Rants & Raves
So far from my work and/or work colleagues for Christmas: three course christmas dinner with all the alcohol won chocolate hamper at said christmas dinner christmas breakfast lunch bbq bottle of sparkling wine numerous small santa chocs one monster size toblerone $50 gift voucher (the boss) another small gift pack with two type of chocs tomorrow (last working day before Christmas woohoo) I understand we will be having another lunch. Nobody knows I have had an ESG, and surprisingly no one as asked (obviously all too polite) anything about my weight loss. A large number of the things above have been regifted, for the booze and what is left I will be taking Chrstmas day to my family Today I distributed my own gifts: two large panettones to the two people I work closest to choc hazelnut tubey things x 1 2 mini panettones lots of small santa chocs 1 small pack of doggie shaped scotch finger biscuits Christmas, food and treats all go hand in hand unfortunately lol. Thankfully I have had reasonable restraint and am doing well in not woofing down all all the above. Far cry from this time last year in which I would woof down everything include any food gifts I had bought and would need to buy a second lot of them. -
My surgeon Dr Needleman summed it up pretty well ! After your surgery you will become a "Cheap Drunk" , a medicine cup of alcohol will do you,in, so It's really not worth it to you!😷
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I thought it was better to bump an old thread than start a new one? I really did myself in at my office holiday party last night. I know it's too soon for me to be drinking alcohol and it's just empty calories. I thought I couldn't face the prospect of an over four-hour office party without one. I had had one drink at home previously to see how I would react and I had a drink at the party. Both times I didn't get a pleasant buzz but this morning I have a massive hangover. I'm putting the booze back on the shelf for a LONG time. I also ate too much. I was so proud of Thanksgiving and restaurant outings that I felt confident I could just have a little. I had half a jumbo shrimp, which now tastes hella weird to me and gave the rest to my husband. Then a little salad, a couple bites of baked potato, and part of a piece of salmon. It was way too much. I wish I had thrown up last night because it is all still with me and I need to get up, dressed, and go to work feeling stuffed and hungover. I know better than this. This was not worth it.
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I have had to give up drinking all together. It actually is a much better buzz after the surgery as the alcohol gets into the intestine and absorbed much quicker. Unfortunately the hangovers are MUCH worse. I know of at least 2 people that had no issues with alcohol pre sleeve that are now both struggling with alcohol addiction post sleeve. Be careful with whatever you decide on alcohol consumption and remain honest with yourself on the effects.
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My actual plan is just to stay where I am at for the remainder of the holiday season....we only have a few more events and then life will get back to normal. Right after NY, I plan to do at least 2 weeks Atkins induction and then go from there. I do not eat a lot of carbs now but I think for me it is better to keep them pretty low, mostly just good veggies. Lots of water, no alcohol. I have many great recipes that I know we like and it was really pretty easy for me previously. I also need to eliminate snack foods, even healthy ones like nuts because I do not have portion control with stuff like that. And, I just have to learn how to go to some of our musician friends' gigs AND JUST DRINK WATER since they always happen in bars. But, not going is not an option so I need to figure it out. I have no excuse not to exercise since I have everything I need here or within a 1/2 block....Jim just got me to go for a walk and it was nice. I have Tae Bo, Winsor PIlates and the Firm programs all in my closet. It is stupid really because once I do it I am always glad.
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I am so sorry. But let me tell you. Surgery is a tool and you get out of it what you put into it. I am down 120lbs since March 22, 2018. Changed my eating habits, portion sizes, no alcohol and nothing fried. I walk a lot but not exercise in the gym but want to start that to tone up. Prove him wrong! Do it for you and no one else. Be the best you for you! Take care... let him see what he is missing out on
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2 months post op. Down 81 pounds. I tried the insurance route 3 times and all 3 times the ins.co would pull the no bariatric rider at the last minute. I paid out of pocket for mine, $13k. I gave them a check on 10/01 and was on the table 10/15. Dr required 2 visits. One was a “physical” more or less and the other was a sales pitch, the next day he was playing with my innards. 10/15 the day of surgery i was 381, 12/15 I’m 300. do what your dr says and the procedure will work. Water is critical, lots of protein, as few carbs as possible. I try to stay under 1000 calories and 20 carbs a day, and I’m usually able to do that the key is reading labels. Meat has few/no carbs- cook it simply and it’s perfect. Sauces and seasonings are the devil. I use a lot of garlic, salt, pepper and rosemary. And I grill everything beef, bird, fish... everything Dont graze eat. Figure out what you can “hold” and then only put 75% on your plate. i guess I got lucky- I have had ZERO complications post op. No bleeding, no dumping, no major pain, nothing. I went back to work after a week off... I was bored silly sitting at home that week I live and die by my 30oz yeti. I drink 3 cups plus a day. One before lunch, one before dinner, one before bed. Sometime I shoot some MIO or lemon in it. Somedays I have unsweet tea. I’ve been able to keep the soda and alcohol monsters away, but somedays I’d kill for a ginger ale Pouches of tuna and salmon and chicken are easy to carry in the car or work bag. A little thing I do is when I’m on dinner duty, I hit the free sample display at the deli. One cube of meat, one of cheese and I’m half full, keeps me from over indulging with actual dinner for a sweet treat, sugar free popcicles are just sweet enough to do the trick. Atkins has some good low carb/high protein bars. One thing I learned is the more you pay, the better they are. Exercise is difficult for me due to the nature of my work- I’m on a seagoing tugboat 9 months a year. So the whole boat is my gym- everything is 100 pounds or more, it’s difficult to get the cardio in though- you can walk only so many laps around my 150’ steel island.
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Sophomoreville - A Home For The the Tweeners
Orchids&Dragons replied to FluffyChix's topic in The Lounge
By popular demand, re-posting this here: I am under orders to NOT take: iron, Vitamin D, or Calcium. I see the kidney doc again after Christmas. All my orders will probably change. Details: Iron - probably have hereditary hemochromatosis, which means that your body doesn't release extra iron through urine, it stores it in your organs (kidneys, liver, etc.). By the time they diagnosed my brother, he was already in kidney failure and had advanced cirrhosis of the liver. His iron levels were something like 400x normal. Only treatment is bleeding out the over-iron enriched blood. They took a pint/week for months to get him down to normal levels. His kidneys improved, but his liver is very damaged. After he was diagnosed, we realized that this is probably what my dad died from. It can cause all the issues that they diagnosed, but they didn't recognize the cause. He had an enlarged heart and cirrhosis. Doctor would not believe that he was not an alcoholic. We're not positive that I have it and I don't want to do the genetic testing because I am a regular blood donor. (It's really good blood, lots of iron and doesn't hurt the recipient). But if you've been diagnosed with a blood disorder, they have to throw it out. My doctor says that since bleeding is the only treatment, I'm basically self-treating and don't need to be tested so long as I donate blood. My iron levels always test at the high end of the men's range even though I eat almost no red meat and don't take iron supplements. I used to donate double-reds all the time (unusual for a woman to be able to) but now I have to do whole blood because recipients had bad reactions to double-reds from type A donors who'd had many children. Apparently, with each pregnancy, your body builds antibodies and these can affect blood recipients. Vitamin D & Calcium: My blood calcium levels are elevated and they don't know why. Usually, it's caused by a tumor on your parathyroid gland, but I've been checked and that's not it. Again, this is another mineral that should be passed out through urine, but for some reason, I appear to be hoarding. Sorry for the novel (but you asked for it!) -
That's a crappy thing to do and I hope I don't feel that way after losing more weight. If you ate yourself up to a weight high enough to qualify for WLS you have no right to judge, even if you were able to get help. Obesity is an illness. Compulsive overeating is a an illness just like alcoholism. Surgery is a treatment, and we were lucky enough to be able to have it.
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Still considering- have some questions
DanceSmartly replied to jenniferinfl's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Hey Jenniferinfl, I am nearly 4 years out from WLS, have been successfully maintaining my weight loss, and I enjoy all fruits and vegetables. Although I've also seen many references to the low-carb post-surgery diets that you're talking about and have no doubt they work for some people, I'm not one of them. I eat all the fruits and veggies I want; my bargain with the carb deities is that I don't eat white sugar or white flour. I eat a cup of fresh berries or grapes or pineapple for breakfast every day, plus one large apple or banana for my afternoon snack. I definitely struggled with both apples and bananas during the first year after WLS, and I still find both very filling. At this point, I eat pretty much just fresh and whole fruits, but you will probably find that canned and pureed fruits or smoothies are much kinder to a new sleeve (though managing simultaneous sugar intake can be challenging) . I don't remember berries being overly difficult, so those might work for you. I eat at least two servings of cooked veggies with lunch and another two servings of cooked veggies with supper. I still find potatoes, corn and broccoli extremely filling; I can eat maybe 3 baby potatoes or 1/6 of a medium-sized baked potato or 1/4 cup corn or 4 broccoli florets as part of a meal. As you've noted, most bariatric diets recommend steering clear of starchy veggies after surgery anyway; the good news is that won't be too difficult if your sleeve is anything like mine! I have no trouble eating 2 servings of other cooked veggies (including stalky ones like asparagus) as part of a meal. Raw veggies are a bit of a different story. I couldn't eat raw cauliflower or broccoli florets or raw carrot sticks at all for a LOOOOOO-NG time. Now I can manage a floret or stick or two, maybe a bit more if I really spread them out. On the other hand, raw salad vegetables (lettuce, kale, cucumber, celery, sweet peppers, tomatoes, avocados, green onions, etc) are no problem. I can eat a full plate of salad (actually, salad is the only full plate of food I can eat even at my stage). Unfortunately, salad was also difficult for me in the first 6 months post-WLS; I just gave up on raw veggies altogether for quite a while. I never drank coffee or alcohol, so am no help to you there. -
Still considering- have some questions
jenniferinfl replied to jenniferinfl's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Thank you all for the information. I had seen some sites say no coffee ever, no alcohol ever and no fruit/ few veggies. That was really holding me back from wanting to do weight loss surgery. Went out and picked up a nutri ninja this evening. Used to do kale/spinach smoothies regularly, but, blender broke and I never replaced it. Might be good to be in the habit of using it since it looks like the first several weeks are very limited from a textural point of view. Still haven't decided if I'm doing it after this tax return or waiting for next year's tax return. -
How long until you feel like yourself again?
Sarah M. replied to b_co's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Am really sorry it turned that way with you, actually nausea is no jock but try smelling some alcohol swab might help you, it helped me A LOT, and to me it didn't last for more than 3 days, waking is so good for the gas, try to open up your appetite with teeny tiny super small sips, increase gradually, all the best in your journey [emoji123] Sent from my SM-N950F using BariatricPal mobile app
