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I know my message is long, but please read it. I need help!!
Lola4rmKona replied to I AM NOT MY SIZE's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Hang in there. I also had wine issues and yes it will halt your weightloss for a while. Every time I stop, the scale starts moving and that feeling of seeing the scale move again is amazing and motivating. Please seek therapy right away or maybe even just an AA class to get started. I was warned against alcohol as a substitute for food after surgery. I did not take seriously as I was always on control of my wine. For some reason, it escalated after surgery and took a lot of mindfulness to stay away. I am sorry for the loss of your family. I understand completely, I lost my mum 3 days before surgery. I would like to think they would want us to do better and take control our progress and do all we can to continue. Understanding the process it took to get this far, make changes now. Start with putting away the wine which I know is easier said than done, reach out to a local wls support group as meeting others in similar situations help when done on person, most importantly you are your greatest motivator. What do you hope to accomplish with this surgery and what are you doing to be accountable? Also, best food tracking tool to be accountable in regards to food is myfitnesspal app. You log everything you need thereby knowing exactly what you put into your mouth. It counts calorie intake, water intake, fat content, etc. Please start there for diet setbacks. Good luck! Sent from my SM-N950U using BariatricPal mobile app -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
My Bariatric Life replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
Well Connie, it looks like you disrupted the masses. It would be much easier to post an article telling people what they want to hear. Congrats on doing the right thing by telling us the Truth instead. More than a decade ago when I had my gastric bypass surgery, patients were led to believe that they'd be normal weight, if not thin, after weight loss surgery. I guess that falls under the realm of education and awareness that you speak of in your article. We all know what a lie that is today. As for me, I don't drink alcohol anymore. That includes beer and wine. I haven't for years. I also don't eat processed foods, smoke cigarettes (never have), or watch TV either. It is a lifestyle. You're either in or you're out. There's no dipping your toe in the Water. Choose health or choose anti-health. More than a decade ago, I was a processed food junkie and couch potato on ~10 prescription medications for obesity-related illnesses. In 2003 I made a decision to chose health. Had I not done so, I would not be alive today. Today I choose health. Today I choose life. Today I choose me. Here is My Story of reclaiming my life. Climbing down from my soap box now... -
I'm six weeks out and have really only had one bad food reaction: I went to McDonalds with my kids for breakfast one day and ate just a sausage patty... and OHHHHH my body was not happy with that! It must have been too greasy for me. Honestly though other than that I have had no intolerances. As long as I eat slowly and chew well, everything I eat goes down, stays down, and is tolerated well. There's stuff I choose not to eat though. Carbonated drinks, of course, are an automatic no. Foods I know have triggered binge eating in the past. I still haven't tried alcohol and am not sure when I will. But then, this is what I'd hoped for myself: that I wouldn't be restricted by a bunch of food intolerances and nasty reactions, but instead that I could use my surgery as a tool to even the playing ground for losing weight and otherwise relying on my willpower and knowledge to actively make good choices vs. my digestive system making them for me. More freedom, but more responsibility too.
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Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
VSGAnn2014 replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
There's a "governing body of WLS"? A governing body? Really? You do realize, don't you, that bariatric surgeons don't even agree about whether a sleeve stretches post-op. This business about "alcohol is a toxin" is such a broad-brush assertion -- since toxicity of a substance (including drugs) is dependent on dosage. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
OKCPirate replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
But if you are going to talk about alcohol, you have to include the best political speech of all time and the best on the subject: Read it here: http://www.rdrop.com/users/jimka/whisky.html John Grisham reads it for you here: -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
slvarltx replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
Wow a mature discussion without anyone getting nasty! I concur with @@OKCPirate says about the term "toxin". At certain doses virtually anything can be termed a "toxin". In fact, there is a vast database supporting the fact that there is a therapeutic dosage of alcohol between 1-2 drinks per day that significantly extend lifespan. Being honest, I don't normally stop at 1-2 drinks, nor do I want to drink everyday. Weirdly enough, post surgery, I enjoy stout and porter beers that are bubbly due to nitrogen rather than carbon dioxide. Yesterday being a beautiful sunny day, and I had already been to the gym, and done all of my outdoor chores, I drank 4 guiness nitro cans in my hot tub while reading a magazine and soaking up the sun. Enjoyed the heck out of it. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Connie Stapleton PhD replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@Christinamo7 Given that alcohol is a toxin, then it's not a "wise" thing for anyone to do, really! But I'm not saying anything about no one, WLS patient or not, EVER having alcohol. Every person is individually responsible for whatever they put into their bodies. My message is not about judging those who drink or smoke or whatever... My message is about a governing body taking a more clear stance in their RECOMMENDATION. Please remember that my comments are specifically related to the bariatric professionals who are the "leaders of the pack." My position is that this governing body needs to have a more definite RECOMMENDATION, based on the fact that alcohol is a toxin that can have deleterious effects on the absorption of essential nutrients, in addition to other possible negative effects. A recommendation is different than a "thou shalt not." Thank you for sharing your thoughts. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Judith Meeks-Hakim replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
This is great information, I drink once or twice a year and since my drinking alcohol is very low for a year; I can do without it! Hey way to go Judith! Thanks SweetPeas -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
chrystine replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
It's not worth it, it really isn't. I have read a lot about alcohol abuse after surgery. Our body's can't handle it and it goes through our system very quickly. We would need more to get the same affect. Why trade one addiction for another? Where I work a woman was fired after WLS because she became an alcoholic; she actually came to work under the influence. I am going to France and would love to sample some wine while I am there but it won't be worth it (I will have a dessert or two though...also a no-no but no DUI) -
Usually, I'm pretty even keeled, even on the Internet, but some questions...
SoulGlo replied to no onions's topic in Rants & Raves
Exactly. I don't think a lot of times these forum veterans and other judgmental posters realise that their hostile approaches to questions deemed as 'stupid' may be putting off others members from seeking needed advice for very valid and pertinent questions. I find it slightly odd that some forum members are yet to figure out that not all things are created equally especially in terms of the realm of surgery/ medicine and medical programmes. Some folks are berating others for knowing about guidelines about alcohol post surgery but just to illustrate my point about all clinics not being made equal or to the same standards, my bariatric programme/clinicians haven't stated much about alcohol post op apart from a nurse saying that i should bear in mind that if I drink, I would now be intoxicated faster and from smaller amounts'. Nothing about damage to the pouch, empty calories or cross addiction. -
Usually, I'm pretty even keeled, even on the Internet, but some questions...
SoulGlo replied to no onions's topic in Rants & Raves
Exactly. I don't think a lot of times these forum veterans and other judgmental posters realise that their hostile approaches to questions deemed as 'stupid' may be putting off others members from seeking needed advice for very valid and pertinent questions. I find it slightly odd that some forum members are yet to figure out that not all things are created equally especially in terms of the realm of surgery/ medicine and medical programmes. Some folks are berating others for knowing about guidelines about alcohol post surgery but just to illustrate my point about all clinics not being made equal or to the same standards, my bariatric programme/clinicians haven't stated much about alcohol post op apart from a nurse saying that i should bear in mind that if I drink, I would now be intoxicated faster and from smaller amounts'. Nothing about damage to the pouch, empty calories or cross addiction. I think its more of the posts that say stuff like, "I know I'm not supposed to drink, but I'm doing it anyway at 2 weeks post op.. " and there are quite a few like that.. But I agree.. I agree with you too, those kinds of threads are understandably annoying and I don't think the OPs realise they are kicking a hornets' nest when posting them. But there has to be something said for people who continued to engage them despite being extremely irritated by these questions. In my subjective view, I feel some posters secretly relish having an opportunity to go at the Ops of these kinds of questions but that's just my opinion -
Usually, I'm pretty even keeled, even on the Internet, but some questions...
IcanMakeit replied to no onions's topic in Rants & Raves
I really empathize with the "when can I have a drink" posts. Even though I have always been a very infrequent and light drinker, I backed out of getting the lap band about 10 years ago, mostly because they told me I could never have alcohol again. Since then, most surgeons have moderated that recommendation, but the 7 months that I waited before trying a few sips of champagne did seem pretty long to me. I associate wine drinking with fine dining and enjoyment of great company. I'm very glad that (in maintenance) it's allowed as an occasional treat. -
Anxiety post surgery anyone?
JustWatchMe replied to aries477's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Please do get help with this. And beware, it is easy to turn to alcohol during this time. I myself had to give it up completely. I practice deep breathing and I see a therapist for my divorce. Life is very stressful and without my old comfort, food, I don't want to turn to anything else dangerous. Take care and keep posting. -
I am 2 weeks out from surgery and am wondering when and if I can have a cup of coffee in the morning and perhaps an adult beverage? The nutrionist said you can't have an adult beverage for at least 18 months. Did anyone else hear this? I miss my coffee. Thanks!
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my surgeon said no coffee no alcohol after surgery !! that's it i had de-caffeinated 2 weeks post op it went well but tasted bad i started coffee again 2 months post op, since i just need it otherwise id sleep all day i think am fine ,, just have to drink more Water
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I know my message is long, but please read it. I need help!!
GreenTealael replied to I AM NOT MY SIZE's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
That's why there are nearly universal rules set up. Portion size (1/4 cup- 1/2 cup servings) and time limits (only eating within a 30 min window) as fail safes for when the sleeve does not prompt you to stop. How are you with those things? If you have materials from the start of the journey go through those and see what you can start to reintroduce while you wait for testing and results. Alcohol has a lot of calories. Since you may never feel any restrictions from liquids you can introduce a lot more calories into your diet than you can metabolize effectively eating (or drinking) around the surgery. But the test will confirm all things. -
this may start a riot.
cindymaried replied to cindymaried's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Oh and the straw thing.. I was able to use one 6 weeks out. Dr says you get just as much air drinking straight from a bottle. It will not expand your stomach. I haven't bothered asking about carbonation because I know I don't need soda and beer. And alcohol he says just be careful and its empty calories.. but I don't drink either. I barely did before surgery. -
I know my message is long, but please read it. I need help!!
johnsons13 replied to I AM NOT MY SIZE's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I have been clean and sober 7 years. I am active in aa and my home group is actually an online group. So for any women that has drinking our drug issues and need advice or want to talk, message me. I'll give you my number and we can talk. Men too, I can help guide you to a feeling make in this area. I always say I'm a "true addict". I take anything and make it unhealthy; cutting, sex, drugs, alcohol, and especially food. I'm not trying to make my message a public service announcement, but I want those struggling with other unhealthy coping mechanisms to know that they're not alone.- 44 replies
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I know my message is long, but please read it. I need help!!
FluffyChix replied to I AM NOT MY SIZE's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Honestly...you've answered your own question about "why" you haven't lost more. I promise you I know that adding in the wine will dead cold stop you in your tracks and derail you--and if it's true transference/alcoholism--can and will kill you after contributing to massive regain. Please get help?!!! Please. We can't provide the kind of help you need--an addiction specialist and someone very well-versed with bariatrics and food addiction as well. I'm so sorry about your mom and sis. And sorry your doc is an asshat!! -
I don't think there are a lot more people with regrets. I think they are speaking up more because one got the nerve to really speak out. And we don't hear from the ones that have regained all their weight or never got remotely close to goal and quit coming here. IMO, those with regrets should speak out so others have an idea of issues they may need to work on pre-op or post-op. When I first starting reading VST, Tiffy-kins was on here all the time. She had a terrible post-op experience, with a leak and having to get rid of her gallbladder, but I saw she got over those things and I thought, well if that happens to me, I can get over it too. I also read threads about people not getting to goal and those that did get to goal so I knew what I had to do if I wanted to get to goal and stay there. And I read the threads about people who became addicted to alcohol or drugs. After I started drinking again when I got close to goal, I set a limit on how often and how much I drink to avoid those issues. I think we all have issues with food or we wouldn't have got overweight to start with. And it's important to work on those issues because no matter how tight the restriction, at some point in the future, enough capacity for weight regain will return. Of course, that's just my opinion. Your mileage may vary. Lynda
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I dont know if this is the right answer, but for me, looking back at my food logs, on average, my diet ends up being 1/3 fat, 1/3 protein, 1/3 carbs. Its pretty even. That seems to work okay for me. Two weekends ago I no carbed it for 2 days (I was trying to break through a plateau) and on those days, it was roughly 47% percent protein, 48% fat, 5% carbs. You should check out fitday.com to log your food. When you log your food, fitday creates a pie chart for your day showing percentage of fat carbs and protein (and also alcohol but I dont really drink alcohol so thats never a factor for me). They also have pie graphs for all individual foods (incuding foods that you custom enter) and you can also see pie graphs for longer lengths of time (like 1 month or 6 months...so you can so your overall trend). Its great, especially for monitoring your protein intake. If you're aiming for a certain number (say 65g of protein a day), it makes it really easy to track that. I log my food (literally everything single thing that goes in my mouth) on fitday and its been absolutely invaluable. When I don't log, I dont do as well. You can also track your exercise on there as well.
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New Lap-Bandee - Welcomes Guidance
gowalking replied to SBennette38's topic in Tell Your Weight Loss Surgery Story
as far as alcohol goes...I stay away from drinks with high calorie additives and also anything carbonated. So..it's mostly wine I drink. I do so sparingly for the most part and this works for me...but I didn't really start drinking wine till I was around six months or so post WLS. -
Marchies in Nov. (The Month of The Turkey)
OH Juli replied to Jeni 85's topic in LAP-BAND Surgery Forums
Janine-Golly, don't apologize for being "Chatty!" You've made a good point about being reenergized with the first of the year. It's true. It's like a fresh start, a time to look at things a new. I'll support everyone for not beating themselves up and I'll start with me. I had a super "bready" weekend. And while it was delicious, it was not what I needed to be eating to get to the goal I want. I'll just let the guilt go. As for wine or other alcohol, hehehe, yeah it's a quicker buzz so it takes much less. But it's not like you'll act any differently than you did before you had the band. So if you were one to get up on the tables and dance before you still will! LOL! Happy Tuesday everyone! -
I need help I can drink a whole bottle of wine
msreaina replied to thatgirl's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I am not a expert so I do not know how bad you are destroying your sleeve but alcohol has a lot of calories in it especially beer. Your already lacking and missing certain nutrients and substituting a meal for alcohol will not help you at all. I am sure we all have had a glass of wine or here and there but an entire bottle it a bit much. How long has it been since you were sleeved? Not sure if you feel you have to drink but if you do feel that way you may want to consider talking to a counselor about it because you could be jeopardizing your health. -
'twas The Night Before my Sleeve Plication Surgery
Linda E replied to Linda E's topic in Gastric Plication Surgery Forum
On my two month anniversary I wanted to give an update and share some of my experiences. Month 2 was very different than month one. The lesson I learned was that if I want this journey to result in weight loss, I'm going to have to DIET. I might have secretly hoped that this surgery was magical and that the gastric plication gods would bestow upon me a brand new body in a matter of weeks but I knew better. The first month was easy weight loss as i couldn't get over 700 calories a day while only drinking or eating soft food. After 6 weeks I could eat more regular food. The surgeon told me that I would only be able to eat 2-4 oz at a time and he was right. I do feel hungry every 2-3 hours and that requires more calories. I was stuck at 213 for about two weeks so I decided to track my calories with the myfitnesspal app. OMG, mystery solved, I was eating/drinking 1600+ calories a day and more (who knew alcohol was 70 cal an ounce and protein bars can be 300 cal each). When you eat small amounts, they can add up! I moved the scale down 5.5# within 5 days by making better choices and staying under 1200 calories. Do I feel restricted? YES. Do I feel deprived? NO. Do people I eat with know I'm different? NO. Do I feel normal? YES. Do I miss my old stuff-your-face lifestyle? NO. Do I exercise? NO. Would I do it again? ABSOLUTELY! I can eat everything but to give you an example of restriction, I can only eat 1/2 to 3/4 of a lean cuisine entree, depending on the density but I can eat almost a whole can of clam chowder soup. I can only eat 3 pieces of a sushi roll and if I wait 20 minutes I can eat a fourth. I can drink as much as I want (just not with food) and a half bottle of water will take away my hunger for 30-45 minutes, sometimes more. When I feel really, really hungry, it usually means I need to burp. 5 hours without food is my limit, so I have to plan accordingly. Watching other people eat large quantities of food does not make me wish for my old stomach back, it makes me ill. So, grand total I've lost 42 pounds, 22 since the surgery two months ago. For me, the plication allows me to DIET comfortably. In the past 1200 calories would have been serious deprivation, today, 1200 calories is comfortable. They say you shouldn't diet, you should make a lifestyle change. I feel this surgery allowed me to make a lasting lifestyle change.
