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Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
My Bariatric Life replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
Well Connie, it looks like you disrupted the masses. It would be much easier to post an article telling people what they want to hear. Congrats on doing the right thing by telling us the Truth instead. More than a decade ago when I had my gastric bypass surgery, patients were led to believe that they'd be normal weight, if not thin, after weight loss surgery. I guess that falls under the realm of education and awareness that you speak of in your article. We all know what a lie that is today. As for me, I don't drink alcohol anymore. That includes beer and wine. I haven't for years. I also don't eat processed foods, smoke cigarettes (never have), or watch TV either. It is a lifestyle. You're either in or you're out. There's no dipping your toe in the Water. Choose health or choose anti-health. More than a decade ago, I was a processed food junkie and couch potato on ~10 prescription medications for obesity-related illnesses. In 2003 I made a decision to chose health. Had I not done so, I would not be alive today. Today I choose health. Today I choose life. Today I choose me. Here is My Story of reclaiming my life. Climbing down from my soap box now... -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Connie Stapleton PhD replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@Christinamo7 Given that alcohol is a toxin, then it's not a "wise" thing for anyone to do, really! But I'm not saying anything about no one, WLS patient or not, EVER having alcohol. Every person is individually responsible for whatever they put into their bodies. My message is not about judging those who drink or smoke or whatever... My message is about a governing body taking a more clear stance in their RECOMMENDATION. Please remember that my comments are specifically related to the bariatric professionals who are the "leaders of the pack." My position is that this governing body needs to have a more definite RECOMMENDATION, based on the fact that alcohol is a toxin that can have deleterious effects on the absorption of essential nutrients, in addition to other possible negative effects. A recommendation is different than a "thou shalt not." Thank you for sharing your thoughts. -
First of all, congratulations on getting the band. This is a life saving and changing part of your life. I too, would have turned into my mother with heart problems, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and everything else that my mom had later in life. I chose the band to get the weight off safely and slowly. I am almost 3 years out at goal and never had one single fill. I do have days I can eat chicken and then again can't eat chicken, depending on my band. It is very fickle, I never know for sure what I can eat and not eat. I do get stuck but it is my fault from eating too big of a piece or not chewing enough and eating too fast. I still occasionally go back to my old ways of eating like the house is on fire, but I keep it in mind, especially when I get stuck and it is a constant reminder to me. You will do fine, I lost 90 pds and am in size 10 from my size 22's, I am on NO medication and feel like a youngster again, I am 58 years old. Good luck and keep in mind that slow is better, it is going to take time to train yourself for eating properly. I still battle head hunger every now and then but I do believe this is a lot like alcoholism, it never goes away, it is always there and you need to keep it in check one day at a time. You have to eat every day and that is what makes it so hard. Have a wonderful day of your new life with the band.
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Calling March Sleevers
AskingForAFriend replied to AskingForAFriend's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Hi kakatalady612 thank you for responding! I have not given up coffee but I have given up alcohol and sugary carbs and potato chips...pretty much most of the things that got me to this point. I just had a "Boost" protein drink for lunch. I hope you get your date soon, I feel like the only weirdo getting sleeved in March. I work for a University so I had to shoot for spring break to take two weeks off. I hope to lose a little weight before surgery as well, that would be nice. My husband takes all of that Omeprazole stuff, if he doesn't his stomach goes CRAZY. I hope to have us both eating much healthier after my surgery. -
Revision from mini to roux-en-y
MarinaGirl replied to Lashes1984's topic in Revision Weight Loss Surgery Forums (NEW!)
Hard to say. But if you’re eating well (no sugar, processed food, simple carbs, liquid calories, or alcohol) and not overeating, you should be able to lose more weight if that is your goal. Good luck! -
I just want to say for the record to anyone who will listen that I, at age 37, had TOTALLY OVER did it back in June. (I'm still pre sleeve). I swear I haven't been that sick since high school. I swore off drinking alcohol. It was over a month later when I tried again. Mainly to tell my brain that I'm overreacting. I wasnt. Lesson: pre sleevers go on a big bender and develop an aversion. Worked for me :)
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No food bothers me and since I already tried it same with alcohol. I sort of wish it did. Now I couldn't drink it down like I normally would but still burn free.
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I was going to type "I woke up this morning thinking..." But, no. I woke up this morning to a giant thunderstorm after two hours of sleep, angry at the world. I drove an hour to work in the driving rain and had to stop and scramble for doctor-approved protein shakes at the grocery store so I could eat ("eat") at work. When I got to work fifty loud teenagers were babbling in the breakfast hall, three people needed transportation, and so on. So it was only after I finally got to run back, sit in my office and turn on some ridiculous cheesy "meditation" piano music that I cleared my head and I thought: Today is the last day I have my whole, I-got-born-with-it stomach. And that's cool by me. Goodbye, 75% of my stomach. We've had some okay times, particularly downing way more alcohol than we ever should have in the 18-21 years and getting stuffed full of all kinds of delicious things that were probably mostly butter and sugar painted to look like something edible. I'd say it's been a good run, but actually, now wearing clothes bums me out and my leg joints hurt a lot. So I think it's time we part ways. Goodbye, regular stomach; I'm trading you in for a bionic model. Helloooo, staple line~
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Usually, I'm pretty even keeled, even on the Internet, but some questions...
SoulGlo replied to no onions's topic in Rants & Raves
Exactly. I don't think a lot of times these forum veterans and other judgmental posters realise that their hostile approaches to questions deemed as 'stupid' may be putting off others members from seeking needed advice for very valid and pertinent questions. I find it slightly odd that some forum members are yet to figure out that not all things are created equally especially in terms of the realm of surgery/ medicine and medical programmes. Some folks are berating others for knowing about guidelines about alcohol post surgery but just to illustrate my point about all clinics not being made equal or to the same standards, my bariatric programme/clinicians haven't stated much about alcohol post op apart from a nurse saying that i should bear in mind that if I drink, I would now be intoxicated faster and from smaller amounts'. Nothing about damage to the pouch, empty calories or cross addiction. I think its more of the posts that say stuff like, "I know I'm not supposed to drink, but I'm doing it anyway at 2 weeks post op.. " and there are quite a few like that.. But I agree.. I agree with you too, those kinds of threads are understandably annoying and I don't think the OPs realise they are kicking a hornets' nest when posting them. But there has to be something said for people who continued to engage them despite being extremely irritated by these questions. In my subjective view, I feel some posters secretly relish having an opportunity to go at the Ops of these kinds of questions but that's just my opinion -
Usually, I'm pretty even keeled, even on the Internet, but some questions...
terrydumont46 replied to no onions's topic in Rants & Raves
when I was still in the hospital after my banding the nurse told me about a man who had had a gastric bypass. on his way home after discharge stopped by mcdonalds and had a quarter pounder and fries. he was back in the hospital and had to have repair done. some ppl never learn. I too hate the drinking questions. we give up soda's why wouldn't we give up alcohol especially the first year. I have a flat head from hitting it after reading some posts -
Usually, I'm pretty even keeled, even on the Internet, but some questions...
SoulGlo replied to no onions's topic in Rants & Raves
Exactly. I don't think a lot of times these forum veterans and other judgmental posters realise that their hostile approaches to questions deemed as 'stupid' may be putting off others members from seeking needed advice for very valid and pertinent questions. I find it slightly odd that some forum members are yet to figure out that not all things are created equally especially in terms of the realm of surgery/ medicine and medical programmes. Some folks are berating others for knowing about guidelines about alcohol post surgery but just to illustrate my point about all clinics not being made equal or to the same standards, my bariatric programme/clinicians haven't stated much about alcohol post op apart from a nurse saying that i should bear in mind that if I drink, I would now be intoxicated faster and from smaller amounts'. Nothing about damage to the pouch, empty calories or cross addiction. -
Usually, I'm pretty even keeled, even on the Internet, but some questions...
IcanMakeit replied to no onions's topic in Rants & Raves
I really empathize with the "when can I have a drink" posts. Even though I have always been a very infrequent and light drinker, I backed out of getting the lap band about 10 years ago, mostly because they told me I could never have alcohol again. Since then, most surgeons have moderated that recommendation, but the 7 months that I waited before trying a few sips of champagne did seem pretty long to me. I associate wine drinking with fine dining and enjoyment of great company. I'm very glad that (in maintenance) it's allowed as an occasional treat. -
A minister decided that a visual demonstration would add emphasis to his Sunday sermon. Four worms were placed into four separate jars. The first worm was put into a container of alcohol. The second worm was put into a container of cigarette smoke. The third worm was put into a container of chocolate syrup. The fourth worm was put into a container of good clean soil. At the conclusion of the sermon, the Minister reported the following results: The first worm in alcohol - Dead. The second worm in cigarette smoke - Dead. Third worm in chocolate syrup - Dead. Fourth worm in good clean soil - Alive. So the Minister asked the congregation - What can you learn from this demonstration? A little eldery woman in the back quickly raised her hand and said, "As long as you drink, smoke and eat chocolate, you won't have worms!"
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Thinking Of Having The Sleeve Done , But Im Scared Any Words Of Wisdom ?
Arts137 replied to luv2plumb's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Lady D -- alcohol may be a no-no for the first 6 months after sleeve or bypass. SOME programs are less strict. I do NOT know about the band, so I can't comment. A second concern is "transferring" a food addiction to an alcohol addiction... And that is a concern with ALL weight loss!!! And I LOVE wine -- I have a substantial wine collection. At 6 months "T'Giving" I has two glasses of nice wine and at Christmas I will again, but I have work to do, and a lot of alcohol is not on my plan. -
Wine? Anyone tried glass after an amount of time
thinnerdaysahead replied to sunshiinej1's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
My doctor said no alcohol ever - he said with the sleeve sx, alcohol is very corrosive to the new surgical line and could lead to ulcers if not leaks. -
Going to Daytona Beach in November and will be wearing a skimpy suit!
Ollie123 commented on Ollie123's blog entry in Blog 36634
I just confirmed a week's vacation with my hubby, son and daughter to spend Thanksgiving on the beach this year. This will be unusual for me as I usually host the big family dinner with 30 plus people and enough food to feed 60 which results in a 4 day feeding frenzy. I'm glad we're doing something a little less traditional this year as I hope to break some of my Holiday habits...gaining 5-10 pounds. What do I plan to do in Daytona? Swim, walk the beach, ride bicyles, dancing at night clubs, Christmas shopping, anything that requires me to be active. My goal will be to burn off any daily calories that are not necessary (ice cream, alcohol) and continure to lose weight while I'm there. I have approximately 130 days to get my body ready for a skimpy swimsuit. Will I be a size 8? No.... But I'll look damn good in a size 12! :thumbup: P.S. I have officially walked 100 miles since the first week in June and have ridden 48 miles on my bike. I feel so much stronger than I did 2 months ago. -
I guess we are like former Alcoholic's, if you've ever been around them you will know what I mean. They are fanatical because they know the hell they have been through, and if by being overt about alcoholism can possible help someone realize they have a problem,then they feel it's a victory. I think when we've "crossed over" from MO to normal by the lapband or other WLS we want to spare others the pain we went through and sometimes it just comes out the wrong way, not meaning to Hurt that person but wanting them to know that it can be done....but how many have the opportunity to get the WLS, some may never be able to afford or because of other medical problems be qualified...therefore, exercise in caution before we act is what is needed. I too, share this same problem as everyone else. I just had a photo taken of me and I was disgusted at the sight of myself, the camera NEVER LIES!!!! I think we start looking at ourselves from the neck up, forgetting how we look. I can honestly say, I dont remember a time I really looked at the full mirror and when I do I about die! It's easy to "fog" the image of ourselves, to forget we too are that big and that others look at us as we look at others. I am having my surgery in Jan, and I will be taking photos of myself in different outfits, with friends/family to make a book to never forget. Although, I hope to lose enough weight to become healthy, I will always be MO in my mind...too many years of being obese is up in there stored away, but I will take that mindset and focus on helping others reach their goal whether through WLS or diet and exercise. Try being on a campus where you are 1 of 20 MO people, on the ENTIRE CAMPUS!!!! It's a real eye opener! I along with some friends look to reviving a group on campus that has WLS patients, but I also want to invite those wanting to lose weight without surgery...I feel if nothing else we can share compassion towards each other's plight! I think the best thing to help people is to let them know you are in the same boat with them, and when they get tired of rowing you'll be there to lend a hand. I never want to forget who I was prior to the surgery, that I have struggled against many obstacles...too many to begin, but it's who I am inside that counts weight loss or no weight loss. I hate my weight but not myself!
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Since I have lost weight I am always cold. I was always the hot one. I seem to never get warm anymore. I wear a mink jacket when it gets below 40. Yes, I wear fur and eat meat. Maybe my husband is right, time to move down south. But then my grandchildren will be in MA and I don't think I could ever leave them. I find myself drinking hot tea all day and that isn't working either. Yesterday my husband and I went for our annual dermatology checkups. I was told to never use toner again. It either has alcohol or acetone in them. Never knew that after using them for over 40 years. The doctor did say rentol (excuse spelling) is very good for wrinkles. I bought CVS brand on sale. I am on the vein side but you wouldn't know that by me being so over weight for so long. I use to go to Cape Cod to a resort and the resident comic was gay and extremely large and made fun of decorating his large body. From the first time I heard him say that, I started dressing much better. It took a fat man to tell me that fat doesn't have to dress bad. Thanks for listening to me. Have a great Thursday. Time to go food shopping-how fun? Not.
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Down 111lbs & feeling great!
ste_fun_ny replied to ste_fun_ny's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Thanks everyone!!! It's hard to say if I stall often because I stay away from the scale!!! At the beginning I would weigh myself every day morning and night but then I started getting obsessed so I had to stop. Now I weigh myself maybe once or twice a month. But I can really tell in my clothes I bought a size 18 pair of jeans the day before I left to new York and today those jeans are too big on me. My advise to you is work out everyday atleast 45 minutes of cardio eat only food that had nutritional value for your body (lean meats, veggies, fruits) stay away from sugar (except natural sugars like fruit) I don't drink sodas or alcohol I don't eat candy (my favorite) and when I eat I serve myself on a child plate. Sometimes I over serve myself on that child plate but I eat slow and before you know it I'm full and have to throw away food because I can't eat it. So make sure you are paying attention to your serving size. Bad habits are sometimes hard to break but it gets easier just have Yup find away to make it fun for you. Good luck everyone and happy losing!!!!! -
NO, NO, NO!!! Alcohol directly effects the liver and if it is the liver that is to be prepared for surgery then....well you know. You wanna make sure your body is in the best possible shape for surgery. It's important to take it seriously.
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Is Sugar free chocolates Ok for Pre-op????
faithmd replied to missy's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
The biggest issues with tthe pre-op diet is clearing the liver of fat. While they may be "sugar free" (though they are full of sugar alcohols which in many people increase their, ummmmm, stooling), I would doubt they are fat free. Read the saturated fat content and make your decision based on that. Are you talking a few pieces meaning one of those little bags with about five small pieces in it, or are you talking a few pieces meaning a few whole candy bars? -
Hi, Through the help of AA meetings and the 12 step program I have been in recovery from alcoholism for the past 4 years. Since giving up alcohol, cigarettes and other mind altering substances my weight has sored which has led me to getting banded. I am getting banded on 21st May and I am worried that it the surgery might not be enough. I am worred that my eating habits are more psychological than through hunger. Does anyone have any advice they can give me? Will banding be enough to overcome this? Thanks Anne xx
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I believe the original poster asked about using weed in conjunction with being sleeved. I also believe it is no different than asking about alcohol or sex or exercise. If one is going to use weed let's encourage them to do it in the healthiest manner, just as we would advise eating and drinking in moderation. There are lots of subforums, subgroups, threads unrelated to vsg on this site, such as gay/lesbian, Christian, men's room (where I believe this thread is).
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Agreed. We have to read the labels. Sugar alcohol is different than artificial sweetener. It's a carb. And not good for us with blood sugar problems. I will probably look around for the liquid stevia. My fily really went nuts when my sister pulled out the computer and searched Truvia. We all thought it was natural. My mom had a fit. She thought she finally found the golden ticket!
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