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Thanks for the hint. I'm going to remember that when it's time to get started. I tried the Premier strawberry and didn't like it, although lots of people do seem to like Premier. I've ordered unflavored unjury and GENEPRO so I hope they are truly unflavored! I've also got a sample pack of the nectar Protein drinks.
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Help needed in picking protein shakes
shedo82773 replied to jeff4free's topic in Protein, Vitamins, and Supplements
I used Premier for 2 weeks Preop and 4 weeks Postop. I had the back door trots the whole time. Finally, my Surgeon told me that I was more than likely Lactose Intolerant. Thanks. I use GENEPRO unflavored protein I put it in my coffee every day. I have tried so many different proteins, I would hate to know how much money I have spent. Also MYLOPLEX rich dark Chocolate is god as is ATkins. Guard against buying too much protein before your WLS. So many people have their taste changes. Good Luck -
Help needed in picking protein shakes
Alex Brecher replied to jeff4free's topic in Protein, Vitamins, and Supplements
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Suggest Unflavored Protein Powder Source
Gracy0721 replied to Debbie623's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I have been using Genepro unflavored protein powder. I really like it!! -
Suggest Unflavored Protein Powder Source
rosemary79 replied to Debbie623's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Genepro is the best I've found so far. I mix it with my decaf coffee and a little sugar free creamer every morning and get 30g of protein right off the bat! -
Suggest Unflavored Protein Powder Source
Debbie623 replied to Debbie623's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Thanks everyone. I ordered GENEPRO awhile from Amazon. If I don't like that, I will try one of the others. Happy 4th!! -
Genepro Protein?
Flora Anderson replied to cuteNATL's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
At this point I use GENEPRO to goose up my Protein levels if my daily protein is low. I love it because other Proteins give me horrific digestive ... issues. -
No need to do that. I mean, you can but you don't have to. The science is sound. Purified Protein is nothing new, and because they add a mixture of enzymes to increase the bio-availablity, it is equivalent to 30g and a great product. Sorry for the nerd talk, but I've been a biochemist and purifying & analyzing Proteins for a very long time. Their competitors have been going on youtube and bodybuilding forums to try to slander them. Apparently people believe them but doctors know, NUTS know, which is why they often suggest GENEPRO. I've been using it from the beginning as my main protein supplement and my protein labs are perfect every time.
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@@Alex Brecher Thank you for the link. I read through it once, and will do some more reading on it. This quote below was my introduction to GENEPRO science when I started looking into it after my nutritionist recommended it to me. It was written by a person claiming to be Brian Parks, the owner of Genepro. "What makes Genepro so unique is that we are able to reduce the Protein molecule to half the size of normal protein through a process called Electrophoresis. This is a reverse electrical polarity method of extracting pure protein. In essence we take protein molecules that, for reference, are the size of a baseball. We push these baseball sized protein molecules through a Polyacrylamide gel (the gel stays below 87 degrees F) and introduce electricity through the gel. This process removes hydrogen ions, allergens and any fillers or binders so we are able to then bind the protein with a strand of six amino acids called a Hexapeptide which stabilizes the molecular structure. This hexapeptide increases shelf life of the protein as well as balancing the bitter taste that is present with the protein after electrophoresis and actually gives the protein a slightly sweet undertone. The protein is pushed through a filtration system and into a centrifuge which results in a pure protein molecule that is now the size of a golf ball (for reference). You may not be able to fit 30 baseballs into a shoe box but you can fit 30 golf balls. Thus giving us the ability to get 30grams of protein in a 1TBS serving size." The older term for this is "snake oil". I am not a scientist, but I do know that we do not possess the technoloy to compress molecules to "half their size" and keep them chemically the same. We can certainly remove parts of molecules to make them smaller, but then it ain't the same molecule anymore. Electrophoresis does indeed have the ability to separate molecules by size. It has no efficacy for changing the sizes of molecules. There are several possible conclusions that can be drawn from this. One, this poster is not who he claims to be. Two, this poster does not understand the process he is trying to describe. Three, this poster is misrepresenting the facts. The content is consistent with what I read in other places though, so I am inclined to take it as their official policy. Now we have the "as good as" double asterisk after the claim. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. When someone starts out with a shovel as large as the one used above, I am already skeptical. You posted a clinical study. That is a start, but the sample size and the run time are very likely statistically insignificant. The number of variables here are incredible, with no real system for controls, at least according to what I read. Twenty people over six weeks isn't much of a sample, particularly when you consider how that sample was gathered and apparently monitored. I googled Medfitrx, which is apparently the organization which conducted the study. They appear to be local to the Genepro people (not a huge issue) and appear to be, in their words, "Your one stop shop for diets, supplements, workouts and more that are designed by your genetics for you. # science." That is about as big a red flag as can be possible as far as I can tell. There are very official looking numbers, .gov, and other impressive terms sprinkled about the study pages, but it all looks just a teeny bit suspect to me. Then again, I am old enough to remember clinical studies sponsored by the tobacco companies that proved smoking cigarettes was not bad for you. @@Sai My nutritionist recommended Genepro to me immediately following my surgery. She said it was great stuff. She liked it, the doctors liked it. So I went out and bought it. After all, they know. This is their profession. They went to school for this stuff, right? I bought a can, brought it home, and started using it. Then I got to comparing scoop sizes with my other stuff. Then I started reading things like what I posted above. Then I had my next appointment with my nutritionist. So I asked her what her experience with Genepro was, exactly. "We've been recommending it for a while. People really like it." "Have you done any research, or is there any research concerning their claims?" "Uh, I know the doctors really like it." "How much reading and research do you think they may have done?" She actually snorted in laughter and said, "Probably not much!" Please keep in mind I was not trying to trap her, or back her into some sort of corner. I was honestly seeking information. I asked her open, non leading questions to start and these were the answers. So I got a little more detailed. "Can you tell me how they can fit 30 grams into a 15 gram (ml) volume which has a weight of 4 grams? "No." Do you think the doctors can tell me?" "I doubt it." "Is there any research out there independent of their own claims and publications?" "I am not sure." This is the response from my nutritionist at my program. I have no idea how other nutritionists might respond because I have not interacted with them. However, when I take this experience into account with everything above, it all appears to be supported on a very shaky foundation. There is plenty of anecdotal information from happy customers, but consensus does not equal fact. If people want to buy and consume this stuff, they have every right to do so. I am going to remain very skeptical until I see some solid, independent information that has been demonstrably gathered and sifted for reliability.
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I've read the same stuff. They're not claiming that it's the same chemical structure. They're trying to explain in layman's terms how they're changing the chemical structure. They're describing stripping out everything but the protein chain and then binding the protein chain to less stuff but still stabilizing the protein chain and in the process making it more bioavailable. In trying to make it understandable to non scientists they've actually made their description not scientifically accurate. My scientist dad used to get driven crazy by this, he called it "simplification to the point of error". I've read some other documents by the company, and it appears to me they're claiming that their process of refining the Proteins reduces allergens and makes more of the protein bioavailable and that's what they're basing the claim on. I've also read the outcomes from the clinical trial. While I think there are some basic flaws in the study design, my conclusion based on the raw data from the study (available at clinical trials dot gov) is that Genepro is as good as any other Protein powder. I have found it to be easier to mix in more foods at more temperatures than other brands, so I'll stick with it. For me, it's like the question of which is better, a .380 or a 9mm? The answer is the one you'll actually carry. My 9mm is a much better weapon, but it's not concealable. My .380 is, so it's the one I'm more likely to actually have at hand. If another protein powder is better, but I won't use it because it's gritty or changes the texture too much, or won't dissolve well in hot liquids, is it really better? Exactly. I agree. That's why I use it too... Until I hear otherwise, I'm not changing. My blood work is perfect this past year so that's another reason. Also, I'm pretty sure they don't want to give out too much of their process details, not just to break it down in laymen's terms but also so other companies won't copy it. Maybe it's just simply denatured protein with the addition of Prohydrolase hehe. So even if they break the peptide bonds, and do change the structure, it still contains all the amino acids which our bodies still benefits nutritionally from (both through absorption and digestion). P.S. That's so cool your dad is a scientist. My dad was a surgeon before he passed away, and I tried that route but ended up as a scientist instead. I kept passing out watching his surgeries .
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I've read the same stuff. They're not claiming that it's the same chemical structure. They're trying to explain in layman's terms how they're changing the chemical structure. They're describing stripping out everything but the protein chain and then binding the protein chain to less stuff but still stabilizing the protein chain and in the process making it more bioavailable. In trying to make it understandable to non scientists they've actually made their description not scientifically accurate. My scientist dad used to get driven crazy by this, he called it "simplification to the point of error". I've read some other documents by the company, and it appears to me they're claiming that their process of refining the Proteins reduces allergens and makes more of the protein bioavailable and that's what they're basing the claim on. I've also read the outcomes from the clinical trial. While I think there are some basic flaws in the study design, my conclusion based on the raw data from the study (available at clinical trials dot gov) is that Genepro is as good as any other protein powder. I have found it to be easier to mix in more foods at more temperatures than other brands, so I'll stick with it. For me, it's like the question of which is better, a .380 or a 9mm? The answer is the one you'll actually carry. My 9mm is a much better weapon, but it's not concealable. My .380 is, so it's the one I'm more likely to actually have at hand. If another protein powder is better, but I won't use it because it's gritty or changes the texture too much, or won't dissolve well in hot liquids, is it really better? You've been paying attention to all my posts, haven't you? If given a choice between 9mm and .380, I always go with .45 ACP. Seriously, I appreciate the way you have laid it out. To continue the analogy, if this is the way they are going about it, they are really shooting themselves in the foot. I am not a scientist, but I am fairly well educated, and I know enough about chemistry and physics that when someone says they are shrinking molecules... I am working real hard at getting my protein from natural food. I realize there will be some Protein shakes and bars in my life, but I am reducing them as much as possible, just because of some of the, uhhh, side effects (especially the bars). I don't gain or lose anything in the Genepro discussion, and that makes it easy to keep an open mind. Thank you.
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Collection of tips from this site
bobbyswife posted a topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Since I've come to this site exactly one month ago, I have been "collecting" tips as I've come across them. I was just keeping them for myself, and then I realized they may be helpful to someone else. I'll bookmark this page and update it as I come across new and valuable info. Most of these are direct quotes, and had I known I was going to share this I would have kept the original poster's name to give them credit for the tips, but alas, I did not. So, thank you to everyone who may have contributed, and keep the good stuff coming! Tips pre op Chew on Sonic ice Try freezing Protein shakes Tips after surgery Gas-X thin strips Clear G2 Lip moisturizer Room-temp Water Thermometer Smooth Move tea Try freezing Protein Shakes Applesauce to aid in pooping (can add crushed vitamins) Torani syrups Hospital Fem wipes 2 phone chargers Computer charger Phones Computer Earplugs Eye mask Own pillow – not white (so you remember to take it home) Biotene mouth spray Glade plug-in pureed Stage Mashed potatoes with cheese and/or garlic and added unflavored Protein powder Plain Greek yogurt flavored with various protein powders Cottage cheese mixed with milk and Muscle Milk cake batter protein powder (tastes like cheesecake) Pureed split pea Soup Pureed bean soup Pureed chili Huevos rancheros without the tortilla Cream of wheat with chocolate or vanilla protein powder String cheese Deviled ham Hummus Squash with added unflavored protein powder Egg salad Pureed tuna fish with mayo and mustard And leftover from full liquids.... unflavored protein powder added to cream of shrimp, cream of asparagus, tortilla soup base, strained miso soup, egg drop soup, lobster bisque, butternut squash soup, etc. and I STILL drink a big protein/fiber smoothie everyday. recipes 1 scoop Muscle Milk cake batter protein powder. 1/2 scoop banana protein powder, 1 scoop Raw Fiber, 1/2 banana, 1 squirt Torani hazelnut syrup, 8 oz. water, 8 oz. milk, and enough ice to bring it to 24oz. Check out the Syntrax nectar and Muscle Milk powders. Between those and Torani syrups, the possibilities are endless. I'm having a strawberry lemonade smoothie today.... Syntrax lemonade, fresh pureed strawberries, fiber supplement and water. Oh yeah, and the Muscle Milk red velvet cake with Torani caramel syrup is to die for! And if you like Peanut Butter.... Syntrax matrix vanilla with PB2 powder. -Chocolate Premier Protein shake (30g Protein) -2 Tbsp. of PB2 (This is a dry mix of Peanut Butter, the healthiest form of Peanut Butter, has 5 grams of Protein for 2 Tbsp.) -1 Tbsp. Cocoa Powder Unsweetened -1/2 Banana -6 Ice Cubes (give or take) Total Protein: 35g -2 Scoops Protein Powder -1/2 Cup Almond Milk -2 Tbsp. of PB2 -1 Tbsp. Cocoa Powder Unsweetened -1/2 Banana -6 Ice Cubes (give or take) 1/4 no sugar added apple juice, a tablespoon pedialite and the rest water Diluted Crystal Light and Low salt broth (with a scoop of GENEPRO unflavored protein) are also yummy Ricotta with 1 or 2 tablespoons of marinara sauce with a layer of shredded mozzarella warmed in the microwave. unjury strawberry sorbet protein Breakfast (mixed with 3 oz. apple juice, water and lots of ice) Sample day post op: I keep a 2-quart jug and a 24-oz Tervis tumbler (with a handle) both at home and at work. I count my breakfast Premier Protein shake as a meal, not a Fluid. (30 grams of protein) 30-60 minutes later, I have a cup of coffee. (Count it as a fluid if you like.) After that, I drink a 24-oz. tumbler of decaf, sugar-free iced tea, like Crystal Light throughout the morning. (Lots of frequent sips) Then I walk for 40+ minutes. Then it's lunchtime - tuna salad or chicken salad, or leftover protein from dinner. (16-22 grams of protein) and maybe a bite of veggies if there's room. About 45 minutes after lunch, I'll fill another 24-oz tumbler of iced tea and sip that throughout the afternoon, finishing by 30 minutes before my afternoon snack. At around 4:00, my afternoon snack is usually a Greek yogurt (12 grams of protein) or some leftovers. (This is also a good time to get in some veggies or a V-8 if you're getting enough protein at other times.) Maybe a cup of hot tea in the later afternoon. (Count it as a fluid you like.) Then dinner – again, getting 20-25 grams of protein from lean steak, fish, chicken, or pork, and maybe a bite or two of veggies. Finally, another 24-oz cup of iced tea or water 30-45 minutes after dinner that I sip throughout the evening. If I'm hungry later, sugar-free Jell-O or sugar-free popsicles are good. And if I'm short on protein or still hungry, another yogurt or protein shake. (I'm not worried about the calories because this menu only provides 700-900 per day.)- 13 replies
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Can someone please help me...
happymama2014 replied to Jennifer Rogers's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I've never heard anything about taking a certain amount of time to consume protein. It takes me about a half an hour to eat my Greek yogurt. Only takes me about 10 minutes to drink my soup or broth with genepro protein powder, and takes me about 15 minutes to do a protein pudding because of small bites. -
How do u get ur protein?
MrsMurky721 replied to culmer's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
How far are you post-op? I'm three days out. I set a timer on my phone to go off every two minutes so I remember to take a sip. It's slow but the only way I can get myself to drink anything. I found New Whey Liquid Protien. It's 42 gm of protein in 4oz. Not delicious but oh well. I also bought Genepro online. It's a flavorless protein powder that can be mixed into anything. So along with my protein shots I'm sipping on lemonade with genepro to get in my water and extra protein. -
oh no I just ordered some sample packets of the genepro ... if I turn out not to like it I will give the one you mentioned a try! @@OKCPirate
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I added genepro protein powder to all my soups. The protein keeps me feeling full. Sent from my SM-G920V using BariatricPal mobile app
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Atkins protein lift, I've seen those in the supermarket and Walmart. Isopure I found those at GNC and the Vitamin shoppe. I went with GENEPRO, it has 30g of protein in a tablespoon and is flavorless and odorless, I mix it with my Water with a little crystal light and that gives me two in one liquids and proteins, I got this at gnc. I could not stomach sweetness in the Atkins lift water post op, it was a bit much for me right now . I'm day 4 post op. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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I went with GENEPRO too. What a blessing. You can't taste it at all. I add it to my broth.
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Update on the whey protein. I was sensitive to 'milk concentrate" whey protein. This includes the bariatric pal soups, puddings, and gnc lean shakes. It caused a lot of very foul gas and bowel discomfort. Whey isolate, Genepro, and several GNC shakes have been fine. I was not sensitive to the milk concentrate whey shakes before. The cottage cheese also gave me issues and I had to cut it out. Greek yogurt has been fine. So if you are stocking up before surgery I highly recommend making sure you get whey isolate, especially the Genepro as it has no flavor and can be added to anything to boost your protein intake.
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Getting frustrated
becomingmandikaye replied to Lizardlady's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I'm in almost the same boat as you (except I can't have yogurt or jello). I've found GENEPRO to be a game changer. I strained some chicken and stars soup last night and added Genepro to the broth. It was 4 oz of broth with 30g of Protein in it, and it tasted wonderful. I went down the soup aisle and picked up any soup that seemed like it would have a flavorful broth after straining. I also have sugar free popsicles, and I did get some Luigi's Italian Ice in lemon (not sugar free, but I'm having issues getting calories in, so I thought why not). Good luck to you! -
I went protein crazy!
higher replied to gettingsleeved1's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Based on advice from this board, I've tried mixing GENEPRO protein into hot coffee and hot soup and it was perfectly fine each time. -
I'm using Genepro and I really like it. You only have to use a small scoop to get 30 grams of protein and only 59 calories. I tried Isopure, but you have to use more to get 30 grams of protein and it is 112 calories.
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My dad who doesn't know anything about gastric bypass puts in his two cents from time to time. I'm pre op but telling my husband that I need to try some Isopure or GenePro powder. Dad was saying that protein powder can affect the kidneys. Is there a problem with using them? Like I said I'm pre op but practicing getting in my 64 ounces of water in and my kidneys seem to work, I pee all the time. Don't want to mess them up with protein. I drink protein shakes now and don't have a problem with them. I'd like to get some flavorless protein to put in my water. After surgery I want to hit the gym and build muscle, that means more protein than just 60-80 g per day.
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Protein Goal/Shopping List
sleevedmama16 replied to DuckieXD's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I have unjury and hate it!!! I feel like it has a smell? Did anyone try unjury and still think GENEPRO is better? Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App -
Daily Protein Requirements?
CE24 replied to HindsightBias's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Yes and it's annoying to be sipping all day long! Although im farther out than you (7 weeks) I figured out pretty early on I can easily glup Water with no problems. I can take about 4 big gulps of water before I feel full and about 6 of tea or something else. To help hit your high Protein requirement how about you look into GENEPRO protein powder. It's 30 grams of protein but it's only a tablespoon for the serving which is great and it honestly doesn't taste like anything!! It will make whatever you mix it into cloudy but other than that it's great! And only 98 calories!!! Good luck