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So why did we need surgery to do this?
Kindle posted a topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
So this is for all the successful veterans out there....for those that lost what you wanted to lose, have made all the necessary lifestyle changes to be successful and continue to maintain your weight loss..... Why couldn't we do this without surgery?! The surgery was on our stomachs, not our brains. So how are we able to stick to whatever changes we've made and continue to be successful? For me, I haven't made as big of changes as a lot of others. I simply eat healthy, eat smaller portions and drink way less alcohol. I don't track, I don't measure, I don't exercise, I don't see a therapist. So why can I do this now and not the dozen times I've tried in the past? I've had some horrible emotional hits since surgery...I had to put both of my dogs to sleep, my best friend committed suicide and another good friend was just diagnosed with cancer. I exist in a fog of grief and anger and confusion over my best friend. I am overwhelmed with emotions and some days wish I could join him. I should be stuffing my face and getting drunk every night. That's how I've always coped in the past. Why aren't I doing that now? How about those of you who count calories and carbs and track everything in MFP and go to the gym and run C25K, etc.? Those are huge changes and yet you've made them. Why couldn't you simply do that before surgery? Why are you so good at the healthy lifestyle now? I'm asking because I have no answers to explain my changes. What about you? -
I know that feeling, had a birthday weekend and my body craved simple things after. Had 1 small piece of cake and I felt like I drank alcohol.
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3.5 Weeks And Everything Going Right Through Me
jennrus posted a topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Been having diarrhea for days but yesterday and today are really bad. Had one cocktail last night and been really bad for last 24 hours. Been 6 times today. Can't be much left and I'm getting worried. Is it alcohol? Is this dumping? -
I need a f*#+ing drink
beautifuldaymonster replied to merisafaye's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
No sermon from me. I had wine within 90 days of surgery and have enjoyed it, beer and even cocktails with no problems since. Notice I said problems but didn't say issues. I've noticed small issues. The following is my own weird personal experience. YMMV. Alcohol just doesn't bring the same effect as it did before the surgery, so the buzz factor is gone. Wine brings a very vague buzz but it's over so fast you almost don't notice it. Real beer containing alcohol: no buzz at all yet near beer, eg Odouls etc, causes a slight buzz! Go figure! Cocktails bring a buzz but it's weaker than before and not fully pleasant. The "fun" of drinking is gone, I think never to return. So if you drink alcohol for the buzz you might never get it. If you drink for the chill and taste like I do, you won't miss any satisfaction. Drinks are still cold and still taste good. But there's no more "there" there. No lie, tonight after a sip of lambrusco, I found myself thinking, you know, this tastes like black cherry juice so why not just start chilling and drinking that. That's how weak the buzz is with no more fundus. But again YMMV. Use alcohol with caution. -
I had to be real honest with myself the last 24 hours. I am not eating enough solid protein, I drink too much alcohol and I sustain on protein drinks and soft foods. I am 40 lbs from goal. So today, I went into my doctor and had .5 taken out so I could eat solid protein again. Also, I am joining Weight Watchers on Saturday to see if they can help me with my nutrition. Anyone else struggle out there? Tell me your story.
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Hi all having band fitted 25th oct very nervous, although I have always struggled with my weight I have been able to lose it aswell over the last 8 yrs its been very difficult due to medical problems oesto-arthritis in my spine hips hands and feet just wanted to know some information, how does it effect your lifestyle in the sense of what you eat & drink also alcohol. All info is much appriciated x
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Discouraged and need advice
Fatboyslim1 replied to Seimmaj's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
While I usually disagree with much of what you push, I am a proponent of the controlled drinking alternative to alcohol addiction. But where we disagree is that for WLS, controlled drinking runs parallel. With controlled drinking, one can potentially survive the addiction, but while doing so be vividly aware that they are still drinking (and becoming intoxicated). With WLS there is a bunch of bizarre and completely wrong "advise" out there that when, what and how much someone eats (or doesn't eat) does not somehow correlate directly to weight. The controlled drink argument under that same scenario would be" I control my drinking, but I don't become intoxicated". the AMA should fund a study to determine the correlation between short and long post WLS surgery failure with people reading bad advise on Bariatric forums. -
I drink when I get my cravings. However, I don't mean alcohol! I drink lots of diet Snapple teas, Crystal Light and other low calorie drinks. If that isn't working I'll have black decaf coffee or tea because sometimes I need the warmth to feel "full". If none of those work, then I have to leave and do something. I go window shopping, walk the dog, clean the house, do laundry--whatever will help me to get past the moment. If all else fails, I set aside 3 whatevers (usually cookies) and eat them slowly. The times that I haven't followed my own advice, it has let to a binge. I now recognize the warning signs and try to control the moment.
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Ryan, I would think it best to have the option to be off just in case you don't feel so hot. Lots of folks feel just fine, but some take it a little slower than others. I had surgery on a Friday and returned to work on the following Wednesday. I flew home from Mexico 2 days after surgery and it was pretty tiring, but I had been sick post-op. If I were you I'd take an additional day or two, just in case. I can't believe they sanded your chest! And then poured alcohol on it, whew! Do ya think they just get jaded after a while and forget how it feels on our end? Glad your test results were positive. Soon you'll be steppin' lighter, my friend.
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What if I cheat on pre-op diet? Wine?!
Daisalana replied to noahsmom's topic in LAP-BAND Surgery Forums
Well the options are this.. Don't follow the diet, and risk being cut from breastbone to pubes. If you don't shrink down your liver, you may not be able to do it laproscopically, because those little rods can't hold up super huge livers.. and if you're overweight (and drinking alcohol doesn't help), your liver is a biggun. Or.. go these 2 weeks, and be strong.. shrink that liver, and just have a few small scars. Not to mention, being opened up all the way also makes healing time a LOT longer, and the surgery quite a bit more invasive, with risks of infection, etc. That's how I gave up all the yummy good foods I wanted. I didn't have to do liquid until the last 3 days, but I had to do No sugar, No Fried, No Salt for a month. -
Okay- I know the lecture, but I have to do a 7 day liquid diet for Ortiz (only because I didn't want to choose the other ideas) and no alcohol for 2 weeks. I know I will screw up my liver and maybe my chances for surgery - - but I am so stressed out and messed up about my weight and being a new Mommy and all - I know - EXCUSES - but I just had one glass of red wine and I really like that one glass at night to calm me down from work, life, being fat, etc., etc. I don't know if I can go 2 weeks without it, plus no food too? I went 9 months preggers without it and them 4 months breastfeeding without wine, but I could eat then. Now I gotta do both! If give up my glass, and munchies too, then whaddoIdo? Whine, whine, wine - - - - - Hit me with the truth, i guess, but go easy!
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Sorry about that guys! The carbonation can cause your pouch to expand and lead to band slippage. My doctor does not want us to drink at all. A very small amount of alcohol will have a big effect on you. It can lead to cross-addiction. Apparently he has had a few patients have severe problems with drinking with the band. I know I will have to give beer up for sure. It will be rough. I am working through it, though. I kinda feel like I am grieving. I know the band will be worth it. Hopefully it will happen soon. I'll let ya all know!
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Wow Brewa...that's a big hurdle you overcame being a brewer!! I think Guinness is great.. I agree with the alcohol / junk food association. That's why my limit will be 4 drinks. If I drink enough to be hungover the next day I crave the bad stuff!! I never eat while drinking thought, my appetite hits me post-session! Good luck to you & congrats on the weight loss & lifestyle changes..well done
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Did yoi do better today, Jeni?? :thumbup: My day today was good. Tomorrow will be TOUGH!!! I have to take a client to lunch (I dont like eating out because I cant control my calories well) and I have happy hour with the team in the evening. My challenge for tomorrow is: a) Stay within 1500 calories by checking the calories of the food at the restaurants in Advance :cursing: Dont drink Alcohol at Happy Hour c) Work out - Tae Kwondo - I know, LOFTY goals - wish me luck!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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When Did You Have Your First Drink?
morelgirl replied to kdalesandro7733's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
My doctor and nutritionist never said I had to avoid alcohol, just to limit it as I would any other empty calorie food. So I waited until about week 3 (off meds, eating soft solids, and feeling good). Then I caved and had half a glass of white wine. Wow, was that nice! -
Anyone older than me?
RestlessMonkey replied to Cleo's Mom's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
DaneQ8@hotmail.com.... I was SO obese that my Tricare standard insurance approved me in under 48 hours. I didn't need comorbidities etc. I was good to go! I'm not 100% up on fatty livers since I didn't realize I had one until my 1st surgery when the doc, on 8/11, couldn't place my band because of mine! I will tell you what I know...visceral fat (around organs, and mostly in our torsos of course) is really hard on us...super obese people store fat there and in the liver. If left unchecked it can lead to liver disease...cirrhosis It is in fact called NALD...or "Non-alcoholic liver disease" I think as the liver becomes more clogged with fat, its function diminishes. I wasn't at that stage (thank god) but did have a large thickened liver. I followed an Atkins type diet but very low cal, too...600 cal a day average, VERY low fat, high proten. I did that for 5 1/2 weeks and lost 32 pounds. Apparently I lost much of that as visceral fat .... that gut fat around my organs and in my liver. On 8/29 my liver had shrunk sufficiently for the doc to move it out of the way and place my band. They did blood work which, I'm sure (although I didn't discuss w/my surgeon) showed elevated liver enzymes, so he knew I had a fatty liver. I had an abdominal ultrasound but that didn't show him how THICK and immovable my liver was...so he didn't know that until he "went in". As motivation to stick to a diet, coming to in recovery and being told "You didn't get the band, dear, your liver was too fat" is right up there at the top of the heap! I cried about 2 seconds and then got determined. SO if you are VERY obese, like me, (more than double what you should weigh) then your approval will be fast. If your doc tells you to follow a preop diet, do it TO THE LETTER! Learn from me! LOL -
Disordered Eating (Binge, Compulsive, etc)
Jennifer Ostermeier replied to Jennifer Ostermeier's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Thanks so much for your quick reply. I took a look at the string you started earlier as well. I am interested to see if there are people who feel like they have overcome their eating disorder. Or is eating disorder recovery similar to alcohol recovery… Something we have to do for the rest of our lives. Just curious. I am doing DBT therapy as well. Trying to get as much in on the front end, prior to surgery, so that post surgery. I am really starting to think that I will never be able to stop seeking outside resources. -
So listening to the same brain that got you in this state instead of listening to your surgeon is smart! Instead of getting pissed off about how the surgeons have different requirements how about doing what your told and then dealing with it. I'm on my 3rd day preop diet and although there have been tough moments they pass. If I'm giving into the negative mental pity party I'm screwed before I even have the surgery. Our biggest battle is the psychological one and if our mindset sucks then this experience is going to suck. A dr. told me yesterday to focus on doing this one day at a time like recovering alcoholics and drug addicts do. I also focus on the prize. Plus I want my surgeons job to be easier since he's going to be digging around my innards. And I see this as the natural consequence of being so damned over indulgent all those many years. Quite frankly suck it up and get over yourself. You have a chance at a whole new life and if that doesn't make you happy no amount of weight loss will either. Sent from my SM-G900V using the BariatricPal App
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Hello Kathi, Welcome to the Board... I am also planning to take this surgery. A primary part of the pre-op diet is a Protein supplement. Foods that will need to be avoid in your diet include high-sugar foods, fatty meats, high fried foods, carbohydrate foods, fats, whole milk products, and alcohol. If you need more information on Lap band surgery diet, finance and cost as well, please go through my signature link. It'll help you a lot.
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Drinking alcohol
jamesapricejr replied to kooks3003's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
So before anyone gives me ****. I'm a 24 year old party promoter in Los Angeles. Its my job to go out and drink. So I can drink pretty normally I was sleeved 1/26/13. I know how many calories are in my choice of booze (jameson- 64 calories/ounce) so I drink jameson and water each one has two to 3 ounces of jameson. The calories add up quickly. But I still do it. There was a week where I didn't lose any weight because I was drinking to much. So now I try not to eat much on days I'll know I'll be drinking. The one amazing thing about the surgery. Is I'm never hung over. Its like my stomach is too small to hold the alcohol. I love it. So I say keep living your life and if you want to get snookie wasted one night then go for it! -
What Do You Do When a Craving Hits?
Bill Berry replied to Alex Brecher's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
I have kept to the diet described in my Surgery Bible. I do not eat anything that my nutritionist says is objectionable. I know me. If I start binging on foods that are sorta on the list of bad things. I will explode! I know of 1 person that lives in my building that had the same surgery. He lost some weight. But started eating all the same FAT and SUGAR stuff he ate before. That is not for me! I have a long journey before I am through. I will not eat pizza. I will not eat Junk food. I am a FOOD ADDICT. If I start down that road, The Gremlins in my head will tell me SURE IT IS OK. Eat what you want. Your tummy is all shrunk up. No problem. BULLCRAP! I have to not give in to my cravings. now Addictions. I have been Sober from Alcohol for over 24 years. I had just switched Addictions from Alcohol to Food. I had to learn how not to drink 1 day at a time. I am learning how not to Eat as an Addict. This to me is a WAR that I aim to win! 1 meal at a time! -
Alcohol After 6 Weeks Out?
ocean_ophelia replied to shannonbcaldwell's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I am wondering the same thing. I am in the medical field, and that makes no sense that the liver would react differently to a larger vs. smaller stomach. Alcohol passes from the stomach and intestines into the blood. It is then metabolized by enzymes in the liver. That process doesn't change. -
Alcohol After 6 Weeks Out?
Amanda 3.0 replied to shannonbcaldwell's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
What does your surgeon's office suggest? I am coming up on six weeks. My surgeon said it was fine for me to have small amounts of alcohol, and to just take it slow to find my tolerance and most importantly, be sure not to get sick. I had about two ounces of wine over dinner tonight. Dinner lasted over an hour. Vodka with some V-8, or even better, Snap E. Tom, is a nice drink for me. I never drank that combination before. I just sip it so slowly. I feel a slight effect from the alcohol, but it doesn't put me over the edge like it does some people. Of course, like I always say, call your surgeon's office and see what they say. -
Hello everyone...getting banded this FRIDAY!
mball2011 replied to SuzanneCollins's topic in Tell Your Weight Loss Surgery Story
Hi there, my name is Michelle, from southeast MI. 44 years old, married, mother of a daughter who is a sophmore in college. I have thought about surgery a few times, but ultimately, the gastric bypass just scares me, too invasive to me it seems. I didn't know much about the LapBand, briefly talked to my primary about it, and he was not opposed to me looking into it. Bottom line, I weigh over 300 pounds, I am at my all time heaviest. I have GERD (acid reflux), aches and pains, just found out recently that I am borderline diabetic and had breast cancer 3 and a half years ago. I have probably lost 500 pounds in my lifetime, you lose 100, gain 110, etc. So, I have taken the first step, I went to a seminar, then made an appointment for a consultation 2/17. I don't look at it as a cop out, it is a tool. For Pete's sake, drug addicts and alcoholics go to rehab and they are treated better than overweight people (the last acceptable discrimination). Another thing that has motivated me is that a friend at work had the LapBand done in September, down about 40 pounds so far, a friend in Chicago had about a month ago, down 27 pounds. I have gotten nothing but positive feedback from both of them. Sure, you are sore for a few days, sure you get tired of the Protein shakes, but I am more tired of feeling like crap all the time, and huffing and puffing just walking to my car in the parking lot!! I too am self conscious about going out to eat, movies, etc, I see the looks I get. First and foremost I am doing this for my health, I have just had enough, and again, this is a tool, it is forced portion control, and if it helps then great!! It is so easy for people that don't have a weight problem to say, you can do it on your own, sure you can, I have before, but gained it back and then some!! So, listen to yourself, and if you need a tool, then so be it!! -
I agree with restless. I think you should wait longer. Although a cocktail is liquid so there should be no trouble getting it down I don't think it is appropriate at this stage of recovery.It is also full of empty calories which is something I am sure you don't really want. I drink wine on a fairly regular basis and thought it would be difficult to go without. I haven't had any alcohol since I started my preop diet 5 weeks ago and its actually been easier than I thought. I haven't missed it at all. Its up to you what you decide but I am sure you will feel better if you stick to your Dr's plan.
