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I too am a mother and understand that sometimes we need relaxation and alcohol can really hit the spot. I however have resorted to meditation I find that learning to relax takes away my need for alcohol. Also it's a really good thing to do with your child as they get older. Teaching a child how to relax can help if they develop sleep issues or anxiety. I know of somebody who has had a gastric sleeve and finds out how very easy to slip down his throat and has probably replaced one issue with another. It's always worth just keeping a check on these things I can slip very quickly. What you're suggesting in terms of drinking occasionally should not be a problem. In fact a delight. Enjoy and cheers.
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If you trusted the surgeon enough to cut you and remove 80% of an organ, you may want to give his opinion on alcohol consumption some more thought. I had a few drinks at 5 months, but I have the sleeve and I had clearance with my surgeon. First time you drink there is a very real possibility of getting sick.
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Sweet Success 6 Month Bandanniversary
Hopeful to be full posted a blog entry in Hopeful to be full's Blog
Yesterday was my 6th month anniversary of being banded (was banded November 30th). My starting weight was 257. My weight was 247 the day of surgery. I currently have 4.5 cc in a 14 cc band. My current weight is around 217! I AM 40 POUNDS THINNER THAN I WAS AROUND THANKSGIVING. In fact, I've lost about two turkeys myself or 8 pounds of sugar or however you wanna look at it. TO ME, THAT'S GREAT! Sure it's not the big numbers some people are pulling, but it's amazing for me. To show you how amazing I'm including an old journal entry.......... THE OLD ME TALKING: ".... During the weekend it was really difficult to count calories when it feels like every calorie is a big mistake. So the good thing was that I started counting again, the bad thing is that I ate over 2,500 calories today, and I know that's not conducisve to weight lost..... After my appointment I was sooooo drained, I didn't go to the gym. I just couldn't get in the right mindset. I have to be in the right mind set and do things in a certain way when it comes to working out. Then I felt bad because I shoulda, coulda, woulda went. This is the type of thing I was talkin about. I feel like if I was a better, different, person I would have pulled things together and went. "..... THE NEW ME TALKING: I used to be a size 22. NOW I AM A SIZE 16. I used to hate going to the gym. NOW (althought I dont love it, love it) I ENJOY THE GYM AND RARELY SKIP EXERCISING. I used to have trouble doing 15 mintues on the elliptical. NOW I CAN DO 60 MINUTES ON THE ELLIPTICAL, BUT WHAT I REALLY LOVE IS SPIN CLASSES!!! I used to be out of breath, and have back and knee pain from walking. NOW I CAN WALK FOR AN HOUR PLUS OUTSIDE! I used to be so fat that people thought i was pregnant. :ph34r: NOW PEOPLE TELL ME I LOOK NICE, CAUSE I DO! Although every day is not perfect with the band. Things are so much better than they were! I still struggle with my food addiction everyday. The band does not cure the addiction just like locking the liquor cabinet doesn't cure alcoholism. Food addiction is a real thing and mine isn't going anywhere. I still have to fight myself to make the right choices. AND I DO MAKE MISTAKES, OFTEN, TOO OFTEN. But I've learn to pick myself up and start again the next day! And I you can see I used to eat upwards of 3,000 calories a day. Now I eat about half that (it should be less) but i'm wortking on it! The band isn't for everyone, but it's working for me. GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE OUT THERE! :wub: -
PS. For those nauseous - some times a small sniff of rubbing alcohol gets rid of it for me. In the hospital, when I was having trouble, they gave me a few alcohol swab packets and it helped almost every time. Can't hurt to try. That's the worst feeling ever! I hope you guys get over it soon!
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Many of our patients enter the program with diabetes and pre-diabetes. The benefit of finding the “net” carbohydrate of a food serving is cutting back on the total amount of carbohydrates you consume, which can lead to better blood sugar control and some weight loss. “Net” carbs have also been listed on food labels as “impact carbs” or “effective carbs.” The food label can be a source of confusion, because there can be several types of carbohydrates listed under the total carbohydrates. Fiber and half the sugar alcohols can be subtracted from the total fiber to calculate “net” carbs. Fiber is a type of carbohydrate that our bodies don’t absorb and doesn’t raise blood sugars. Fiber is in plant foods (grains, beans, fruits and vegetables,) helps with digestion and leads to feeling fuller longer. Sugar alcohols are still part of the carbohydrate world, but don’t raise blood sugars as much as other carbohydrates like sugars and starches. Sugar alcohols are used to help a food product taste sweet with less ability to raise blood sugars. Sugar alcohols can be found in the ingredient list and may include sorbitol, xylitol, mannitol, isomalt, erythritol, glycerol (can also be listed as glycerine,) hydrogenated starch, maltitol, lactitol or other ingredients that end in –ol. Be aware that sugar alcohols still have calories. Consuming too many sugar alcohols at a time can also lead to bloating and diarrhea. Click here for an explanation about how to calculate the net carbs from a high fiber food item. Click here for an explanation about how to calculate the net carbs for foods containing sugar alcohols. Keep in mind that the FDA has not approved a definition of net carbs. Your dietitian will work with you to find a carbohydrate goal to help you keep your blood sugars in better control and to start losing weight.
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Has anyone tried these protein doughnuts. I found them on Amazon?? They are pretty expensive, but… does anyone know how they figure out the net carbs? I googled it and it’s something about the sugar alcohol they use being subtracted but I’ve never heard of this.
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Yes, generally sugar alcohols are not included in net carbs, but it might give you tummy troubles. I haven't found that to be an issue for me, but I tend to keep my portions small when eating things with sugar alcohols (better anyway, since these aren't usually the healthiest foods). I haven't tried the doughnuts, but I did like the Welch's Zero Sugar Fruit Gummies. I haven't been able to find those again, not even on Amazon!
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Good to hear that all of you are excited about being banded. I will tell you that I would be banded over and over again if I had known that I would have felt the way I feel. I was banded on January 15, 2007 and have lost a total of 28 lbs since then. I have not had any problems nor has it been a challenge to find things to eat nor energy. I have pretty much stayed on task with the diet or healthy eating habits. I think I have lost so well because, once I saw that I had lost a little weight, I was encouraged to keep myself strict to my doctors orders. I went on tueday for my first fill and I would like to share that experience with you all. They first accessed my port area to determine whether or not my incissions were healing correctly. He had me to place both of my legs together and lift them six inches. This allowed the port to pop/lift in the muscle under the skin. He then swabbed me with alcohol and injected the saline. Now, I will tell you that it feels really weird. It kind of feels like you have butterflies in your stomach.:faint: It was not bad, but when I first saw the needle, I was like (What????). Yeah, I knew there was going to be a needle, but not so large. It did not hurt, but it did feel funny. It was not an immediate restriction, but today I have eaten a smalll cup of apple sauce and am satisfied. Just think, I began this thing weighting 248 lbs and am now 218.5 lbs. All I can do is be excited for everyone else beginning or on this journey. Congratulations to all of you who have made this life saving decision.
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Thiamine (B1) deficiency in sleeve gastrectomy despite fewer malabsorption issues than gastric bypass
Born in Missouri posted a topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
Most of the bariatric literature on thiamine deficiency surrounds gastric bypass, but it seems sleeve gastrectomy is not immune to this problem despite that, theoretically, sleeve gastrectomy experiences fewer malabsorption issues. https://www.soard.org/article/S1550-7289(18)30222-3/fulltext Nutritional deficiencies are a recognized complication of bariatric surgery. Thiamine deficiency has been reported as a possible consequence of both restrictive and malabsorptive bariatric procedures. Most of the reported cases occurred after Roux-en-Y gastric bypass (RYGB) surgery; fewer were described after biliopancreatic diversion, vertical banded gastroplasty, or duodenal switch. Adults who have a high carbohydrate intake derived mainly from refined sugars and milled rice are at greater risk of developing thiamine deficiency because thiamine is absent from fats, oils, and refined sugars. https://www.soard.org/article/S1550-7289(05)00726-4/fulltext Thiamine was the first vitamin B to be discovered. It is absorbed in the proximal jejunum and is mainly stored in muscle as thiamine pyrophosphate. It has a biological half-life of 9-18 days. Patients who experience persistent vomiting after bariatric surgery are at risk of developing thiamine deficiency. Mild deficiency should be suspected if patients complain of apathy, anorexia, restlessness and generalized weakness. Prolonged deficiency leads to beriberi and/or Wernicke’s encephalopathy. The most common presenting symptom of thiamine deficiency is a pins-and-needles feeling in one’s extremities despite normal vitamin B12 and folate. The average time from surgery to onset of thiamine deficiency symptoms was 9 months. Persistent vomiting, alcoholism, and non-compliance with vitamins are all contributing factors to thiamine-B1 deficiency. Treatment for those suspected of thiamine-B1 deficiency: 50-100mg of thiamine twice daily. https://www.soard.org/article/S1550-7289(11)00050-5/fulltext -
issues with alcohol after surgery
steelergirl replied to mushsbat's topic in LAP-BAND Surgery Forums
Something else I want to mention...(non-professional My body hates alcohol. I love it, but my body doesn't use it as just calories taking in. I could have 3 measured drinks and count calories and it would stall my lose or even make me gain. This has been true for the last 25 yrs for me and I know it has something to do with the way my body processes the sugar in alcohol. I can have 2 glasses of wine, literally 4 oz each and my weight is higher for at least 48 hours after. I get puffy and retain fluid. My body just doesn't do well with alcohol in my diet. Every time I have successfully lost weight I have excluded alcohol all together. And when I start to drink again, I start to gain again. I want to mention that I am not a regular drinker. Maybe 1-2 times a month....Just some food for thought -
Sorry you are going through this. Seems food addiction and other addictions can coincide. I have a brother right now over the edge with alcohol and am very, very worried about him. If you check the other sites here, there is a 12 step program for OA and there are other posts related to this issue. Being from a family of alcohol issues, I can see where you are really having a hard time and hope you can find the answers you need.
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Well from my WW days I know that Alcohol slowed my loss because it makes you retain a lot of Water and is a gateway to food drug. I have 1 drink and I think.... wow those fries wont hurt me... I will just have 5. 33 later I and on my 2nd drink. LOL. So I am abstaining until my vacation in the spring so I can look HOT when I go home to CA to visit family.
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hi there this has been a topic in my shared medical appt many times i would suggest you speak with a therapist to help you thru this i have heard in my group many post op patients who substituted alcohol for food and just swapped out addictions you have identified that you need help and support which is a huge step so congratulations!
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5 days post op... a lot of questions/concerns about the future
BitterSweet* replied to adamj32993's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
@@adamj32993, congratulations on your surgery, especially at your young age. You seem well informed for the most part and your bariatric team sounds like a wonderful group. Things will get better, level out, and a sense of normalcy will return. You raised a lot of questions about alcohol, and even mentioned a co-worker who developed alcoholism after gastric bypass. Part of the reason to omit alcohol is not just from a nutritional standpoint. What happened to your co-worker is very common and happens to plenty of people after weight loss surgery. Even at your young age, the necessity of a gastric sleeve and the amount of weight you need / want to lose suggests that like the rest of us, you have an unhealthy relationship with food - for whatever reasons. Not addressing and dealing with issues / reasons why we eat ourselves to the point of gaining 100+ lbs doesn't go away after having the majority of your stomach removed. The stomach gets altered, not the brain, which is really the primary reason it is suggested that alcohol is limited or eliminated entirely. Cross dependency. It is real, and can sneak up on anyone. I think you should enjoy life and if that includes alcohol, then so be it. Maybe you can come up with a plan to have a single drink instead of several drinks when you are out with friends. At your age, the likelihood of having severe, saggy skin is minimal, provided that you are working out. Weight loss through food choices alone will make you look like a smaller version of your current self. As soon as you're cleared by your surgeon, do a lot of cardio and weight training so that muscles will begin to fill in as fat drops off. Hopefully that will eliminate any chance of "man boobs." Good luck to you on your weight loss journey and with your educational pursuits. -
27wks @ 5 days post op...70kg!..from 100kg...omega loop gastric bypass
fleabag1975 replied to fleabag1975's topic in Tell Your Weight Loss Surgery Story
Eat from the food pyramid, eat often, eat small...I eat off an entrée size plate. A typical day for me is porridge, muesli or 2 weetbix, fruit at morning tea, ricecakes x 2 with ham cheese and tomato, or baked beans on ricecakes cakes, or tin of tuna on crackers, snack on more fruit or sakata crackers, or vita wheats x 2 with filly , apple, orange, dinner I have anything from fish and veg, salmon and salad, chicken and veg, turkey breast with melted cheese and ham with corn cob... i will make a salad with low fat feta, pumpkin pieces, pine nuts, red onion and beetroot. After dinner cut up fruit like rasberries, strawberries, blueberries, almonds x 6 and put into Greek yoghurt! Yum! I never get hungry....but keep fruit on me always. I do at least 2 aerobic step class per week and 2 full on work out days at the gym. I don't drink so alcohol is not a problem thank god. Haven't had soft drink for 6 months and coping well with just water, tea and coffee....I will have lightly sparkling water but drink this over about 1 hrs so I don't get too gassy. I have had issues with constipation and have to use laxettes c often, take benefibre and drink about 2ltrs water daily, so it's a pain...but other than that have been going great. Stay away from anything that has fat and sugar. Won't risk it.... -
I can't find an answer on how long to wait after a Gastric Sleeve to have a drink. I've seen answers from one month to six months to never. I will speak to my nutritionist tomorrow, but I was looking for a quicker answer because of a work event this evening.
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I'm Not Alone Or Am I? Smoking???
♕ajtexas♕ replied to KLEE3's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Be sure your surgeon knows you smoke. The best would be to quit before your surgery, but if your surgeon is aware and willing, then take it from there. As for alcohol, it is empty calories. I choose to have a glass of wine every evening. It was the one treat I didn't want to give up. I count the calories and work it into my 1200 calorie diet. Some doctors say no alcohol, mine didn't so check with your doctor. As for your emotional eating, the band WILL NOT help you there! You will have to battle that demon yourself. I would recommend counselling to help address the emotional issues. When I got my band I decided my life had to change completely......and it did. Now my food choices are healthy, there is NO junk food in my house anymore, I exercise daily (wow, never thought I would say that) and most importantly food does not control me....I control it. Good luck on your journey. -
Seems like my tolerance for alchohol has diminished since being banded. I had a couple of glasses of wine a few weeks ago and did not eat much. That old feeling of the room spinning and saliva buildup in my mouth came back. I was lucky, no barfing. Hope you're alright and learn your lesson. I think I've learned mine. But, you know, this alcohol thing can rear it's ugly head out of nowhere so being a person in a glass house, I won't throw stones your way
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A lot of it has to do with your metabolism has changed. Also, alcohol is a can have a diuretic effect so it's calories, but you might urinate more, and in effort to make up for it, your body is processing stuff differently. Calories in, calories out, pushing Protein and fluids. The closer to your goal, you might find that you have to tweak your intake even more. I had the same issue as I was getting close to goal and trying to get my losing to slow down. You're building muscle which in turn burns fat stores, and takes up less space in the body. You've done great, and for me, there was no rhyme of reason as to the number of the scales, I never stalled, lost consistently and never questioned it. I just kept going until it was maintenance. That's when the real work begins on this journey.
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Week One: Clear Liquids & Protein Shakes Week Two: Full Liquids Weeks Three & Four: Soft Foods Weeks Five & Six: Modified Regular Diet (soft regular foods & soft carbs, if you choose to eat them) Week Seven: Soft fruits w/o skin, ground meat, and moist chicken/turkey Week Eight: Raw & Crunchy fruits/veggies with skin, nuts, seeds, and dried fruit Week 12: Dense meat (like steak), and caffeine and alcohol (if you choose to partake)
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I don't think you are dumping either. While sleeve patients can get dumping (like me) none of the foods you listed should cause it. You may be having issues with the protein shakes. They give me the terrible shits too. Check and see if there are any sugar alcohols in your brand. If so change brands. In fact, just change brands. Or don't use them. Protein shakes can really give you the runs. Just focus on your liquids for now and soon you will be able to eat some soft proteins that won't give you the shits. You won't hurt yourself for being low on protein for a little while, trust me. Also maybe ditch the sugar free jello.
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I suppose we all handle this subject differently. I am not a death row inmate of course, but rather am looking at this time as if I am losing my BFF. And, right now I know I can eat whatever I want and how much I want while fully knowing this is "stinkin' thinkin". I just wanted other peoples perspectives and how they handled such a controversial experience. Personally, this isn't the first time I have experienced a indulgence loss. 17 years ago I quit smoking cold turkey and I didn't smoke a carton my last few days, I simply just quit. 2 years ago I quit alcohol, now that was hard. So you say, if you can quit those then what's the problem? I don't know, except that food is a necessity and we can't live without it I guess. Thanks for you post.
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Methadone maintenance and gastric sleeve
klk1959 replied to marina322's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I work in drug and alcohol treatment but that being said, the person to ask is your surgeon. One thing I have seen done with pregnant women on higher doses because of the fetus, is split dosing. Split dosing might improve what is absorbed because you're taking a smaller amount. Also, have you considered converting over to Suboxone? Since it's a film, it might resolve the problem your concerned about. -
Many docs do alcohol/drug screening, it's normal and standard.
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Yea I suck I know. I went from food addiction to alcohol. Goes to my belly. I'm trying so hard to get a grip. Thanks for the responses lol Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using the BariatricPal App
