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Hey Debi! You'll probably get some varied responses on that, because different people follow different dietary regimes, i.e. no-fat/low-fat/full fat (for those on ketogenic diets), meat/vegetarian, and on and on. Personally, I'm all about getting in that Protein any way possible, so adding a little extra protein to your eggs...all good as far as I'm concerned. As long as you still watch how much, and don't advance too quickly, should be fine. And if your body decides, nope, that's not happening, just listen to it. Turkey sausage is leaner, but be careful because it also tends to be more dry...and I found dry meat will not go down for me, so I did/do 1 regular sausage link...not every day, but when I feel I need to get some more dense calories in to let my body know I'm not starving it. Sent from my SM-G928V using the BariatricPal App
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Resources for Meal Planning / Prepping? Dealing with head hunger?
theantichick replied to mari.beth's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
There are a multitude of reasons people choose not to eat meat, or certain kinds of meat, and all are valid. She stated that she is a pescatarian, which means she eats fish. She may also be lacto-ovo which would mean she drinks milk and eats eggs. But even if she's not lacto-ovo, I don't think we should be trying to convince her to eat meat when she has religious/moral/health reasons for not. I am no longer vegetarian, but was raised that way for religious reasons (we were lacto/ovo/pescatarian in practice) and I can assure you that there are MANY ways to get plenty of protein without eating meat. There are a number of high protein foods that are not animal-based. http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-4771/10-Vegan-Sources-of-Protein.html To the OP: I have been trying to find meal planning help with my own food issues, and have found that in general the options are not very good. There's tons of recipe ideas here in the recipe section and on Pinterest, but not a lot of information about how to plan meals especially if you're planning to do once-a-week or once-a-month cooking. There are resources for OAW/OAM cooking, but it's with their recipes and doesn't offer a lot of insight as to how to put your own recipes in place of theirs. If you search once-a-week or once-a-month cooking, and read enough of the books/resources, there are basic principles you can apply. Like which kinds of food freeze well, which are good for make-ahead, etc. I personally have found it very hard to implement from scratch. But if you dig enough you can find them. I will offer that if you're doing low-carb, you shouldn't worry overmuch about fat. The concept of low-carb requires a higher fat content than in a "normal" diet. I wouldn't go overboard, but since you don't eat red meat, your fat options are going to tend to be the "healthy" fats, so I really wouldn't worry much about that. Also, I advise getting some clarification around "only 3 meals" a day. Post-op, your intake at a sitting will be so little that I don't believe only allowing 3 meals a day is wise. My instructions are to eat every 3-4 hours. Many of the people here who have 3 meals only as instructions, were allowed 2-3 Protein Drinks outside of those 3 meals as "snacks". Others are told 3 meals with 2 or 3 low calorie high protein Snacks. Good luck! If I remember when I get home (feel free to PM me to remind me) I can post some of the OAW/OAM resources I've found. -
Resources for Meal Planning / Prepping? Dealing with head hunger?
eliminnowp replied to mari.beth's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Try pinterest for low carb and vegetarian recipes. Sometimes you might have to make substitutions. For example, spiralized zucchini in place of Pasta or veggie "fake" meat crumbles in place of ground beef. Once you have some recipes you like, meal planning and prepping just takes some basic organization. Pick a day of the week to come up with your plan for the week, your grocery list , and shop. Some people like to cook a bunch of stuff all on one day, then portion it out into tupperware for each day of the week. Personally I usually take a less regimented approach. I cook each day, and the leftovers of dinner become lunches for the rest of the week or go in the freezer. Sometimes I will make a big crockpot dish on Sunday and portion it out. I'm not a vegetarian, so I don't have a ton of advice on recipes for you, but there are people who make it work with wls. (I do love all the frozen Morningstar vegetarian items at my grocery). There is a food and nutrition section in the main forums on here that might help. I've also run into vegetarian wlsers on reddit and youtube so those might be places to look for suggestions. What were your main sources of Protein pre-op? Or did you become vegetarian post-op? -
@@tearsofapache, I'm sorry to hear about your budget. It definitely cost a lot. Maybe you can have Greek yogurt for Protein, you may need to get on some assistance for a while until you can do a little better. Hopefully, family and friends can help you out for a while. @@Madea61, I'm vegetarian, but for starters, you will need to see a nutritionist and start reading food labels. Make sure you have meat, protein, eggs, Greek yogurt, low sugar or less than 8g, low fat less than 8g, low carb less than 8g, and lots of veggies. And, have at least 64oz of Water per day. Say good bye to processed food and bread. It will help on the long run.
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Resources for Meal Planning / Prepping? Dealing with head hunger?
mari.beth posted a topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Maybe I have just not figured out how to search the forums very well, but I am surprised that I have found so few posts about meal prepping / planning. I know this sounds pathetic, but I honestly thought the nutritionist fees that were part of my "package" would result in nutritional support that was more helpful. The post-surgery visits have basically involved the nutritionist/ nurse handing me papers with a list of what is okay to eat and what is not okay to eat. I envisioned that nutritional support would involve helping me plan meals tailored around my needs (I am pescatarian). I feel stupid because I cannot find any materials or supports for meal prepping/ planning (just general "do eat" / "don't eat" guidelines). I am almost 5 months out and have been at the same weight for about a month (60 pounds down, but holding still). I am supposed to only eat three meals and get 60+ grams of Protein, <30 grams of fat, and between 30-60 grams carbs. I have found myself wanting to snack but figuring out healthy, meatless options that are not high fat (e.g., cheese, peanuts) has been a struggle. I have read a couple of books that had a few ideas and I have joined the WLS Vegetarians Facebook page, but I feel like I am looking for help that does not exist. I feel like I am struggling to figure out a plan so that I don't yield to whatever is on hand when I am feeling hungry. I would like to meal prep for a week at a time, but a lot of the ideas I have found for that are high in carbs or contain meat. Is there a way to get help with meal prepping/ planning (real help - not just "here is your list of what to eat.")? Do you know of resources that have daily meal plans? Tips and tricks for retraining my brain away from head hunger also will be appreciated. -
"Some of my faves - Chia seeds are great, can sprinkle them in everything, 2 T equal 6g of Protein. Tempeh = 16g per 3 oz serving. Black Beans 7.6g per half cup. Peanuts are 7g per 1/4c (or 2T peanut butter), cashews are 5g per 1/4c. Lentils and lima beans are up there too but I don't like those too much hehe. I LOVELOVELOVE lentils and limas...I eat lentils 3 or 4 times a week, with curry spices or onions or tomatoes. I adore them. I love limas too but they don't love me...do you think it could be the skins on them? Thanks to you and your suggestion a while back about kefir, I bought some at Whole Foods and loved drinking it. It had been a while since I'd had any, so I wanted to give it a trial run before I bought the grains to make it myself. And tell me how you prepare tempeh? I can get it at our military grocery store, surprisingly, so I'm willing to give it a shot." _____________ Yeah, it may be the skins on them . Wow, great to hear you are drinking kefir! It's so so so good for our gut health. Tempeh can be substituted for ground beef in any recipe, just crumble it in your recipe as you would ground beef. Some like to broil it with a layer of cheese or put it in Soups, chilis, salads or stews. I remember seeing a vegetarian tempeh chili recipe once. Like Tofu (it's just the fermented sibling of tofu hehe), it takes on the taste of whatever you use as spices. Found this page, I'll probably try some of these too. http://www.crazyvegankitchen.com/15-of-the-best-vegan-tempeh-recipes/
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You look wonderful! I hope you feel really good since all of the weight loss. Are you continuing to take your Vitamins? When you mentioned that you don't drink your Protein, that concerns me because I do since I'm a vegetarian. I do eat cheese, eggs, tofu, and almonds. I haven't had my surgery yet.@@tpoor25
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Post surgery vegan chewable vitamins
Canoodley replied to vegbeth's topic in Vegetarian or Vegan Eating
I've been looking for the same. This isn't a chewable, but it's definitely vegan and apparently the pill is super-tiny: http://www.devanutrition.com/vegan-tiny-tablets-multivitamin-mineral.html Nature's Plus makes two vegetarian chewable multis, and I can't figure out why they're not vegan, but they don't list them as vegan (I haven't contacted them to clarify this, but I would if I were thinking of purchasing them). This one by Country Life might be vegan as well? You could try a children's vegan chewable multi-Vitamin which are easier to find, and take a larger dose as directed by your health care provider, supplementing with more Iron or B12 or other elements as needed (these are also easier to find as vegan chewables on their own). You could also utilize an 'all-on-one' Protein drink that includes Vitamins and minerals (though some don't contain iron). My favourite is Progressive VegEssentials All-In-One in the natural vanilla flavour. It's really good mixed with Water and one or two tablespoons of frozen orange juice concentrate. Their vegan protein powders are the best-tasting and least-gritty I've found. (P.S. That's a beautiful ginger kitty you've got there. I used to have a giant, floofy ginger boy. Now all my floofs are grey.) -
Any succesful vegans or vegetarians
highfunctioningfatman replied to Alistmurf's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I personally know a vegetarian vsg patient. She was reasonably successful for about 50 pounds but she hasn't dropped lower. She gets in her fluids but nowhere near the protein and she is always dragging butt. She is glad for the 50 pounds but the tradeoff for her is that it is extremely difficult to be active. -
Any succesful vegans or vegetarians
Hazel_eyez replied to Alistmurf's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
FB has vegan and vegetarian bariatric support group and it is closed if you like your privacy. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using the BariatricPal App -
Ideas for non-meat proteins?
theantichick replied to ShelterDog64's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Morningstar stuff and Loma Linda brand meat substitutes are pretty good. I grew up vegetarian, and found some of my old childhood favorites (Loma Linda Big Franks) on Amazon. My sleeve is really liking the TVP, it sits better than meat for me. My only problem is that my family thinks it's gross, and even though I'm not asking them to eat it, they moan and complain anytime they "have" to watch me eat it. LOL. Seriously, meat substitutes don't taste like meat (IMHO) but if you don't expect that, if you let them taste like their own thing, they're pretty good. Granted, a lot of them look and smell like pet food, but once you cook it, it gets better. -
Ideas for non-meat proteins?
eliminnowp replied to ShelterDog64's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I am not a vegetarian but I LOVE all of the morningstar farms meatless frozen products, especially the griller- style "burgers" the buffalo "chik" patties and the "sausage" patties. The grillers have 15 g of Protein. Slap on a slice of reduced fat cheese, reduced sugar ketchup, and some pickle relish and you've got a quick tasty meal with lots of protein. Sent from my SM-J700P using the BariatricPal App -
Any succesful vegans or vegetarians
Alistmurf posted a topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I'm wondering if there are any succesful vegans or vegetarians. If so how does your diet look and do you have issues getting in your protien? I just watched food choices on Netflixand it was eye opening. -
Good morning, BP! Over the last few weeks, my stomach has been rejecting meat in most forms...I can eat a little bit of fish, and maybe a bite of chicken, but nothing else. I'm consuming a lot of dairy and doing fine getting my Protein in, but I know some of you are vegetarians or vegans and may have some ideas for protein that I haven't thought of. What's out there beyond cheese and Beans? My dietitian suggested textured vegetable protein, but the smell kills me...I can't put it in my mouth. I should probably try it in tomato sauce? Anyway, any suggestions would be appreciated. I've lost 71 lbs and hope to reach my goal by the end of January, so I'm in the home stretch. My bmi is now just overweight instead of obese, and I really think I'm going to make it to goal...I just need a little push and some new Proteins might be just the thing
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Animal Based Protein Problem
theantichick replied to busybeebug's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
My sleeve seems to go in cycles. Eggs didn't go well at first, now they're fine. Some days the Protein shakes sit like a rock, other days meats tend to. I was raised vegetarian, and ate a lot of the Loma Linda (http://lomalindabrand.com/) and Worthington (which I just found out got bought out by Loma Linda) products. On a whim I ordered a couple of cans of stuff I liked as a kid from Amazon and am finding that they are sitting MUCH better in my sleeve. Might be worth a try. Fair warning: vegetarian meat replacements don't taste like meat. They don't have the texture of meat. Don't expect them to. If you treat them like their own food product and don't expect them to taste like the meat they replace, they can be quite good, though some people never get used to the smell/taste/texture. -
First off I will contact my doctor. However I want to hear from you guys on this and how you dealt with it. I was able to eat meat, like steaks chicken, lean pork, ground meats up until about week ago. I'm not sure why but now animal Based Proteins hurt or sit like a rock in my stomach. Its,taking an hour or more for that heaviness pain to go away. I hate that feeling. I am chewing throughly, taking my time eating, serving the proper portion for this stage of my diet. I've even just ate a couple of bites and still had the feeling. I've been trying to eat plant based proteins and or depend on my genepro. Since I don't really have an experience on eating a vegetarian style, I'm struggling. I Pintrest recipes and read up on it however I worry if I am going to eat too many carbs or not get enough protien . My team pushes eating good proteins pretty hard. I do understand why. I just don't get how I can go from eating and tolerating to not being able to. I was sleeved 9/19/16. No real issues other than the normal bitching and moaning newly sleeved folks grapple with. I appreciate your input. Thanks
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Hi all As the title says, what will you have for Christmas dinner? Given the limited amount we all eat and that each meal is something special I was wondering what everyone will have? I don't have a clue for myself yet and being a vegetarian makes it even more interesting than usual. Martin.
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I think people get so lost in the protein first rule that they forget that vegetables are a vital part of our diet. They have so many good nutritional qualities and aid in good brain function & memory. Yes, protein is essential for helping us feel fuller for longer, aiding in muscle and tissue repair etc, but I'm a true believer that our diets should be varied and include fruits, vegetables, and healthy, natural whole foods. (Just look at all the sleeved vegetarians getting their protein sources from veg etc). Your body may not like the fruit? But I can't imagine you would gain weight from non starchy vegetables. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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Approx 60% don't follow the post-op plan
Nymea replied to Joypod's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
I am almost 4 months post op and started off with good intentions to stick rigidly to the plan ... not that my surgeon or nut actually gave me a full eating plan, just one for the first 5 weeks and then "guidelines" to help with a healthy lifestyle moving forward. What I have found since surgery however, is that surgically reduced stomachs don't read nutritional plans. So you may have a plan that states x amount of Protein per meal and x amount of vegies etc, but that doesn't mean your stomach is going to agree with it. Since my surgery I have found protein is the hardest thing for my stomach to cope with. I try and make sure I have some at each meal, but I doubt if I manage the number of grams that some plans recommend. ( I should perhaps mention I was a vegetarian pre op so that might make a difference to protein tolerance). Having said that I have had my first lot of blood tests and everything came back normal. My surgeon says my weight loss is on target - whatever that means since he never gave me any solid goals to meet. I eat healthy, yes once or twice tried something I shouldn't and instantly regretted it and am moving on with an eating plan I find I can cope with on a daily basis. I stick to mainly fresh fruit and vegetables, chicken and fish and a small amount of dairy (limited by lactose intolerance). I don't stress about numbers - not calories nor nutrient grams. I am learning to listen more to my body and finding I feel much healthier for it as well as the weight coming off easily. This suits me and my body ... yours might be different and require different things. -
Disgusted/grossed out by meat
tdia13 replied to missmickeyd's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I have Ben s vegetarian for years. I have even considered going vegan now that I have had my sleeve surgery. Remember that you can get Protein in other ways. Contact your nutritionist and get some ideas. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App -
Post surgery vegan chewable vitamins
2ndSpring replied to vegbeth's topic in Vegetarian or Vegan Eating
When I was getting everything ready for surgery, I spent like an hour in whole foods in the Vitamin aisle. There are a lot of vegan/vegetarian Vitamins there. You may have to take separate vitamins to get the doses you need according to your labs. I am taking a chewable multi, liquid D drops and sublingual B12 right now. For the Vitamin D.... D2 is from yeast or plant sources, while D3 is usually from lanolin. this is a bummer because D2 is supposedly not readily absorbed by the body. After much consideration and soul searching, I decided to take the D3 because my blood levels were super low. -
I'm semi-vegetarian, pescetarian - I eat fish and eggs but no meat. I have to stay away from dairy too because I'm lactose intolerant. I'm a week away from transitioning to whole foods and still on soft food but here are some meal ideas. At each meal I have one of 3 proteins: eggs, Beans or fish. - last night I adapted a recipe for lentil meatballs, haven't tried them yet, but they look good. Google NYT veggie balls. I omitted the parm and used chickpea flour instead of breadcrumbs, and almond meal instead of walnuts. (I made them soft by then leaving overnight in tomato sauce.) - omelette with 1 oz of sauteed veggies - premake the veggies for the week - like a batch of sauteed mushrooms, onions and spinach - chickpea flat bread - made with chickpea flour which is 100% beans, no grain. I make it thicker and cook it less than recipe so it stays soft - google chickpea bread and a ton of recipes will pop up. then I eat it with a side of veggies - poached fish in coconut curry sauce with 1 oz of veggies on the side. sooo easy, veg broth, a can of coconut milk and some curry paste in a deep frying pan. when at a simmer, add fish. As soon as I'm ok'd for solid food, I'll go back to roasting veggies like broccoli, cauliflower, fennel, asparagus, and brussels sprouts in the oven. I love the way they get caramelized and it is so easy, drizzle with olive oil and salt, put em in the oven and walk away. In the meantime, I've been boiling or steaming veggies and then drizzling them with a tsp of flavored olive oil - i have a lot of flavors: garlic, lemon, rosemary, cilantro. There is an olive oil store near me and the quality and flavor are great.
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So post surgery I am just not liking meat. I've tried everything. Can't do it. Tomatoes, lettuce, olives, pickles,.......veggies, just veggies in general is what I crave. Any vegetarians out there wish to share your plan with me? Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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There's also Greek yogurt and if you eat cheeses, cottage cheese as well as eggs all have lots of protein. Using protein powders and they have ones for vegetarians too. All kinds of beans out there to make soups, chili and food with, also hummus is a great goto snack
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Ricotta bake is a delicious, soft, vegetarian option. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
