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@@Alex Brecher Thank you for the link. I read through it once, and will do some more reading on it. This quote below was my introduction to GENEPRO science when I started looking into it after my nutritionist recommended it to me. It was written by a person claiming to be Brian Parks, the owner of Genepro. "What makes Genepro so unique is that we are able to reduce the Protein molecule to half the size of normal protein through a process called Electrophoresis. This is a reverse electrical polarity method of extracting pure protein. In essence we take protein molecules that, for reference, are the size of a baseball. We push these baseball sized protein molecules through a Polyacrylamide gel (the gel stays below 87 degrees F) and introduce electricity through the gel. This process removes hydrogen ions, allergens and any fillers or binders so we are able to then bind the protein with a strand of six amino acids called a Hexapeptide which stabilizes the molecular structure. This hexapeptide increases shelf life of the protein as well as balancing the bitter taste that is present with the protein after electrophoresis and actually gives the protein a slightly sweet undertone. The protein is pushed through a filtration system and into a centrifuge which results in a pure protein molecule that is now the size of a golf ball (for reference). You may not be able to fit 30 baseballs into a shoe box but you can fit 30 golf balls. Thus giving us the ability to get 30grams of protein in a 1TBS serving size." The older term for this is "snake oil". I am not a scientist, but I do know that we do not possess the technoloy to compress molecules to "half their size" and keep them chemically the same. We can certainly remove parts of molecules to make them smaller, but then it ain't the same molecule anymore. Electrophoresis does indeed have the ability to separate molecules by size. It has no efficacy for changing the sizes of molecules. There are several possible conclusions that can be drawn from this. One, this poster is not who he claims to be. Two, this poster does not understand the process he is trying to describe. Three, this poster is misrepresenting the facts. The content is consistent with what I read in other places though, so I am inclined to take it as their official policy. Now we have the "as good as" double asterisk after the claim. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. When someone starts out with a shovel as large as the one used above, I am already skeptical. You posted a clinical study. That is a start, but the sample size and the run time are very likely statistically insignificant. The number of variables here are incredible, with no real system for controls, at least according to what I read. Twenty people over six weeks isn't much of a sample, particularly when you consider how that sample was gathered and apparently monitored. I googled Medfitrx, which is apparently the organization which conducted the study. They appear to be local to the Genepro people (not a huge issue) and appear to be, in their words, "Your one stop shop for diets, supplements, workouts and more that are designed by your genetics for you. # science." That is about as big a red flag as can be possible as far as I can tell. There are very official looking numbers, .gov, and other impressive terms sprinkled about the study pages, but it all looks just a teeny bit suspect to me. Then again, I am old enough to remember clinical studies sponsored by the tobacco companies that proved smoking cigarettes was not bad for you. @@Sai My nutritionist recommended Genepro to me immediately following my surgery. She said it was great stuff. She liked it, the doctors liked it. So I went out and bought it. After all, they know. This is their profession. They went to school for this stuff, right? I bought a can, brought it home, and started using it. Then I got to comparing scoop sizes with my other stuff. Then I started reading things like what I posted above. Then I had my next appointment with my nutritionist. So I asked her what her experience with Genepro was, exactly. "We've been recommending it for a while. People really like it." "Have you done any research, or is there any research concerning their claims?" "Uh, I know the doctors really like it." "How much reading and research do you think they may have done?" She actually snorted in laughter and said, "Probably not much!" Please keep in mind I was not trying to trap her, or back her into some sort of corner. I was honestly seeking information. I asked her open, non leading questions to start and these were the answers. So I got a little more detailed. "Can you tell me how they can fit 30 grams into a 15 gram (ml) volume which has a weight of 4 grams? "No." Do you think the doctors can tell me?" "I doubt it." "Is there any research out there independent of their own claims and publications?" "I am not sure." This is the response from my nutritionist at my program. I have no idea how other nutritionists might respond because I have not interacted with them. However, when I take this experience into account with everything above, it all appears to be supported on a very shaky foundation. There is plenty of anecdotal information from happy customers, but consensus does not equal fact. If people want to buy and consume this stuff, they have every right to do so. I am going to remain very skeptical until I see some solid, independent information that has been demonstrably gathered and sifted for reliability.

From the GENEPRO website: "The combination of the Tri-Protein and the way it is processed along with the addition of protease enzymes, allows for the equivalent of a 30gram** (we haven't broken the laws of physics with getting a 15g weight to equal 30g in weight but with the absorbability/bioavailability value of Genepro Gen2 you are getting the equivalent of the same 30g serving size of regular whey protein) serving of protein with only a 1 TBSP serving size." They also recently published a Genepro Gen2 Clinical Study.

No need to do that. I mean, you can but you don't have to. The science is sound. Purified Protein is nothing new, and because they add a mixture of enzymes to increase the bio-availablity, it is equivalent to 30g and a great product. Sorry for the nerd talk, but I've been a biochemist and purifying & analyzing Proteins for a very long time. Their competitors have been going on youtube and bodybuilding forums to try to slander them. Apparently people believe them but doctors know, NUTS know, which is why they often suggest GENEPRO. I've been using it from the beginning as my main protein supplement and my protein labs are perfect every time.

I need ideas of what I can put this GENEPRO Protein in...please help! "We're On This Journey Together!"

I love love GENEPRO it is the only unflavored I have used that is definitely nonflavored!! You can order online, but I also was told that GNC stores carry it. But not the one we have here in our town.

The GENEPRO isn't thick at all.

I have the unflavored GENEPRO that has 30grams Protein per serving and do very well in it. I have put it in decaf coffee, Powerade, even mixed it in some sugar free Jello. To me it does change the taste/texture minimally, but not in a displeasing way. There is no way I could get my protein in without it. DS surgery 12/14/2016

Hi, premier protien shakes 30 grams are good. They just came out with banana and caramel. Atkins 20 grams has some drinks that are good too. I was also told about genepro powder 30 grams odorless, tasteless and can be mixed in hot and cold into anything. I found it in one of my GNC'S or else they have it online. Good luck.

I am getting 60-65. I don't drink shakes anymore. I can't tolerate them. They make me so sick. I eat cottage cheese, eggs, Greek yogurt, GENEPRO Protein powder, chicken , salmon and fair life milk. How much did your Dr tell you to get in? Are you on normal foods yet? Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App

Hi, I am 3 and1/2 years out from my RNY. I have been very successful with my WLS. I went down to 117#'s which low for me. I am 5.4 and I have maintained my WL at 125#'s for 2 and 1/2 years. I would really hate to know how much money I have spent trying to find a good Protein. I like ATKINS, or Muscle Milk powdered Banana flavor and gramcracker flavored. I took 1/2 scoop of each with 1 cup of Almond milk ( I became Lactose Intolerant) with a 1/2 a banana and 2 or 3 ice cubes blended. Myoplex rich dark chocolate is good also. But my saving grace is GENEPRO unflavored protein which I have heard that GNC carries it but I order mine online. It is the best I have found. I am a big coffee drinker so I add a scoop to my espresso and BAM 30grams of protein. If I was you I wouldn't buy too much protein at first because so many people have their taste change after surgery. Good Luck! I look forward to following your journey.

@@JodiT140 - @@OutsideMatchInside pretty much got it right. According to the makers of GENEPRO, they have reduced the size of the Protein molecule ala "Honey I Shrunk The Kids" magic. Then they say that what they really did was make a protein that absorbs so fast that it is "like" eating 30 grams of protein. Which again is horseshit. Another problem I have is that there is no verified independent study of the stuff. There are people on this board that swear by it because their blood test came back good after their 6 month or whatever. However unless you are talking more than a year, that could be from breaking down their own muscle tissue or the fact that they are getting the minimum needed from their diet to be in the normal range. Genepro is pretty much just BCAA's (amino acids that build proteins). That would leave protein markers in the bloodstream. But lets just say for a moment that it did exactly as it advertised. It gave you 30 grams of magical protein with only 90 calories. If you are trying to build muscle, believe it or not you are going to need the calories. You can't build new muscle tissue if you don't have enough raw material to prevent atrophy. Genepro would be of no use to anyone wanting to build muscle because it doesn't contribute to a caloric surplus.

Genepro claims 30 grams per serving. The only problem is, each serving is 15 grams by volume, and 4 grams by weight. You can't put two pounds of poop in a one pound bag. They claim to reduce the size of the molecules. I can pretty much guarantee if they had that kind of tech, they would be doing something more lucrative than peddling Protein powder.

Why do you think Genepro is crap. I'm shopping for a flavorless protein. I'm read reviews but still undecided. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using the BariatricPal App

GENEPRO is crap. You want to have Protein traces in your blood for the check ups, that's fine. You want to maintain or build muscle, use whey. Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

Get some unflavored Protein powder - I have GENEPRO & unjury chicken. I add the chicken flavors to chicken broth or Soups. The genepro mixes in other soups (be careful of the temperature), yogurts, cottage cheese, puddings, coffee, teas too. Try adding the Premier Protein (4 ounces) into some coffee and Fairlife protein milk is also good. I'm almost 3 Months out and these have helped me meet my protein goals. smoothie king also has a gladiator protein that I enjoy on occassion. I have tried the nectar protein but don't care for them very much. Sent from my SM-G920V using the BariatricPal App

I'm losing muscle mass as well, but I knew I would. I get 80-90g of Protein daily, but with the calorie restriction it's inevitable that we're going to lose muscle mass. You just have to do what you can do mitigate it somewhat, and that's by getting 90g or more of protein and weight training. Sounds like you need to boost your protein intake a bit, I'd get some of the flavorless protein like GENEPRO and mix it with things like chili, etc... Or just a drink. It's 30g of protein in one TBSP serving, so it's a big help. Also, a VERY common misconception on this board is the "carbs are bad, mmkay?" They're not. In fact, a big part of the reason the body catabolizes muscle tissue for energy is a lack of other easy sources. Fat is not an easy source of energy for the body...it's the slowest place for it to pull energy from, actually. Before you lift, you should consume a good amount of carbs. Then protein after. Your body will pull energy from the carbs you ate, and use the protein for muscle maintenance. The good thing is, muscle has memory and when we reach our weight loss goals and can switch to a slight caloric surplus to add muscle mass, it will come back on more quickly than it would for someone who never had it.

I go in on the 4th. I don't technically have a pre-op diet but have decided to put myself on one. So I start officially tomorrow. My thought is be prepared, high protien, lower my calories. One small lean protien & vegetable meal. No carbs unless in my protien shakes. Found Atkins protien drinks, 20g protien and they're not bad. Premier protien drinks 30g protien, also have genepro. Sugar free popsicles, jello, pudding, fudgesicles, cottage cheese, water! Trying to stay between 800-1000 calories. First night of Chanukah I'm going to have a patato latke (my only carb) and Christmas day I'm having a small piece of Prime Rib. (No red meat for a long time so I'm having my last fix, lol) I'm thinking this can only help me. So, best of luck to you...We got this! This is the start of something beautiful, the best is yet to come. Happy Holidays.

I had DS on 12/14. I have to get 80-100grams of Protein a day. The only way I get close is with my GENEPRO. It is almost completely unflavored and mixes well. I put one scoop in 4oz of anything (Powerade, Vitamin Water, milk, decaf tea) and get 30g protein from the 4oz drink. I mixed it in warm broth yesterday. Not sure I would be able to do it without it. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App

I am going on my 6th week post op. I can eat anything except raw veggies at this time. I am on the road all day seeing patients. So I bring cottage cheese, yogurt, and bring GENEPRO Protein to add to this. I can't tolerate shakes anymore. I don't know what to bring to eat!! I don't want to keep eating dairy and cheese all the time. I also don't want lunch meats as I know they are highly processed. I don't have access to a microwave. Any ideas what to take for lunches or small meals for the day? Thank you! Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App

GENEPRO tasteless Protein powder has no texture- try that! Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App

Well, now don't do as I do but...I measured out my SWEET CREAM and my Half and Half. Make my espresso and the total calories are 140. I also add a Tablespoon of GENEPRO. So my total Protein is drum roll!!! 34grams of protein. So again it is a win- win for me because I would drink my coffee anyhow.

Honestly I didn't stick to using SF anything. Prior to surgery I knew it made me sick. I was able to do the protien shakes shakes for a little bit but when I went to post op I couldn't tolerate it. I use Genepro for protien boosts but I try to get the protien through Foods (unprocessed or minimally processed)

I use GENEPRO unflavored Protein powder in my coffee every day. It is a WIN WIN for me. I love love my coffee and GENEPRO has 30 grams of protein in a Tablespoon. Now I know some peeps don't think GENEPRO has 30grams but I love it, as I am 3 years out and still struggle with getting all of my protein in. Good Luck

I'm having the Black Bean Soup now and it is really good! For the first time I feel like I'm actually eating! It has a good bit of black pepper in it so that's going to make it hard waiting to drink my water! I know I'm not going to hit my Protein goal today at all. I wanted to try the soup before adding the GENEPRO to it first to make sure I like it! I will try adding a scoop at dinner tonight!

I'm two weeks and two days out and have just barely lost 5 pounds. I'm not really ever hungry- mostly just mental cravings I think. I've been eating Soup pretty religiously and now added FF plain Greek yogurt and FF/SF pudding, adding in GENEPRO Protein powder get me to 60g of protein. On my worst day I'm still eating less than 800 calories. Not sure why more isn't coming off, but my doctor didn't seem too concerned. I've got to believe that it'll come off soon, right? Note: I did lose 50 pounds pre-surgery but not sure if or how that would affect me post-op.