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I NEED TO SWEAR OFF SWEETS! I've been trying, but the devil has me by the tastebuds!! All day long at work I was climbin the walls NEEDING chocolate. I mean in a nearly violent way... It's so sad. I've purged my house of junk sweets. I can't even keep Peanut Butter cause I'll sit here and eat the whole jar! Same thing with the pancake syrup. I equate it to an alcoholic drinking mouthwash for what little alcohol is in it. Its a serious sickness. A few weeks ago I took up crochet. I'm self taught and have whipped up 5 1/2 scarves so far. It keeps my mind and hands busy, it's hypnotizing. BUT tonight I'm sitting here working on a scarf for my mom (yarn is multicolored - shades of light pink, pink, tan, and light green) I'm craving sugar so badly that everytime the yarn color transitions from pink into the tan I think of slightly melted strawberry ice cream with chocolate syrup!!! I can even freaking taste it! So. In a mad mad dash to the kitchen I go. NO SWEETS! (except sugar free Jello which would take too long to set up and be edible) Then I came up with the idea of making cookie dough... I have flour, sugar, eggs, vanilla... all the stuff I need. And DAMMIT!!! I DON'T want to do it. If I make it up I'll sit here and eat cookie dough all night... Like I used to. My band doesn't seem to care if I eat cookie dough. Help?!?!
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Can we please talk about Starvation Mode for a minute?
OKCPirate replied to DeletedMember's topic in Rants & Raves
@ - thanks for the post, very interesting read. @@MaryCatherine Umm, no. I wish it was, but it really isn't that simple. It is a good model. But the problem is people take it too literally. Hormones affect this, the food type affects and individual responses to different types of calories actually makes a difference. Most interesting article I've seen on this subject is here: http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2013/10/cocktail-science-do-alcohol-calories-count-digesting-spirits.html To make matters more complicated, just try and figure out how many calories are in your home cooked dinner. We are just doing gross estimates. But all that said, it is not a bad indicator, just not perfect and I would caution about being too dogmatic. The reason I'm posting this is some people will say "I burned 3500 calories yesterday, but I didn't lose my pound." That's where this tool breaks down. You really have to log food/calories over a period of time. Your long term trend is what is most important. When you are honest with yourself, you will see when you started adding extra calories, and how that is affecting your weight...but that will only show up in the course of a month, not day by day. I hope I not discouraging people from keeping track of calories, carbs, fat and Protein. Just realize these are hardly perfect numbers. I am looking to stay around 1100 calories and 100g of protein (more on heavy workout days). This has kept my weight consistent for nearly 18 months. I am about ready to experiment with a 5/2 method of controlled fasting (very interesting idea brought up by @lipsticklady). All we can do is be very honest with ourselves with our tracking, and pay attention to the scale and if you are really serious with the calipers to see what your percentage of body fat is. All the scale and calorie charts really do is act as tools. Hmm, familiar theme, just as your sleeve is a tool, so are these. -
I have not experienced this but this is my sons exact story, only he was never overweight until now because of the pain. Find a different doctor and therapist. Chronic pain is real and many drs just dont feel like it needs addressing. There are many things you can. Your first step is finding a pain managment clinic to help with your pain. Next stay away from the alcohol. There are lots of calories in most alcohol. Next track your calories again. Do what exercises you can, even if its chair exercises just to be able to move. Its very difficult with back pain. You can do this, but you need the help of drs willing to help you. If a dr has a cavalier attitude about your pain , that is not the right dr for you.
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I’m with you about coffee and wine! Makes me feel like an alcoholic that it’s so hard for me to give up. Don’t have more than two glasses ever, but I used to have one a night after the boys went to bed. So it comes down to be fat and keep getting fatter or give up wine....I choose give up wine.
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Alcohol is a Transfer Addiction !!
Redsfan19 replied to BigHarleyGuy1's topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
I want to also add that I’m 9 years out and while I am not an alcoholic (I can be around alcohol without the urge to drink), it scared me how quickly alcohol hit after surgery and how often one glass hit like 3 used to. I quit pretty much all alcohol about 1.5 years ago now and am loving the growing mocktail and Non-Alcoholic Beer scene. If you feel out of control, it is not your fault and you can get help. -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
FluffyChix replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
I think maybe you and I have similar triggers. Dayum, I wouldn't wish that on anyone! haha! It really sounds like you're at burnout phase. ((hugs)) I think you should try doing your moderate approach to IF like 14-16hour fasts, then eat regularly, following your surgeon's rules: protein first, low glycemic veg and fat, plus carbs at the end if you still have room or want them and see how it goes. Quit ordering off the appetizer menu, quit ordering chicken if that's not what you want...And keep your cals in the 800-1000 range-ish. No beer or alcohol. *sniff* Cuz you know, misreh loves company! And keep track of it here! I think that's the cool thing about this thread is that we are kind of n=? how many are doing IF from this thread and we should all post our experiences so others might learn or have a light bulb moment. You know? I def think your weight gain is beer related and if you go clean for the next 3-4 days you will be down those 4 and who knows, maybe another one as well? UGGGGGH on the late night food runs! I swear I thought about you as we were sitting in Taco Bell last night. LOL. -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
FluffyChix replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
I had a hungry hungry heffer day yesterday. Gosh I felt like a bottomless pit!! I do feel pretty successful in navigating it though. Here's how I triumphed. I'm writing this down so that I remember it. (I did have a "slight" altercation with pita chips leftover from my birthday--but the up side is I managed to limit them to 9=1serving and combined them with a complex meal rather than just shoving them down my piehole slathered in butter or cheese--something guaranteed to make me hurl in 30 minutes or less.) 1. Managed to do an 18 hour fast yesterday. 2. Made great food choice for lunch. 3. Made an almost great food choice for dinner rather than eating a chili cheese coney with fries at the ballpark like I was craving--and which would have made me hurl in 30 minutes or less. 4. Limited my allotted popcorn at the park from 4 cups for the game to about 2 to maybe 2 1/2 cups (I guestimated on the high side at 3 cups). 5. No alcohol despite wanting a beer or a glass of wine. 6. Exceeded my fluid goals for the day mostly from water, green tea, black decaff coffee. 7. Exceeded my walking for the day with 12000+ steps + did upper body free hand weights and actually jogged for 2, 1 minute intervals. 8. Did not stop for fast food nonsense or a drink after the game like I was craving. 9. Did not eat a heavy meal cooked at home late night like I was craving. 10. Appeased myself with 2oz of PP in decaff as a "dessert/sleep aide" even though it was 11pm--that's better than a low carb breakfast taco with bacon egg and cheese!! Totals for the Day: 865 cals; 63g protein; 46g fat; 60g carbs; 11g fiber; 49g net carbs; 14g sugars Despite doing all those things I did wake up to a 2.2lb up-tick on the scale this morning. I'm sure it was cuz I had 60g of total carbs and about 49g net carbs for the day. My pattern is that I go down, hit a new low, then bounce around above that number before again stepping down to a new low. So it's a jagged, spiky stairstep in a downward progression. So I won't sweat it. I also know I have bad lymphedema in my left arm as of last night, and that may account for both pounds. So I will chill out about the scale and just live another dream day today. I'm only gonna do a 12/12 today and actually enjoy a brunch (homemade). I'll keep carbs lo-low and really munch the protein and see if that gets my hunger back in submission! Hope everyone is having a great weekend so far!!! Hugs all around!! -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
sillykitty replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
I'm dating someone right now who's good with sharing ... I never thought it would be such an important "pro". New check list: employed, 2 or less baby mamas, clean criminal background check, good sharer. I thought the same thing with the gain, I don't think travel edema, the trip wasn't too much different than what I do most weeks. Not salt, overall the food in was not overly salted, actually the opposite. But alcohol is very possible. I've had very little alcohol in the last 6 months, and certainly not alcohol everyday, and certainly not beer. It wasn't all true gain either, as you can see, I had a pretty steep drop in weight once I returned -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
sillykitty replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
Awfully quiet in here .... So, I'll start with the good news ... yesterday was a good IF day, ate within a 6 hr window and hit protein and supplements, but not fluids. I even went grocery shopping while fasting and stayed strong. (I rarely grocery shop anymore, either quick TJ's run, or have them delivered) So for the bad ... I'm just going to throw this weekend out the window. Met a friend for lunch, I had Fried Dumplings, Noodles w Black Bean Sauce (Jajangmyeon), Fried Shrimp w Chili Sauce & Cheese Corn (yeah, really called that). I'm currently making Bacon Wrapped Jalapeno Poppers for a Fight Night/Mexican Independence Day party tonight. There will be a taco guy there that makes authentic El Pastor, on the spit. There will be lots of alcohol, unsure if I will have any. And then tomorrow I have brunch plans, and am craving a Michelada. So basically, this weekend is f'd Oh, and I went grocery shopping, again (ran out of bacon for the poppers), and was not so strong. Combo of interesting items and cheap prices are my downfall, thanks Aldi! -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
sillykitty replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
That would require me behaving myself. Instead I've just gone off the rails, eating whatever my carb loving self desires. I sometimes try to focus on protein, like having my burgers protein style, or snacking on meat and cheese (those meat and cheese roll ups you can buy everywhere are great) It's all very strange. I came back from vacay with a new low weight. Not too unexpected due to all the walking I did. It went up slowly, which I was fine with. Was away for a full week with lots of poor choices + alcohol. I was pretty afraid to jump on the scale this morning, but found I lost two lbs (but still above my low weight) So for now, I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. I'll just log everything and weigh myself, and see how long this lasts. -
February 2019 weight loss buds
Everything replied to TheMarine79's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
2 pounds a week would be amazing. I was feeling all good about myself on Friday. Saturday I was weighing myself and my husband said “you’re not still losing weight are you!?”. He’s right! I’m really not. Down half a pound and then up a pound and down a pound and up half a pound... Much of this is my fault though. Much of this is alcohol. I have always been a drinker but I stopped for the surgery. Started drinking again a few weeks ago. Burned and was distasteful at first but then I found one wine that I could tolerate and worked myself up into FOUR drinks on Friday and four on Saturday! Nothing yesterday. Nothing today. But 4 glasses of wine is basically a bottle and that’s probably 1500 cal! I don’t know why I am self sabotaging... I’m blowing my chance at success but I’m trying to get back on track now! I’m impressed with your weight loss! I think you are doing amazing! -
February 2019 weight loss buds
Sheribear68 replied to TheMarine79's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
This!!! Omg, this! One good/bad thing the “house” psychologist did was to instill in each of us the paranoia that this honeymoon period is a one-time only reboot to the metabolism so don’t mess it up. Overall it’s good, because I don’t want to fall into the trap that I can still “cheat” and lose and I also don’t want to fall into the “other skinny people can eat like this” trap either. Kind of like recovering alcoholics, ex-smokers, or drug abusers, I am a fat person no matter what my current weight/size is. My brain and body will NEVER be able to handle food like many other people can. Having this surgery and the resultant weight-loss doesn’t change any of those facts just like a recovering alcoholic staying sober for years upon end doesn’t change the fact that one drink could put them back on the road to hell. Even though previous failures weren’t necessarily my “fault”, they are the reality of my past. It’s what my body does with food and i realize now that I’ve got to be as diligent as possible and still find a balance that I can live with for the rest of my life. It’s never going to be easy. I can never forget—even after I hit goal weight— that this will be a lifetime of daily choices to either keep me on track or derail me. -
February 2019 weight loss buds
Sheribear68 replied to TheMarine79's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Wow I have to admit that I’ve never had the foamies. I’m extremely lucky, I think. I’m the person who never threw up once during 2 pregnancies, never threw up once while on a year of chemo ( and I even held down a full-time job during) and has never once thrown up due to drinking too much alcohol. Much to nobodies surprise, I’ve not thrown up ( or even come close to it) during this procedure. I’ve got stomach cramps a few times, and that’s been when I’ve tried to push food and water too close, or when I’ve tried to eat something within 3 hours of awaking. For some reason my sleeve just doesn’t want food in it until at least 10am and preferably later. I’ve all but given up on breakfast because I can only get down 1/4 of the amt of food I can have at dinner and even something like a couple spoons of cottage cheese get stuck and I start to have spasms and light nausea. And if I’m feeling light nausea, I know it’s serious because I almost never feel nausea. -
I just don't know anymore ( Vent, sook )
faithmd replied to Phatty's topic in LAP-BAND Surgery Forums
Phatty, I am so sorry for your and your partner's loss. Losing a baby, no matter if you are in the first month, or the ninth month is very difficult. It is not the fault of the band. He is grieving as are you, and one of the stages in that grief is anger. You are both going through a tough time and need a chance to heal. The honest answer is that in most cases we do NOT know why women miscarry. It just happens, and I have to trust that it happens for a reason. I work in Neonatology (we take care of extremely sick and premature babies) and I can tell you from many years of experience, you can do EVERYTHING by the book, eat right, exercise right, avoid smoking, avoid alcohol, take no medications, and still have problems. You did not cause this intentionally. I do hope things get better for you, there are many loss groups out there, when you feel up to it you might want to look into them. Here's a link to one that has been around for a very long time, I hope that this helps in some way: http://www.nationalshareoffice.com/ -
Did your Doc require a pre-op diet?
restmgr985 replied to whosthatgirl's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
I went to Monterrey mexico for my surgery. It was done on Oct 10, 2008 by Dr Zapata. Ready4achange.com I didnt have any preop diet, ate what i wanted. i went out to eat the night before surgery for the "last supper" lol I had a big meal, and a couple drinks. he did want to limit alcohol intake prior to surgery but my surgery was scheduled late evening the next day. Surgery and recovery was a breeze. He did say walk alot after surgery to get rid of the excess gas that is incurred during surgery. i walked all night at the hospital and never had any gas pains. i never took any pain medicine either . I had surgery on wed night, went to the hotel thurs. flew home friday morning , i was back in new orleans for 9 am on friday and drove myself home from the hospital , the only pains i had was soreness when i was getting up out of a chair or out of bed . i am down 80# since surgery. just slow and steady. Ive had 4 fills. It is a little slow right now because i havent been walking like i should . Adrias Mier New Orleans 10/10/07 340/260/190 -
Cheated every day of 7 day pre op diet
Mrs. Reid replied to BeautifullyCreated1982's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I never ate off plan until I passed goal. I followed every instruction my doctor gave me. I have gotten 60g+ Protein and 64oz+ Water every day. (Except when I was so nauseous from a medication I was on for a C. diff infection that I couldn't even swallow my own spit...which of course led to dehydration and IV fluids at which point my doctor and I found an alternative solution to cure the infection. In other words, make sure you drink!). I take my Vitamins every day. I get my bloodwork done as recommended and adjust supplements accordingly. I am active everyday. I lost over 100% of my excess weight and have kept it off for 7 months. Sure, now I eat deserts and carbs and drink alcohol, but I'm in maintenance and I'm allowed anything and everything in moderation. Any weight gain I observe I immediately check by going back to strict protein and veggies. Dear God: Please make me as perfect as Kindle, -
Wanted to see what your program says about raw vegetables, bread and alcohol
Guest replied to fourmonthspreop's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Where did I say that? No, there's alcoholism. There's probably a lot less than what's usually assumed in America (sometimes, AA meetings aren't the solution to being a bad person/having a life that needs fixing), and a lot more than what's usually assumed in many parts of Europe (sometimes you're not fun, you're just a drunk). The truth is probably somewhere in between. -
Wanted to see what your program says about raw vegetables, bread and alcohol
pintsizedmallrat replied to fourmonthspreop's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
I had a VSG in September. I was permitted to have raw vegetables at three months, along with carbs. I haven’t had any issues with veggies but it does seem like the few times I’ve had “conventional carbs” like a piece of bread or a little pasta it hasn’t agreed with me so I avoid them (I make “sandwiches” with low carb or cauliflower tortillas, or on lettuce, when I want something like that.) Alcohol they told me to wait at least six months, preferably a year…I’ve had alcohol twice, and while I havent gotten ill or anything it is a lot of empty calories and I can’t have club soda, tonic water, diet soda as mixers or something like beer or White Claw because of the bubbles. Be warned; the first time you drink after that long and after losing six months worth of weight, it’s going to hit you much harder. Be careful. -
Wanted to see what your program says about raw vegetables, bread and alcohol
Guest replied to fourmonthspreop's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
... in America and other places We're actively encouraged to figure out our new tolerance in a safe environment, because it is assumed life will happen and with life, alcohol. Hence the cultural differences. -
Accountability thread for October Bandsters!
LeighaMason replied to kcg's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I know y'all are all going to be shocked but I stopped my nightly glass of wine about a week ago and I have lost 2 pounds in the last 3 days. It took 21 and 25 days to lose the last 2 pounds and now 2 pounds in 3 days. I found that my desire for a glass of wine was really a desire for a flavored drink. I usually drink a cup of black coffee in the morning and then just Water all day. When I stopped drinking wine I found myself wandering around the kitchen so I substituted a half bottle of G2 Gatorade (25 calories) and I was satisfied with that, so I really wasn't craving alcohol just a flavored drink. I start week 4 of my cross training tomorrow morning and that is going well so now I have hope again that the last 6 could be gone by my bandiversary. I hope everyone is doing well. -
Hi Dee, July 17 will be here for us fast. My pre-op is 6/28, then begin pre-op food plan July 7. I quit caffeine 3 days ago and it seems hardly worth it to make coffee anymore - so bland without the kick! But it's fun to play in the kitchen and try various concoctions of protein shakes, etc. Gave up on soda last January and quit alcohol last month. "It's just temporary," I tell myself!
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How Do You Prevent Replacement Addictions?
Alex Brecher posted a topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
You may already know about the risks of replacement addictions, or even be fighting them yourself. The theory is that food is an addiction for pre-op bariatric surgery patients. Weight loss surgery helps you break your addiction to food, but it leaves a hole and puts you at risk for other addictions ranging from drugs and alcohol to exercise. Replacement addictions may be more common than you realized. This article describes research that found that 21% of gastric bypass patients in one study developed alcohol abuse problems over the next seven years. That is one out of every five gastric bypass patients! Being aware of the risk can help you avoid the pitfalls. You can also try to prevent negative addictions, such as drugs and alcohol, with positive ones. For example, you can fill the “food void” by taking up a new hobby such as gardening or art, or spend more time volunteering or exercising. Are you concerned about replacement addictions? If you are a post-op patient, have you developed any? Have you taken any steps to prevent them? If you are a pre-op patient, have you been warned about them? Are you planning any steps to prevent them?- 5 replies
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@Luna222---I was told NO alcohol at all. The surgeon said it would be like pouring acid on an open wound. I do know friends that have drank like a year out, but I'd be afraid to try it this early.
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How is weight loss for people over 50?
crabcake replied to debi717's topic in LAP-BAND Surgery Forums
I've read where alcoholics do that. That if you go to AA meetings, there's always a huge urn of coffee and an overflowing ashtray outside the door. I think the theory is if you have an addictive personality, you'll trade in one vice for another. However, that said...I quit smoking so I could have this surgery. I've tried to quit many times before, but apparently didn't want to bad enough (and thankfully, now there's Chantix!). I haven't replaced my cigs w/ anything, although I still want one about once a day. I also gave up diet cokes for the surgery and haven't replaced those w/ anything either. My hubbling always said he was sure if I ever needed a transfusion they'd have to give me a liter of dc. I had the surgery May 8th and can't say any of my old vices have gotten worse and don't think I've picked up any new ones. The hubbling would be happy if I became a sex addict, but that certainly hasn't happened! :bounce: -
My surgeon said no alcohol at all for the first year, and ideally never. I had a tiny sip of expensive champagne when I retired six months after surgery. (I swear is was such a tiny sip that it barely counted!) I was a very light drinker before surgery and do not miss drinking at all, so I intend to avoid alcohol forever. Alcohol is empty calories that take up space in your pouch that could be used for something more nutritious. Just because you can drink doesn't mean you should. My post probably sounds judgmental, and that's really not the case. It's just my perspective. 🙂
