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We all here had surgery to lose weight so all of us have the same problem. I surely understand what you are going through. If we could have figured it all out, we could have all lost weight and kept it off and never, in my case, paid cash for this surgery. Emotions and all sorts of other things get in our way. I'm in the same boat as you are and I do understand. Only thing is my reasons are different. Praying that both of us and all who are struggling, which it gets harder the farther out you are, are able to get back on track. I've lost 100's of pounds in my life on my own before this surgery and the thing that brought it back was "life" and trying to find comfort for what life was slapping in the face with at the time. Life happens. Some find comfort with drugs, alcohol, sex etc. We all here eat and use food or sugar or whatever makes us feel better at the time. In my case, we all know what it is so I won't say it again since I've said it so many times before as I've been told. We all have this in common on this site. Again, I understand and hopefully we can find the strength to get it together and get back on track.
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If you had a cut with stitches on your arm, do you think pouring alcohol on it would feel good or help it heal? Think of your tummy like that...you have an incision running the entire length of your stomach being held together with tiny staples. Probably drinking alcohol tonight is not a good idea. Not causing a leak or abscess is way more important than what your friends think about your alcohol consumption. I made it easy on myself by just telling everyone I had surgery, so my eating and drinking habits were never questioned. Maybe ask the bartender to put Apple juice in a wine glass or sip on ice water and let em think it's pure vodka if you have to ????
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So my good friends wedding is tonight... I am now 18 days post op and I feel great. Food and liquid goes down easily with not much trouble at all. I was wondering if I should stay away from alcohol tonight... I'm not a drinker but I do have alcohol on special occasions like tonight. Should I sip some wine or completely stay away? Only one close friend knows about my surgery so I don't want all of my other friends to ask why I am not drinking. I know the alcohol hits faster after being sleeved and I know to be very careful with it... What does everyone think? I need some opinions.
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You might want to pour it over ice and let it sit awhile. With champagne, it's not the alcohol so much as the bubbles. I discovered the unpleasantness of carbonation after a swallow of Mikes Hard Lemonade this summer. ????. @@Aribay1 I had wine about 4 months out, started having hard liquor cocktails around 6-7 months. Alcohol doesn't affect me any differently, but I discovered I get gastritis if I drink alcohol more than 2 days in a row (like when I was on vacation). Had to take Prilosec for 10 days till my tummy felt better. Now I only have a drink 2-3 times a month
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I don't think I'm going to drink ever again or at all but if I was to even think about a sip I'm just curious. When did you start drinking again?
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January RNY Surgery
the_new_tamra replied to MBM1Forever's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Thanks Kay.... The Vitamins aren't a big issues for me I just worry as I'm looking for work I don't want to end up sick all the time.... Alcohol well id be lucky to drink once a year if that..... But yes hair loss is a worry.... Did you have a lot of hair loss!?!!! Hope you don't mind me asking..... Tamra -
January RNY Surgery
ThreeCrows replied to MBM1Forever's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
@@the_new_tamra It sounds like you have some research to do. And that's OK, you have plenty of time to do it. My surgeon hasn't told me nearly as much as I have learned from reading these boards. I can tell you that I chose the RNY because it has better long term weight loss outcomes for people as large as I am. I don't want to go through another surgery because I failed this one. But having this surgery is a lifelong commitment to a new lifestyle. Vitamins, many say no caffeine, alcohol, smaller portions, healthier eating. Many of the worst possible side effects (like hair loss) can be prevented or moderated by following instructions and commitment to a new way of life. The payoff is big! --Kay -
Not feeling sure about going through with WLS...
Kindle replied to nolongerhere's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Ditto to what bkrchk said for me....except the part about journalling. I never tracked my food or counted calories. I had this surgery so I wouldn't have to be on a diet ever again. I'm a year out and have been maintaining this same weight for over 3 months. I have no forbidden foods and don't feel restricted in my choices at all. This doesn't mean I sit around and eat cake and ice cream, it means I made the mental and emotional changes so I don't WANT to eat those things. The foods I crave and eat are high Protein, healthy food. And if you read any of my posts you will see I, too am a huge believer in a balanced diet including fruit, veggies and grains. There just happen to be some foods that are better choices than others in all of these categories. I choose the healthier option 90% of the time, But I also eat deserts, bread, Pasta and drink alcohol, in moderation...like I said, I'm not on a diet. In making this decision, you need to look at the long term outcome. Most of the things people are nervous or scared about occur within the first few months or year (pain, nausea, leaks, strictures, infection, constipation, diarrhea, hair loss, restricted diet during the losing phase, food intolerances, GERD, appearance of loose skin, etc). But things change drastically after that and you are left to deal with a new normal for the rest of your life. Some of the short term issues stay with you, but some don't. The potential long term changes are the ones you need to determine if you can live with. Don't base your decision on those things that are temporary. Keep researching, talk to a counselor or psych, attend support groups and talk to both successful and not so successful WLS patients. Figure out why they have different outcomes and see if you're willing to do what it takes to be one of the successful ones. Your concerns are valid and need to be taken into consideration, but in the end, you need to be 110% committed to the emotional and mental part of WLS or you will be miserable and the surgery would have been a waste of time and money. -
The sleeve will give you time hopefully to change your thinking. Retraining your brain to see food as nutrition and nothing more. We have used food like an alcoholic uses alcohol. To fill a void in our lives to Celebrate to calm to comfort and to even get back at those that have hurt us. It is a way to deal with our problems. And the sleeve will give you the time you need to retrain that brain of yours and realize that it was a ruse. As we never felt good after the fact. That using food was a mirage that only put a band-aid on an open cut that really needed stitches. It never works and so we try to fix it and keep falling back to the old ways. It is more then eating that got us here. It is everything in our lives that society and big food companies and even the diet companies have pressured us to do. The more we diet the more weight we gain back and the more we wreck our metabolism. And the whole thing goes round and round..... Think of the reasons you are doing this. Think of the changes you want to make and think about whether it will be worth it. All of it. It will help you make your decision. And when you do..Stand by it! It will change your life.....mentally, emotionally and physically as well. You got this!
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@Luna222---I was told NO alcohol at all. The surgeon said it would be like pouring acid on an open wound. I do know friends that have drank like a year out, but I'd be afraid to try it this early.
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@@dc0520 and @@amylynns ...you ladies look awesome!! I definitely see the difference, promise I have to do an updated pic myself, I haven't since the day of surgery. I totally understand not seeing it in the mirror...I have to remind myself by my clothes lol. I'm wearing a pair of 3x fuzzy jammie pants right now that are so big and baggy now that I feel like a fuzzy bear lol. My shirt was falling off my shoulder today. I don't see the scale moving much, and I've been trying so hard not to get on it, but I do feel things getting looser. I look in the mirror and I'm still so critical, I agree with you dc, we have had our minds set on that image of who we used to be. It's hard to see ourselves any other way. My best friend had this surgery 3 years ago, she lost about 160, and had a baby after a year. She gained back 20 and she beats herself up ever day feeling like she's that girl 140 lbs ago. We have to do our best to stay positive, and positive energy will flow I'm still staying the no meat route this week, so tonight for dinner I had some steamed broccoli, cauliflower and carrots with some Prego light alfredo...sooo yummy! My original plan was to make vegetable lasagna "cupcakes", but I stopped at the store on my way home in the middle of this noreaster, and they didn't have wonton wrappers! Grrr! So I settled for just veggies. I did get some frozen tilapia filets, can't wait to try that tomorrow! Have any of you tried alcohol yet? I'm going to my bf's family Christmas party this weekend, and they get a lil crazy, and I want to be able to have a glass of wine to take the edge off lol. I'm not much of a drinker to begin with, but I do like my sweet red! I may do a test glass tomorrow night to be sure I'll be ok with it lol.
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The only exception to the sugar alcohol rule is erythritol. 90% is absorbed in the small intestine and excreted, unchanged in the urine. It has no affect on blood sugar levels and therefore none of the sugar addiction affects. It may be hard to find things sweetened only with erythritol, but it is available in powder form, so something to consider using in baked goods or if you want to make your own sweet treats. Personally I've just stuck with real sugar from the get go. I don't seem to have a carb addiction. Oddly, my ultimate postop craving is for nuts.
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Thanks for sharing about the sugar alcohol. I did not know this. There goes my sugar free candies.
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Since being diagnosed w diabetes 2 I drink about 62-84 oz of water a day n about 2-4 cups of herbal tea. Will I have trouble drinking after surgery? I gave up coffee years ago n don't drink alcohol cuz gives me hot flashes. Also does everyone get cold cuz I have window open wear tea shirts all year round. Guess losing fluff n lowering blood pressure will change things. Maybe next winter?? Surgery target Feb. Oh so ready!!
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the Russell stover stuff was expressly forbidden to me by the surgeon and nutritionist because the are full of sugar alcohols which is sugar , your body turns them into sugar more slowly so they don't cause a high glucose surge in your blood but the sugar is the same once it does hit the blood. So might as well just have the real one.
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My surgery was yesterday! Tylenol help.
Djmohr replied to mamamia86's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
I thought the Tylenol with codeine would be a problem for me too. The reality is I would only take one and they really did not bother me. I only ended up taking it twice before I switched to luquid Tylenol. The reality is you should be doing some resting anyway. I hated taking the liquid medicines because the alcohol in them and high sugar content made my pouch burn and made me jittery. I per safely better not taking anything and using a heating pad and gas x to deal with any gas pains. By day 2 home from the hospital I felt pretty good and was just dealing with managing all the fluids. Good luck! -
Well ok then! Gastric sleeve 11/03/2014...and I'm not an alcoholic (I don't know it just goes together : ) welcome!
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Changing your mindset/attitude towards food
Beni replied to nolongerhere's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I think before surgery eating was in part due to control. You may not be able to control the world around you but you sure can control what you eat even if it seems that's out of control. Even if we think we can't control our eating the truth is we do. And let's just be honest we liked eating. We liked it so much it became our drug of choice to the point our bio feedback mechanism was to set eat more. It was killing us but we couldn't stop. The live to eat syndrome. How different is that from anorexia, drugs or alcohol. I would argue there is very little difference. But I do think some of us are more predisposed to overeating and some of us are more predisposed to alcoholism. All part of the human condition. For me, and this is a journey by no means over, it has been about relinquishing control. Coming to an understanding that I don't have control. Throwing up because I was eating too much after surgery, in a way, was the best thing that happened to me. Mind you eating too much is eating 1/2 cup instead of 1/4 cup and two tablespoons. Not a binge but I certainly was looking for that full feeling that relaxes you. Guess what, it's not there anymore. It's, I am eating and then I fall of the cliff. A all is well goes to I have to throw up in a second flat. I have no choice regarding that. I am bound by the physical reality. My surgery is calling the shots, not me. I have very little control. Then, it became all about I don't know how to do this. I have to follow this plan very closely because I don't know how to do this. I don't know how to eat. Imagine how devastating and enlightening this can be at the same time. Once I realized this I was much happier because my choices are more sensible and I don't fight the reality. I back of from this need to eat what I want. Does this mean I won't try to push the envelop? Probably not, but I have to start somewhere. I am relearning how to eat. With 42 pounds lost I feel 100% better and this alone keeps me going. I am over the moon! -
When you're first starting out, you're going to feel pretty crummy for a few weeks. I never drank the full 64oz of Water, but I had tea (the diet Lipton citrus is pretty good), the low calorie gatorage, Propel water, and after six weeks diet soda. For the most part liquid is liquid, so drink what makes you happy (skip the soda and caffeine though until you're a bit further out). It is completely normal to have a hard time getting Protein down at the point you are at and Vitamin difficulty is also normal. If using a straw does not give you gas pain (which is why doctors tell you not to use a straw), drink with a straw. That completely solved all of the problems related to my inability to drink enough. To give you some perspective, I am 15 months out and yesterday I puked up the few bites I had of a Subway turkey salad- my stomach did not feel like eating protein in the version of meat yesterday. I also had a part of a cookie the day before which was SO good since I almost never eat sweets and I got massively sick. I am completely ok with all of this because it has forced me to maintain a healthy lifestyle. It's a little like how some alcoholics benefit from a drug that makes them miserably sick if they drink. Eventually you associate the behavior you don't want with being sick and you stop doing it. Our stomach classically conditions us to not be a pig and to try to stick to our diet. My stomach is particularly picky- she doesn't like sweets or anything melty (cheese, chocolate, melty is bad). She does not like milk fat at all, half the time hates meat, refuses to tolerate protein shakes, and is completely happy to let me eat low fat wheat crackers all day, which is the only slider I can get away with so I tend to avoid crackers. My stomach is kind of a B, but she is totally fine with vegetables, some fruit, healthy wheats (like oatmeal with protein and those slider crackers), and some of the time decent meat protein. All of the things I should be eating, I can eat in very small portions, which was the entire point of the surgery. Also, Vitamins make me massively sick, so I take twice the amount in gummy vitamins and all of my blood levels are fine. My post is kind of long, but short version- yes you're totally normal right now and you will eventually come to appreciate and work around all of it.
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There is also evidence of higher incidence of alcoholism post surgery. Some of that may be due addiction transfer (food to alcohol) but some is also due to different methablising alcohol . QUOTE: "Among RYGB patients, there was a significant decrease in alcohol consumption in the first year after surgery, compared to the year before surgery, but not in the second year. Thus, the increase in alcohol use disorder symptoms following RYGB surgery was likely a result of an increase in alcohol sensitivity following surgery combined with resumption of higher levels of alcohol consumption in the second post-operative year ... This is concerning, given the negative impact heavy drinking may have on Vitamin and mineral status, liver function and weight loss." See, http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/246775.php
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Yes it is. I wouldn't even consider the thought of drinking for many months out. I don't drink and of course haven't drank since surgery (even drinking Water is a challenge) but I know that my narcotic painkillers used to take an hour to work, and now work in ten to fifteen minutes. Alcohol will go through you like a truck. I would not have this surgery if you can't accept that you may never be able to drink much again.
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What's the deal with alcohol? When can you have it post op? I am no way a big drinker, but i do like an occasional night out. Does it affect you differently? What can you NOT drink? Can you have a lot, or only a small amount? My date is scheduled for 1/21, I'm guessing celebrating st. Paddy's day is out of the question??! Lol
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I went to NYC about 1 month after surgery and my surgeon said it was fine to have a cocktail or two, just don't over do it. I tried a glass of wine and I'm not sure if I didn't appreciate the vintage (I'm a bit of a wine snob, sorry) or the wine itself so I just don't drink wine anymore for the time being. I usually get a vodka and Water and put a flavor enhancer in it. I don't drink much anymore but during the holidays I will have a cocktail or two. I will say the alcohol gets to me really fast, one drink! That is a good thing!
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I waited probably 4 months to try alcohol again. I was primarily a red wine drinker pre-op, but tend to prefer whites or mixed drinks (with grapefruit juice) since I don't do diet soda anymore. It's harder to work in alcohol around meals these days since I tend to comply with the no drinking while eating rule, then once I've eaten I'm too full for hours to drink anyway.
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It was just an alcohol pad. Never had a reaction before.
