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Dinner Frustration
SeahawksFan replied to vincereautmori's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I almost always look online so I know what I am going to order ahead of time. I personally would skip the soup or salad and go for the entrée. I don't like most of the appetizers either. Also how do you squeeze in a glass of wine if your not supposed to drink 30 min before you eat? I always just order a glass of Water so no one looks at me like I am weird and then maybe take one little sip. Just curious as I am not at the stage where I can have alcohol yet. Good luck- LA -
Missing wine in wine country
ProjectMe replied to IcanMakeit's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
i never realized how conservative/strict my team's guidelines were until reading others posts. I guess it's just a product of it being a major military base...Anywhooo...my team does not allow for any alcohol ever. It was made clear by the nutritionist, surgeon, psychologist, endocrinologist, and various nurses in my program. They all cited research studies that showed a link between alcoholism and Wls. Being a librarian...I tend to take research pretty seriously even though there are always outliers. -
Missing wine in wine country
IcanMakeit replied to IcanMakeit's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
Yes, it is confusing. When I attended my first WLS seminar nearly a decade ago, I was told that we could never have alcohol again after surgery. This year they recommended waiting at least six months. There's a big difference between six months and forever! I guess the science is evolving. -
Abuse of wls..when it's not needed
Kindle replied to Momma_D's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Well I'm happy to report I NEVER abused food or alcohol. I nurtured and loved and coddled every single bite and swallow! -
Missing wine in wine country
Djmohr replied to IcanMakeit's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
I am not much of a drinker, before surgery I would have a cocktail once every couple of months so this has not been a big deal for me. I was told by my surgical team and actually had to sign a contract that I would not use alcohol for minimum of 1 year post surgery. I was wondering if that was the norm for most surgeons? I have seen quite a few folks mention they have had alcohol even weeks out of surgery and I have wondered about this topic. I am a rule follower by nature so I will refrain for any least the year, but I am curious. -
Help me please! I continue to gain weight!
WifeyMaterial replied to Lisa's Hope's topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
Yes I understand so much its so sad and the way I try to look it as if we gain it and lose quickly if we just get our mines together we can both get back ont track and get this weight off once and for all. I only had 3 drinks in 3 days which may don't sound good but I suffer from alcoholism and really try and cant believed how hard it is to stop I just wanna get my life and get what I gain off and plus 30 2 35 plds origanally this is gonna be hard. Its doesnt help that my groin is fracture but Im letting nothing stop me I mean nothing I gotta get healthy again... hope me and u can do something and set some goals for every month till our goal weights and yes the sugary drinks does and I too n love coffee as well.. -
One of the real pleasures of my former lifestyle was having a good glass of wine with a fine meal. I really miss that. But I keep putting off my first post-op glass of wine. Of the few treats I have allowed myself in the past few months, I have chosen to have Desserts rather than wine. Then the next day I regret my choice because the dessert turns out not to be so special and I can never eat a whole serving anyway. I think I'm afraid to have the wine because I believe that alcohol interferes with weight loss even more than simple carbs. I guess I'll just wait until I reach my ultimate goal before I partake. But even then, I won't be able to drink it with my meal. Oh well, I'll trade that pleasure for my new healthier body anytime.
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I haven't done anything right
ELI.p.m replied to ELI.p.m's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I wouldn't say they're jealous because they like to eat they all are obese ... Morbidly obese ...my sister in law had diabetes at 14 .. Now 21 she has to inject insulin. My other sister in law she's 14 and she has cholesterol and high blood pressure . My father in law has both diseases plus liver damage from alcohol abuse . ALTHOUGH my husband is morbid obese he doesn't have any diseases YET..... I think it's because they just want me to fail ... Idk really Myb it's just their personalities. Iam 5'0 205 starting weight 235 I've lost 30 lb in the last month. They notice I know they want to lose weight too because they're always in" diets ". -
Omega loop (mini gastric bypass) in october!
SUNNYNYC replied to 123Go's topic in Mini Gastric Bypass Surgery Forum
Hello, As of my 3 month anniversary, I have dropped 49 lbs. I am not watching my diet and drinking alcohol due to the holidays this past month, but I have been spending 2 hours at the gym 5x week and did put on muscle weight too. I believe I can lose more by watching my intake, but I just wish to lose another 40-50lbs and hopefully will be there soon. -
. INR! Well I only used my restraint until I got home. My diet over the last 24 hours has consisted of sugar, carbs and alcohol! And my reward is now cramping and nausea. Oh well....totally worth it! But now back to protein...
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Holiday meals - how do/did you handle it?
Kindle replied to VSG Davis's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I had no intention of following a proper food plan while I was visiting family this week. Gave myself an extra 4 pounds below my bounce range to I could indulge guilt-free. The majority of my diet over the last 24 hours has been sugar, carbs, fat and alcohol. ???????????????????? Seriously, we were dipping chocolate mocha Cookies in Disarono last night. And just washed down some Danish Kringler with homemade hot chocolate made with Frangelica and 1/2 and 1/2. Oh so yummy, but now I don't feel so good. ????Pretty sure I'm experiencing my first dumping episode...cramps, sweats, nausea. So I'm gonna lay low for a bit, drink some Water and watch John Wayne westerns. My brother has been smoking a brisket since yesterday, so dinner will be all about Protein (ok, and maybe some mashed potatoes and green beans). Gonna give the cookies and bars a break, at least until tomorrow ????. So much for passing up those Krispy Kremes at the airport. Merry Christmas everyone! -
Thank you for posting such an honest post. And congratulations on your success! I'm sure you know but that's called addiction transference. No matter if your addiction from food goes into shopping, drugs, sex, alcohol, etc. It can find it's way somewhere if we don't confront the issues that are making us want and need the high. I have also been in therapy for 17 years and couldn't have lived a lot of my life and made the good choices I have without it. I also went into a two month intensive outpatient program for eating disorders that greatly helped and was thankfully 100% covered by insurance. Good luck to all because it's a challenging journey at times but so rewarding if we get the help we need :-)
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Psychological help?
Jackie is gaining replied to Caio Peret's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
Having an addiction to something in your life no matter what the substance is is a disease. I found that food made me happy, and approximately a year and a half post surgery I begin to become unhappy from not being able to indulge in my addiction. Slowly and painfully I became addicted to drugs. Somehow someway I had to replace that happy feeling that I no longer was able to accomplish with food.within 6 to 9 months I became physically dependent on the drugs and became a full fledge drug addict instead of a food addict. I found myself drinking a lot more alcohol,smoking a lot more cigarettes, just doing whatever was necessary to achieve that high I was missing from food that I no longer was able to indulge and such quantities to be happy! in conclusion my very sad story, I'm five years post op lost 144 pounds gained 27 back during the drug detox and now I'm clean and sober.the reason for my post sticking to the subject I couldn't have gone through any of this without professional psychological help counselors support groups etc. A lot of times obesity is caused by an underlying mental problem that we have to address in the behavioral health portion of our lives. A psychologist or therapist will help prevent a lot of you from trading one addiction for another. Utilize their help. -
"Change Your Relationship With Food" ..but how!?!
ShannonbKSU replied to MrsMurky721's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I am struggling here as well. And the funny part is I AM a therapist! We don't always have magic answers and it's something that I've tried to overcome many times and failed. I think what's scary for me now is food isn't an option anymore. It was always there if I needed it... But now it's not! Eek!! And Congrats on controlling your alcohol and other dependencies... That means you are strong enough to do this too -
"Change Your Relationship With Food" ..but how!?!
MrsMurky721 posted a topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
So we've all heard it- "You need to change your relationship with food." But what does that mean? How do you do it? How do you know it's done? I see this advice all the time but never steps to take to make that change. I'm seeing a therapist ( I have bipolar disorder and have had several different addictions through my lifetime so I will ALWAYS have a therapist) and I'm working through my problems with her. But I want to know how everybody else did it. How did you start? Did you have any slip-ups? When did you realize that you had gotten over your love of eating, or the unhealthy eating for convenience? I'm not saying everybody here is addicted to food. I don't even want to start that debate so please don't misunderstand Just to go ahead and start the discussion: Like I said earlier, I've had many dependency and addiction problems. In middle school it was my obsession with friends and attention. In my high school and college days it was pot and pills. In the most recent years I've struggled with alcohol dependency.* I've overcome it all! (YAY ME!!!! ) Now I'm staring down losing my most basic coping skill - food. It scares me. Of course all programs start out by telling you to QUIT. Quit smoking, quit drinking. We can't do that with food! So wtf do we do? What do I do? I'm working with my therapist but I'd like to have some advice from people who have actually faced this and overcome it. *I'm hoping that you guys will withhold judgment of my past deeds and try to help me with my current problem. I fully understand the risks associated with WLS and transferring addictions. Thank you -
I enjoy alcohol. I loved various IPA's (type of beer). I am sure that love got me some extra poundage. After surgery, I stayed away for 3 months. Now, the same beer with the carbonation hasn't been that attractive, plus, taste has changed. Red wine, ok, but again, not the same. I have found vodka either served bloody mary style or with cranberry juice is ok. I do find you feel tipsy faster and I would not drive even with one. the best part of the drinks I just listed, you can go virgin and nobody would know. You also start to count the calories and make choices. Again, I like to drink, I would never say don't, it just becomes harder.
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I'm not mourning food anymore
VSGAnn2014 replied to IcanMakeit's topic in Tell Your Weight Loss Surgery Story
I think (?) it's true that I haven't mourned the loss of food. Perhaps it's because because I was sleeved later in life (at 68) I'd eaten about everything there is to eat--some great food. I also understood that being sleeved didn't mean I could never eat good food again. Four months post-op, I am certainly less focused on food than I was pre-op. I'm sure that's due to having so much less ghrelin in my body than pre-op. However, I'm still interested in food to supply nutrients for my body, to supply energy, and (to a lesser extent, for now) food's taste and aesthetics. It's pretty easy to avoid or reject food most of the time that doesn't have high nutritional value (sweets, alcohol, high-carbs). I'm sure this will all continue to evolve and change. But the current phase is a comfy place to hang out. -
I think how alcohol affects WLS patients is as varied as non-WLS patients. I've had 4 cocktails within a couple hours postop and it certainly didn't hit me like 28-40 cocktails would have preop! In fact, I was barely buzzed. And I definitely didn't have a 28 cocktail hangover. Actually, I really don't notice any difference in how fast or how hard alcohol affects me at all. I simply choose to drink a hell of a lot less than I did before surgery....just because of the whole empty calories, blah blah blah reason. I simply treat it like any other "white carb" and only have it in moderation.
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Alcohol seems to hit me at the same rate as before, which was pretty quick to begin with, but I haven't noticed any increase in the rate of intoxication since surgery. ETA: Either way I would strongly suggest waiting longer to try it, one month is just too soon/risky imo
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My surgeon and nutritionist have told me no more alcohol ever, as in for ever , never etc. so im not sure why there is such a disparity of 3 months for some and me never and no im not much of a drinker never was. I like very good expensive wine, although it is very rare maybe once every two years I would have something like that. Ive been told that alcohol hits your bloodstream about 7 to 10 times faster with a sleeve and even more for a bypass so 1 shot is the equivalent of 7 shots to a non wls patient. weird that such a wide variety of treatment plans exist.
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I had my first wine at 3 months. Had hard liquor cocktails by about 5-6 months. I don't get buzzed any quicker than before (bummer), but alcohol will give me gastritis if I drink more than a couple days in a row. But I wouldn't dream of drinking alcohol only 1 month out. Incision is not healed yet and nothing is worth the risk of causing damage so soon.
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1 month post op and wanted to know when you tried alcohol for the first time, I have 3 Christmas parties to attend and will be surrounded by it! Per my MD can't have any til month 3 just wanted to see if anyone bent the rules out there!
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I saw my NUT yesterday and it turns out I should eat more. I have lost 50 pounds and I am on the higher scale of weight loss. But still within the expected range of 2 to 5 pounds per week. Well, I told her I can only eat 1/4 cup. I have been cleared to have 4 meals per day rather then 3 and I should spend a full 30 minutes eating to stretch my pouch. I asked about a bunch questions about food choices. Her answer, within reason and being mindful that empty calories are not our friend, I was told, it's okay to have coffee and alcohol. She did mention absorption rates are faster with WLS. If I drink either too fast I'll have a jolt. Take it slowly at first to see how it goes. I was warned about alcohol being a danger for WLS patients as far as substituting one addition for another. Instead of food, alcohol. Her point was, we should have a happy relationship with food.
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Learn about cross addiction & discuss it during psychological. You have already identified that you had one addiction alcohol & transferred it for food. There is no harm or fowl in working with a counselor that specializes in Bariatric patients along with the programs, your program should be able to suggest someone for you. Also start tracking your food now, get an app & buy a food scale. Because once you are in a program, typically you can't gain any more weight then your starting weight & they require you to track food so they can see where you could improve. Figure out some exercises you think you could stick with forever & start doing some now. Cleveland Clinic has a lot of non opinion fact based information on their Bariatric site read up. Watch a surgery online so you can have an idea what to expect. Deciding to make a healthier choice like this should be considered long term, a lot of people think it's magic forever & they mess it up I have personally known 4 who gained all of their weight back. Best of luck going thru the process I started April 15th of this year & got surgery September 8th so don't get discouraged if it takes awhile. Also talk to your insurance company & see what your coverage is exactly so you aren't surprised along the way.
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As a nurse, I work with jerk doctors every day. Unfortunately some of the biggest jerks are the best docs and some of the really nice ones, I wouldn't let them touch me with a ten foot pole. It sounds to me like you're doing a great job working your band and losing weight. DEFINITELY treat yourself along the way. I did, and I've almost made goal in one year. I had the occasional treat, drank alcohol, even sipped on 3 or 4 sodas along the way. You'll be fine. If he's a good doc, let it go. If it continues, then I may look for another.
