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I recently attended a LB support group. I listened as I heard stories of how many still have just a shake for breakfast/lunch. I got out of that habit some time ago. I then questioned those that did this if they were the cooks or the caretakers in their households. Well the ones that were shakes only with one meal per day were all single. Those of us that tired of the shakes eventually had mouths to feed, groceries to buy, sandwiches to cut.... etc. Frankly, IT IS MORE difficult no matter what anyone sez. I'm not using it as an excuse, but I would love some kind of support group or help. I mean if an alcoholic had to touch, handle liquor all day long... would he be able to stay sober? In my dream world, I would wake up, have a shake, do my day, have a proti-Protein Soup for lunch. Throw in a healthy snack or two, go to the gym, and make a healthy dinner, and go to bed. My friend, a father of 5, leaves all of the above to his lovely wife. He agrees that if he had to touch, shop for, cook, taste, etc, ... food all day he'd not have gone quite so far. NOT an EXCUSE... but @%#! :wink:... man I'd love a break from all this food handling. LOVE my dh and kids and wouldn't change my life for all the pounds in the world, but really would like a clue... any ideas ? Gotta go make the lunches. <sigh> Anyone else go through this?
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What was the final straw to decide this?
Sajijoma replied to limichelle34's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
If I hear one more time that people can't be addicted to food, I'll scream. If the above story does not make folks understand that this is as powerful an addiction as any other drug, I don't know what will convince them. While my story is not as harrowing as yours, I too put myself in very difficult circumstances due to the excess weight I carried. I watched a program last night about a morbidly obese woman in Miami on the TLC channel and she was so frustrating because she did not seem to take her situation seriously and was looking at WLS as an easy fix. She was told over and over that she was risking her health and unfortunately she did die shortly after having WLS. It was a frustrating and heartbreaking hour I spent watching this train wreck. Usually they have an epiphany and start to make positive changes..but not this woman. And then she paid the ultimate price by dying. I suspect many of us have had those moments...where we knew this was a life or death situation. I definitely can't pretend I don't have an addiction, but it's mostly sugar addiction over quantity or quality. Even when I tried to be good and kept the cupboards and fridge clean of sweets, I'd get desperate enough to eat sugar out of the bag. It's sad because I've always been so careful to never drink alcohol, smoke, or do drugs because I've seen the power of addiction and how they lose control of themselves, but the one thing I never thought to protect myself from is what I became addicted to. hoping when I get the bypass that I get lasting relief from it. I've had horrific side effects from fat and dairy when I had my gallbladder out so the idea of possibly dumping will be a good motivator to not cave besides my kids. -
I should explain- the sugar alcohols are what made me feel sweaty, nauseous, dizzy. Google why does sugar alcohol make me sick after vsg . Made so much sense. Mich W Hw 223, SW 217 CW 194 GW 135
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There are several issues with alcohol, and different docs have differeing concerns about them. The basic initial concern is healing of the stomach, and that's where many docs come down to something around a three month limitation. Empty calories, too is a concern during the weight loss period, but that's no different than talking about Twinkies or any other kind of junk food. The biggie that some docs fret over is liver health - as obese patients, our livers are generally in pretty poor shape to begin with, and then they are further taxed with their role in metabolizing all of the fat that we are losing - they don't need any more stress from metabolizing the alcohol. So, that's where some docs come up with a no alcohol during the entire weight loss period policy - this is my doc's plan, and he's a bit more anal about liver health than most WLS docs as he also does liver transplants, and he doesn't want to see his bariatric patients coming back as transplant patients. The other concern is the prospect of transfer addiction - many of us were addicted to food, and with that taken away by the surgery, that addiction can be transferred to something else that was never a problem pre-op, like alcohol or gambling - so that is something to watch out for. The other thing to watch is that most find that their body's response has changed - usually feeling the alcohol's effects sooner and with less (things tend to go thru quicker, particularly liquids), but then they tend to recover quicker, too. Those are the major issues that influence the differerent surgeons' policies on alcohol and WLS, so take them for what you will. Overall, the occasional drink is not likely to be any more harmful than the occasional twinkie, but there are potential problems with it being a regular thing during the post-op period. Good luck, and may you have something to celebrate!
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Alcohol a year after bypass
BayougirlMrsS replied to TheMarine79's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
I was never told to not drink alcohol..... I keep it to one or two a night on the weekends. One now has me tipsy.... I drank a Lemond drop Saturday night and I felt it at the last sip. I don't drink beer (don't like it) nor do i drink anything mixed with soda.... (exp: jack and coke) I will drink a glass of wine or a mixer with juice or a margarita. Everything in moderation..... -
Veterans ONLY please. One year + post op.
VSGAnn2014 replied to LipstickLady's topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
Speaking only for myself -- my desire for a veterans forum doesn't come from an "elitist" position. My needs are literally different than they were over 2 years ago when I was still pre-op or 6 months later when I was still in the "honeymoon" period of losing weight. They're even different than when I first hit my weight goal of 150 pounds. I certainly don't think that I cannot learn things from those who are younger-tenured re WLS than I am. Nor do I imagine I'll muzzle myself and never post on a thread about alcohol or Protein levels or the honeymoon period or sip-sip-sipping or vitamins/minerals or slider foods or the need to move into exercise carefully or the hundreds of other topics that newbies need and want advice about. What I'm hoping to gain from the veterans forum is a more vibrant veteran community and participation and advice from veterans who (if you read this whole thread, you've already learned) are indicating they would spend more time at BP if there were a place where more WLS veterans were hanging out. Surely everyone of any WLS tenure will benefit more from a message board where more veterans stick around, right? For the record, "newbie" isn't a slur -- it's a description of someone who's new to a particular activity. Someone who hasn't had WLS yet (but is planning to have WLS) is clearly a WLS newbie. People who are new to maintenance are maintenance newbies. And people who are newly "veterans" are, I suppose, veteran newbies.- 156 replies
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How Do You Prevent Replacement Addictions?
Alex Brecher posted a topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
You may already know about the risks of replacement addictions, or even be fighting them yourself. The theory is that food is an addiction for pre-op bariatric surgery patients. Weight loss surgery helps you break your addiction to food, but it leaves a hole and puts you at risk for other addictions ranging from drugs and alcohol to exercise. Replacement addictions may be more common than you realized. This article describes research that found that 21% of gastric bypass patients in one study developed alcohol abuse problems over the next seven years. That is one out of every five gastric bypass patients! Being aware of the risk can help you avoid the pitfalls. You can also try to prevent negative addictions, such as drugs and alcohol, with positive ones. For example, you can fill the “food void” by taking up a new hobby such as gardening or art, or spend more time volunteering or exercising. Are you concerned about replacement addictions? If you are a post-op patient, have you developed any? Have you taken any steps to prevent them? If you are a pre-op patient, have you been warned about them? Are you planning any steps to prevent them?- 5 replies
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Nsaids , Clomid and testosterone replacement therapy post op after gastric bypass surgery
LarrySm88 posted a topic in The Guys’ Room
I quit Testosterone Replacement Therapy, after 2 years on it. I was not on steroids !!!! Its testosterone replacement therapy, it makes a man at 40 years old, feel great, high sex drive, etc.. It is not pills and 5 different steroids going to you stomach. Its one low dosage intermuscular injection per week. I do not drink alcohol, or smoke nicotine. I quit cold turkey, ["weaned off, TRT with very low dosage weekly shot"], 5 weeks before my successfully , gastric bypass surgery , I am still currently off TRT probably forever. I am 40 years old, ex powerlifter. I am currently 6'3" 299 lbs , i lost 48 lbs as of today in 3 weeks. I only choose gastric bypass surgery because my insurance covered it 100%, i knew it was not reversible, going in. I was told I could continue TRT for life 4 weeks after post op. but now I read No NSAIDS and no Steroids , and they are to opposite things ???? because they can? cause ulcers in the new smaller stomach, and around the staple line. That being, said I am prepared to quit TRT forever !!! But I don't understand why ? It makes no sense. I know for a fact my natural testosterone will come back in a few months, being off TRT, I am not worried about that. *****These are some things that I cant understand and it makes no sense to me , during 4 week post operation. ******* NSAIDS is an appreciation for "NONSTEROIDAL anti-inflammatory drugs" but then it says you CANNOT take Steroids' either ????? Can someone please explain to me how that makes sense ? One is NON STEROIDAL and one is STEROIDALl ?????? Now on to the Clomid brand name drug name is clomiphene , it can be taken by men or women, i have read many posts about women using Clomid post operation to get pregnant !!! there doctors said it was fine but , as I did further research Clomid is a NSAID !!!!????? how does that make sense ??? Clomid taken by men post cycle therapy off TRT will help a man boost testosterone 200% i have done it before in the past it works bringing back natural testosterone levels. The Clomid comes in crushable form pills and liquid too, obviously because , after gastric bypass surgery, your body does not absorb medication like it did before. This is a serious post for people who know what they are talking about please respond with personal stories or any knowledge or insight that you have would be appreciated thank you. -
What's Up With Caffeine Stretching The Gastric Sleeve?
UXgrrl replied to italianlady13's topic in Food and Nutrition
I wonder if caffeine affects us faster and more intensely now, like alcohol does? I used to drink coffee all day, up to bedtime. Then I went on some meds for fatigue and had terrible RLS (restless leg syndrome) so I managed to cut down to a cup or two in the morning. Now I've tried drinking coffee twice, only about 1/4c. in my morning Protein shake, and I got such a case of the jitters! Like I wanted to throw up. No other sources of caffeine, except for the tiny amount in the diet Lipton Green Tea with Citrus that I live on. Maybe I have detoxed from coffee? I've been drinking it for almost twenty years. Who would have thought it was possible? -
I'm planning on drinking coffee after I have my sleeve (on Tuesday...eeep!). My surgeon said decaf is ok right away, and try to wait 3 months on the caffeinated stuff, along with alcohol and carbonated beverages. I can't wait to have my beloved nonfat cappuccino with breakfast again...got hooked on them in Rome two years back. Being in the Seattle area, I think there would be an uproar if a surgeon suggested we ban coffee from our diet entirely...he'd/she'd probably go out of business! That being said, if it were essential to maintain your sleeve health, I don't think they would hesitate to make coffee restriction mandatory. I think the key is everything moderation, take it easy and listen to your sleeve!
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sillykitty replied to ms.sss's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Some would definitely hate me! 🤣 I think we are, or at least were, very similar with the amount of restriction. Mine was pretty extreme, which I was grateful for, most of the time. Near the 1 yr mark my relaxed pretty significantly. I can eat enough now that it doesn't usually attract attention when I eat out. We are also pretty similar in that I didn't have much physical hunger for a long time. Even now mine is pretty controllable if I fast & push liquids. Here's my brunch yesterday (Hush puppies covered with sausage gravy & bacon) As the picture illustrates, I get my calories in by eating pretty calorie dense foods, by eating frequently, & liquid calories (ie alcohol) (I don't drink daily, but I'm by definition a binge drinker) -
Just woke up with back pain after dry heaving
nurse535 replied to Hungrybetty's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
To me that sounds like a gallbladder attack. If you still have your gallbladder and if you're still experiencing it, or if it happens again, definitely go to the ER or your doc (primary care or surgeon) so they can rule it out. Alcohol can cause gallbladder attacks, and many people have gallbladder problems after bariatric surgery for some reason. -
Couch to 5K Anyone want to start with me ?
ParaGirl replied to coltonwade's topic in Fitness & Exercise
Big Baby, Congrats on your entry into ONEDERLAND...YEE HA! Now, I am sorry I didn't answer your prior post, I am not on as much as I want to be rigght now with teaching, going to school and also lots of stuff going on with my children and their school work! To answer you, I did not have any problem eating on the cruise. I ate too much though! I gained a couple of pounds and expected it. I just followed the rules, such as no drinking and trying to get protein in first, etc. But I did eat more than I had eaten in forever, and more often! I also want to know that the cruise fell in my PMS time, you know, the time where one could eat the paint off the walls! I was a hungry girl and in the correct place for it! Most nights I was unable to complete the entire meal, but as you know with cruises, you have at least 4 courses! I do not drink alcohol - so that wasnt an issure with me, however, the tea was not brewed, and being a southern girl...that wasnt the greatest! Drank lots of water and some of that icky tea...oh, and coffee in the mornings. Looks like I am going on another cruise in January - this one is 7 days. (I just came back from a 5 day) Baby, you will do great and have a blast, is this your first cruise? -
I bumped up.. is that so wrong?
Sistersue replied to StewsHunnyBunny's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Hi all here is my 2 cents, i come from a background of drug addiction. I had 2 weeks of clear liquids followed by a week of full liquids and a week of pureed foods. I knew that the clear liquids was going to b hard but I saw it as what it is, detox. When you are detoxing cheating puts you back farther in the process. It relieves the cravings for the moment but just like the alcoholic who takes a drink it just put more of the stuff in your system you are trying to clear out. Let your body detox. You will find that sugar and starch has less of a hold on you and you start off with more weight loss. Full liquids and mushies showed me my triggers. Sweets, which I don't really like, trigger binges. I prefer pot roast to chocolate cake but I've never eaten a whole pot roast at one sitting while I have eaten a whole chocolate cake (not since being banded though). Strange how that works. The good thing is that if you go through it you get to the otherside and it gets better. The best part is that you don't get the DTs with food withdrawal. And part of going through it is that you learn how not to eat when you are bored or anxious or whatever. -
One problem with doing coke is you don’t know what it’s cut with, and that could also make you sick. I’m not a prude or even anti-recreational drugs in particular, but with this surgery I think an occasional drink if you’re not an alcoholic or an occasional toke, if it’s legal where you live and doesn’t make you ravenous are pretty much the reasonably safe options. I now get drunk from one drink, so be very careful driving.
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Coke is like this, you will feel fantastic for like an hour and then you have to do more, I was starting to use coke in addition to my drinking when I finally hit bottom and got sober. I am an alcoholic to the core, so I simply have to abstain from drinking. Having said that, I am an addict too and cannot use any form of drug or I will abuse it even something as simple as Benadryl. I will abuse anything that makes me feel good, hence my food addiction. I am a food addict and that is what led me to getting up to 440 pounds. Food was the only thing I had left to abuse. I was 9 years sober when I got sleeved and 3 months after getting sleeved I relapsed and almost died. Like literally almost died, my wife had to call 911 and I had to be taken to the ER. Why did this happen? I didn’t protect my sobriety and once I couldn’t abuse food anymore my alcoholism and drug addiction came back with a vengeance. I am sober today by the grace of God and very fortunate I did not die the night I relapsed.
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Thank u... yes I'm in the UK and our social lives can be dependent on drugs and alcohol. Tbh it's put me off both now
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Cigar Smoking after Gastric Bypass w/ Heller Myotomy
Arabesque replied to koliver20's topic in The Guys’ Room
Smoking cigars is the same as smoking cigarettes. Same toxic ingredients, same impact & hindrances on your healing & recovery (slower healing, increased risk of blood clots & breathing issues during surgery), same addictive quality, same impacts on your health in general. Some surgeons will test for nicotine before surgery. Another concern after surgery is addiction transfer. Your ability to satisfy your addiction to food/eating is decreased so the addiction transfers to something else. Alcohol or smoking are what most turn to instead. Of course the choice is yours. -
Alcohol a year after bypass
Xtina.Latina replied to TheMarine79's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
I have a friend that drinks a lot after surgery, I am 5 months post op and at my doctors that I can have some now but I'm afraid of it lol what if I become an alcoholic. -
Thank you, Leatha. I do pray for your family, and all families who are given the situation of addiction to face. We have faced alcohol addiction in our family, and thank God that we have been sober almost 5 years now. I also have family members who continue to drink and abuse prescription medication, and, of course, family members who enable that abuse. Rest assured that prayers are continuous and fervent. Blessings to all, Cindy
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Stupid Carb Question.
doxieville replied to ljperez's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Yes, I do Net Carbs. Total Carbs - Fiber + sugar alcohols = total I lost 40pounds in 3 months eating the Atkins way, and i don't eat red or processed meat. I really like eating this way bcs I don't eat fake or low fat either. It never agreed with me. I am tracking my calories on MFP. I've managed to keep my calories between 600-800 post surgery. Pre-surgery I have no idea. Honestly, I'm not sure what is going to work for me long term, but I like cheese too much to give it up. :-) But, I think I need more carbs for my workouts. So.....I'm a work in progress. -
I've been eating Ben and Jerry's ice cream since day 14 with no harmful side effects and I've lost 22lbs and nearly five inches in 26 days. Ice cream goes down very easily and stays down but I limit it to 58g (2oz) per serving. I use MyFitnessPal.com to track everything that goes into my mouth. It's real easy to rack up empty calories with ice cream. However, ever since returning home from the hospital, I've been struggling with meeting my Protein requirements and consuming enough calories to meet my BMR. It will be 8 o'clock in the evening and, according to MFP, I will have only consumed 650 calories for the day. After meeting my protein goals, ice cream helps to provide a lot more energy than yogurt and, as long as I am well within my calorie goal for the day, there isn't one iota of guilt to contend with. The consumption of ice cream (bacon, chocolate, etc.) doesn't sit well with the abstinence model people (who warn against eating anything with processed sugar, wheat, and alcohol) but I don't believe in abstinence when it comes to food with the exception of carbonated beverages after VSG surgery. Learning how to eat in moderation is the key to long term success. Limiting foods high in calories in an attempt to offset the damages from grazing is the wrong approach I think... at least it is for me. The healthier approach is to abstain from grazing, not foods that you enjoy.
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Anyone smoke weed before or after surgery?
Amanda Nicole Hosaflook replied to selvester420's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Yes my hospital does drug and alcohol tests and takes careful inventory of all drugs in their supply. Weed is illegal for a reason. I just don't like my nurses disobeying the law. If they can't be trusted in the workplace, I would not trust them with my health. -
Where are these trolls coming from?
BuffaloBill replied to goldenbarbie's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Some people like to force theyre beliefs and procedures on eberybidy they can because nobody will listen to them in real life so they come on here and unleash. Try to find a good area and you'll be good. Just don't ever ever post about alcohol. God forbid u have drink 3 mos out . These people will burn u at the stake. Sent from my SM-G935T using BariatricPal mobile app -
Anyone with anxiety. Did it get worse after
The.new.g replied to mrscable2's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I don't think any of this is surprising. I think most of us notice our negative emotions more because we used to calm them with food. When you can't do that you start feeling crazy until you learn different ways to cope--hopefully healthier ones. But it's part of why transfer addictions (alcoholism etc) are so common after WLS. I know I didn't even realize I'd been having anxiety all my life until a couple years ago--I've been treating it with food for so long I didn't even realize I was anxious until it got way out of control. Now I am dealing with this with my therapist and it is very helpful.
