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Soooo all my experienced sleevers do u drink wine or liquor??? Need to know miss.carter

Holly, that was great information on sugar alcohols. After the great reviews I ran to Walmart (well, drove, LOL) and got some of the Caramel Nut Chews. OMG! Deee-ricious! Had one as my after dinner treat and this morning have gone from large ketosis to trace ketosis. From the calculation in that article they have 9.5 carbs! I had counted it as 2. I guess for me they will have to be a "once in a while" treat. I am still kind of bummed because I was under 30 carbs for the day. I was going to try some strawberries or blueberries this week to see what would happen to my ketosis. I'm a little gunshy now.:biggrin:

I never keep the bars in the house. If I did, I would eat them too much. I only get them if I am out for the day and will be tempted by bad lunch choices. I do keep the shakes fully stocked and usually have 2 a day, one for breakfast and one for late afternoon snack. The sugar alcohol thing doesn't knock me out of ketosis either. I had two of those bars yesterday and was in heavy ketosis this morning...which is actually a jump up from moderate where I have been!

tooo many carbs last night, but I think I did OK. We went to a cookout at our friends house last night and I ate a burger on a bun AND had about half a cup of pasta salad. I know this is not good on the induction part of the diet, but I didn't totally pig out AND we hung out until 1:00am and I didn't drink any alcohol, I didn't munch on chips or crackers or ANYTHING. I woke up this morning down .02 (okay its not A LOT but its not a gain!) and I thought for sure I would be out of ketosis and would have to work to get it back, but there is still a trace! This morning I went right back to having my protein drink instead of my usual "well I blew it last night...may as well have Lucky Charms (or something else bad) for breakfast" I am excited and I have lost just over 7 pounds in 6 days!!! I know the weightloss wont continue like this and most of it was probably water weight but who cares! I'm shrinking!!!:ohmy:

Hi, everyone! I have been low-carbing it since I was banded on May 7, 2009. Years ago I tried Atkins and South Beach, with very limited success, but this time I took my own approach. I don't count how many carbs I take in, but I do limit them considerably! After two consultations with my surgeon and a few sessions with a therapist, I realized that I was *truly* addicted to sugar, just like an alcoholic is addicted to alcohol. During the time between my first consultation and my surgery, I made the very difficult decision to completely give up sugar and all white carbs (bread, Pasta, rice, potatoes). It's been going good so far, and the longer I go without those items, the easier it is. I guess you would say my diet is closer to South Beach. My foods include: unjury Protein shakes in the morning (when my band is usually tight); fat-free Greek yogurt (really high in protein); lentil Soup or black bean soup with low-fat cheese melted in; refried Beans topped with low-fat cheese, fat-free salsa, low-fat sour cream (eat with whole wheat baked pita chips or just with a spoon!); hummus & tahini with fresh veggies and sometimes a few All Bran Multigrain crackers or pita chips; low-carb "sandwich": any deli meat, cheese, condiments, etc., between two slices of low-fat swiss cheese (the swiss allows you to hold it without getting your hands wet or sticky :thumbup:); Breakstone's 2% high-fiber cottage cheese mixed with 1 small container of pre-made sugar-free Jell-o (don't knock it till you try it -- got the idea from someone else on this board! :thumbup:); scrambled eggs with cheese; and if I'm out at a fast food restaurant, I choose a salad with grilled chicken on top, or I get a cheeseburger with all the toppings, take off the buns, use a fork and knife, and cut it all up into "cheeseburger salad." :thumbup: I have a question for you all: Has anyone found a good whole wheat/whole grain low-carb bread? :mad2: I was shocked to see to sugar content in most whole wheat breads! TIA! PS - A big hello to Minxz and LindaD, my fellow Mayo Banditos! :thumbup:

Hi Johnny, we're here to help. I was sleeved in Feb. 2018, then revised to RnY in Oct. 2018 due to reflux. I think it was worth it. 1. How long did you take off work? I'm told 2 weeks. I usually work from home at a computer. Was there much pain? I took 2 weeks to return to a desk job. Pretty much the same as the sleeve and similar pain level. 2. How long before you could work out again? I had other complications that skewed this one, so I won't comment. 3. Did you lose more weight than you wanted? No, I still had about 20# to goal and it took me 4-5 months to get there. 4. Did it resolve your acid reflux (if that was the reason)? Absolutely and immediately. 5. Were you able to enjoy good food at special meals (holidays, etc.) with RNY? I'm terrified of losing ability to have a nice meal with family. What does a normal meal capacity look like at a year out? I have less restriction with my RnY than I did with the sleeve. I am eating 1-2 cup meals now (10 months out). 6. Are bowel movements normal at some point? No problems, in general. 7. Could you drink alcohol again? I'm fine going months without but at some point would like to enjoy a glass of champagne again. I can't right now as carbonation is brutal. I enjoy the occasional 1-2 glasses of wine. I can't handle carbonation, though.

Can u ever have a drink again???

Everyone's body tends to have a different tolerance level for alcohol. What is important to remember is when we drink, we do responsibly and with an understanding of our bodies limitations. If we know we plan on drinking in excess, then as responsible adults we should have a plan in place prior to doing so for safe transportation home. Sent from my iPad using VST

Carbonated drinks like beer and soda are not recommended after being banded. And of course alcohol adds empty calories. Generally it's best to limit alcohol significantly during the weight loss phase and once you're at maintenance you might need to switch your drink of choice to wine or a hard liquor. Yeah, bummer! The left shoulder pain is because there is a nerve that runs from our belly to the shoulder and when the band gets tight we feel the tightness in our shoulder. I just got a fill and I have a twinge of pain in my shoulder as well. I know that's a signal that my band is working. This is a good time to learn to "read" these signals our bands are sending us. Unfortunately, I get a lot of gas from almost everything I eat since being banded. I am still trying to figure out how to treat it. Gas X hasn't helped much, I am trying Beano next.

I have only vomited four times post-op (I'm well over 2 years out now). One was when my whole family had a stomach bug and ALL of us were throwing up, so nothing to do with my sleeve. The second time was my second Thanksgiving post-op. I ate too fast or didn't chew well enough and something got "stuck". I had tremendous pain in my chest and foamies until I finally threw up and felt a million times better. The third time I went on a pub crawl and drank WAY too much alcohol... definitely nothing to do with my sleeve and everything to do with me being an idiot. The last time was this past summer. I ate way too quickly again or didn't chew thoroughly again then proceeded to play Lasertron (fancy laser tag) for about two hours. By the end I was dying. Again with the "stuck" feeling and foamies until I was able to throw up and get out whatever was stuck.

Mine came of by my 2nd shower with a soapy washcloth. I needed a little rubbing alcohol to get the residual adhesive off.

RE: These caramel nut chew bars. Are they a protein bar ? Atkins has protein bars and some other ones that are more like snacks/treats? The nougat protein bars are fabulous. Atkins changed the taste of their shakes and not for the better. :-( Doesn't the sugar alcohol give you horrible gas? One more question. Eating low carb always constipates me. That benefiber gives me gas too. Some advice as to what others are doing to keep constipation until control would be really appreciated! I've been lurking on this thread. I don't know what happened to the other low carb thread.

If I'm out sampling groundwater, spray from sampling gets all over your clothes and your equipment. Dust from drilling contaminated sites also settles all over you and your stuff. Some days when I get home I look like I'm ready to be deep fried becuase I'm covered in dust batter. Potentially contaminated dust batter. Some days I pretty much strip in the driveway because I can't bring the clothes I wore to work into the house for washing without turning them inside out. Bringing food and drink into the situation is generally a company no no because of the potential for it to get contaminated dust and splashes all over it. In the short term that's not a big deal, but after a few years of constant intake of low levels of contamination, you can get quite sick. I'm thinking maybe it's time to patent the beer hard hat. I'd fill it with non-alcoholic beverages of course...

I am 2 years post-op from RNY and my weight is flat-lined. As a matter of fact I weighed myself this morning and I am at my lowest weight thus far. So what am I doing. First, I am not hypersensitive about my weight loss. I weigh myself each morning but I use the scale only as a tool, not something to beat myself over the head with. It only tells me if I am making the wrong decisions on my experimentation with food. Second, I am getting most of my Protein from meals. I consume high protein meals and do not take protein supplements any longer. Third, I strictly stay away from processed sugars. I use low calorie sweeteners (such as Stevia), no calorie artificial sweeteners (such as Splenda), natural sugars (found in fruits and milk) and sugar alcohols. I had diabetes prior to surgery and have been in remission since the surgery and periodically monitor my blood sugar levels. And the testing shows this approach works. Fourth, I consume fats. Fats have the power to take away hunger. So generally, I am rarely hungry. Generally, I have a cup of coffee in the morning with a giant scoop of home made whip cream. I make it myself and use Splenda in place of sugar. I use whole milk and real butter. I might have 3 Adkins treats during the day which also have fats and no processed sugar. They take the edge away from hunger. I asked my nutritionist "Why do people have surgery only to gain some or all of their weight back over the years?" Her response was "grazing" which is probably synonymous with snacking. I will be the first to admit that I snack, but I think it is important to understand what is appropriate to snack on. I snack on protein and fats and exclude processed sugar. Fifth, I do not drink carbonated beverages anymore. I believe it is the carbonation that causes weight gain. It is like generating miniature explosions in my stomach that over time expand it out and allow it to grow and as a result, I gain weight. Six, I am aware of the conditions that cause me to loose additional weight and will sometimes take advantage of these conditions to capture and achieve additional long term weight loss. These fall into two categories. I have found that when I get the stomach flu, I will lose weight. I have also found that when I travel and am forced to eat out, I generally lose weight.

I can only speak for myself, but having the VSG one year ago was the best decision I've ever made. To date, I've lost 120 pounds and continue to lose weight (although much more slowly now). I knew from the beginning that the band was not for me and I went for my initial consultation with the surgeon thinking I was going to have the RNY procedure. It was my surgeon who suggested the VNY and I will forever be gratful to him that he did. I don't think I ever really focused on "having 85% of my stomach removed" although I was certainly aware of that fact. I just viewed this as the surgical procedure I needed to have to regain my health. I do notice that some people react strongly when I tell them exactly how much has been removed, but when they see the tremendous progress I have made. To be honest, there are still days when I long to eat some of the things and the volume that I used to, but like a drug addict or an alcoholic, I realize that I was not capable of handling food in a responsible manner. I am just grateful that I found a tool that has made it possible for me to manage my particular addiction. My advice is to do a lot of research and find out as much as you can about the procedure. You can certainly understand it without necessarily dwelling on the details. Good luck to you on your journey. Brian

Try these things: Always have crystal lite, tea or Water in your hand. Drink 64 oz a day No or very little Pasta, rice, bread, potatoes At least 60 grams of lean Protein a day (some can be from a Protein shake with less than 5 grams carb and sugar per serving) Exercise--it curbs appetite Don't eat in front of the TV Pay attention to portions Don't buy junk food at all and no fast food Never go grocery shopping when you're hungry Eat 3 meals a day with protein Snacks in between (but don't graze all day) Get a good night's sleep Take a Multivitamin every day Avoid coffee and alcohol (stimulates appetite) See my blog (link below) for some pre-op tips. If you blow it one day, start fresh in the morning and move on. It's a new day.

Well, I'm scheduled for my surgery on 8/13; pray for me! I am hoping that the problem with my severe reflux will be resolved and that the cause is a band slippage as he will be able to just reposition the band and leave it in place; the worst scenario would be total removal of the band,however, that would also mean,hopefully, a complete relief of my reflux symptoms and a wrap of the stomach around the esophagus for a "makeshift" lower esophageal sphincter which the one I have now may not be working properly. I really dont want to lose my band as I am so afraid of regaining the wgt more than anything; I am just now mentally being able to see myself as a smaller person; I look at my thighs that still have some "fluff" and see that as being overweight; I do need to lose about 10 more pounds to be at goal; I know I absolutely must exercise to maintain my wgt loss no matter what surgery will bring; thank you for everyone's encouragement and sharing your thoughts; I cant talk to anyone else as candidly about my feelings-skinny people dont understand;they tell me "just go on weight watchers",etc but as we all know if we could just go on this or that diet we wouldn't have needed a lap band to start with!That's like telling an alcoholic, just have a little glass of wine and you'll be fine or a drug addict, just smoke a little MJ and you'll be fine!!! If I start regaining the wgt I definately will consider another surgery even if it means without the blessing of my family; Thank you all for listening!

You have got a TON of great advice from everyone on here!!! One thing I can add is STOP STOP STOP watching cooking videos of foods you miss on YouTube!!!!!! That's pure torture!!!! That's like a recovering alcohol sitting at a bar watching everyone enjoying alcohol. It's torture and could lead to using bad judgment with food!

Totally agree, I am a recovering food addict. Food is really like any other maladaptive coping mechanism - Alcohol, drugs, shopping - just like anything that will keep your mind off whatever you don't want to think about. The difference is it is so socially acceptable. You cannot have a drink at your desk at lunch, but no one will question a double burger and fries. I am dealing with why I eat and this has helped me tremendously. I am getting banded on the 3rd of December and am really excited.

so i started to have some syomtoms of another UTI last firday just that i was peeing more my thought we just incress my fuild. Then i started to have a funny feeling by sunday afternoon i supepect maybe i have a UTI sunday night i became missable. I called the dr frist thing in the morning and they said you have a uroliglist apointment on wed do you think i could wait at frist i said okay but when i started to vomit and i was not keeping water down i knew i was in trubbble i called the dr back and said no i not sure i can wait and they said the frist they could get me in was a 3:20 pm with the nurse parcton for my PCP. I am still on antibotics for my last UTI and she relly had no idea what to do, She tryed to get hold of my uroligsts to figger out what to do, she mentoned the hospital and i said no i relly rather not she wanted to send me home and wait till the next day to see my uroligist i was dizzy and i knew i was deharated and she agreed I explaned to her how banded pepole should not get behind on fuilds and i was so nausas and was now at dry heavs as there was nothing left to come up as i had stoped drinking and was thowing up what i did drink. She agreed to give me IV fuilds two litters latter i was not better and still in the worst pain every this made my lap band seem like a peice of cake it hurt so bad. Finely around 7 she said I am sorry i can not send you home with a clear mind you relly should be in the hospital they can give you fuilds iv nusness meds and pain meds i am calling an amblenes, at the hospital they started askiing about my band, They do alot of gastic bi passes not gastic banding at this hosptial. That why i went with the one i knew did the band and did it well. They said with all the vomiting they were woried about a slip and this is why they hate the band and when it comes to this and they started asking about my sugeron and whated to talk to him they said would you be willing to let us do a revison if something is wrong with the band, They even paged the resdent on call for there barartic program to talk to me about a revison, Well the good news is the band is in pace they did a ct san and saw i had kidney stones and worst a major kideny infection and the dr said you know were admitting you right at this point i was under morphine and did not care about much expect that the morphine was making me feel so much better it was the only way we got though the ct scan other wise i would have never made it, They admitted me and gave me ton of fuilds to help me pass the stone and also get rid of my kindey infection that was the start of this whole thing. They asked me to eat i keeped explaning i am banded and i have lactose intalonince and need mushy food to them this ment ice cream cut cup pan cakes cut up muffins ground pasta each meal got worst. I said i can not eat this stuff I have a band in pluse i was so nausus that it did not matter, Finely they called in the barticitic nutrionist and looked at what they were giving me and said she can't eat any of that she has a band pluse offering a banded person ice cream and cake is like giveing an alcoholic a drink she said what she needs is protiine she probely very tired form lack of it and asked me how i felt i said whiped out draned and just blah. she got everything startened out and she went down to the kichen he self and explaned she needs less food more times a day we need to offer her a snacks with protine in it we also need to make sure she has two protine shakes a day to try and make up some of the lost protine that i had not had in the last 3 days and she also need to have access to water at all time and crystal light so she can meet her fuild recments all the sudden things changed. And best of al my dr said good new we know what you have do you want to go home he frist gave me scips for pill and i said do you know if these can be crushed then he said i don't know i explaned my dr has made a big deal that everything has to be crushed or lquid. He said why would you do this to your self? did you think about how your life would change? he said i never understood why pepole do not deit and exsizes I said you want to know exsizes i at the gym before my sugery 6 days a week one hour each time sometimes two I said i worked with a nurtionist on a deit and the most i lost was 4 1/2 lbs over 6 mounths only to get my peridod every mouth and gain 5. I said i did think about how my life would change how i would never eat a pizza again how i never have a handbuger on a bun how i would not be able to eat or drink toghter how my tast buds would change i said i thought alot about and I hate that question I lost 27 lbs in 4 weeks were before the sugery i stuggled to lose 4 1/2 and if that means crushing pills and takeing lquid form then so be it he gave me some persctions and i was on my way problem is no one had these percptions I got one that can be order tommorow and they were able to be change to something else. Then i find out that Cypro lquid form dose not come genric and it 55 dollors for what would be a 3 dollor perction I am not paying 55 dollors for this I going to make some phone calls to my urolgisest and see if it dose come genric mean while i am sitting with an untreated kindeny infection till i get this mess straitgen out

Paraphrasing Dr. Phil--I heard him say that sometimes habits form for one reason and continue for another--or other reasons. As I reach the conclusion that I do need WLS to be successful with permanent weight loss, I ponder why I got here (270 lbs.) in the first place. I know there are a lot of threads on this topic, but it helps me to "put it out there" for comments. I believe my THING with food started as a very young chlid. My family moved a great many times--I was in 3 different high schools 5 different times. Food was constant. Food was comfort. I definitely ate from emotions. But now--while I do believe I eat emotionally at times, I feel I overeat mainly for a sense of PHYSICAL CALM--perhaps for a serotonin increase or what have you. I've never been on anti-depressants, but I wonder if I need to be. I don't feel sad or hopeless. I'm just tired a lot (due to weight, I'm sure) and...I don't know. I know this, though. After my c-sections, I was given Lortabs for pain. While on these, I had NO desire for food. I felt calm. I can see how people get addicted to these pain meds. I just can't help but think that maybe we all (overeaters) have some slight chemical imbalance--some something missing that causes us to not feel satisfied on a normal amount of food. I'd love to know how thin people feel after eating little food. I'm sure many find other food substitutes to feel calm--like nicotine or alcohol. Ahh--I just want to feel normal. I'm near my "time" and have an incredible hunger though I'm not hungry. It's not emotional, I don't think. It's something definitely chemical/hormonal. Any thoughts?

Many of us are familiar with the real danger of alcohol addiction following surgery. Why this is the case is matter of debate. Reasons suggested are: Transference of food for self soothing, to alcohol Change in stomach structure which seems to change absorption depending on the form of WLS In another discussion board someone suggested the Sinclair Method as an alternative to AA. This had me really intrigued. My sister and several friends are in recovery and help other alcoholics. Dr. Sinclair did his work in Finland where he showed that 70%+ of problem drinkers were able to stop or greatly reduce their alcohol consumption by taking Naltrexone one hour before drinking. This drug was initially used to treat addiction to heroin. It blocks the release of endorphin's taking away the high, which lead to people being able to quit. (See this summary from a neutral source: http://www.centersite.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=11132&cn=14). What has me intrigued is the language we naturally use in our discussion of addictions be it food or alcohol..."Relationship." Many of us used to think of food as "our friend." And I know people who use the same word to describe their past relationship with drugs and alcohol. But we use the the term "friendship" in the past tense because when you are in the grip of addiction you don't realize the relationship. You just know panic if you thought it was going away. I think this is a point of reference most of us can understand when we look back, but we couldn't see it before surgery. Now I'm going to go from what I know, to speculation, and I'm hoping someone may be able to point me in the right direction. I think the transference starts because some WLS people who start drinking start feeling the same soothing they used to get from food from alcohol. The gaba receptors receive endorphin's which gives a warm feeling akin to sex or a close relationship. It's artificial, but to the brain it feels the same. The problem is with alcohol it takes more and more to get that feeling we all naturally want. For those of you who are familiar with Bill W and the AA model, this is what they refer to the disease of alcoholism. At the time of AA's founding there were no MRI or PET scans to show how the brain reacts to certain chemicals, but now we can see exactly what parts of the brain react. And from what I've seen as a lay person is the you can give someone a drink or an orgasm and the same gaba receptor parts are going to light up. (This is not to say these are equivalent, just in that section of the brain). The nation of India's Health Department recently suggested that Neltrexone be given to people before they have an alcohol problem which is interesting. Alcoholism is so bad there that they think this inexpensive drug might prevent people from becoming alcoholics. This is where I think there is an intriguing question, "Can we prevent WLS patients from developing a problem with alcohol by giving them Neltrexone if they decide they want to drink after the requisite few months post surgery? Now I'm sure there are those who will say "well you shouldn't drink anyway." Yes and teens shouldn't have sex before marriage, bla bla bla. I don't care. People will drink and are free to do so if they are over 21 in the US. What I'm thinking about is harm reduction and alcoholism prevention. Alcoholism is a real and expensive problem, and if it can be prevented, it is worth it. So if anyone knows about this or any research in this area please post. If anyone has fears that they have or are becoming alcohol dependent, but are scared to think about stopping drinking, Google The Sinclair Method. This isn't new. Neltrexone has been approved by the FDA for alcohol treatment since 1994. The science backing it up is solid. You just have not heard of it because most of the people who do treatment are abstinence only and they have a strong bias in that direction. Neltrexone is not a licence to drink, but may be one of the best tools to stop someone from hitting rock bottom helping them get control and I think a possible preventive medication but the idea of it as preventative is speculation on my part. I know this is kind of deep, but we have people here with a great deal of education and experience and I'm curious.

Alcohol absorbtion changes post surgery in bi-pass and sleeve, but not so with the band... The authors concluded that alcohol absorption was considerably modified after sleeve gastrectomy with higher and longer blood alcohol values for equivalent amounts of alcohol. Hagedorn et al. compared 17 controls and 19 postgastric bypass patients after consuming 5 oz of red wine to assess the change in alcohol metabolism [15]. Alcohol breath analysis was performed every 5 minutes. They found peak alcohol breath level of .08% in the bypass patients and .05% in the control group (P = .004). The gastric bypass group needed 108 minutes to reach alcohol breath level of 0 versus 72 minutes in the control group (P = .001). However, the gastric bypass patients didn’t experience more symptoms than the control group. A prospective crossover study of 19 gastric bypass patients found that postbypass patients have significantly higher peak breath alcohol content after ingesting alcohol (5 oz. red wine) at both 3 months (.059%; P = .0003) and 6 months (.088%; P = .0008) postoperatively than matched preoperative controls (.024%) [16]. Patients also took considerably more time to return to sober at 3 months (61 minutes) and 6 months (88 minutes; P = .01) than preoperatively (49 minutes). https://asmbs.org/resources/alcohol-use-before-and-after-bariatric-surgery If you read this study you will see there is a very real need to be vary wary of alcohol use post surgery, and it might be even more dangerous if people in your family have alcohol problems. But I'm more and more convinced that IF you are going to drink, look up the Sinclair Method http://www.cthreefoundation.org/, , http://www.the-sinclair-method.com/the-sinclair-method-guide/step-5-the-golden-step-staying-cured/.

The entire process was relatively 20 1/2 weeks, but only 10 1/2 weeks from my first consultation: February 13- started required 3 month supervised weight loss program April 24-consultation May7- psych eval, met with Nutritionist, lab work, swallowing study May 22- finished month 3 of program and submitted all required documents to Surgeon's office *this was a Thursday and Monday was a Holiday May 27-insurance company requests something from Primary Care Physician stating I had not been treated for substance or alcohol abuse within the past year (one of the requirements) June 3-Doctor's office finally has letter prepared and I faxed it in June 4-Insurance Approval!! Today(June 10)- waiting for the hospital to contact me bc they have to confirm that you dont have an outstanding balance, and they require you to pay a deposit. I spoke with the Bariatric Coordinator at my surgeon's office, and as of today the next available date for surgery is July7(they only perform the procedures on Mondays and Tuesdays, and you have to have time to do the pre op diet.

Hi, based on the mixed reviews I thought I’d respond. I got my lap band at NYU by Dr. George Fielding who is a veteran in the field and has the band himself, obviously I have world renowned physicians assisting me. So I’ve had really terrible experiences with changes in altitude, and they last longer than 48 hours, which caused concern each time because these forums tend to say it only lasts 24 to 48 hours. The first time I was 100% sure something was wrong with the band was after when I hiked over 1500 feet up a mountain. Three days later I was in the emergency room and they did all the tests and the lap band was fine and in the same place. I had to have it loosened but that was the first experience that it was so terrible by the third day I could not even drink water without throwing up. The next time was when I came from a flight to Mexico, that was pretty bad but only for about 24 hours, I already knew this might happen so I stayed on liquids. This most recent time I spent four days in the Adirondack mountains, I am now on day four of absolute torture. I was able to eat an avocado at night a day ago, only after drinking some alcohol, however otherwise, I have thrown up absolutely everything including coffee with milk, I can’t even eat soup and I am completely exhausted. Since I’ve been to NYU three times in the past two years after changes in altitude I’m not going to go again because this is the longest time I spent up in the mountains so I’m assuming that’s why it lasts so long — but just beware that different people have different experiences and you have to take a break and really relax and let everything get back to normal if you’re having side effects like me after drastic changes in altitude.