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Achieving your goals and rewarding yourself
fourmonthspreop replied to fourmonthspreop's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
LOVE all these answers. It's interesting to see how we differ. I definitely understand not being caught up on an arbitrary goal. I've quite literally used that word to describe weight loss numbers in the past but ultimately for me it's more about what it represents. As an adult I've never been less than 235 lbs and when I was that weight, I looked pretty "normal", was not "plus sized" in terms of clothing, seats, furniture etc. So I know getting below that number would mean I'd definitely look "average" again or even less signifying I'd fit well into this supposed designer trench coat I want. Maybe that's a weird way to think but I guess it helps me understand where I'm trying to end up. I believe I'll understand better just enjoying the weight loss as the days go by but I feel like being 262 lbs and 6 feet I'm not quite satisfied or can appreciate it yet. I still feel like a big football player lol but I'm trying to enjoy the results even if it's not over yet just thinking about where I began this journey at. It's a weirdly difficult battle, long, strange, trip. Sent from my SM-G975U using BariatricPal mobile app -
Do you ever "forget" you had surgery?
BigSue replied to lizonaplane's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I’m almost 2 years post op and I still kind of feel like my life revolves around my surgery. Not my surgery per se, but everything related to maintaining my weight loss. I spend so much time and energy preparing and eating food. I think so much about what I should eat and constantly have to decide how to “spend” my calories. I constantly analyze whether I’m hungry or full or head hungry. I spend so much time working out. I have to remember to take all my supplements at the right times (since some of them interfere with each other and/or my thyroid medication). It is exhausting! And I often wonder how sustainable this is. On the upside, though, I try to remember that being morbidity obese was also exhausting! I was constantly worrying about people judging my weight, whether I could fit into chairs or spaces, arriving everywhere early to make sure I wouldn’t have to squeeze between people, hiding what and how much I ate because people were judging (actually, I still hate being watched while I eat, still feel judged, even though I’m eating quite healthy), sweating all the time, etc. So either way, my life revolved around my weight, and on the balance, this side of it is better. But yeah, for me, every day still feels like a struggle. -
Sometimes the truth hurts
lizonaplane replied to Tony B - NJ's topic in Endoscopic Sleeve Gastroplasty Forum
As I said on the original thread, you were right, and I apologize. I just err on the side of taking people at their word. She said she was eating 1200 calories, and I know there are people who don't lose weight well after surgery - but I didn't realize that the weight loss with ESG is really kinda low anyway. So, she just chose the wrong surgery and her head wasn't in the right place, as she made clear in her later responses. I still don't think tough love is the best strategy for most people, but it sounds like she really needed further work on herself before she went through with ANY surgery. Again, my apologies for attacking you yesterday. -
Achieving your goals and rewarding yourself
lizonaplane replied to fourmonthspreop's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
I keep seeing variations on this theme here, and I never know what I would reward myself with. Partly because I'm so fortunate to have enough money that I can buy and do most things I really want. But also, I tend to be a spur-of-the-moment shopper/planner, so if I see something, and I can afford, and I want it, I buy it, or book the trip (a lot more of the latter, as travel is my passion). Of course, I'm not buying designer clothes. I'm more a thrift store, LL Bean, Chico's shopper. I do buy crafts, especially jewelry and ceramics, but again, I just buy stuff when I go to a craft show and never thought of it as a reward. I can't imagine getting a tattoo or plastic surgery (Not a fan of pain). I sort of agree with @FutureSylph - the weight loss is its own reward. I love that I can shop in regular stores now, but honestly, I'm not all that excited about the clothes they're selling. I love that I can fit more comfortably places, and walk faster. Maybe I'll think of something. I'm open to suggestions... -
Sometimes the truth hurts
Sunshine Princess replied to Tony B - NJ's topic in Endoscopic Sleeve Gastroplasty Forum
I read the thread and I’m sorry but there’s too many people who think they’re being supportive when in reality, it’s enabling. This process is tough and yes, sometimes in weight loss there are tough messages that need to be delivered. You stayed your case using data, facts, and logic. Your responses were not emotional. I’d rather surround myself on this journey with helpful people instead of enablers. -
Please tell me I haven't failed.
I♡BypassedMyPhatAss♡ replied to (Deleted through replacement's topic in Endoscopic Sleeve Gastroplasty Forum
This was an interesting thread and it took an unexpected turn. I would like to dedicate this thread to all of the non-weight loss surgery folks that say weight loss surgery is the easy way out. They could learn a lot by reading this thread. -
Please tell me I haven't failed.
lizonaplane replied to (Deleted through replacement's topic in Endoscopic Sleeve Gastroplasty Forum
1. Restaurants: I eat out about 90% of my meals because I travel for work. I just think carefully about what I'm eating and I stop when I've had enough. 2. Sweets: You just... have to make some changes in order to get the results you want. I have always had a sweet tooth, made worse by medications I take for bipolar disorder... but... I try not to eat sweets much now, and when I do, I use sugar free sweets or have a tiny piece. I CAN eat too much sweets without my restriction kicking in. It's up to me to make the choice that aligns with my goals for long term weight loss 3. Nice food: I love nice food. I just don't need to make it the only thing in my life anymore. I enjoy almost all of my meals, especially when I can enjoy them with friends or family, but it's not the only thing in my life (and I'm Italian!). It kinda sounds like you want to have your cake and eat the whole thing - you can't eat every single thing as much as you want and lose weight, and only have a surgery that is less effective, and not take time off from work, and not like fat people and not weigh your food... We all want it all, but it's just not possible. I would love to have NOT had this surgery that makes me uncomfortable all the time. But I wanted to be thin. I think you really haven't made up your mind what it is you want yet. -
I wasn't hungry at all for 11 days post op. But the last 4 days I have been. I know it's hungry, I can tell the difference between just grumbling vs growling. My stomach does both now. My weight loss is very slow coming off too. I get to start soft foods in a couple of days. Im looking forward to it.
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6 days post op and 0 lbs lost
Spinoza replied to BariBlonde's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Lots of people have a stall straight after their surgery. I did - took me around 10 days to start seeing losses. Please don't worry - if you hit your protein and fluid targets you will be fine, and you will definitely see a loss soon. Best of luck! -
Please tell me I haven't failed.
Starwarsandcupcakes replied to (Deleted through replacement's topic in Endoscopic Sleeve Gastroplasty Forum
This is going to be long so bear with me. First, let’s do the numbers. Your starting weight post clean out was 251. Your weight now on that same-ish scale is 215, that’s a 36lb loss. With ESG the average weight loss is about 10-20% of total body weight at a year meaning at 251lbs your average for 10-20% would be 25.1-50.2. Your actual weight loss is 36 for 14.34%. With ESG the total percentage of total body weight loss at 5 years from one study of 203 patients is only about 14.5% if follow up with providers is recurring most saw their biggest amount lost at 2 years post ESG. It seems that you’re on track for what that study suggests. I wouldn’t sweat it too much. Secondly, however I do want to offer some suggestions for food. Focusing on high volume, low calorie foods can offer bulk because you’ll have more to chew. For example- A 100g of cucumber is only 15 calories while 100g of cooked pasta is 160. If you miss pasta try tofu shirataki noodles- an entire 8oz package is about 20 calories depending on brand. These can sit a bit heavy though depending on the person. Salads full of leafy greens, fruits and vegetables with minimal dressing can help you feel full. They also provide crunch which I myself enjoy. Season your food!- bland food can be boring and unfulfilling and loads of “diet” food recipes lack flavor. Adding spices can help make things you’re eating more enjoyable and trick your brain into being satisfied quicker. Try roasted chickpeas- 1 can chickpeas drained and rinsed then tossed with garlic powder, paprika, onion powder, and chili powder (if you tolerate spicy) with a tsp of olive oil then baked at 350°F for about 25 minutes makes a great topping for salads while providing protein and fiber, both of which help keep you full. Lastly, make sure you’re following your clinic’s guidelines for liquids before and after meals. Drinking too soon after eating can make you feel hungry sooner and sabotage your hard work. If you can’t bear the thought of giving up liquids with all your meals try soup! Broth based soups are a great way to get in fluids, vegetables, protein, and flavor.- 65 replies
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Going to the gym VSG post-op (CONFUSED)
ms.sss replied to Vivis's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I was cleared for all exercise at 1 month. With that said, i didn’t start going “hard” until about 3 months post. Up until then, it was all walking. Staring around 3 months i started doing some sort of exercise for roughly 2 hours a day combined (and i mean some sort of activity that raised my heart rate to my optimum level for at least 45 continuous mins and/or some sort of strength training) I was able to do this while consuming less than 700 cals during weight loss phase. BUT i had a ridiculous amount of energy (dont really know where it came from), and I listened to my body and did not push further than what was reasonably comfortable (for ME). Everyone is different and only YOU can say when too much is too much. Try a little bit at a time and keep making decisions on whether to keep going, slow it down, or stop altogether. Your body (and labs) will tell you. And of course, let your team know what you ate doing. Even if it doesn’t contribute to your weight loss, you will still reap the benefits of regular exercise (i.e., FEELING GOOD) Now RE: lose skin. I can honestly say that I was probably in the best shape of my life (with some serious muscles) around 2 yrs post and i STILL had loose skin in areas (well, at least the areas that I didn’t plastics-surgery away). I would have had to gain and equal amount of volume in muscle to replace the fat I lost to fill it all in. And that would have been unrealistic and maybe even impossible. Not to mention, personally, i was not interested in looking like a body builder (respect to those who do). It really is up to you what kind of look/feeling you are going for, and what you are willing to do to achieve it. This early on though, i would give the insignificant opinion to focus on weight loss and nutrition for now. Good Luck! ❤️ -
Sometimes the truth hurts
Healthy4longerlife replied to Tony B - NJ's topic in Endoscopic Sleeve Gastroplasty Forum
I read the 3 pages on the original post you are referring to. And I have to agree with you on this. I understand people want support, but your original reply to the article was not rude, you tried your best to say it in a nice way. If people just want support with whatever their results are they anything we do in life is okay. I agree we all need to be positive , but if someone has a surgery that went far from what was planned as far as results, something needs to change, maybe a revision surgery, a change in the diet, see a therapist to deal with the demons we all have. You seemed to be more helpful than most on that chat that are just cheering on anything as its greaaaaaattt like tony the tiger. I really wish the OP of that chat a very successful weight loss journey. -
6 days post op and 0 lbs lost
kcuster83 replied to BariBlonde's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
If you have a calorie deficit you will loose weight. Point blank. Doesn't matter what you eat as long as it is less calories than you burn. Eating healthy is for other benefits, like some health problems. (Heart health) If you eat 500 calories of bacon a day, you might have a heart attack but you will still loose weight. My nutritionist actually calculated out mine at my last appointment, including how much weight a week I would loose based on the deficit. I am eating 17,500 LESS calories a week than my body needs to maintain my current weight. I was completely shocked. As you loose weight, the gap lessons but no matter what, a deficit means weight loss. Don't obsess, it happens if you are following the plan for sure. -
6 days post op and 0 lbs lost
ShoppGirl replied to BariBlonde's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Alot of doctors recommend just staying off the scales for a while post op because the loss is so unpredictable. If you stick to your plan you will lose. -
Please tell me I haven't failed.
I♡BypassedMyPhatAss♡ replied to (Deleted through replacement's topic in Endoscopic Sleeve Gastroplasty Forum
The reason I brought up the Sleeve Plication being different than the standard sleeve surgery is because I wanted to stress that not all weight loss surgeries are equal. After reading more about Sleeve Plication, it sounds a lot like the Lap Band, as in it doesn't do anything except give restriction... and neither surgery offers any changes to hormones. As a former Lap Band patient I personally know how much of a failure Lap Band is for a lot of people. You put in the work, but a majority of people with them never achieve their goal weight. Some surgeries are more powerful than others. So I feel like you're putting in the required work to lose weight, but it might be the surgery itself just isn't powerful enough. I felt like that about the Lap Band when I had it. I watched others lose much faster and more weight than me. It was very frustrating. I'd give the Wegovy a try when it becomes available. And there's an option to block people here. I find it helpful to not even read the Negative Nancy's. 😉 -
That's what I would have thought as well regarding the shakes, but nevertheless I would still pack in a couple of sachets just in case. And personally I would definitely be packing in more than just a toothbrush and toothpaste lol Like extra nighty or pj's, a gown, toiletries, hair dryer, hair brushes, phone charger. As you never know what to expect whilst in hospital with post op, as complications can arise resulting in longer stay.
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Going to the gym VSG post-op (CONFUSED)
lizonaplane replied to Vivis's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
That surgeon you posted the video on - he's interested in shocking people and being contrarian. He's not YOUR surgeon, he's never met or examined YOU and he doesn't know YOUR history. I think people here have posted a lot of excellent points. I was not cleared for lifting weights until 4 weeks out, when I was cleared for everything. However, I had not been doing much besides walking and swimming until that point. As @Arabesque said, exercise will not reduce your loose skin. It's just basically something you will or will not have to deal with, but most likely, you will have loose skin. Exercise is great for overall health, and weight lifting is good to reduce the amount of muscle mass you lose after surgery, but it's a minor part of your weight loss. it's better for keeping weight off long term. -
6 days post op and 0 lbs lost
lizonaplane replied to BariBlonde's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
You often gain up to 10 lbs in the hospital from all the fluids they pump you full of, so it can take up to two weeks to start seeing any weight loss. You WILL lose weight - you just need to be patient. There are lots of "stalls" along your journey where you won't lose weight for a few weeks and may even gain a pound or two for a few days. Hang in there! -
Just curious if anyone else has experienced this? I'm not necessarily upset about the lack of weight loss, but rather concerned since I'm under 450 calories per day and drinking my 64oz water for the most part. It just seems odd to me.
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Going to the gym VSG post-op (CONFUSED)
Queen ApisM replied to Vivis's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Prior to surgery I was working with a trainer 2x a week for many years. We did a combo of strength training (sometimes with heavy weights), balance, cardio, flexibility. At 2 weeks out, I could not have handled hard workouts. I did start walking more and focused on that for my exercise for the first two months, until I could get up to 800-1000 calories consistently. My program wanted us to be active as soon as possible, but did not want us doing hard workouts if we were not getting at minimum, 800 cals, and ideally more than that. In fact, I’m now 9/10 months out and that calorie expectation is more like 1500 cals on workout days (a bit less, like 1300, is ok on non-workout days). Having said that, I think going hard at 2 weeks post op is unwise. You are still healing inside for quite a while still. You aren’t taking in many calories and it is incredibly hard to do so even if you want to. Maybe focus on easy movement, like walking more, for a while longer. Once your cals increase and you are further into recovery, you can expand your horizons with exercise. For me, that was around 2 months. I scaled back what I’d been doing previously (mostly using slightly lighter weights and we were careful with the ab work for a while) but I quickly was back to where I was. Personally, I’m not just exercising for weight loss. It’s to strengthen my heart, keep my muscles in good shape, strengthen my bones, release stress and tension. I absolutely would never wait to get to or close to goal to start exercising. There are so many important things that come from exercise that have nothing at all to do with weight loss. -
Please tell me I haven't failed.
I♡BypassedMyPhatAss♡ replied to (Deleted through replacement's topic in Endoscopic Sleeve Gastroplasty Forum
I'm not very familiar with sleeve in general, but doesn't sleeve plications offer a lesser amount of weight loss than the standard sleeve surgery? Maybe because the standard sleeve surgery removes the part of the stomach that produces ghrelin, that gives them the added power of hormone regulation, so maybe that's why you've loss less weight? You didn't have any alteration in hunger hormone. Perhaps this is why you seem to have lost less weight than you were expecting? Nonetheless I'd reach out to your team about what to do next. Best wishes. -
Going to the gym VSG post-op (CONFUSED)
Hop_Scotch replied to Vivis's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Regardless of weight loss surgery, 7 days a week doing weights seems a little over the top (unless you a doing some type of combo upper/lower splits). While cleared two weeks post op, it doesn't mean you should be doing the same routine and particularly the same weights as prior to surgery, even if you felt okay. You aren't getting a lot of nutrition and you are unlikely to be able to sustain the intensity Take a step back, give your body time to heal. Do some walking for another couple of weeks, not big power walks. Consider moderation. At the most for weights two to three days per week per muscle group for a few months once you get back into weights. Don't burn yourself trying re-establish pre op exercise baselines immediately. -
Going to the gym VSG post-op (CONFUSED)
Tony B - NJ replied to Vivis's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Think about this as a whole body approach. We are not just trying to cut calories and lose a little weight, we are looking to lose weight, change our lifestyles and get more healthy. I have watched a lot of Dr. Vong and while he says he is anti exercise, I really think he is referring to doing cardio for an hour a day because it is hard to compensate for all the calorie loss. That said, I don't think he or any doctor is going to tell you to not exercise at all. You have to get the body moving and assist with the calorie deficit, build muscle and get healthy. Walking a few miles a day is NOT cardio and it must be done to get the body in shape and help lose weight and build muscle. In the sense that someone said that exercise does not prevent loose skin I agree but exercise DOES build muscle which can fill some of that void that the fat vacates. I walk nearly 5 miles per day and ride bike weather permitting 3-4 times a week. I have lost 105 pounds in 8 months and 14 inches around my waist. It is working so I am going to continue it. Part of this whole process is weight loss and feeling physically better. Exercise is crucial in that process. -
Please tell me I haven't failed.
Tony B - NJ replied to (Deleted through replacement's topic in Endoscopic Sleeve Gastroplasty Forum
So, I hate to be a wet blanket here and I know everyone is trying to be supportive, but to get major weight loss surgery and after a year being only 22 pounds lighter seems to me to be a bit of a failure....I am just being brutally honest. Part of supporting people is to sometimes tell them the truth and try to get them to take action. If I were in the same situation, I would go back to a low calorie, high protein, low fat, low/no carb diet and get exercising ASAP. The fact is, there has to be a calorie deficit and it we are gaining weight back, there is an issue with that deficit. Maybe we are not counting all our calories....maybe we are not counting at all......maybe we are doing ZERO exercise......maybe a lot of things but what we do know is that it is not working and we are gaining weight. It is time to reevaluate EVERYTHING and get back to what made weight come of in the first place. -
Going to the gym VSG post-op (CONFUSED)
Arabesque replied to Vivis's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Yes, it’s always best to follow your surgeon’s advice but you also have to consider what you are able to do. Have to admit I’m surprised you are able to weight lift so soon after surgery given the weight restrictions we’re given. I could only lift/carry 5-10kgs the first fortnight then 10-20 the next fortnight. Many of us are advised just to walk to begin but 🤷🏻♀️. There are lots of benefits to regular exercise but the truth is exercise will only contribute 10-20% of the weight you have to lose. So if you have to lose 100lbs, exercise will account for only 10-20lbs. I barely exercised at all & I not only reached goal but exceeded it. But that was my choice. And exercising doesn’t help to reduce the amount of loose skin you’ll have. That’s dependent upon factors like age, gender, genetics, how much weight you have to lose, how long you were at the higher weight & your weight loss/gain history. Loose skin is about your skin being stretched out & it’s ability to retract back. That’s the elastane in your skin not your muscles. My friend & fellow sleever is a keen cyclist (100-200km a week) has rock hard thighs of steel but she still has all her loose skin. Best advice is to listen to your body & do what you are capable of & comfortable doing.
