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Medowsweet replied to Creekimp13's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I have done a lot of research on diets (as most obese ppl have, I suspect) and what I find is, from Keto to Vegan to Paleo to Weight Watchers they all have something in common: 1) avoid sugar 2) avoid refined grains and other highly processed carbs 3) avoid processed food and fake food even if it has no carbs (hot dogs, diet soda, etc) 4) eat whole food as close to nature as possible 5) eat your veggies! Beyond that there is a ton of variations and different things work for different people -
I wasn't quite as big as you when I started, but I did start my six month pre-op diet program at 397 pounds. I lost 99 pounds during the six months pre-op (I was so ready to make a change, so I took the plunge into keto eating), and lost the rest of my weight down to goal (180 pounds) at one year and 4 days post-op. That would have been a total of 217 pounds total by one year and 4 days post-op. Here are my questions for you: How many calories do you take in per day? Carbs? Protein? What do you do for exercise? Do you track everything you eat and drink? I ask these questions to maybe get a better picture of your journey. Everyone loses weight at different rates, but when you start off at a higher weight, it usually comes off at a quicker pace if you are doing what you need to do. (But there are SO many factors at play...) I won't even get into the relationship thing in this post. But, I will say this -- everyone deserves to be with someone that loves them for who he or she is, not for who he or she could be...
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So I can't stand light mayo or light salad dressings and I'm not sure I'll be a fan of Greek yogurt in its place. I get to start week 3 tomorrow and I'm so dang excited becuase I plan to make egg salad (I raise backyard chickens so can't wait to finally get back to eating their butt nuggets! 🤣), chicken salad, and tuna salad and I was planning on using regular mayo. My question as a new post bariatric patient is future plans with this eating lifestyle. My nutritionist said I won't be eating carbs for a while and even when I do start to introduce them, she said a lot of bariatric patients don't tolerate much of them. I was thinking low carb would be best for me as I have done it before but how would that work if I need to do low fat too? I've done keto before and to me, it's sooo much easier than low fat so I'm curious what others are doing successfully. Is there a way to find a happy medium between low carb and low fat?
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I will be doing a variation of keto in that I have no intention of eating any fruit since I don't care for most of it and I don't want to trigger any sugar cravings. I also have gluten sensitivity and don't eat any gluten containing products (wheat/barley/rye) or the gluten free crap they sell at the store. I do make my own almond bread which I do not plan to have until much later. I love almost all vegetables and I am the queen of cauliflower. I absolutely adore chicken or shrimp fried "rice" with cauliflower as well as other recipes. I plan for this to be my ongoing weight loss diet. I do not purchase any fat free stuff and use small amounts of regular unsalted butter and/or EVOO. I did get some plain, reduced fat FAGE greek yogurt for my current postop period but not eating much of it (2-3 ounces per day) Protein sources of chicken breast, salmon, shrimp, fish, black or red beans. Not a big red meat fan. Love all types of cheese but will have very little, more like a garnish. I dislike sodas and juices so no worries there. My downfall are the candy type protein bars (atkins and others) and sugar free chocolate stuff that taste so good that it is hard to eat a reasonable portion so those are out. Swearing off all alcohol until football season at the very earliest. Hopefully by then I will not want it.
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True keto in it's present derivation is "high fat." But when I started with Atkin's '72, 18 years ago, although it's considered "high" fat, by the SAD standard, it was still pretty low. It was around 65% and for today's keto that is very low. The Dukan diet is also keto. It's much much lower version and also gets and keeps you in ketosis. And features very low fat protein. The argument is rabbit starvation. But that's a load of malarky when you are talking about obese people. We have all the fat we need on our bodies at this point.
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True Keto is high fat, moderate protein, extreme low carb. I have been keto for quite a while. I do very traditional Keto and use calculated macros, which are calculated according to my weight/height/ etc. I started Keto when I was struggling with regain and got some not-so-good health updates that finally kicked me into action and got the ball rolling. I have done really well, losing 40 lbs almost effortlessly. I have lost all of my regain, but I'd like to go another 20 to get to my ultimate goal. Hopefully by the end of summer I'll be there. I also incorporate Intermittent Fasting into my regimen and do this when I feel like carb creep is getting to be an issue. It works wonders and has definitely helped with my loss. My doc is all for it, and very supportive of the whole thing.
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I'm kinda like you AshAsh. I just follow my program. I make most of my food homemade and love veggies, so it's lean protein first, veggies second, and a tiny bit of fat. Most of the time I choose avocado as my fat cuz I love it so much. But I also have a little EVOO and butter. Love ghee! So it just falls naturally to that keto/low carb side. But I'm not one of the modern ketoneers who go eat fat, fat, fat, fat!
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#16 Listened to the Keto Diet Podcast (Leanne Vogel), episode w/ Ashley Salvatori. I play with keto but I am not all in. Still can't believe that so much fat can ultimately be good for you. Especially since many of the people in my IF groups that do keto have terrible bloodwork. But i am open minded---and desperate!! #17 Did this last weekend, but I can't seem to dump my old clothes. they are piled in bags in the bottom of my closet. Day 3 of my no junk food challenge. I want to murder someone.
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What treatment ws used to remedy the pain? I have been banded for 10+ years. It was not a sucessful in weight loss. I just stopped going for fills and sort of forgot about band. I started have severe mid back pain. I ended up at Kaiser they performed 2 cat scans one with contrast, 1 MRI and now they are going to do an upper GI. I found this site over the week end and now believe it is the lapband. If I get in a car OMG the pain is so intense. This pain has been going on for 3 weeks I am exhasted from it. I belong to Kaiser so must get refferal before going to a specialist. I also started the KETO diet 4 months ago and have lost 25 pounds. At first I thought it was attributed to that. I hated the thought of being told I had to stop diet it is the first sucess I have had in years. Is anyone here a kaiser member?
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Pre-Op Diet, Two weeks out!
Arabesque replied to MasonMoonGirl's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Welcome to the wide & varied pre & post surgical plans. 🙂 I was put on a keto plan before surgery. My surgeon puts different patients on different pre surgical diets. A friend was on the all shake diet & her friend was on the two shakes & one meal version yet we had the same surgeon. I think he does it based on a number of factors: starting weight, pre existing health status, weight loss/gain history, etc. Maybe your surgeon is the same. I wouldn’t be concerned, just enjoy still having a variety of food choices available to you. All the best with your surgery. PS - Best to avoid fruit juice too as it has a high sugar content. Natural sugars but still sugar & calories. It takes several pieces of fruit to make a glass of juice but you would sit down & eat the sane number of pieces of fruit in one go. Plus it lacks a lot of the essential nutrients a whole piece of fruit does. When you can introduce fruit into your diet again go for whole fruit not juice. -
Easy with the high horse. Some of us currently hide behind said academic walls with dubiously obtained doctorates in Epidemiology. I suppose that in 'T.A-ing' 2 nutritional Epi courses, I must have passed along tons of 'crappy science' to students right? That's irrelevant to this topic anyway. I don't know why you're going on about Keto not being a fad, as if I said so somewhere. I just repeated what some studies said. On another post when I mentioned contrary study findings, you deemed them to be wrong, because they didn't agree with your "undoubtedly lengthy, and peer reviewed" research. oh well, I have said my piece.. moving on....
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Keto was also used in the early 1900's as a treatment for diabetes,
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OutsideMatchInside I think pinned it down with talking about people's body composition. I rarely find people suggest that everyone benefits equally or everyone should do this diet, because everyones tolerance, discipline, comorbidities, genetics, etc. are not the same. But that isn't the issue, the issue is suggesting the keto diet has no scientific basis, which is 100% wrong.
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I like Crazy Richard's PB no added sugar, just peanuts (incase sugar affects you poorly) https://www.crazyrichards.com/product/creamy-peanut-butter/ My body fat is around 27 (measured from a couple of months ago) @ms.sss your carbs are still (keto level?) low, you may continue to lose with those macros @sillykitty during my drop from the 170s to the 150s my looks fell apart too 😥 when i got down to 150 i looked absolutely gaunt. I look decent at 155, I'm still mad i can't spot target weightloss @Healthy_life2 thanks for the meal plans... I am totally interested in switching things up a little
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With my nutritionist's approval - I've started my breakfast and lunch with Keto Chow protein powder. So I'm slowly getting used to more liquid and less food. It's beginning to affect the food portions when I eat dinner, so I think that is a great plus!. I'm adding Orgain college peptides wot my water to make sure I'm getting enough protein prior to surgery as well. I'm down 14 pounds towards my 20lb goal before the surgery. So far so good
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I was just wondering who's bariatric (real food stage) instructions were to avoid fruits and beans? I get the people that choose atkins and keto avoid Fruit, beans, whole grains, corn, peas, lentils, peanuts, berries, squash, yams, potatoes, etc [I am wondering if people are having success when they avoid grains, sugar, and processed food, but eat a variety of whole natural foods, including berries, squash, fruit, nuts, and beans?] Four years out - My diet is mostly clean whole foods - proteins, veggies, fruits, nuts, sweet potato, lentils/beans, squash, nuts, dairy. I am not 100% clean. I balance all my foods to fit my calories and macros for the day.
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This baffles me, how do you keep it so low? Are you doing Keto?
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No problem. I guess I'm referring to insulin resistance effect on different diets mentioned in the book. I certainly don't agree that the keto he pushes is sustainable or healthy.
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ms.sss replied to ms.sss's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
5'2", ♀️10m PO, maintaining 115.6 lbs Yesterday, Sun Aug 25: I swear, I felt like I was eating NON-STOP yesterday. Btw, another Spoiler Alert: I didn't even attempt the planned 10K run this morning, I woke up super-unnaturally tired and achy and meh despite the calorie and carb increase yesterday (Yeah the carbs were still on the low-ish side for a regular balanced diet, but not for me) This got me to thinking to another possible reason as to why I've been feeling so unenergetic/tired/un-10K-runnable: Keto Flu! I went from being super carbaholic for over a week and then back to 30-40g daily carbs. Sooooo, modifying my experiment: will keep carbs at a level I know I like (while still upping cals in form of fats) and see if this lethargy passes in a few more days and the 10K comes back to me... Yesterday's Menu: Totals: 1910 cals - 112g protein - 70g NET carbs - 111g fat 9:30am (2 cals) 1 black coffee w/ ½ packet of Stevia 11:40am (560 cals) salad greens + 37g cucumber + low-cal vinaigrette 87g pan fried chicken 2 slices bacon 50g cashews 1:35pm (157 cals) salad greens + balsamic vinaigrette 1½ tsp roasted pine nuts 3 calamari rings 2:45pm (368 cals) 2 chicken wings w/ apple butter BBQ sauce 2 carrot sticks w/ ranch dip ½ pecan butter tart black coffee 6:30pm (284 cals) ½ tsp wasabi + 1½ tsp soy sauce 32g seaweed salad sashimi: 1*salmon + 1*scallop + 1*blue fin + 2*hamachi + 3*sweet shrimp + 4*masago 7:30pm (360 cals) 50g cucumber + 2½ tbsp cream cheese + 1 slice bacon ½ stalk celery + 2 tbsp almond butter 8:00pm (180 cals) 2 shots of Rose Gin Yesterday's Exercise: 15m strength training (arms) 15m strength training (core & butt) -
Thank you for your reply! Yes, since weight has been a focal point in my life, I’ve been weighing myself daily on every single plan I’ve ever done, from HCG, to Keto etc. I started my current journey many months ago when I was going through the 6 month approval process. I weigh myself each morning, naked…after using the bathroom and before consuming anything to eat or drink. I was completely baffled when it said 226.6 this morning when the last two days it has said a solid 225. Im going to have faith this is just for today lol! The only thing I changed is I added some more calories thinking that would help break the 225 stall. The only other thing that has changed is that for the last few days, I’ve went for 20-30 min walks.
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I was put on a keto diet plan by my dietician for the 2.5 weeks pre surgery & I was ever so grateful. One friend was on 3 shakes a day for two weeks while another was on 2 shakes plus 1 high protein low carb meal for 4 weeks. Which ever plan you’re given stick to it. It starts the process of re-examining your food habits & making better food choices so you can take the best advantage of your surgery. Good luck with your surgery & on your journey.
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100%. Keto totally works for some people but not others. You definitely need to keep track of cholesterol and triglycerides and probably other things I can’t think of since it’s so fat focused. I have lots of friends who do heavy, heavy crossfit on Keto and are doing amazing!!
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I gosh I don’tdo Keto! Just lower carb. I didn’t do it during the loss phase or now at maintenance. Way to hard to maintain the chemistry of keto... and the fat.
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What to tell coworkers?
AdiosAnnie300 replied to chelsey211's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I did something very similar. I have not told anyone but my husband and best friend. I have been very public about my meal planning and doing modified Keto. I post my weight loss milestones. No needs to know that I had surgery to give me a better tool. I know some people would say I took the easy way out. I told my work I needed to have. Minor surgery for a reoccurring medical condition. For all they know it was to fix a Hemmeroid. -
I have toyed with the idea of keto recently, too. (I'm 8.5 months out and loss has slowed considerably and I'm not ready to lose momentum). I've found that googling keto calculator brings up a bunch calculator options that can tell you how many carbs, protein, and fat you should be eating. Here's what's stopping me, though... true keto is about eating a high percentage of fat and considerably lower percentage of protein. While it will probably help us drop weight, we have to be concerned about our levels of protein because we're already on a rapid weight loss journey and need higher amounts of protein to help reduce muscle loss and maintain satiety. Just some food for thought. Like I mentioned, I'm considering it myself, but seeing the calculators has me concerned because a true keto diet would not allow me to reach the protein goals set by my physician. Realistically, by following a high protein, low carb diet, we can probably already maintain a low level of ketosis anyway, without compromising the extra protein we need to minimize muscle lost. I also have some reservations about it being a truly healthy lifestyle to maintain long term because of the high percentage of fat (it's supposed to be "good fat", I know, but we know that too much "good fat" is also bad for health) as well as the number of chemical substitutes that people use to maintain the lifestyle.
