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Alcohol is certainly not beneficial in the direct sense of weight loss. I'll say this, though.....I've lost almost 170 pounds and enjoying myself. If that means having some Tito's vodka on the rocks with a splash of cranberry then so be it. I'm going to have fun and enjoy myself. Turning loose and relaxing a bit helps keep me on track. I stay fairly strict on the "Protein first & normally only" eating. On a cruise this week and killing the lobster, shrimp, steak and Breakfast Proteins.....but also having fun. Making sure I get some productive gym time in daily, too.
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So I know some will come in here and say "no, stay away!" But I'm not one of them. I'm a traveling salesman and I had my first cocktail about a month post op. Empty calories? Yeah, but we all know that. Stay away from beer, gas pain will hurt and it's like drinking liquid bread. I haven't had wine...but I stick to 3 cocktails since I entertain clients often (and the 4th meal drunken eating has completely stopped for me). Whisky Sours, Long Island's without the coke (tastes like lemonade), and hurricanes are my chosen poisons. Let's be honest though, alcohol can be a slippery slope (transfer addiction). As with everything post-op, moderation is key...if you let history repeat itself and alcohol contributed to your weight gain then the surgery was all for nothing. If that's not an issue...cheers!
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My last food loving eat all I want phase before my liquid diet.
JLilley417 replied to koddie's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
When I went in for my surgery the girl in the hospital bed next to me had changed clothes into her gown and laid down for her pre-op routine. She had put on 5lbs since she had seen the doctor last and swore up and down she lost weight on her liquid diet. The doctor sent her home and said "we will reschedule your surgery for when you want to take this more seriously." I guess what I'm saying is don't go overboard. I'm two months post op (70lbs lost) and I've dabbled with things like ice cream, Taco Bell, chick fil a, whataburger, alcohol, etc. You must realize your relationship with food moving forward is not a "never again" type scenario but is most certainly a "in extreme moderation" one. -
What I was told is that alcohol is empty calories...also because your stomach is now smaller and holds less food it will take you less to get drunk. Other than that a little wine here and there won't hurt you
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Some surgeons recommend no alcohol at all post-op because of the risk of addiction transference. Many WLS patients are at a high risk for developing other addictions post-op, once they can no longer maintain their addiction to food. If you find that it is hard for you to control your drinking or stop drinking, that might be some cause for concern. Physically, there's no real risk to your sleeve from alcohol. You may get drunk faster and your impaired judgement might cause you to eat more or eat the wrong things. Plus, as you pointed out, it's empty calories.
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Hello all. I am 52 and had my sleeve surgery on September 1. I am down 60 pounds from my first consultation appointment. I seem to be a bit stuck but really it's probably my fault. I am not working out as often and getting back in to some bad habits. I have 29 more pounds to go. I am drinking adult beverages again and having no adverse effects. I know it's empty calories but old habits die hard. Trying to stick to a vodka and crystal lite but sometimes wine sneaks in. Anyone know what the evils of alcohol are after this surgery besides slowed down weight loss? Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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Three Weight Loss Surgery Maintenance Models - Abstinence, No Dieting, or Mindful Moderation
VSGAnn2014 posted a topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
After you've lost all your excess weight and are in the maintenance phase of WLS life -- either newly or several years down the road -- what's the best eating path for you to follow? There are at least three major schools of thought about how to eat during WLS maintenance, with hybrids of these approaches. Each approach has enthusiastic boosters and rabid opponents among WLS patients. Each approach is espoused by some WLS surgeons, nutritionists, psychologists, bloggers, coaches, and those who sell WLS products. (1) Abstinence Approach: WLS patients should abstain forever from specific foods, especially those that contain sugar, processed carbs or alcohol. Proponents of the abstinence approach to maintenance offer advice to WLS patients like this: "Bread is empty calories and a waste of valuable pouch space." At http://www.bariatriceating.com/2016/02/can-versus-difference/ "Say no to alcohol." At http://www.bariatricpal.com/topic/364081-bariatric-realities-%E2%80%93-medical-professionals%E2%80%99-guidelines-about-alcohol-use-wls/?hl=%20stapleton (2) No Dieting Approach: Some WLS patients report that they have maintained their weight losses by eating in moderation all foods that appeal to them. "I didn't have WLS to be on a diet the rest of my life" is a refrain often heard from this group. The major tool in this approach to WLS maintenance is portion control. (3) Mindful Moderation Approach: This approach has a foot in both the abstinence and non-dieting camps. Those who follow this approach select their foods based primarily on nutritional content, but indulge occasionally in the kinds of "treats" eschewed by abstainers. They endeavor to observe their feelings and behaviors around food choices and use this information to inform future choices. Recognizing that all WLS patients are not alike -- we vary considerably with regard to our surgery types, complications, physical and mental health challenges, emotional resources, basal metabolic rates, degree of family support, access to therapy/counseling, macronutrient tracking (with an app or mentally), physical exercise (intensity and frequency), etc. -- which maintenance approach works best for you? EDIT: Or if you know of other approaches to successful maintenance you think work well, please describe them here.- 35 replies
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Positive44 replied to Positive44's topic in Tell Your Weight Loss Surgery Story
Eating while out of town... Well, family traveled out of state for our daughter's softball tournament and I ate horrible!! Restaurants - Buffalo Wild Wings, IHOP, Subway, McDonald's, Small Town Restaurants Ate when not hungry Kept something in my mouth at the games... Candy! Didn't have Protein shakes Sampled foods high in calories and sugar Felt bloated Had 2 free alcoholic beverages I worked out 4 days last week, ate bad for 3 and the result is weight gain!!! Time to get back to my routine ugh... -
When Have You Gotten Off Track?
shriner37 replied to Alex Brecher's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
At five months after VSG I was clicking along, well on track for my weight loss target. Then came almost two months of extensive travel, being on the road almost every week. This included a week-long sales meeting, a week of vacation and a week of training plus some other trips. I got completely off track from my diet and also consumed way more alcohol than I should have. Long and short, my weight loss stopped in its tracks. I think I lost two pounds over two months. The good news was that despite all of this I didn't gain anything. Getting back on track meant going back to basics. A return to tracking all of my intake, with a focus on Protein and limiting carbs. Plus a re-dedication to physical activity and exercise. The combination of these has gotten my weight loss moving again. -
Honestly, what is everyone eating 1-3 yrs post op
Cape Crooner replied to nprcowboy's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I'm 6 months and only went into maintenance a month a go. As long as I'm under goal, I do a combination of "yellow days" and "green days". On a yellow day, I eat what I ate when I first got cleared for solid foods - about 1200 calories/day. On green days, I "pretty much eat anything" and have some sugar free alcohol (vodka, whiskey, red wine). Still, thanks to my sleeve, I doubt it's more than 2,000 calories. So far so good. In the event I go more than a pound or two over my goal weight, I'll go back on "red days" and log everything and target 1,000 calories. So far, so good... -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Cape Crooner replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
Prior to my VSG surgery, I thought alcohol might actually be the root cause of my weight problem. I now know that isn't the case. Yes, alcohol does increase hunger and that puts me in a dangerous place, but as someone who only drinks vodka, whiskey, or red wine a few times a week, the empty 200-300 calories in a couple of drinks wasn't the problem. My problem was misinformation about what was the right food to eat and what was causing me to gain weight. As a 40 year Atkins dieter, I would munch nuts, cheese, and dark chocolate with impunity when I drank. I would also consume these on days when I didn't. I also think some people are fine with alcohol and some are not. From my experience, some people have a drink and want more, then more, then more. They wake up hung over and want another. For these people, abstinence is the best choice. That's not me. When I retired, I acted like I was on vacation for 4 months. I drank every evening and by the end, I was no longer enjoying it. I find that my level of enjoyment is a direct function of how long I abstain. I also find that the more I drink, the less I want another. I have been back to drinking post opt for the last few months. I now drink less and more importantly, I plan what I'm going to eat when I drink and all the calories. Finally, I'm not going to claim that alcohol is "good for me". The truth is that the vessels of clay that we call our bodies die a little every day. More likely than not, alcohol, a cigar, a marbled steak, Tylenol, and 15+ minutes of direct sunshine will all speed up our bodies clocks. That said, I have news for everyone. "None of us are getting out of here alive". If you had wls, you already made a huge deposit of extra lifetime in your bodies clock. Sure, abstinence might help you make it to 90 or 95 and if that's important to you, abstain. Me, I'm happy knowing that I potentially added 15-20 years through my wls. It's all relative and I'll keep drinking socially because I believe the psychological benefits outweigh the physiological costs. But that's just me! -
Honestly, what is everyone eating 1-3 yrs post op
tptacnik replied to nprcowboy's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Skinny Cow heavenly crisp. My biggest downfall is the calorie and carb bomb that is alcohol. I love wine and margaritas, and aside from being a super cheap date, I know these things have zero nutritional value but still refuse to give them up. Sent from my SCH-I435 using the BariatricPal App -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
OKCPirate replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
I'm glad everyone has been respectful too. Be careful with the claims in the popular press on health benefits of wine. It's actually much more complicated than "the flavonoids protects you from cancer." Here is an interesting presentation summarizing some of the major studies: http://kisefront02.ki.se/sites/default/files/alcohol_women.pdf The health benefit might be from one glass for women...but that ends with more than one. There is a very slight increase in morbidity as you drink more. But so little that British health officials said to effect "nothing alarming, just warn people to be careful." The most interesting question some researchers are asking is "wine drinkers seem to be more social, and having friends seems to be more important than the wine itself." Wine has been a medicine for 5000 years. Paul in the bible told his protege Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach. But I'm under no illusion that having a glass is going to make me healthier. Hanging around with friends and enjoying laughter might be great medicine, but that is not my motivation ...my motivation is I really enjoy it. Enjoy life, but don't fool yourself over this, I can look at my own family and see the dangers of abuse of alcohol and drugs, but I also enjoy the relaxing properties of drinking. Just be a responsible adult and keep your eyes and mind open. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
slvarltx replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
Wow a mature discussion without anyone getting nasty! I concur with @@OKCPirate says about the term "toxin". At certain doses virtually anything can be termed a "toxin". In fact, there is a vast database supporting the fact that there is a therapeutic dosage of alcohol between 1-2 drinks per day that significantly extend lifespan. Being honest, I don't normally stop at 1-2 drinks, nor do I want to drink everyday. Weirdly enough, post surgery, I enjoy stout and porter beers that are bubbly due to nitrogen rather than carbon dioxide. Yesterday being a beautiful sunny day, and I had already been to the gym, and done all of my outdoor chores, I drank 4 guiness nitro cans in my hot tub while reading a magazine and soaking up the sun. Enjoyed the heck out of it. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
OKCPirate replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@Connie Stapleton PhD - Thanks for the clarification. I understand the warnings and advice to abstain to maximize success. The tone just comes across like this scene from Mean Girls: The term toxin is loaded, pejorative and a bit misleading. Tylenol is toxic. Vitamin D is too. Both can be hard on the liver and fatal in high doses. But these are acceptable risks in moderation. Alcohol is rough on the liver in high doses. It can be fatal in the most extreme cases. There are risks in sex, driving, and even walking on a treadmill, so I heed the cautions. And to be clear, when I discuss this subject with fellow WLS people, I do share my cautions based upon my experience, research and warn of possible red flags and dangers signs to watch for. It is a danger area. Alcohol may have put me in a stall, but that's why I am abstaining for a season to test this out. In short, I don't disagree with your message, just the words (rhetoric in the classic sense of the word). Thanks for what you do, and I do have a great deal of respect for those of you who work with people in recovery from substance abuse. It is a tough job, where you know most are not going to succeed and it is often heart breaking work, so take care of yourself too (this is a major part of my sister's work, and I always remind her "there is a reason why the airline tells you to put on your own oxygen mask before you put one on those around you, and don't forget it."). -
Needing some honesty please
Inner Surfer Girl replied to UltrarunJohn's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Success Stories
Have you considered attending some OA meetings and/or working the steps around food? When you read the Big Book and change the words alcohol and alcoholic to food and compulsive eater, does it still apply? I agree with others, the sleeve is not a magic cure buy it has been a miracle for me. That said, I think the reason I am seeing results is in part because of the mental work I have done around food up to now and in part because I have radically changed the way I eat. I too recommend you start tracking your food with MyFitnessPal or a similar app. Focus on getting enough Protein (at least 100 grams since you are a guy and an athlete). Avoid starches, added sugars, and fried foods. Completely cut out anything with high fructose corn syrup. Choose healthy, whole foods instead of pre-packaged processed foods. Eat good fats. Take Vitamins (at least a Multivitamin and possibly D3). Exercise (sounds like you are already doing so). Wean yourself off of caffeine and carbonation. I would suggest you check in with a good NUT to talk about your goals: losing weight, running, etc. so that he or she can help you determine the level of macros you need (protein, fat, and carbs) for your activity level and to lose weight. One of two things will happen. Either you will lose the weight and not need surgery, or you may decide to still have surgery but you will be better prepared. Keep in mind that whether you have surgery or not, when losing weight you WILL experience stalls. It's how you deal with those stalls that will determine your success. Keep us posted on how you are doing and what you decide. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Connie Stapleton PhD replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@SweetPeas Glad to hear that Mayo is giving a consistent message. And glad that it's not overbearing. My point is not about being absolute or overbearing... it's specifically related to the bariatric professionals who are the "leaders of the pack." My position is that this governing body needs to have a more definite RECOMMENDATION, based on the fact that alcohol is a toxin that can have deleterious effects on the absorption of essential nutrients, in addition to other possible negative effects. A recommendation is different than a "thou shalt not." Now that pizza... that's another issue all together! Take care and thank you. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
VSGAnn2014 replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
There's a "governing body of WLS"? A governing body? Really? You do realize, don't you, that bariatric surgeons don't even agree about whether a sleeve stretches post-op. This business about "alcohol is a toxin" is such a broad-brush assertion -- since toxicity of a substance (including drugs) is dependent on dosage. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Connie Stapleton PhD replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@CowgirlJane I'm with you on the cigarettes! We could certainly rant about that! Please remember that my comments are specifically related to the bariatric professionals who are the "leaders of the pack." My position is that this governing body needs to have a more definite RECOMMENDATION, based on the fact that alcohol is a toxin that can have deleterious effects on the absorption of essential nutrients, in addition to other possible negative effects. A recommendation is different than a "thou shalt not." Thanks. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Connie Stapleton PhD replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@Christinamo7 Given that alcohol is a toxin, then it's not a "wise" thing for anyone to do, really! But I'm not saying anything about no one, WLS patient or not, EVER having alcohol. Every person is individually responsible for whatever they put into their bodies. My message is not about judging those who drink or smoke or whatever... My message is about a governing body taking a more clear stance in their RECOMMENDATION. Please remember that my comments are specifically related to the bariatric professionals who are the "leaders of the pack." My position is that this governing body needs to have a more definite RECOMMENDATION, based on the fact that alcohol is a toxin that can have deleterious effects on the absorption of essential nutrients, in addition to other possible negative effects. A recommendation is different than a "thou shalt not." Thank you for sharing your thoughts. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Connie Stapleton PhD replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@OKCPirate I agree very much with the minister's quote: "very little good comes form the absolute shall." Please remember that my comments are specifically related to the bariatric professionals who are the "leaders of the pack." My position is that this governing body needs to have a more definite RECOMMENDATION, based on the fact that alcohol is a toxin that can have deleterious effects on the absorption of essential nutrients, in addition to other possible negative effects. A recommendation is different than a "thou shalt not." Thanks for the website referral. I'll definitely look at it! I definitely agree that people are different and also agree with Dee Hock. I am suggesting that there are simple, clear recommendations with the medical reasons as to why alcohol is contraindicated for WLS patients. I'm not saying to set rules. I'm so glad hearing that you and your kids have great communication. Very awesome. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts! -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Connie Stapleton PhD replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@CowgirlJane I love your comparison between alcohol and ice cream and how one calls your name and one doesn't. I also completely agree that WLS is not a "one size fits all" kind of thing. People definitely need to know the things that may need to be "off limits" for them and make healthy decisions accordingly. That will be different for every person. Please remember that I am only talking about RECOMMENDATIONS. And recommendations from those who are the governing body of WLS. It's not about saying ALL or NOTHING, nor does where I am coming from having anything to do with WLS patients being able to make good decisions - or not. What I am saying is that BECAUSE alcohol is a toxin and may interfere with absorption of essential nutrients, the governing body's RECOMMENDATION, not MANDATE, be that it is not a wise decision to consume alcohol after weight loss surgery. Thank you! -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Christinamo7 replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
so my question for the OP, do you think no one WLS or not, should ever consume alcohol? it is a toxin for everyone, afterall. I do enjoy an occasional drink - and hope I will tolerate that again once I get to my maintenance level, however if I no longer care for it that will not be the end of the world for me either, but some of my friends will get lovely presents. -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Connie Stapleton PhD replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@2goldengirl Please remember that I am only talking about RECOMMENDATIONS. And recommendations from those who are the governing body of WLS. It's not about saying ALL or NOTHING, nor does where I am coming from having anything to do with WLS patients being able to make good decisions - or not. What I am saying is that BECAUSE alcohol is a toxin and may interfere with absorption of essential nutrients, the governing body's RECOMMENDATION, not MANDATE, be that it is not a wise decision to consume alcohol after weight loss surgery. I totally agree that each and every person is responsible for their own health. Thank you! -
Bariatric Realities – Medical Professionals’ Guidelines about Alcohol Use & WLS
Connie Stapleton PhD replied to Connie Stapleton PhD's topic in Weight Loss Surgery Magazine
@@SweetPeas So glad to hear that the medical professionals on your team said no alcohol! Where did you have your surgery? @@SweetPeas So glad to hear that the medical professionals on your team said no alcohol! Where did you have your surgery?
