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I'm 4 weeks post op today. I've never felt more alone. I'm having regrets. It took me over two years to make my decision to revision from the band to the sleeve. Reasons that I feared would happen with relationships, friendships, things that I enjoy doing started very early on in my two month post op phase and continue. I know that I should be patient. I know things will get easier with time, but when the scale is not moving and I can't even get a friend to say "hey, how's it going? Wanna do something not revolving around food or alcohol?" It's just very discouraging. I'm also struggling to do things that I enjoy alone. Reading, drawing, going for walks. Nothing interests me...
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We were setting up refreshments at work today for an event and we were talking about food. I made the comment that I don't trust myself to eat just one (sweets are a trigger food). A lady goes "you have to learn to eat just one cookie.." I'm sure some of y'all can eat just one, but if it's a trigger food there is no way I'm eating just one. For me it's the same as if she told an alcoholic to have just one beer. It's going to lead to a lot more. /end rant
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Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
VSGAnn2014 replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
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Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
NikkiDoc replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
My surgeon specifically addressed diet soda and alcohol. He said I could have both in moderation once I hit 6 months after surgery. I will have a glass of wine or a shot of Fireball now and then. I tried a sip of DH's diet Dr. Pepper because I had a really nasty taste in my mouth. I swished it around in my mouth before I swallowed. It was enough to let me know that I would not want to drink any more than that one sip. I would have been very uncomfortable if I had more than that. I was probably 15 months post-op. Post-op my sleeve has not had a problem with anything I have ever consumed. My sleeve is not exactly picky so it did surprise me that soda might be a problem. I find I don't miss my diet Dr. Pepper and don't feel the need to start drinking it again. I drink 95% of my liquid each day with a straw. -
Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
FocusOnMeNow replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
I also have never heard anyone say their doc was ok with it, but maybe I will if I finish reading this thread? What I have heard tho from post ops is that even when they tried to drink it months-years out it hurt. You should be aware that I had a similar stance on caffeine, but I actually did follow my doctors advice and didn't even try it until the 9th week (he told me no caffeine for 8 weeks). What did I find? That my poor sleeve could barely tolerate it. I did about 1/2 cup of chai tea diluted with 1/2 cup of vanilla protein shake bc I could certainly not tolerate any coffee. I could not even tolerate a half and half coffee mixture for several more months. Moral of the story....99 times out of 100 your doctor is recommending something for a valid medical reason. Also you might find that you don't even want or need or even like the same things post-op as you did pre-op. An example is that I loved chocolate shakes and never wanted a different flavor pre-op, but when I went to have my first post-op protein shake I couldn't even phathom a chocolate one. I just craved plain vanilla. I'm 9 months out and still have a ton of chocolate protein shakes in both ready to drink and powdered form sitting around my house which I will probably never drink. I myself was an absolute Diet Coke fiend pre-op. I was willing to give up the food. I was willing to give up the alcohol. BUT when they told me I had to give up caffeine, I resisted A LOT. I thought it was silly and unreasonable but it wasn't. It was totally legit. Long story short...you need to realize that you are possibly addicted to soda which is why you don't want to give it up. You need to make a commitment to taking care of yourself and your new sleeve. You may find that once you wake up from surgery you have a LESS THAN ZERO desire for diet soda. More importantly please try to hold out for as many weeks as you can because all that carbonation could literally pop open your new tummy if you try it too soon post op. I did not mean for this to be a lecture. I just wanted to share my experience with you and ensure that you weigh the potential benefits (I personally don't see any) vs the potential risks in your own decision making process. Good luck! -
Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
LipstickLady replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
I agree with all of this. I returned to diet soda for a few reasons. I like it. I like the fizz, I like the taste, it pleases me. Plain water hits my stomach hard post op, so my NP suggested Crystal Light, G2, etc. There goes the artificial sweeteners argument. My plan allowed decaf coffee after week one. There goes the acid argument. (That said, I cannot drink wine -- it kills me with heartburn.) My plan allowed regular coffee at week 6 as long as you drink a correlating number of Fluid ounces of something else. There goes the dehydration piece. Again! I am not encouraging anyone to go against doctor's orders. I am simply relaying MY experience with MY surgeon. My books at seminar said no soda, alcohol, smoking, carbonation, fried foods, Pasta, potatoes, chocolate, ice cream, rice, etc. ever again. My surgeon and NP then work with individual cases to adjust those directions according to the needs, success and new habits of the individual. -
Birthday drinks?
Brandon Long replied to baconsher's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
i had my first drink 2 and a half months after surgery, three shots of vodka. it did fine on my stomach but who knows how yours will be, just remember if you do your alcohol tolerance will be really low -
I am six weeks out...stalled for 10 days...and starting to regret my decision. Anyone else?
FocusOnMeNow replied to KLSUMM's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
First you are not alone. You are never alone. There are thousands of us going through this journey with you. Second, you made a decision to take care of yourself and got the surgery and for most of us it was the best decision that we ever made. Here is a tip: it's not about the food! It's about what's in your head and in your heart. And right now it sounds like your heart is hurting a little. The whole in your heart that you used to stuff with food, you can no longer cover over with more food. So you are somewhat exposed. You have to find new things to enjoy in your life besides food. You have to find a new way to relate to your friends and family and that is what you are having trouble with. No need to impose your new diet on them, although healthier cooking can't hurt anyone, except for it may take away their coping mechanism just like it seems to be taking away yours. This can leave everyone a little bit uncomfortable because without stuffing those awkward feelings down with food... You are HOLY $H!T actually feeling your feelings now OMG. It might be time to get some endogenous opioids (endorphins from exercise or hugs) instead of exogenous ones (food, alcohol, and other drugs that we all self medicate with). Yoga helps us make that mind body connection and get in touch with our bodies as well. You made the right decision. Now make some more. Do not try to force your new way of life on other people. Let them eat what they feel like BUT you don't have to be around it yourself. Instead ask them if they would like to join you outside for a walk? A bike ride? A trip to the zoo? Or anywhere you can get some exercise and some sunshine as humans were originally intended to get large doses of both every day. Have difficulty with your emotions? Try journaling. Try self help books. Try just about anything on Amazon by Brene Brown. Google Brene Brown Ted talk. Someone else on bariatric pal recommended her to me and it has changed my life. You got this. And you are never alone. -
Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
PinkPolkadot619 replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
1, it is made from the earth. Fermented grapes. What is soda made from? 2, yes in moderation wine has some health benefits, soda in moderation or not has none. But before 1 year and before maintenance it is all just slowing you down or hindering your mental shift to your new lifestyle. I have not had any alcohol since surgery and honestly I don't care, same with soda. My ability to run and new healthy things are so much better. -
Search this site for alcohol. You'll find more opinions than you can possibly believe!
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Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
Onmywaytothinagain replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I wouldn't call it a generalization. I belong to a support group where half have gained weight and they have all put alcohol back in their diet. Four of them have taken it back out and gotten back to the rules the doctor gave them and they are losing again. That seems more like a control group to me. There is a reason why doctors tell you to abstain from certain things. After WLS you do not metabolize food like you used to. Alcohol is empty calories. 1.5 ounces of hard liquor has about 100 calories, if you are only eating 1000-1200 calories a day that's a big percentage of your calories. Alcohol is basically a type of sugar and it slows down a patient’s weight loss and may cause dumping syndrome. It contains lots of calories and is no nutritional value. After surgery, alcohol enters the blood stream more quickly than before surgery. The intoxicating effects of alcohol occur sooner than before surgery and after smaller amounts are ingested. A patient who has had the sleeve or bypass surgery absorbs FOUR times as much alcohol from a given drink versus before surgery. And lastly it can be irritating to the stomach pouch and cause ulcers. Again, knowing what we know, for me, it's not worth the risk. Been through too much to get where I am. -
Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
Beck90 replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
@@PinkPolkadot619 true.. I haven't succeeded at losing weight but I think that has more to do with portion size and too -many- bad food choices rather than moderation.. both of which have to change but just to play devil's advocate.. a number of people post sleeve still drink alcohol.. and while that does have some health benefit in moderation it's not a Protein or a veggie.. your body doesn't "need" it and it's FULL of "unneeded" calories.. so why is that not frowned upon but a can of diet pop here and there is apparently completely taboo? -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
KristenLe replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Everyone is different and what works for some may not work for others. This is not a One Size Fits All situation. If you have a concern that alcohol will be a trigger or problem for you - it doesn't automatically mean it will be for others. Most who gained weight back because of drinking probably didn't continue eating healthy either. It's the same as assuming every fat person is a soda/pop addict and must abstain forever. You can't generalize in these situations. -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
VSGAnn2014 replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Raising my hand and adding my data to the database! I have "put alcohol back into my diet after surgery." And I have not (yet) gained weight back. Most days I have a single drink. (Am sipping my evening's single-malt scotch 1.5 ounces right now.) I've been doing this most days since 6 months post-op. I've lost 100 pounds and been at or below goal for 13 months now. -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
Onmywaytothinagain replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Every person I know that put alcohol back into their diet after surgery gained weight back. It's just not worth it to me. -
Don't shoot the messenger- carbonated drinks
LisaMergs posted a topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Hi all! I'm simply putting this out there to see what YOUR experience has been- not for a thorough lambasting! Regarding carbonated beverages ( non-alcoholic)- on my NUT list it clearly states no carbonated beverages. I asked her about this. We have a very good report and she knows I'm ridiculously compliant. However, I have always been a Diet Coke fanatic. I asked her why it was forbidden. (Keep in mind I'm dealing with a HUGE top rated health care system, some of the best bariatrics in the states- so I really value their knowledge and opinion.) Her reply was this- MOST patients are not compliant. If you give them an inch, they take a foot. And then they get into trouble. An occasional Diet Coke turns easily into a three can a day addiction. Sometimes people go all the way over and start drinking "regular" pop. However, there really isn't any solid evidence that carbonated beverages ON OCCASION do any harm to your new stomach. This was MY experience- what has yours been? I will say that YES I have had a few Diet Cokes since my surgery. However, where I once would have downed the thing in an hour, I only had 5 or 6 sips and that was enough for me to "taste" my old friend -
Fed BCBS, BMI 38/39, some comorbidities but not the big 4
futurefeatherweight replied to HopefulInVirginia's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Ask your surgeon or his coordinator about your insurance company's requirements. I have BCBS (not the federal gov kind) and their requirements were BMI of 40 for patients without the listed comorbidities and 35 with co-morbidities (I fall into this category). If you are close to minimum BMI requirement, it is also important to know how the surgeon runs his program i.e. when he charts your weight for insurance purposes. I barely have a BMI of 35 and was concerned about meeting insurance criteria. The first surgeon told me that his program required that my BMI be 35 at a final weigh in just prior to the surgery (this following 2 week liquid diet). I actually paid about $300 for consultation with him and his staff dietitian and they weren't very upfront about what happens if I lost too much weight before the surgery. I had to voice my concerns before they told me that if I didn't meet the required BMI the day of surgery, I would be denied surgery, I told this surgeon that I didn't think that I would be able to maintain eligibility with his plan. I wound up choosing my current surgeon upon the recommendation of an RN friend who had a gastric sleeve placed at the minimum BCBS BMI of 40 (no comorbidities). This surgeon only requires that my BMI be 35 (diabetes, hypertension, hyperlipidemia, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease)up until the day I receive approval from insurance company (before liquid diet) -
So, there's always a lot of talk about retaining Water weight, but not a whole lot of solutions to that. Are there any out there? Is water retention only caused by either not drinking enough and/or consuming things that dehydrate you (caffeine, alcohol, sodium)? Is there an amount of caffeine, alcohol, and sodium that tips you over into likely water retention or is abstaining from these forever the real goal? I'm curious to hear other folks' experiences with water retention and how they finally got the fluids moving through their system better.
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3 1/2 years post Op
missjaded44 replied to ABTexas1984's topic in Tell Your Weight Loss Surgery Story
Wow! Congrats on your success. I feel the same regarding it being a jumpstart tool. In order to be successful you must embrace the healthier lifestyle choices holistically. If not, gains will happen again. I'm 3 years out and I've had 10- 15 pound fluctuations throughout that time due to alcohol and careless good choices. I maintained restriction of portion but made poor choices. As of today I'm almost 3 months sober. Drinking an average of 120 ounces of Water a day. I rarely drink anything but water. Although I do appreciate iced tea and coffee on occasion. Absolute NO carbonation ever!!!! I've maintained a very rigid stance on that since day one. I love to cook and have become quite the health nut chef these days. All from scratch. No canned, boxed or packaged prepared foods. Mostly Proteins, low-fat dairy and veggies. My body does not respond well to carbs. They are not my friend so I do my best to avoid them where possible. Except pizza, I simply REFUSE to give that up. I indulge in weekends occasionally. I do allow myself a cheat day on the weekends. I've found my body responds best to that otherwise I will go into starvation mode and stop losing and/or gaining muscle mass. Im naturally hyper and enjoy the outdoors a lot, especially summer. Additionally I get bored easily. ???????????? So I keep my body guessing with regards to workouts as long as I'm doing SOMETHING. Whether it's circuit training, strength training, dancing, jogging/walking, swimming, heavy housework, walking as opposed to driving somewhere, parking further away for the extra steps, opting for stairs as opposed to elevators or attempting (I say attempting because I'm horrible at sports) a game of baseball/basketball/football with my lil boy. HW: 237 LBS. CW: 142 LBS. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320A using the BariatricPal App -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
JamieLogical replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I was cleared for alcohol at 3 months post-op. Some surgeons recommend never drinking alcohol again because of the risk of addiction transference. The rate of alcoholism among post-WLS patients is higher than the general population. One thing you should consider is that, while you physically CAN drink alcohol post-op, it will likely affect you differently than pre-op. For me, I get drunk VERY fast, on very little alcohol. And I also sober up extremely quickly. It's like the whole process is much quicker than it used to be. I have read some accounts from people who are post-op who can't get drunk at all. No matter how much they drink. That seems like something you should be very careful of! Alcohol has a lot of empty calories and if you feel you need to drink more to get a buzz, it may not be worth it. -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
ZillyNa replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Where I live, the social evening life without alcohol is very difficult, but i have already adopted a fake gin tonic as aperitif; tonic Water, ice and slice of lime... Looks great and is good. -
Gained 10 pounds in 6 months
OutsideMatchInside replied to anthonyb's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
@@anthonyb It also depends on what you are eating. If you go from 1200 low carb calories to 1600-1800 carby calories, you are going to gain weight, just because your liver is going to be larger. Are you drinking alcohol? Did you exercise and stop? Are you going through a stressful time in your life? There are so many factors to weight gain. -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
VSGAnn2014 replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
For some people, alcohol is problematic post-op or even a serious no-no. For others, it seems to be OK. @@Cape Crooner laid out the issues above pretty well, I think. In my case, I stopped drinking completely 2.5 months pre-op and didn't have a drink until 6 months post-op. During that time I also made many other changes in my life so I could build a new post-op lifestyle and maximize the odds that my new lifestyle changes would stick. I do have one alcoholic drink now most days (5 oz. of wine or 1.5 oz. of scotch). That's my limit and keeps me within the behavioral definition of a "female social drinker." Please know yourself and respect what your body and you can and cannot tolerate. And respect that to be successful long-term you'll have to change some things in your life. Your relationship with alcohol may (or may not) be one of those things. -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
Cape Crooner replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I have endured many slings and arrows on this forum, so you can check out my posts if you'd like. Here's what I know: 1. The number one issue early on is preventing ulcers. The sleeve is fairly well healed after 6 weeks and that seems to be the earliest point any doctor suggests a return to alcohol consumption. 2. Transfer addition is the number 2 issue. I think it's very serious for people who were food addicts, not so much for people who became obese for other reasons. My test for addiction syndrome is to ask yourself the question: " ...after I start [eating/smoking/drinking] the thing I'm addicted too, do I almost mindlessly consume more?" If this is your mindset, you could be at risk for alcohol transfer addiction. 3. Alcohol has calories that can easily cause obesity along with the slider foods we tend to go to once we get drunk. My advice is to avoid high calorie (sugary) drinks, plan what you're gonna eat after you've had a few, and log it all so you can figure out why your Weightloss failed - if it happens down the road. Me, I started back slowly after week 7. I followed my guidelines above and since then, I've gone from 225 to 182 (8 lbs below goal). What you drink and eat matters greatly. You can easily consume thousand of calories in a few hours drinking sweet cocktails and washing down chips! Like everything, there is no free lunch... -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
ZillyNa posted a topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Hi guys. I would like to know if after sleeve we can drink wine or other alcoholic beverages. I think I will not eat and drink anything interesting for a long time after the surgery, but after some months can I think to go a party and have a drink for a toast? (e.g. Wedding, birthday, various celebration...)
