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Question about Sabotaging
FrankyG replied to sbg224's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
The simple answer is that we are addicts. Just like an alcoholic, food is used to cover up and mask pain/sadness/anger and we've abused it and our bodies for so long, it becomes difficult to stop on our own. Surgery is one answer, but it does require hard work, and some people go into it with the mistaken belief that the surgery "fixes" you so that you can eat whatever you want without dieting, or without dealing with the psychological issues of why they got to this point in the first place. I had issues with three different aspects: I had no sense of portion control. I would eat every bite on my plate and go back for more almost every time. I binge ate frequently. There was a definite loss of control sometimes - since I was using food as a comfort when I was sad/depressed. But no amount of food would ever fill the empty/sad space inside me. That was a big thing I needed to deal with in therapy. I ate horrible things - junk food, fast food, high fat/salt/carbs. I ate good things too, but the amount and frequency I ate the awful stuff really cancelled out the good foods. The only thing that the sleeve fixes permanently is the portion control, and even then it is possible to cheat yourself by eating soft foods like cake or ice cream that slide right through the sleeve. It provides a temporary fix as far as the ravenous hunger and the early days where you can't eat high sugar or fat without it causing you to feel sick, but that wears off. After that, if a person hasn't committed to changing their eating habits and really their entire relationship with food (seeing it as a fuel source instead of using it as self-medication), then they are not taking this seriously enough and likely will fail. I realized early on that it was on me to use the small amount of time to fix the other things wrong with my relationship with food. And it is hard work. But if you're not willing to put in the work, you need to see that you're throwing away the opportunity the sleeve gives you to get your life back, and that is really, really sad. I get craving stuff that is on the "bad" list. The thing is, once you've achieved goal, you should be okay to indulge in things every once in a while. But they are very rare treats, and I look for healthy alternatives, like only eating low carb, whole wheat bread or adjusting my calories if I know I want to have a slice of cake for a special occasion. This is the way normal people eat. They do well 90% of the time so they can have little treats and not feel deprived -
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Are Your Family Members Overweight and Which of Them Supported You?
chele367 replied to Alex Brecher's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
Well funny you should post this. My parents are not overweight. I am 49 always struggled with weight as food was my coping mechanism soon after I was molested as a small child. Fast forward, being attractive and stylish a lot of times saved me from the wrath of being a slob but not always. I tried in 09 to be approved for bypass failed yet lost 60 lbs. So the fact that family and friends can see that I am capable of losing weight to them pure willpower alone should do it. My aunt is the next obese person in my immediate family. She is the family feeder, food hoarder and the reason costco stays in business. What single person needs to shop at Costco weekly? Right! The people who have 2 freezers and 2 fridges. My aunt said she will support me that was back in March when I started WLS process. Now I am approved and she says she does not understand why I am having it. Now she is conditioning me saying I better not be this way or that after then bragging about my weight loss. Saying things to me like well now I cannot take you out to eat anymore. Or wow you will never get to have BBQ ribs again knowing they are one of my fav's. And the hatched flew right into my back when at a dinner party that I was not present at she proceeded to talk about my weight issues and surgery to a guy I was in grade school with. Who cares? Further more she has to be 100 overweight worry about yourself. Food is love in my family always was and to my dad and my aunts and uncles who struggle with alcohol and or pills. No one wants to see someone one else rise up out of misery. Despite what they say. I am being sleeved June 8th. The victim hood mentality is staying on that operating table while I walk to a stronger, healthy me. If I can inspire anyone else and not alienate them so be it. But I will not allow anyone to make me feel bad for my choice. Scare me with loose skin stories all you want at least it will not be fat. Even my dad does not understand why surgery. The conversation is going to change now for my family how they relate and talk about me. What does it matter they already talk about my weight nothing new really. And I have a daughter who is 15 and healthy weight thank goodness! That is always something they talk about too she does not take after me. Probably more than you wanted to know!! Give me a mic or platform because I have lots to say only scratched the surface here. Thank you Sent from my LGLS990 using the BariatricPal App -
Vacation 2 months after sleeve
Daisee68 replied to lcarter1227's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
It is a little early, but I think you will be ok. I would make sure to take a lot of stuff with me just in case. When I went to Mexico in February (8 months post-op), I took Protein powder (1 scoop in a baggie), Protein Bars, nuts, Jerky, etc. Things I knew I could eat if I couldn't find something just right. (Not sure you will be able to have nuts and jerky at 2 months post-op but just an example). I ate a lot of chicken (with sauces scraped off), soft cheeses, eggs, etc. I think some places also have yogurt though that is not something I tried. You will also be able to walk a lot more which will help. I don't know that you will want to drink alcohol that early but everyone has a different opinion. Definitely talk to your NUT before you go to get some more ideas about what you can eat. -
Need RNY but...
Shaydi.Laine replied to ridgerunner's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
@@ridgerunner There are pros and cons to each of these surgeries, but regardless of which you choose, how well you do will ultimately depend on you. I know two people who had bypass about 2 years ago. Neither reached goal and both lost control and gained their weight back, one is currently also in rehab (for the second time) thanks to her new alcohol addiction. So there's that bit. I flip flopped between the sleeve or bypass decision right up to the point where I needed to decide for insurance approval. I also relied heavily on nsaids for arthritis and any other pain in the wherever. In the end, I chose the sleeve for the options it offers, not only with meds (which my surgeon okay'd once I reached all foods stage tho I've barely needed them), but when my surgeon told me that there are more options for sleeve revision and basically none for bypass, that sealed the deal for me. Commitment scares me a little Also since the sleeve is next to impossible to stretch, I feel it will serve me better in the long term. Portion size has always been my biggest problem. At this point, I am thrilled with my sleeve decision! All that said, you have to choose the surgery you feel is best for you, but be sure to look at all the angles. Tons of people here have blown right past their weight loss goals with the sleeve. Forget about the statistics. The end result is up to the individual and how well one chooses to work their tool. Good luck! -
I'm with @@OKCPirate re Date #3. Recovering alcoholics (FTR, alcoholics who work the AA plan are always "recovering," not ever "recovered" -- that's the model they are comfortable with) are often up-front about their recovery process. You should definitely choose dates you're comfortable with. But as someone in the peanut gallery, I'm awarding Date #3 extra points.
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Hi all, thought I would pop in and say Hi! Been MIA for a bit...focusing on getting everyone in my house healthy again. Hubs was home for about 3 weeks in the hospital for 4 days with pneumonia due to flu virus!! I had pancreatitis which means I guess I MUST now eat the way I should probably have been eating all along. Nothing like pain and sickness to get your ass on track let me tell ya!! The good thing is that I am back on track, and not eating all the junk that just makes me sick. For the longest time I was eating "easy" to digest foods like chocolate and Cookies, cake or flour products because they were about the only things that didn't hurt my stomach. Of course you gain lots of weight from that...and they have the nutritional value of eating cardboard, so that drags down your immune system and guess what your sick. The only way to fix a flare up of pancreatitis is basically to not eat any and I mean any fat. There is definitely NO drinking alcohol but this is not an issue for me, since I have never been a drinker. The fat part...well that's harder. Even chicken and fish have some fat, fish much less so than chicken. Having the band well dry things are not my friend...but adding any kind of fatty condiment would mean hours of stomach pain nausea sometimes vomiting and then just feeling blah. It has taken a few months to get the hang of it and to realize that when in doubt just have a shake. Take a bariatric Vitamin that's easily absorbed by the system made for those who have had a bypass since the organs don't need to work as hard to break it down. I am finally feeling a little better than the walking dead although still feeling pretty tired on certain days, as I still learn to work this new curve life has thrown my way. I still want to be able to eat like a "normal" person, but the truth is that I gave that up when I got the band and this is just another reminder that most of my life eating has never been a "normal" function for me. Ah well...enough about me and my issues. How is everyone doing? It's a glorious day today in NY I wish I was not working and I was outside enjoying it more. I'm hoping the weekend affords a bit of it so I can. How about you all? Any exciting plans for the summer??
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Medical Marijuana and the sleeve
sharonintx replied to sleevergirl2015's topic in Tell Your Weight Loss Surgery Story
Well......this question will certainly open a can of worms. I 'm going to get my comment in before the s**t storm hits. I'm in Texas. We do not have medical marijuana. We still have to get it from the trusty neighborhood stoner. Keep in mind that I would not be considered a heavy user. I'm a lightweight user. There has been no problem, no additional issues with acid reflux, and it has not been a gateway to more dangerous drugs. No transfer of addiction from food to drugs or alcohol either. It did not slow my recovery after surgery nor did it cause me to eat uncontrollably. Obviously your surgeon will warn you against using marijuana. If you try it post op and it causes you any problems then don't do it again. If not then light one up and enjoy your double chocolate Protein shake. -
Thank you for this thread. It serves to remind me that once the initial euphoria with getting rid of the excess poundage wears off, the job of remaining sylph like really starts. Bit like a marriage once the honeymoon period is over and reality sets in! Your comments guys are now etched into my brain and hopefully they will serve me well in future. When (not even an 'if') I decide to that I don't have to adhere to the WLS suggestions, then I will forward the video to what could happen in the future to my body. I need to remember where I came from. My journey needs to be as my journey from alcoholism has been. I stuck close to AA for years and took on board things that I heard at meetings. It is still my touchstone to keep me sober. BP is going to be the same for me with food and my weight.
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They seemed sane...Dating horror stories
FinallyFit50s replied to OKCPirate's topic in Singles Forum
I've had 3 dates over the last week. One was an old boyfriend, haven't seen him in probably two years, so pre-surgery. He kept complimenting me...felt fabulous!!!! Never going backwards on that one. He's a good guy and we can hang out and go ride the motorcycles. The next 2 were from Tinder. I've heard Tinder is a hook-up site, and I made it very clear in my little profile blurb that I am NOT doing hook-ups. First one was lunch last Friday. Nice enough guy, no sparks...we still chat every other day. He's definitely a guy I could hang out with as friends. Second guy was tonight. We went to Carrabas for dinner. Nice enough, recovering alcoholic, he was upfront about it when we were looking at the dessert menu. Ended up splitting the mini cannoli. Not sure how I feel about the alcohol. But I'm willing to give it another shot. What I did get was the nicest of all compliments from him. He told me I am the real-est person he's ever met off a dating site. We talked about our dating adventure and mis-adventures. I'm remembering that it's a numbers game. I don't get heavily invested, I wasn't the least bit nervous...I went out with realistic expectations and just had fun. Have a lunch date Sunday with a guy whom already on the phone is a character. Definitely don't see that going anywhere. I'm using the date as an additional barometer. (Dude is arrogant as f*ck...although me laughing at his antics calmed his butt down...lmao) All in all, this is so much FUN!!!! -
But if she knows it's a trigger food and that might ultimately cause weight gain, where is the pleasure? Should an alcoholic have an occasional recreational martini? Everyone has a trigger food.. I am not suggesting anyone eat a box of cookies or a whole cake... I acknowledge that trigger foods should be avoided until you deal with why you over eat... but my point is.. one should use this process to teach ones self to control their portions and have balance... there is no need for deprivation I don't think the occasional cookie is going to cause weight gain... unless you are overeating or having them too frequently... what will you gain weight is when yopu deprive yourself for so long that you go on a binge day after day because you have not dealt with your food issues. Remember they did surgery on our stomachs not our head.... these issues should be addressed for long term maintenance
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But if she knows it's a trigger food and that might ultimately cause weight gain, where is the pleasure? Should an alcoholic have an occasional recreational martini?
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One Liners for so-called friends...
OKCPirate replied to Cape Crooner's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
@@Cape Crooner - BTW, good for you to be thinking of this in advance. Winston Churchill had a running problem with Lady Astor and knew he would run into her again. She was a vocal alcohol opponent. So he worked on his best lines in advance. So sure enough, there was a party and Lady Astor LOUDLY proclaimed "Winston your DRUNK" to which he said "And you madam are ugly. However in the morning, I'll be sober." So good planning can be fun. -
I am 3 years post-op RNY surgery. I have not developed a taste for wine or any alcohol. So it wasn't hard for me to give it up. Once in a while pre-surgery I would have a glass of wine or spirits. I liked the sweet wines (especially the fruity wines), more than the dry wines. From my experience, I would say that after the first year, it is probably O.K. if you have a half a glass of wine once or twice a month.
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8 days post surgery and just booked a family vacation to an all inclusive in Mexico. How exciting to not feel horrified by the idea of a swimsuit! I think it will be the perfect celebration of the huge life changes I'm making now! So, now for the questions. I will be 3 months post op when we travel. My husband has expressed concern that it might be really tough for me to be in that all you can eat environment. I guess it might be, but I also wonder if there might also me some benefits. For example, I will be able to get food anytime I want it. Knowing my past relationship with food, this is a good thing. I'm less likely to over indulge if I know I could always come back for more in a couple hours if I want. That way, I won't feel like I need to eat much at each sitting. I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it. Anyway, any tips for success at an AI? Any cautions? I'll plan to use the fitness center while there, and I don't mind not having alcohol. That's never been a big draw for me anyway. Thanks, Christi Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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Will I ever be able to have a glass of wine? Not talking about everyday, but maybe twice a month? Does your alcohol tolerance change post surgery? Thanks! Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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BA Calcium chewables flavors
DavidBC replied to jea(n__n)ette's topic in Protein, Vitamins, and Supplements
Be warned - the Bariatric Advantage Calcium Chewables are loaded with maltitol (a sugar alcohol) that act as a rather potent laxative. I know thus first hand. Here are other's opinions: https://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelrusch/haribo-gummy-bear-reviews-on-amazon-are-the-most-insane-thin?utm_term=.xfdEGGQ6M#.xwV1nnwM4 -
Alcohol and drugs after surgery
coco777 replied to jmc534's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
420 friendly here and i like my drinks as well. Smoked two weeks post op and loved it. My only concern is will it give you munchies & will you be able to handle that or will you want to binge. As far as alcohol. I've only had one drink cuz I'm still healing so I have no reference there. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App -
I need to do this, no matter what
Micoxv replied to Micoxv's topic in Tell Your Weight Loss Surgery Story
A quick tip that is actually useful. You want to have a drink but don't want to be marginalized because you don't drink alcohol? Get an apple juice, water and ask for a wine glass. Pour the apple juice and cut it with water till the correct color.... Voilà! You have now a glass of white wine. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App -
Alcohol and drugs after surgery
miss_smiles replied to jmc534's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Just an update for whoever wants to know. I had the surgery on March 28th and I went to a festival this past weekend. I ended up doing Molly and was 100% fine i just stayed hydrated. It honestly felt the same as it did pre-surgery. I also drank a lot (6-8 drinks) non carbonated Smirnoff filled with sugar (unfortunately) and was fine as well. The only thing was it hit me faster, and less alcohol got me drunk (also could of been because I did not eat). I also tried wine and was fine with that. A sip of beer did not sit well bc of the carbonation. I also ended up smoking about 2 packs of cigarettes in 2 days ( i was a smoker pre-op). But overall, I did not get sick, I did not throw up, I am back to normal, although it took my body a day to recover (which would of been the same pre -op). Everyone's body is different so please don't think you will have the same results. Just wanted to share my experience. The only bad thing was that I didn't really eat for two days trying to counteract the calories from the alcohol, and it messed up my weight loss progress and set me back about a week - because in addition I didn't make it to the gym. My ending point is, I had tons of fun, and I do not regret anything but for me, I will def stay away from that stuff again for awhile to continue on my weight loss journey! -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
BarrySue replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I waited until 8 months post-op, simply because alcohol gave me tummy issues BEFORE the sleeve and I was worried about reflux/nausea. In the end, I skipped the champagne but had quite a few mixed drinks. Despite my weight change, my tolerance remained the same, and it still took quite a few drinks to get me to that happy place where I voluntarily danced at a wedding (my friends have the video evidence to prove it). I felt fine, but given the amount of empty calories, it's going to be a "at awkward weddings only" or "endure family on the holidays" deal. There's no point in having one or two drinks, since I don't feel any sort of change/difference until I'm four shots in (Yeah, I'm *that* girl). So I just avoid on the whole, knowing it is still an option for special celebrations. -
Ah, crackers! They're much more challenging for me than alcohol, sugar or chocolate combined. Most crackers are unnutritious, processed slider foods that do not promote either weight loss or weight maintenance and invite me to keep nibbling on them. However, once I'd lost my weight and wanted to add nutritious calories for maintenance I found a few nutritious crackers with more Protein and Fiber (fewer net carbs) than others, including: * Wasa crackers (although not all Wasa-branded crackers are nutritious -- read the labels!) * Doctor Kracker Three Seed Crackers -- my fave. One big cracker has 100 calories, 11 grams of carbs, 4 grams of fat, 5 grams of protein, and 3 grams of fiber. I pair one of these crackers with 1 ounce of very sharp thinly sliced full-fat cheddar cheese and a little sugar-free Smuckers strawberry jam. I swear, it's better than cheesecake -- so satisfying and, best, I never want a second helping. Then there are those nasty crackers so popular because ... yeah, they're slider meth with little nutritional content: * Wheat Thins * Saltines * Club crackers And then there's the destructive chips / crisps transfer addiction! I can't even type those words without shuddering.
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Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
LondonHawk replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
On the contrary if someone said that orange juice made my feet smell better I would look for any evidence that corroborated that statement either falsely or truthfully. What I would like is actual evidence on the long term effects of diet soda consumption in any quantities on the sleeve. In the absence of that my alternative is to either soak my feet in orange juice as failure to do so could result in stinky feet while doing so could result in sticky but better smelling feet. LOL indeed this line of think i.e. weighing the upside vs the downside of a behavior has led to some very strange things. Think of the all the strange detox drinks that people drink on the basis it may make the younger, healthy, anti aging etc. Large parts of the beauty industry and indeed the diet industry are predicated on the fact they can make a dubious claim back by nothing more than observational study and the suckers start lining up with their cash. It harkens back to the days of snake oil merchants just tell folks what they want to hear and they will do the believing all on their own. Forget the soda question, how about evidence that sleeves can be stretched (more easily than a normal stomach). I've looked and I can't find any. I ask my surgeon and she said no. The former paramedic who hung about the operating room selling staples isn't that credible (to me anyways). Everything I've read or heard about failure is attributed to easily digested high calorie food or beverage. Regular soda, candy, Cookies, alcohol, chips, etc. I have never heard of someone stretching their sleeve and getting fat eating an entire pizza a one sitting! Has anyone? No but you could stretch your stomach eating an entire pizza on multiple occasions. The point is that no study or medical evidence exists on the ability to stretch a sleeve other than observational with some Dr's saying yes you can and others saying no you cant. So everyone is left to determine what they believe and how they will act accordingly, not an ideal situation. -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
4MRB4PHOTO replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
When it is appropriate to do so, you can on occasion enjoy a drink and consume alcohol in moderation. The calories are empty. A few people have transfer addictions to alcohol since they are no longer using food to deal with those feelings. It could lead to other, old, unwanted behaviors. Many people find that the alcohol's effects are stronger post surgery, so be careful how much you consume if you are driving afterwards. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF GOD AND EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, IF YOU HAVE A MIXED DRINK AND USE A STRAW, DON'T POST IT ON THE SURGICAL WEIGHT LOSS FORUMS THAT YOU USED A STRAW! -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
VSGAnn2014 replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
There are a gazillion threads here about alcohol (pro/con; when; what; how; risks; benefits; etc.). People can get exercised about this topic. Just enter "alcohol" into the search field at the top right part of this page (if you're on a laptop or tablet). -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
Dub replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying here.....but it's just not the same for everyone. I do not feel four times the effect of alcohol now with my sleeve. Nope. I simply don't. You see a benefit in wls group meetings.......I absolutely do not. I had my sleeve surgery in October 2015. I've lost a big chunk of the unwanted weight and I've been enjoying weekend drinks per most of this timeframe. Most of the days where I know I'll be having drinks later are days where I can be found in the gym making room for the drinks. I'll do extra work on the treadmill in preparation. The drinks I choose have low calorie mixers.....same strategy as food choices in many aspects. If a person hasn't lost weight post op then I'd submit they have other bad bad choices than just alcohol. I'll bet they aren't very active and they are grazing in addition to making poor food choices. It's all about balancing wants, needs and committing to good behaviors. The strategies and methods may be similar but everyone's situation is unique to them. At the end of the day we have to be accountable to ourselves and not some group that sits around and preaches from a book of "you must do these". That would be hell for me. It is very reminiscent of the group sessions held by one of the nutritionists at my bariatric center. She's a former wls patient, too. She preaches and preaches.......yet clearly struggles with her current weight. I often wonder if some of those group members meet for pizza later on after their meetings. They post frequently on the center's patient forum.....yet never discuss good progress or show anything that resembles active living. I went to one of their support meetings early on after my surgery. OMG the whining and complaining that took place in there. The support I saw was support for feeling miserable and continuing with the things that made us all fat to start with. There was very little discussion about kicking into gear and going after the desired life. Being the new guy in the room....I was quiet and took it all in. First and last time I'll ever go to one of those group meetings. Last time I'll deal with that nutritionist, either. Sorry....can't sit through that noise. I'd rather take the advice and fit it into my life as I construct a plan that works for me.
