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Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
Beck90 replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
I mean make make it sound pretty, but he stated as a -fact- (a fact being something repeatedly medically proven by testing) that drinking pop would stretch the sleeve and sabotage the surgery.. He never talked anything about how unhealthy it was (which certainly has its merits but wasn't something he even addressed) In any case.. he stated this as -fact-.. but it is not a fact.. it's actually been proven that that's a complete myth.. so.. to me.. if you perpetuate your OPINION and BELIEF as a FACT rather than your own opinion - that is a lie. That said.. I don't distrust him as in like... an incompetant surgeon.. I don't distrust him to handle any complications that come up or advise me on those - he has a great record in that regards.. I just don't trust him to distribute nutritional / eating / sleeve / food / how to live after surgery advice.. which is fine with me.. I can live with that.. I can talk to my PCP (who knows a great deal about bariatrics, has doctored me for a decade and who I would trust unquestioningingly) . I can read medical articles.. I can come here to the forum and find very knowledgable people.. but I really don't have the option to seek out another surgeon.. So I'm making due with what I've got and making the best of the situation. The only other way I could fund my surgery would be to go to Mexico and self pay and I'll just say that's not.. even an option at this point so.. I just have to make the best of the situation and look out for myself. In terms of what you said about alcoholism - I think that's a good comparison - for a lot of people it is.. for others its not.. I don't think you're in the minority in wanting to choose ONLY healthy things for your body because that is the way you feel safe.. and that's GOOD. I believe everyone should do what works for them and feels good for them personally. In my case.. I don't feel like my relationship to food is an addiction that I have to be wary of (i.e. that's not how I became overweight) so I don't fear that drinking some diet pop or what not.. will draw me back to the state I'm in now. But for some people that may not be true.. I can only state what I believe to be true in my own personal case. -
Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
LondonHawk replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
Clearly all the information regarding stretching of the sleeve, effects of diet soda on weight loss etc are observational as far as I can tell. I haven't seen any studies on stretching of the sleeve and what causes it besides the obvious overeating and there don't seem to be any causal studies on the effects of diet soda on stretching. That being said I don't think a surgeon telling you he believes it will cause stretching or issues or is generally unhealthy and therefore suggesting that you avoid diet soda or carbonation in general makes him a liar, it just means that is his opinion and recommendation. In the absence of evidence physicians often form opinions and care plans based on their personal experience and belief. I would be more concerned if 9 out of 10 surgeons disagreed with that advice but clearly those numbers don't always hold up. @Beck90- I would never let a surgeon operate on me if I didn't trust him! You have really got to address this issue with him. Take your studies and have the conversation and satisfy yourself that he is coming at this issue with your health in his mind. If you feel he isn't you need to find another Dr and or another way to fund your surgery. If you have complications this guy is going to be advising you and recommending treatment if your starting position is mistrustful that could be very dangerous. @ladyinthsouth- It is great that you can do all that stuff and suffer no ill effect. I have never understood the smoking thing but ce la vie. I have eaten cake, pizza and all the other stuff you can imagine the net result of which is that I weighed 420lbs and had to have my stomach removed in an attempt to change my life so if it is all the same I will operate on the theory that I will NEVER cake and NEVER eat pizza because quite honestly I have eaten enough of those things for probably 10 lifetimes. For some of us this is like alcoholism I want those things, I can have those things, I just choose not to have them today. That is what works for me. Maybe I will feel different later but for this moment that is how I feel. I don't want to be where I was and not eating those things makes it possible. Same with diet soda it was part of an unhealthy life style which I am trying to distance myself from. I don't feel that I can make changes without altering my behavior and my relationship with food. I no longer use food as a treat or a reward. I want to just make the healthiest food choice I can today. I don't think I am in the minority here but maybe I am. -
Yes - number one is to check with your own medical team, and not anybody else's. Philosophies and rationales vary all over the map with different surgical programs depending upon their own background and experiences. With my doc, it is no alcohol at all as long as we are losing weight - it's a liver health issue (our livers are usually in poor shape to start with from our obesity, and are further taxed with their job in metabolizing the fat that we are losing and they don't need the extra load of metabolizing the alcohol.) Overall, this is one of the many "when can I..." (drink, eat pizza, Cookies, cake, lattes, etc. etc. etc.) that we see where the first question should be "why is it that important to me?" and how does that desire relate to the condition that has got you into WLS? Can you enjoy a birthday without drinking or cake once? Do you need to have pizza with your kid's little league team after the game (instead of something more WLS friendly)? That's not to say the we can never drink or have cake or pizza, but it these things are no longer all that important to us, then we are much better able to tolerate them when they may be appropriate due to various social situations and not be as vulnerable to their addictive qualities.
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When can I drink again I'm 5 weeks out I'm not looking to drink now but my birthday is next month by then I'll be 11 weeks out do you think it will be ok to drink by then Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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Old Timers-What is the point of WLS if many regain/have hunger/diet drama..
VSGAnn2014 replied to Anna Nim's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Re Protein intake -- I'm in maintenance and still eating a lot of protein -- 90 to 100 grams a day most days. Right now, my protein comes mostly from animal sources (poultry, fish, beef, dairy, eggs), but also plant protein (vegetables, whole grains, Beans and other legumes). For what it's worth (?), I hardly ever have a planned snack without including some protein -- even if it's only an ounce of cheese. Like @@Inner Surfer Girl I now eat more protein than I did before having WLS. I do keep an eye on my levels of creatinine (which reflect the health of my kidneys). So far, no problemos. I don't recall having even a UTI in the last couple of years. EDIT: To be clear, I don't eat low-carb. I eat protein, carbs and fats -- most of which is pretty darned nutritious stuff. I also (now that I'm in maintenance) do have a little alcohol and treats, but only if my weight is holding steady at 135 pounds. -
I am six weeks out...stalled for 10 days...and starting to regret my decision. Anyone else?
miss_smiles replied to KLSUMM's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I am 7 weeks out, and I just went to a group therapy session for post op patients, with my number one problem being the social divide I now feel from friends and family. EVERYTHING revolves around food, or alcohol for me. Just think that it will eventually get better, and you made this decision for YOU to be healthy and happy, and nothing can get in the way of that. Stay strong and happy because the same reasons you had this surgery in the first place are still there, you just need to look back and find the strength to bring them back to light. I am going to a festival this weekend, with LOTS of alcohol and food, but fuck it.. because I know I will still have fun. I realized I was part of the problem dividing myself from others- changing your way of thinking may help - and it never hurts to explain how your feeling to the fam. If they love you they will understand.. Good luck! -
Yeah some people don't get that for a lot of us going through this (not all but still quite a few) there is an addiction aspect. Why should you HAVE to learn to eat just one cookie? There is no reason why you have to eat a cookie at all. So if you choose not to have any, that should be fine. Just like it should be fine for someone to eat just one cookie. I applaud you for knowing yourself and your triggers well enough to know what to avoid so you don't fall prey to the addiction side of it. Seriously - would she tell an alcoholic they have to learn to drink just one beer? or a heroin addict that they have to learn to just shoot up once?
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I live and work alone, so I am alone most of the time. My solution was to get a dog. My rescue took away my loneliness and being a pet owner helped me meet people in my neighborhood. When we walk, we talk to everyone. Most social events involve food and alcohol. You might as well learn sooner rather than later how to be a skinny girl. Show up and drink water. Don't dodge life just because there is temptation.
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I'm 4 weeks post op today. I've never felt more alone. I'm having regrets. It took me over two years to make my decision to revision from the band to the sleeve. Reasons that I feared would happen with relationships, friendships, things that I enjoy doing started very early on in my two month post op phase and continue. I know that I should be patient. I know things will get easier with time, but when the scale is not moving and I can't even get a friend to say "hey, how's it going? Wanna do something not revolving around food or alcohol?" It's just very discouraging. I'm also struggling to do things that I enjoy alone. Reading, drawing, going for walks. Nothing interests me...
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We were setting up refreshments at work today for an event and we were talking about food. I made the comment that I don't trust myself to eat just one (sweets are a trigger food). A lady goes "you have to learn to eat just one cookie.." I'm sure some of y'all can eat just one, but if it's a trigger food there is no way I'm eating just one. For me it's the same as if she told an alcoholic to have just one beer. It's going to lead to a lot more. /end rant
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Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
VSGAnn2014 replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
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Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
NikkiDoc replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
My surgeon specifically addressed diet soda and alcohol. He said I could have both in moderation once I hit 6 months after surgery. I will have a glass of wine or a shot of Fireball now and then. I tried a sip of DH's diet Dr. Pepper because I had a really nasty taste in my mouth. I swished it around in my mouth before I swallowed. It was enough to let me know that I would not want to drink any more than that one sip. I would have been very uncomfortable if I had more than that. I was probably 15 months post-op. Post-op my sleeve has not had a problem with anything I have ever consumed. My sleeve is not exactly picky so it did surprise me that soda might be a problem. I find I don't miss my diet Dr. Pepper and don't feel the need to start drinking it again. I drink 95% of my liquid each day with a straw. -
Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
FocusOnMeNow replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
I also have never heard anyone say their doc was ok with it, but maybe I will if I finish reading this thread? What I have heard tho from post ops is that even when they tried to drink it months-years out it hurt. You should be aware that I had a similar stance on caffeine, but I actually did follow my doctors advice and didn't even try it until the 9th week (he told me no caffeine for 8 weeks). What did I find? That my poor sleeve could barely tolerate it. I did about 1/2 cup of chai tea diluted with 1/2 cup of vanilla protein shake bc I could certainly not tolerate any coffee. I could not even tolerate a half and half coffee mixture for several more months. Moral of the story....99 times out of 100 your doctor is recommending something for a valid medical reason. Also you might find that you don't even want or need or even like the same things post-op as you did pre-op. An example is that I loved chocolate shakes and never wanted a different flavor pre-op, but when I went to have my first post-op protein shake I couldn't even phathom a chocolate one. I just craved plain vanilla. I'm 9 months out and still have a ton of chocolate protein shakes in both ready to drink and powdered form sitting around my house which I will probably never drink. I myself was an absolute Diet Coke fiend pre-op. I was willing to give up the food. I was willing to give up the alcohol. BUT when they told me I had to give up caffeine, I resisted A LOT. I thought it was silly and unreasonable but it wasn't. It was totally legit. Long story short...you need to realize that you are possibly addicted to soda which is why you don't want to give it up. You need to make a commitment to taking care of yourself and your new sleeve. You may find that once you wake up from surgery you have a LESS THAN ZERO desire for diet soda. More importantly please try to hold out for as many weeks as you can because all that carbonation could literally pop open your new tummy if you try it too soon post op. I did not mean for this to be a lecture. I just wanted to share my experience with you and ensure that you weigh the potential benefits (I personally don't see any) vs the potential risks in your own decision making process. Good luck! -
Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
LipstickLady replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
I agree with all of this. I returned to diet soda for a few reasons. I like it. I like the fizz, I like the taste, it pleases me. Plain water hits my stomach hard post op, so my NP suggested Crystal Light, G2, etc. There goes the artificial sweeteners argument. My plan allowed decaf coffee after week one. There goes the acid argument. (That said, I cannot drink wine -- it kills me with heartburn.) My plan allowed regular coffee at week 6 as long as you drink a correlating number of Fluid ounces of something else. There goes the dehydration piece. Again! I am not encouraging anyone to go against doctor's orders. I am simply relaying MY experience with MY surgeon. My books at seminar said no soda, alcohol, smoking, carbonation, fried foods, Pasta, potatoes, chocolate, ice cream, rice, etc. ever again. My surgeon and NP then work with individual cases to adjust those directions according to the needs, success and new habits of the individual. -
Birthday drinks?
Brandon Long replied to baconsher's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
i had my first drink 2 and a half months after surgery, three shots of vodka. it did fine on my stomach but who knows how yours will be, just remember if you do your alcohol tolerance will be really low -
I am six weeks out...stalled for 10 days...and starting to regret my decision. Anyone else?
FocusOnMeNow replied to KLSUMM's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
First you are not alone. You are never alone. There are thousands of us going through this journey with you. Second, you made a decision to take care of yourself and got the surgery and for most of us it was the best decision that we ever made. Here is a tip: it's not about the food! It's about what's in your head and in your heart. And right now it sounds like your heart is hurting a little. The whole in your heart that you used to stuff with food, you can no longer cover over with more food. So you are somewhat exposed. You have to find new things to enjoy in your life besides food. You have to find a new way to relate to your friends and family and that is what you are having trouble with. No need to impose your new diet on them, although healthier cooking can't hurt anyone, except for it may take away their coping mechanism just like it seems to be taking away yours. This can leave everyone a little bit uncomfortable because without stuffing those awkward feelings down with food... You are HOLY $H!T actually feeling your feelings now OMG. It might be time to get some endogenous opioids (endorphins from exercise or hugs) instead of exogenous ones (food, alcohol, and other drugs that we all self medicate with). Yoga helps us make that mind body connection and get in touch with our bodies as well. You made the right decision. Now make some more. Do not try to force your new way of life on other people. Let them eat what they feel like BUT you don't have to be around it yourself. Instead ask them if they would like to join you outside for a walk? A bike ride? A trip to the zoo? Or anywhere you can get some exercise and some sunshine as humans were originally intended to get large doses of both every day. Have difficulty with your emotions? Try journaling. Try self help books. Try just about anything on Amazon by Brene Brown. Google Brene Brown Ted talk. Someone else on bariatric pal recommended her to me and it has changed my life. You got this. And you are never alone. -
Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
PinkPolkadot619 replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
1, it is made from the earth. Fermented grapes. What is soda made from? 2, yes in moderation wine has some health benefits, soda in moderation or not has none. But before 1 year and before maintenance it is all just slowing you down or hindering your mental shift to your new lifestyle. I have not had any alcohol since surgery and honestly I don't care, same with soda. My ability to run and new healthy things are so much better. -
Search this site for alcohol. You'll find more opinions than you can possibly believe!
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Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
Onmywaytothinagain replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I wouldn't call it a generalization. I belong to a support group where half have gained weight and they have all put alcohol back in their diet. Four of them have taken it back out and gotten back to the rules the doctor gave them and they are losing again. That seems more like a control group to me. There is a reason why doctors tell you to abstain from certain things. After WLS you do not metabolize food like you used to. Alcohol is empty calories. 1.5 ounces of hard liquor has about 100 calories, if you are only eating 1000-1200 calories a day that's a big percentage of your calories. Alcohol is basically a type of sugar and it slows down a patient’s weight loss and may cause dumping syndrome. It contains lots of calories and is no nutritional value. After surgery, alcohol enters the blood stream more quickly than before surgery. The intoxicating effects of alcohol occur sooner than before surgery and after smaller amounts are ingested. A patient who has had the sleeve or bypass surgery absorbs FOUR times as much alcohol from a given drink versus before surgery. And lastly it can be irritating to the stomach pouch and cause ulcers. Again, knowing what we know, for me, it's not worth the risk. Been through too much to get where I am. -
Those who drink diet pop post-op {Only nice comments PLEASE}
Beck90 replied to Beck90's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
@@PinkPolkadot619 true.. I haven't succeeded at losing weight but I think that has more to do with portion size and too -many- bad food choices rather than moderation.. both of which have to change but just to play devil's advocate.. a number of people post sleeve still drink alcohol.. and while that does have some health benefit in moderation it's not a Protein or a veggie.. your body doesn't "need" it and it's FULL of "unneeded" calories.. so why is that not frowned upon but a can of diet pop here and there is apparently completely taboo? -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
KristenLe replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Everyone is different and what works for some may not work for others. This is not a One Size Fits All situation. If you have a concern that alcohol will be a trigger or problem for you - it doesn't automatically mean it will be for others. Most who gained weight back because of drinking probably didn't continue eating healthy either. It's the same as assuming every fat person is a soda/pop addict and must abstain forever. You can't generalize in these situations. -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
VSGAnn2014 replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Raising my hand and adding my data to the database! I have "put alcohol back into my diet after surgery." And I have not (yet) gained weight back. Most days I have a single drink. (Am sipping my evening's single-malt scotch 1.5 ounces right now.) I've been doing this most days since 6 months post-op. I've lost 100 pounds and been at or below goal for 13 months now. -
Alcohol post op:it's possible? When, how much?
Onmywaytothinagain replied to ZillyNa's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Every person I know that put alcohol back into their diet after surgery gained weight back. It's just not worth it to me. -
Don't shoot the messenger- carbonated drinks
LisaMergs posted a topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Hi all! I'm simply putting this out there to see what YOUR experience has been- not for a thorough lambasting! Regarding carbonated beverages ( non-alcoholic)- on my NUT list it clearly states no carbonated beverages. I asked her about this. We have a very good report and she knows I'm ridiculously compliant. However, I have always been a Diet Coke fanatic. I asked her why it was forbidden. (Keep in mind I'm dealing with a HUGE top rated health care system, some of the best bariatrics in the states- so I really value their knowledge and opinion.) Her reply was this- MOST patients are not compliant. If you give them an inch, they take a foot. And then they get into trouble. An occasional Diet Coke turns easily into a three can a day addiction. Sometimes people go all the way over and start drinking "regular" pop. However, there really isn't any solid evidence that carbonated beverages ON OCCASION do any harm to your new stomach. This was MY experience- what has yours been? I will say that YES I have had a few Diet Cokes since my surgery. However, where I once would have downed the thing in an hour, I only had 5 or 6 sips and that was enough for me to "taste" my old friend -
Fed BCBS, BMI 38/39, some comorbidities but not the big 4
futurefeatherweight replied to HopefulInVirginia's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Ask your surgeon or his coordinator about your insurance company's requirements. I have BCBS (not the federal gov kind) and their requirements were BMI of 40 for patients without the listed comorbidities and 35 with co-morbidities (I fall into this category). If you are close to minimum BMI requirement, it is also important to know how the surgeon runs his program i.e. when he charts your weight for insurance purposes. I barely have a BMI of 35 and was concerned about meeting insurance criteria. The first surgeon told me that his program required that my BMI be 35 at a final weigh in just prior to the surgery (this following 2 week liquid diet). I actually paid about $300 for consultation with him and his staff dietitian and they weren't very upfront about what happens if I lost too much weight before the surgery. I had to voice my concerns before they told me that if I didn't meet the required BMI the day of surgery, I would be denied surgery, I told this surgeon that I didn't think that I would be able to maintain eligibility with his plan. I wound up choosing my current surgeon upon the recommendation of an RN friend who had a gastric sleeve placed at the minimum BCBS BMI of 40 (no comorbidities). This surgeon only requires that my BMI be 35 (diabetes, hypertension, hyperlipidemia, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease)up until the day I receive approval from insurance company (before liquid diet)
