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@@charley27, I can’t speak to whether it’s a good idea for you to drink or not at the wedding, but I will say this: be really, really careful! Whatever you think you can handle – you can’t! After surgery, your tolerance for alcohol goes way down. You’ll get drunk faster, and on less alcohol. Your blood sugar will get wackier. From a dieting perspective, stay alert! Since it’s not safe to drink on an empty stomach, you’ll have to break your WLS rules by eating while you drink. Careful not to overeat! Also, inhibition goes down when you’re under the influence of alcohol, so it’s easier to eat too much and choose the high-calorie foods. Whatever you choose to do, just be careful about it because your body isn’t the same as it was.
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Only if the behaviors persists. Behaviors (or maybe "habits" would be more correct) only have an impact when done on a regular basis (well, unless you do something really dangerous). You could compare it with consuming alcohol maybe. If you drink a larger amount of alcohol daily, not good. If you drink a glass of wine now and then, it's most likely not causing a problem. Yes. If. I mean there are patients participating in a 6 months long multimodal concept (PTs and NUTs and counsellors and whatnot) and they don't lose weight or only a few lbs. How can that be if these programs are supposed to be the cream of the crop? I'm no longer sure it really works this way. Sometimes I think some people have what it takes to succeed, fancy programs and behavior modifications or not, and others don't. But maybe that is too much fatalistic thinking though.
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Wondering why?
OutsideMatchInside replied to shelbys mom's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
This a complicated question, the short answer is what @@KristenLe said, it varies based on training and experience what the team recommends. I am just going to speak on my situation. My post-op book has all kinds of food options, a lot of them carby and a lot crappy. The thing is several doctors work within this program and do all different kind of surgeries. Even though my book told me I could have xyz, my doctor told me on an individual level if I want to be successful to avoid these things. I was told I could have alcohol 3 months, but I didn't drink before surgery so I still don't drink on a regular basis. I will have a couple tiny sips of wine with a meal, because I'm not a savage and I do enjoy a complimentary wine with a quality meal, but that is more about taste and less about alcohol. So a couple tastes are fine. I doubt in the past year I have had enough alcohol to even equal one drink. Mentally I know alcohol is empty calories. Drinking alcohol does not align with my long term weight loss goals. So I avoid it. I think programs try to make the books middle of the road so people feel like surgery is viable. If they made them as restrictive as they should be most people wouldn't opt for surgery even if it could save their life. People are addicted to food, and addicted to processed foods. Telling people moderation is easier than telling them abstinence. -
The surgery came with a huge lifestyle change. Im 21 years young so... i did a lot of partying and drinking (wasn't a alcoholic tho). Prior to drinking i ate to prepare for the turn up lol and after drinking more eating.... followed by sleeping. When you don't work out or live an active lifestyle... thats a BAD mixture and i know thats where all my weight came from. Now that thats over with i picked up other hobbies. Now that my pockets are heavier because i don't spend most of my money on alcohol and fast food i picked up a sneaker addiction lol been buying at least 1-2 pairs a week since surgery. And i also picked up gaming (PS4) . If I'm not at work I'm either at the gym getting my daily 2.5 mile walk in or I'm at home playing video games and lifting weights. Lost a lot of friends since the lifestyle change but hey thats life right?? I'm happy and content with the new lifestyle change and loving the person I'm becoming.... After surgery whats the biggest thing that changed for you??? Sent From Galaxy Note 5 using the BariatricPal App
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@@cbonet I think therapy pre-op is so important. Obesity is a disease - there's no reason to beat yourself up. It's important to get emotionally ready for WLS. It's often more emotionally challenging than physically challenging. You won't have food to deal with your emotions and certainly don't want to turn to alcohol or prescription drugs as some family. Also - this is your journey - take care of yourself! We all have similar issues with food.
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I am scheduled for sleeve in one month. I'm lifelong obese, was banded 7 years ago. I haven't told my family yet. They will not understand. They are cross fitters and health preachers. Although everything they do is not healthy. As many do, they deal with stress with alcohol, prescription meds,over exercising..... That is not a criticism. They don't understand emotional eating or food addiction. I also don't understand and often beat myself up for being so fat. I guess I'm asking if anyone else felt this way before having the sleeve and how you are dealing with it after the surgery. I want to be healthy, active and involved in life. /URL] Sent from my VS986 using the BariatricPal App
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Im just curious why so many bariatric plans (diet) vary so much. The surgery is the same, so why do some doctors allow some things on ones diet plan and others don't .One Example: there was a huge debate over drinking alcohol. Im not seeing a standard across the board with these doctors like one would think there would be. I was told never to drink, but I read that one woman said her doctor said she could drink 3 month out. I just find this strange. Any thoughts..... Sent from my SM-N920P using the BariatricPal App
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It's very interesting to me that some people are SO in-tune with their bodies, they just *know* that they will be fine if they hurry through the food stages or drink alcohol early. If I was that in-tune with mine, I never would have needed WLS to begin with. I am SUPER jealous.
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Stalker? @LipstickLady has a stalker? <standing in line to be LipstickLadys stalker> I want to be her stalker! She is fascinating, funny, real, has a great story, not to mention she secretly wants to be called "Hottie" because she has EARNED that title!!!
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Pre/Post Surgical Plans Are Not Required
theantichick replied to 4MRB4PHOTO's topic in Rants & Raves
Why it matters to me is that I worry about the people who are just reading the forums, and see someone saying "yeah, sure, there's no problem with eating tacos a week out from surgery" and they think that's coming from a place of knowledge and/or experience. It's flat out dangerous, is what it is. While I'm not responsible for anyone else, as a nurse I feel compelled to correct information that's flat out wrong because wrong information about something like this can actually be life threatening. Or at the very least cause complications that the patient doesn't need. And I'm not even a vet here. Sure, someone who says "my doctor says no alcohol forever, so that must be the truth for everyone" is wrong. But most of what I'm seeing people complain about here is when someone comes on wanting to do something very close to surgery - before or after - that has the potential to be very bad, and then gets upset when people say "hey, that's not really a good idea".- 74 replies
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Pre/Post Surgical Plans Are Not Required
OutsideMatchInside replied to 4MRB4PHOTO's topic in Rants & Raves
No one here knows her medical history though. Her doctor might have told her no alcohol due to stomach ulcers or something. If the one person that actually examined you and has the education to back it up tells you something, why in the hell would you ask random strangers on the internet? If your doctor tells you something, follow their instructions, hopefully you picked them because you actually think they are a good Dr/Surgeon. It is completely maddening to watch people take such flippant attitudes toward their health and safety. At least there are some people that do still care enough to get angry, most people have completely checked out. -
I just don't get why certain people get so angry. Worry about yourself. You aren't here to save all of us. I read a post earlier where a girl who was told not to drink for the rest of her life by her surgeon asked when other people's doctors allowed for alcohol. So many people going on and on and denigrating people for seeking guidance others have also received from their medical doctors. Her question was not out of line. The responses, not addressing her question at all, were.
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It is very very scary and happening more and more frequently. This is my personal opinion and I know it might start dramatics but here goes. My insurance company required me to go through a Bariatric center of excellence. I had to go on line and take an online class then I had to go and take an in person class where they gave me all the info in considering this surgery. At that time, they gave me a huge packet that I needed to fill out and in it was a test that I had to take and about 15 pages of information I needed to fill out. That included why I thought this surgery would work for me. After I sent that back in, then and only then did I get my first appt with a Bariatric nurse, nutritionist, personal trainer and a physcologist. My program lasted 6 months but took 9 to get through. I was given a binder with everything bit of information I could possibly need including every phase of the diet so I could refer back to it. It also kept a physical tracker and information about the different WLS surgeries. Once I jumped through every hoop and was approved for surgery, then I met the surgeon. Prior to that I worked with Bariatric Doctors that were a part of the team and helped me select my surgery. The day I met the surgeon I was asked to sign a contract that made me committ to no alcohol for at least a year, that I would not get pregnant for at least 2 years and that I would follow the diet. Without the signed contract, no surgery would be performed. I also had to take another test which consisted of everything I learned along the way. It was not a book test and they did not tell me about it ahead of time. I am sorry, and I am not saying this is perfect but it certainly forced me to know my stuff. If I were insurance company I would absolutely require this level of education before letting a person through the process. Now I get that it does not cover self pay but if I am a Bariatric surgeon here in the states it should be a requirement which in turn would help them have more successful outcomes. This is just my two cents. I think it helped me be successful from day 1 and for the most part I knew what to expect. I learned everything else from asking questions researching and leveraging the heck out of the veterans on this site.
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Want to eat tacos 1 week post surgery? Want to drink copious amount of alcohol a week or two after surgery or smoke joints a day before surgery? In fact you can do anything you want to, because tens of thousands bariatric surgeons, nutritionists and nurses must all be wrong! Just post something you know you shouldn't be doing, related to WLS, and wait until someone with no medical experience tells you it is ok to do so and ignore the other 99% of the posts that tell you that you shouldn't do that. If everyone else is offering sound medical advice that was expressed from their WLS medical staff or information they obtained from reputable sources like the ASMBS, JAMA, etc., just remember you can prove Darwin was correct and that: Rant over. (Microphone dropped).
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It is too late to ask your doctor today, but what were your post WLS instructions? Are there any medical reasons why you need to follow a slightly different plan? You were sleeved ~2 months ago. If you do have a drink, be careful, alcohol may have a stronger affect on you post WLS, so let someone else drive. Alcohol, as compared to a battery acid martini with a carpet tack instead of an olive, when you don't know if it is safe to consume, is a better choice.
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Thanks to everyone (Well, some)! I'm only asking because I want to know what other people have done. I understand that everyone's plan is different, but I don't understand why. If your plan says alcohol after 4 weeks, why does mine say no alcohol for the rest of my life? There has to be a reason your plan says 4 weeks. So I think it's okay to veer to someone else's plan for a second. Cheers to that. I'm having wine at the wedding tonight. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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@@LowBMISleever "My comment was for the OP, but I don't take anything I said back. If it offends you that alcoholic beverages are empty calories that cause weight gain, then there's not a lot I can say. It's factual information. On a side note, I rescue dogs and your name implies you do too. I support that :)" You were complaining about the entire conversation and it not being 'supportive' to you. I know alcoholic beverages are empty calories and that's not something that's 'offensive' to me...I'm just not a huge believer in demonizing something that is allowed on our plans (most everyone here is allowed alcohol at some point) and something that I know is going to become a part of my long-term life. I don't like being nannied by strangers, and it seems I particularly dislike it when that stranger is calling people out for being non-supportive of HER dislike of alcohol use in a thread titled 'alcohol'. That's all. And yes, I'm a big rescue supporter and I'm glad you are, too. I've got two awful little rescues running around right now, barking their fool heads off and making my heart feel full <3 All of us have something in common at the end of all of our differences, don't we? Peace
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To be fair, I lost the bulk of my weight mostly avoiding alcohol (maybe 1 or 2 times a month after the first month) but now, when, I can't stomach the idea of eating any more food, I find that a couple of glasses of wine is a good way to get me close to maintenance. My labs are still stellar and my body composition is still improving, but if that changes maybe I'll re-evaluate. I follow mostly a Mediterranean style diet and I don't think you can disassociate wine (yes, even every day) from the well documented health and weight benefits of the diet.
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@@suzzzzz I think that's an important point - not everyone has the same triggers. I didn't get fat by drinking alcohol. I don't plan to give it up completely. Now if we are talking bread and pasta...that's another story. ????
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My doc said 6 weeks and to take it easy because the alcohol may affect you faster then before surgery. He doesnt forbid anything and says you have to have a life. I have followed his plan and it is working well. Had a glass of wine the other night and it took me a very long time to drink it because I didn't want to get drunk. Well, it didn't really have an impact. And it didn't burn. I know what my triggers are and I am avoiding them, but enjoying a glass of wine is something I will do on occasion.
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Alcohol is a great way to meet my 3,000 calorie maintenance. I drink some almost every day.
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This is always an entertaining topic. I have no issues with someone drinking a glass of wine, drink, etc. It's a little scary to me how very soon post-op folks are slamming down shots. It's very easy to trade one addiction for another. Not to mention the complications you could have with alcohol causing bleeding and problems with healing. Although - I don't think, as adults, anyone should be scolded. It's their choice. If I decide to have a drink before my plan allows - I will not try to seek validation from a forum. Just as I won't ask if I can have pizza a week post-op. You know the answer! Oh...and I rescue dogs too! ????
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Hi all! I was sleeved 11/21/14. All was going great and i made my weight loss goal by about 10 months in. However starting july 2015 i have had one peculiar side effect: chronic throat infections. Not talking like little scratchy throats. I am talking requires IV fluids with steroids, then oral levaquin and steroids for a minimum of a week. I am now in the middle of my 6th infection in a year. Docs keep chalking it up to having a 3 year old. But neither she nor my husband catch what i get. I can only conclude that it has something to do with my sleeve. Something to do with the loss of good bacteria, the overuse of PPI's (they have me on pantoprazole still), the diet slipping (i *may* have enjoyed too much alcohol of late - all celebratory). Is it maybe an absorption issue? I don't know exactly. All I know is I have to figure this out. Wondering if anyone else has had this side effect? Anything that has helped? I am getting my ENT and a new GI on the case this week cause I have had enough.
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Enjoy your alcohol. It definitely makes a ton of sense for morbidly obese adults trying to lose weight to drink empty calories that additionally impairs their judgement. cheers! I liked this app because everyone was so supportive pre-op and answered my questions honestly. Not sure I belong here anymore. I understand why the veterans don't stay. @@ShelterDog64 My final thought, we have all allowed ourselves to eat and drink ourselves obese - it's gluttony and addiction. That's why we are here. We deserve to be scolded when we go off plan, just like anyone else with an addiction would be scolded for going back to their drug of choice (mine is Pasta & wine). I understand that YOU are not going off plan for YOUR program. My comment was for the OP, but I don't take anything I said back. If it offends you that alcoholic beverages are empty calories that cause weight gain, then there's not a lot I can say. It's factual information. On a side note, I rescue dogs and your name implies you do too. I support that Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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I don't think anyone here said this is okay for YOU. We're sharing our personal experiences. MY PROGRAM and MY DOCTOR allow reintroduction of alcohol at 4 weeks. I'm very gingerly dipping my toes in. I'm not 'cheating' MY PROGRAM. If we sat down and compared programs side-by-side, I'd find things you're allowed that I'm not, but I'm not having a hissy fit about the fact that you're going to eat or drink those things. I'm 51 damned years old (my son always says 'you're a grown-ass woman'!) and if I, with the support and 'permission' of my surgical team, want to have a couple ounces of wine, I will. YOU clearly should not. We are not the same person. We do not have the same program. We do not have the same restrictions, guidelines, requirements, doctors... Do you get that? You're very, very insulting when you compare a rational, adult conversation about how to manage an APPROVED real-life situation to moronic behavior like mainlining pop-rocks and coke. Everyone here is an adult, and I don't think it's outside of the bounds of decency to expect to be treated like the adults we are.
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I would assume it depends on how one's drinking habits are. A quarter glass of anything alcoholic does the trick for me. I like the buzz, I don't want to be drunk beyond that. I am going to try that tonight.. I can and I will.
