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Hate sugar free stuff. What do I do?
Hammer_Down replied to Ssze1109's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
The problem with this logic is that simply coming from a plant and thus not being artificial doesn't necessarily mean we should be filling up on it. Sugar comes from a plant, too. Splenda is simply a modified sucrose molecule, thus it is technically plant based as well. Cocaine is made from cocoa leaves, heroin is made from poppy seeds and alcohol will form in the bottom of your trash can if it's left out long enough with any plant based material in it. Eating sweet foods, regardless of how abd whybthey are sweet causes cravings for sweet foods. Diet Coke contains no sugar, yet it promotes a response from your pancreas similar to regular Coke. Your brain perceives sweetness and prepares for an onslaught of sugar, even if there is none. -
Less body mass Ah, of course. How could I forget, it's the whole point of WLS. So if you loose 30% then you get drunk 30% faster or with a 30% smaller drink. I've been thinking, and I suspect the stomach acts as a "holding tank", releasing its contents (alcohol) slowly over time, and that with a smaller stomach the alcohol now hits the small intestine faster at a higher concentration. So the liver hits its max faster and the brain gets hit with the difference. Thanks for indulging a nerd. I think it's possible the shorter route through the stomach is also a factor. But body mass has a lot to do with alcohol processing.
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Hate sugar free stuff. What do I do?
Butterflywarrior replied to Ssze1109's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I m allergic to aspartame and I can hardly manage sucralose...I tried truvia which is stevia combined with a sugar alcohol and it had me vomiting with diarrhea! I use stevia but have to experiment with brands bc dome taste to bitter. I absolutely love love love g6 sport vanilla Protein powder made with stevia. It's so yummy. Expensive though I just got Isopure unflavored protein whey isolate and tried it in some tomato red pepper soup..it's supposed to go in hot or cold buy it thickened the soup and I could taste it and it was nasty like glue. That being said, I also had a migraine earlier and they always warp my taste buds soo we will see. Umm, there are other good protein powders made with stevia too and I saw plastic fruit cups with stevia There's also blue agave nectar but not sure how bariatric friendly that is.its low in glycemic index and diabetes friendly though. There are many products that are low in sugar enough to meet the standards of the barriatric diet . you can also use true lemon and true lime packets for making popsicles, Jello with Knox plain gellitain and stevia, and whatever else. You can drink all kinds of teas too So obviously yiur best bet is stevia...it comes in various flavors too. I've been told that the one by nu naturals stevia with a purple label is really good. Morr and more products are using stevia and you can try truvia but again the sugar alcohol might get you if you're anything like me. Outshine popsicles sale no sugar added popsicles with one gram of sugar, and a gram of splenda. Those don't make me sick but I can also handle one premier Protein shake a day or every few days. Just not multiple, then I get stomach pain, cramps, foul taste, diarrhea.... I feel ya!!! In my Instagram, one of the diabetes community things I belong to claims they have a new sweetener alternative that isn't fake called WeLuvYa sweetener or something like that.mmi have not checked this out yet but maybe you will want to. Good fortune -
Less body mass Ah, of course. How could I forget, it's the whole point of WLS. So if you loose 30% then you get drunk 30% faster or with a 30% smaller drink. I've been thinking, and I suspect the stomach acts as a "holding tank", releasing its contents (alcohol) slowly over time, and that with a smaller stomach the alcohol now hits the small intestine faster at a higher concentration. So the liver hits its max faster and the brain gets hit with the difference. Thanks for indulging a nerd.
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Nerdy question here... Can someone explain why there's a change in alcohol's effect? Your liver is the same or even healthier, so it shouldn't take longer to metabolize. Alcohol's mostly absorbed in the small intestine. A smaller stomach may mean less is absorbed there and so more is absorbed in the small intestine, but again it's your liver that breaks it down. Based on the stories of how much more sensitive people become it's almost like the stomach becomes a lot more efficient at absorbing alcohol, but that doesn't make sense to me.
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I come from a family with major addiction issues (both sides going back multiple generations). Because of this I have always been careful about alcohol consumption. Hell, I get worried about taking prescription pain meds for the same reason. Before my surgery, I would have a cocktail maybe 5-6 times a year when dining out. I never drank at home and would have a few drinks at my favorite yearly gaming convention. Now that I have the surgery I will probably never touch the stuff again. Maybe a few years out I can have the occasional (yearly) cocktail if it can be made in a way that it is no longer a sugar bomb - no sugary juices or sodas. And that is if my doctor approves it, which I am highly doubtful of considering he told me it would be years before we could even discuss adding coffee back. (This has been the biggest struggle for me - I am a student - I NEED my morning coffee.) I never liked wine (well at least when it isn't in sangria) or beer. Honestly I won't miss it, though I may miss the occasional sangria.
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@@RJrocks Are you asking if drinking alcohol is ok to do? Well it depends on the person doing the drinking. I, myself enjoy a couple glasses of wine before dinner. Or a good margarita on the rocks... I don't drink Beer only because i never have.. Hate the taste. My suggestion to you is, if you want to have a night out and have a cocktail.... do so, but be mindful that one will probabley do you in..... i use to drink a few and just start a buzzz..... now one good one and im buzzing.... Make sure if you drink you have a DD. Try to stay away from stuff like ??? and coke or ??? with sprite as the combination may get to you. chris
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Life is GREAT.... love being (almost) single
BayougirlMrsS posted a topic in LAP-BAND Surgery Forums
How ever said being single sucks.... obviously isn't having as much fun as i am. So i think in stead of writing updates, i think ill write my escapades here.... If you'll don't mind. Post 10/20/16: I don't care what anyone says... Dating is fun.... Date again last night and tonight.... Friday maybe open... so hit me up... hurry... it's going fast.. Saturday another date... This is how that went: Thursdays date went great... Tim (executive for Entergy) is a really nice guy. Had dinner at a great restaurant (by the way, my son is loving all the leftovers i bring home). Weekend was ok... i actually spent it with my soon to be ex. He as bought tickets to a concert and i had previously agreed to go.... then we went to Houston saturday and back home on sunday. Halloween week: Started on Thursday, had dinner with a girlfriend visiting from KY.... Then drinks with Brian (his oldest son and my oldest son are best friends). He and i always have a fun time. We ended that night at a "gentlemen's club" aka strip club... lol Get this, im sitting at the bar at the "club" and Brian is to my right and i look over and there is ??? can't say his name (his son and my youngest son are best friends, what are the odds)..... Friday ended up being a good night. Visited with some friends and planned out night out for Saturday. Saturday.... OMG.. my wonder woman costume didn't turn out the way i wanted, so i scrapped it. Went with a kinda steam punk thing. I got home at 4am.... hehe. Sunday was another day/night in the quarter. This was with Todd (golf pro).... he and i hit the quarter, drinks, and ended with dinner at GW Finns...(so good). This week: Wednesday night had a date with Daniel.... NOT good, he's was more out going when i meet him (maybe it was the alcohol) First he forgot to tell me he has to small kids. 5 & 8.. NOTTTT. The conversation was torture.. So it told him that i didn't think it would work... he agreed. Last night was with Tim again.... Went to Copeland's, nice dinner and drinks.... sat and talk for a longgggg time. Tonight, Im meeting with ??? for drinks. Saturday i have a date with Scott (NHR driver) so.... gentlemen... start your engines.... Stay tuned for future escapades..... hehehehe Chris -
Well, you don't become an alcoholic out of nowhere or something just because you drink a bit of alcohol now and then. The problem is swapping one addiction for another. As for my personal experience I was a bit surprised that I barely didn't notice a difference when I drank my first glass of wine. I don't know what I expected, maybe being drunk after two sips or something. I was always that person who got drowsy after one glass of wine though and that didn't change. In general I never drank much alcohol and I don't have the desire to do so now, so I'm not overly concerned about alcohol.
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I am 7 months out and I can drink a couple of beers or a few glasses of wine on the occasion. I am not even close to what I used to drink before. I did not have an alcohol addiction, but could handle pretty well ( since the weight helps a lot). I can stay without alcohol but I enjoy a drink from time to time. Something funny I noticed is that I am not getting drunk anymore. When I have too much, I basically fall asleep and I wake up without a hangover, which is a huge benefit. So for me, the sleeve even works there. And I still track the carbs of what I drink / eat. So if I had too much, on the next day a 5k is mandatory, no matter what. Mico.
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Please be careful!!! I fell victim to the alcoholism I was in a dark place that was my outlet and something I could consume a lot of...I don't eat much but gained a bunch of weight back and I know it's from alcohol:(... I'm finally ready to give in and take control back of MY body! Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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I think there is a clear distinction between sitting in judgement and enabling behaviour. Adults should be able to criticize behaviour without being accused a bullying or sending someone off the emotional deepend. I worked with youth in a Cadet program, and most of my 12-18 year olds could handle criticism better than some of the people on this forum. We taught the. No excuses, take the advice and make the correction and move on. No hard feelings. I consider food to be a bonafide addiction. Withdrawals, denial of the problem, denial of the consequences, inability to accept the finality of quitting, inability to imagine life without the comfort foods they are so addicted to. When I see people seeking validation for cheating their "rehab" from food addiction, I mentally replace the Halloween candy, chips, or whatever with alcohol, smack, crack, cocaine, meth, morphine, heroin, cigarettes or whatever. If someone was attempting to quit one of those addictive and destructive substances after years of abuse and destroying their health, how understanding would you be? "it's ok, a little won't hurt, get back on the wagon tomorrow, we all have setbacks, it happens to everyone, try not to be too hard on yourself, etc etc" Or maybe a "what the hell are you thinking? Are you crazy? Why would you set yourself back to day 1?" Just my opinion.
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I'm going to assume that since you chose to quote my post, that you're directing this at me. Helping someone justify potato chips at five weeks out, Swedish fish at five days out, alcohol at three days out, etc. is not **MY** idea of compassion or kindness. It doesn't help them and it especially doesn't help others reading, researching, absorbing. That's a pretty significant leap you've taken there and one that I am completely boggled by. So instead of anger and vitriol, the only other option is compassion that helps justify potato chips and swedish fish? That's ludicrous. It also helps no one out - ESPECIALLY new people navigating their way through their world just after a surgery, probably with a lot of negativity in their life already, to come to a place that's supposed to be supportive to find threads like these. And for the record, nowhere did I suggest that anyone should be coddled/applauded/passified in any way for dangerous or foolish behaviors. I merely suggested that anger and vitriol is not useful. Compassion, understanding, extending kindness IS. That can be done without enabling or coddling someone. Are we really suggesting that it's NOT possible? That's it's really that black and white? Compassion worked for the John F. Kennedy, Dalai Lama, Ghandi, Einstein, and a number of other amazing notable people in our history. None of whom coddled anyone, but all of whom saw the value in lifting their fellow man up instead of kicking them when they're down. Anyone can criticize, it's easy. I think Mother Theresa said it best: "I would rather make mistakes in kindness and compassion than work miracles in unkindness and hardness." Perhaps I'm missing the "anger and vitriol"? I think it really all depends on one's level of sensitivity. I'm personally not really one to get offended by a stranger's words on the internet, especially if and when I've specifically asked for opinions. We all hear, speak and interpret differently. I'm not suggesting that there is only black and white at all. I'm merely suggesting that some people only see it that way (especially if they don't like what they're hearing) and there's not a whole lot **I** can do about it. Some people respond really well to me, some don't. In turn, I don't respond well at all to those are overly warm and fuzzy. Again, we can't be everything to everybody. Take what you can use and leave the rest.
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I'm going to assume that since you chose to quote my post, that you're directing this at me. Helping someone justify potato chips at five weeks out, Swedish fish at five days out, alcohol at three days out, etc. is not **MY** idea of compassion or kindness. It doesn't help them and it especially doesn't help others reading, researching, absorbing. That's a pretty significant leap you've taken there and one that I am completely boggled by. So instead of anger and vitriol, the only other option is compassion that helps justify potato chips and swedish fish? That's ludicrous. It also helps no one out - ESPECIALLY new people navigating their way through their world just after a surgery, probably with a lot of negativity in their life already, to come to a place that's supposed to be supportive to find threads like these. And for the record, nowhere did I suggest that anyone should be coddled/applauded/passified in any way for dangerous or foolish behaviors. I merely suggested that anger and vitriol is not useful. Compassion, understanding, extending kindness IS. That can be done without enabling or coddling someone. Are we really suggesting that it's NOT possible? That's it's really that black and white? Compassion worked for the John F. Kennedy, Dalai Lama, Ghandi, Einstein, and a number of other amazing notable people in our history. None of whom coddled anyone, but all of whom saw the value in lifting their fellow man up instead of kicking them when they're down. Anyone can criticize, it's easy. I think Mother Theresa said it best: "I would rather make mistakes in kindness and compassion than work miracles in unkindness and hardness."
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Helping someone justify potato chips at five weeks out, Swedish fish at five days out, alcohol at three days out, etc. is not **MY** idea of compassion or kindness. It doesn't help them and it especially doesn't help others reading, researching, absorbing. People choose to be be offended or read comments as judgmental around these parts when their bad choices are not coddled, high fived and justified. From me, judgement is not at all intended 99% of the time (true story!) but clearly I am NEVER going to be a warm and fuzzy person so some choose to read it that way. Everyone has a different interpretation of support and we will never all agree in that RIGHT definition. Some like it soft and coddling, others like it straight forward and to the point. It's the internet. Take what you need and ignore the rest. well said!!! Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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Helping someone justify potato chips at five weeks out, Swedish fish at five days out, alcohol at three days out, etc. is not **MY** idea of compassion or kindness. It doesn't help them and it especially doesn't help others reading, researching, absorbing. People choose to be be offended or read comments as judgmental around these parts when their bad choices are not coddled, high fived and justified. From me, judgement is not at all intended 99% of the time (true story!) but clearly I am NEVER going to be a warm and fuzzy person so some choose to read it that way. Everyone has a different interpretation of support and we will never all agree in that RIGHT definition. Some like it soft and coddling, others like it straight forward and to the point. It's the internet. Take what you need and ignore the rest.
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Smoking after surgery
Hammer_Down replied to Ninjagogo's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
For what it's worth, we quit smoking 3 months before surgery, giving up coffee, alcohol, and carbonated drinks at the same time. The plan was to knock those habits so that during preop we wouldn't be struggling with food withdrawal, caffeine withdrawal, nicotine withdrawal, wine withdrawal and Diet Coke withdrawal all at the same time and end up killing each other before the surgery even happened. We went to a vape shop and bought a cheap vape to try. We did not like it. We were both cigar smokers, and used to much smoother and aromatic smoke than cigarettes and the vape burned and made us cough, plus sometimes "spittle" from the atomizer would burn our lips or tongues So we went to a different shop and said "Look, I don't know anything about vapes except that I hate this one we bought a few weeks ago. Can you recommend something smoother, bigger clouds, won't burn my mouth off RANDOMLY?" He put together a mod (the bottom part that holds the battery), tank and atomizer that would maximize what we wanted - full flavour, smooth vapour, no back spittle through the tip. Costed about the same as 1 month of cigars for 2 people. I never plan on smoking again, I was quit for 5 full years before last winter, and ideally I'll quit vaping eventually too. Until then, it's odourless, flavourful and since there's no combustion it is not depositing the harmful tar and carbon like cigars and cigarettes. The surgeons at ALM had no issues with e-cig use, before or after surgery since blood clots are not linked to nicotine, but specifically to smoking tobacco. -
New Study about Attitudes Towards Obesity
summerset replied to Inner Surfer Girl's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
On a side note: I think it's true that patients aren't blamed for chronic diseases like e. g. rheumatoid arthritis or type 1 diabetes or MS etc. However, when it comes to diseases like alcoholism or type 2 diabetes things are different. Patients have to take a lot of blame when it comes to type 2 diabetes ("just stop eating") or alcoholism ("just stop drinking"). -
Looking for August sleevers
Ragdollorchid replied to Nursenia's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Surgery was on 8/27. Hernia surgery created bad neck and shoulder pain but very little discomfort from the sleeve. I got up and moving quickly that day to avoid a second night co-pay. (I'd rather stay at the Ritz for that price!) Including my two week preop diet and post surgery I've lost 34 lbs. Just struggling to get the walking in or I would lose faster. The worst part so far for me was the puréed stage. I kept drinking shakes. I wanted FOOD! My mental adjustments have included learning the feelings that I use to cover with food and finding new coping skills. Being around snack food and alcohol in social situations and being the voyeur. Overall, now that I'm eating food I'm happy. I'm wearing some clothes from my "thinner" closet. I'm getting compliments. I have struggled with constipation but there are some good ideas here. Good luck to all! Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App -
I run a,very prominent residential treatment center. I see many patients become compulsive with alcohol after surgery...seems to be common. pork chop express comment above is spot on.
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Did anyone cheat on preop
ginabee38 replied to Tboddy's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Alcohol should definitely not be in the pre-op diet. Alcohol is known to cause liver inflammation that lasts up to a couple of weeks. Wow...the inflammation can last a couple weeks? Good to know. I only drink occasionally, but I wilk do my best in the next month or so to stay away from alcohol to heal my liver. Waiting for insurance approval for 12/23 surgery date. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using the BariatricPal App -
I drink. Vodka and soda, splash of diet cranberry May have two or three tonight as my Cubs go to take the World Series. Hell. I may have 3-4 if they win. Alcohol causes a quick buzz, and it's gone within 20 min. No other effects. I'm 7 mos post op. Had my first drink around 5.5-6 mos. one a week maybe? During this WS ru. Being out, have had several others a week lol No beer, only vodka. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
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Im been drinking alcohol for years and im chosen stop alcohol because of my health reasons.. I had history of my seizure at 12 years old and i had kidney stones in 2011 my doctor advise me not drink alcohol anymores.. Before my surgery my decision hold of alcohol they wont risk of weight up and down per doctor's order because i had rollercoaster my weight since i was in high school.. I have agreed with Amandy31's posts and stay away from alcohol My mom's family don't drink alcohol because of religion i respect that i follow that..
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Emotional roller coaster
blizair09 replied to SleeveMeAlone214's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I don't struggle with drug or alcohol addiction, but I wanted to reach out and tell you how brave you are for telling your story and looking for support. I can't imagine dealing with these food issues we all face on top of maintaining sobriety. It is a lot to handle, for sure. In the food realm, the "one day at a time" approach has served me well in this journey. I used that strategy to get me started in March, and although I am firmly rooted in what I am doing now, I try to embrace that mindset when the scale is pissing me off or I have to face any of the occasional obstacles that present themselves. The fact that I have now lost 124 pounds is comforting no matter what happens in a day. As you lose more weight, that will comfort you, too. I encourage you to find something non-food related that is fun and makes you happy and get out there and do it. I go to the spa every day, and that has helped me as I move into the final stages of my recovery before I go back to work in a couple of weeks. Also, lean on your husband. I lean on my partner every day, as he leans on me. That's one of the most important parts of relationships. I wish you all the best! -
Hey all, Just wanted to check in and introduce myself. New here. Just had the sleeve done last Friday 10/28, and I am definitely adjusting. Pain was bearable, but honestly the least of my worries looking back. I left the house for the first time in 4 days yesterday and as soon as I started talking to anyone I felt like I was about to burst into tears. I have wanted this surgery for so long and I definitely do not want to go back but at the same time I feel stripped of my comforts and safety nets. It feels as if I'm 18 years old again, living on my own for the first time. Just opening up to my husband created this big knot in my throat like I was holding back tears. I've always struggled with food addiction since I was a young child. When I was 19 I got clean and sober after using and abusing drugs and alcohol and it's been 4 years since. I guess food has been my go-to now that drugs and alcohol are gone. Anybody on here struggle with addiction and recovery? I know I will prevail, one day at a time, but dealing with my own feelings are pretty rough sometimes. I just want to shove my face in a huge chocolate cake and cry while simultaneously eating Ben and jerrys. From what I see on here, it will all be worth it in the long run. I guess I'm just looking for some experience, strength and hope! -Chris Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App
