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That chicken info sounds good. When you leave the skin off it cuts the fat down at least by half. Ok, so nutritional goals are tough, since everyone does things a bit differently. A lot of it ends up being oersonal opinion. Your protein goal is the same as mine. Carbs.. it depends on whether you want to be in ketosis. If you don't know what that means, google ketogenic diet. Personally I don't want to go keto, so I keep my carbs above 50 (usually 60-70). Anything over 100 isn't as good for weight loss. Fat.. mine is moderately high. I eat 2 servings of full fat dairy and a serving of nuts, and whatever fat that comes in the meat. A teaspoon of olive oil on spinach, and a bit of butter to cook my egg. Altogether I'm getting 1200-1300 calories a day.

After 6 months, Keto Krate if you eat Keto, but honestly. I think it is a waste. Like my tastes are so varied yet specific, there is no way I can roll the dice on people sending me random stuff. What I want to eat changes from day to day. It would take me months to get through one box.

I'm going with bronchitis. I've had it often in the past, so it's believable. Then, with the timing of the new year and my turning 50 this year, I will explain my weight loss as a result of a dedication to a keto-ish diet (that's actually true) so that I can be "Fab at 50!" Only my husband, two friends who've had the sleeve, and my best friend know the truth. I WILL tell someone I had the sleeve if it seems they're asking for themselves and not to be a nosy gossip. I work at a high school, so I already know that most of the inquiry from co-workers will be nosy gossip. It's easy to discern the nosy from the genuine ask.

Have you had any labs done yet (maybe a bit early, but some do them at 3 months,)? One thought is a bit of anemia, either from iron or B12 levels being too low. The other thought is diet - most of us are/were on a low carbohydrate diet by default (low calories, protein emphasis, not much room for other things...) and some take that to greater extremes by following one of the popular diets like Atkins, keto, paleo, etc. under the belief that they will improve weight loss results. When one is being particularly active, low carb diets can yield this kind of result, either overall lethargy, or running out of gas quickly. When on a low carb diet, our glycogen stores (short term energy reserves of carbohydrate) are being kept low, and it takes time to replace it with converting energy from fat - either stored or dietary - so we can wind up running short. It's like only filling your gas tank to half - it may not be a big deal if one is a stay at home sort making few errands, but if one is active and always out and about doing things, then one needs to keep filling up. I never worked to keep carb intake particularly low (or high - I simply ignored it) and never had any particular overall energy issues after the first few weeks. One thing I did run into at about four months was running out of gas after about an hour in the pool (just lap swimming). My RD suggested trying a pre-workout snack/meal that was relatively high in complex carbohydrate, moderate in protein and low to moderate in fat. I played with that and settled on a small sandwich of whole grain bread, meat and cheese, and that did the trick - breaking through that one hour wall. Hypothetically, that provided a bit of a blood sugar rise at about the time that I was otherwise starting to run low (or it was topping up my glycogen supply so that I had enough to go farther.) Note that this made no difference on the days that I did a weight circuit, as I never had any energy problems then, even though those workouts ran upwards of 90 minutes. So different activities can create different demands, so that is something to play with.

It will get so much better! It took about 5-6 months before I completely felt back to normal, as far as doing physical things. When you resume a more normal diet, you will figure out the snacks that will tide you over between meals when you are out. for me, it is grapes, cheese sticks, and keto protein bars. Or, I use the time that I am out to take care of the majority of my fluids for the day.

I understood weight loss is required for everyone though not linked to insurance requirements in Aust as it is in the US. Basically, the weight loss is to reduce any fattiness around your liver which allows the surgeon greater visualisation & movement around your stomach when they operate. It also shows a commitment to the weightloss program. You will be sent to a dietician who will put you on a diet & will monitor your pre surgical weight loss. They will guide you through the post surgical weight loss journey as well. I was put on a keto diet for two weeks prior to surgery & lost 4.2kgs. My BMI was 35. Your surgeon will have his requirements as will your insurance company based on your individual case. You can’t really compare. Treat this pre surgery time as when you begin to re-educate yourself & start your new lifestyle - how you eat, what you eat & new exercise routine. This is a life long change.

Do ya'll think those low carb-keto snacks and desserts are a slippery slope to falling back into bad habits? Those "brownie thingies" sure look good. 😩

@@PixelToph Could you share some of your vegetarian keto/low carb meals?

People have no idea I've had it. Why? Because months before my surgery I started the keto diet, and working out. I was losing weight like crazy! I haven't changed one thing since my surgery, including my portions. Everyone assumes it's just the keto diet. (which is it, along with portion control). I've lost 65 lbs total and I go to the gym 6 days a week. It's obvious that I'm working my ass off to lose weight. So, no, people don't just "know"

If the noodles were covered in sauce, they probably just slid right through your anamosis (especially since you waited 15 minutes)... and then the meatballs went into a (probably) empty pouch. This is why I eat for no more than 10 minutes, then stop. The stomach can empty oh so fast with some foods. Since you are going plant-based, let me recommend bean noodles for pasta. They are basically all protein and fiber. Shoot, even meat-based keto dieters can probably eat them! Be prepared to get full on a much smaller portion. Here is one for sale (I get mine at my grocery store). There is the nut. info on down the page. https://thrivemarket.com/explore-cuisine-organic-black-bean-pasta-spaghetti-shape?utm_source=google&utm_medium=pla&ccode=FIRST3&ccode_force=1&utm_medium=pla&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Shopping_Food_Beverages&utm_content=854183006003&utm_term=google-pla_na&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6uCJ4qvt1gIVAVqGCh3kbwMWEAQYASABEgIaK_D_BwE

One underrated tip I was given: Add more fiber. I was told to try to get at least the daily value (28g I think). I was nowhere close to it. So now I use clear unflavored fiber supplements that I can add to drinks because getting enough fiber from food alone can be challenging. I also like high fiber foods like L’oven Keto friendly wheat bread (Aldi brand) and higher fiber vegetables/foods (when I remember) https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/should-i-be-eating-more-fiber-2019022115927

One thing I've noticed reading this board for a while, is that we've all got a lot of valuable insight. Some amazing success stories here. Some amazing works in progress. Really good people with some terrific advice. But we all have a lot of prejudices, too, about what works and what doesn't, and what would really help people if they only listened! LOL And there is nothing quite like being on a stall, or being hungry, or learning to cope without your favorite lifelong coping mechanism....to make you grouchy and indignant about why people stubbornly won't listen. Can we agree that not even the doctors have this crap figured out to any kind of consensus? Some of us have had terrific success with eating keto. Some of us eat a buttload of carbs and do great. Some of us are exercise maniacs. Some of us are working hard to get to 5000 steps a day. Some of us won't touch a taboo empty calorie treat food...because it's a slippery slope that shouldn't be tempted. Some of us feel the need to master eating taboo foods in moderation to prove that we are in control and have "conquered" food. Some of us eat 600 calories a day. Some of us eat 1200 a day. Some of us are ok with moderately consuming alcohol. Some of us are not. Some of us are horrified by artificial sweeteners. Some of us use them by the boatload. And here's the really shocking part: People in BOTH CAMPS on all of these points...have been doing really well. How cool is that? The more I listen to all the different stories, the more convinced I am that there are a LOT of ways up this mountain. (Also cool!) Here's another interesting question... What's success? For some folks, success is having a low normal BMI, and being an athlete. For some folks, success is fitting a certain size, looking a certain way, feeling attractive, getting perfect plastics and looking like a model at the end. For some folks, success is hitting some other goal. Being able to fit in an airplane seat, Being able to play with kids and be active. For some folks, success is getting diabetes and blood pressure and other health concerns under control. For some folks, success is weighing under 200 pounds and not sweating it much beyond that. For some folks, success is being mobile, being independent, going back to work, and being able to take care of themselves. There are a lot of different versions of what success looks like. And not everyone's gonna want the same thing. What your group of doctors says....I guarantee you....will not be anything like what another group of doctors says. There are no hard fast answers about what works and what doesn't. What we've got...are a lot of valuable personal experiences with a LOT of different programs. All worth sharing. But no one has THE answer for everyone:) Sometimes I hear....but what about the newbies? Don't we owe it to them to set a good example? No, we really don't. We owe them our honesty. And we owe them the credit they deserve...to do their homework, read a LOT of stuff, consider all the various opinions about everything.... and figure out what they believe and what works for them:) Just my $.02 Opinions...as always....will vary:)

My doctor sent me to a dietician who put me on keto for the two weeks (was actually 2.5 weeks) prior to surgery. But he sent my friend to the hospitals weight loss clinic & she was put on their liquid meal replacement program. Another friend’s surgeon put her on two shakes & one meal (small serve protein & steamed vegetables/undressed salad) per day for four weeks prior. So I guess what I’m saying is every doctor has their own ore surgery requirements, some even have different plans for different patients. You just have to do what they advise. Being more careful about what you eat prior certainly won’t hurt. oh, just noticed this was posted last month. Have you had your surgery and if so how did it go?

There’s lots of different pre surgical plans. I had about 2.5 weeks keto. My friend had four weeks of two shakes & one small protein & vegetable meal per day. Another friend had two weeks shakes only. The first week is always the hardest - my surgeon called it hell week. I’m secretly pleased I had keto but I’ve done those shake diets several times in the past for a couple of months each time. Once past that first week of cravings, headaches, etc. you’ll be ok.

Following this- I’m having the same problem right now and backtracking on what I’ve changed. Today my abdomen was so painful and distended I couldn’t work out and that makes me super cranky. I did try this new keto cereal called Catalina crunch that I’m in love with but I can’t take the gas and change in BMs. I’ve not had issue with anything I eat since surgery- bah humbug

Hello everyone! I havent had my sleeve yet. Im scheduled for Aug. 16th. However, My Sister & 1 of my daughters have! They have told me their storys of their pros & cons of their post op diets. So I've started to do more research & I found that Ketogenics might be a good eating program FOR ME, to try now & after my surgery. Check out Dr Eric Berg on youtube under keto diet. He is very informative & explains things that are easy to understand! For Example: he mentions how Apple Cider Vinegar helps to put your body back to it's natural Ph balance which helps with weight loss, constipation, etc. Most of you may already know about the benefits of Apple Cider Vinegar. I did too but the way he explains it was way more informative!! Amazing info![emoji106] So check him out. You just might loose your frustrations! Sent from my SM-T530NU using BariatricPal mobile app

Foods that don't like me no mo: Cooked kale greens, although I may give them another try this fall; chicken breast (too dry), chicken thighs on occasion, bread (not that I eat a lot anyway), paleo/keto pancakes -- basically complex carbs…. And thanks!

That is great! I've always struggled to keep my Vitamin D level above minimum. I did Keto before and olive oil and coconut oil were considered as "healthy fats". I also used to take one 1 tablespoon of MCT oil with my bullet-proof coffee (once daily). Maybe do some research on that.

My weight loss calories seem to be different as I progressed out from surgery. Calculators don't wok for me. My calorie zone is less. I don't eat Keto - I am back on baritric basic diet to get the weight off. I'm further out from surgery. I can eat more food. If I stay in my weight loss calories,I lose weight. I logged in a food app to find my weight loss calorie zone. Some log food consistently to get the weight off. Others can guess if they are in weight loss range. I was gaining when I guessed. None of this is a one size fits all to get the weight back down. Find what works for you.

So I'm hoping to hear from anyone with a high BMI that got the sleeve and had a lot of success. My current BMI is 63. My goal weight is 200 pounds, which means I need to lose 190 pounds. For various reasons I chose the sleeve over the bypass, and I know bypass patients lose more than sleeve patients do. BUT...I have no issues following the diet, and once I lose some weight I will start working out again (I did keto and lost almost 100 pounds over 7 months, but then it just started creeping back up and no matter how much I restricted my carbs and worked out, I couldn't keep the weight down and I got frustrated and quit), but I worry that I won't be able to hit my goal even if I stick to the diet and work out. I have MS, so strengthening my muscles and losing the weight is a must to keep my mobility and reduce the pain. I also desperately want to get rid of my diabetes and high blood pressure. And I'm hoping losing the weight will help my asthma a little. BUT... is this possible with the sleeve? I'm so excited about the surgery, but is it really possible to lose that kind of weight with the sleeve? Has ANYONE on here done it, or even come close? This just has to work. I wasn't always overweight. I used to be a size 6, but when I had my son back in 98, my PCOS jump started and I put on close to 100 pounds and only lost maybe 25. No matter what i did, I couldn't lose it. Then I had my daughter and gained close to the same amount, and was never able to lose any of it. Then I did keto, succeeded for a while, then it failed and I gave up. And now here I am. Do I have any hope at all of hitting my goal weight?

LOL- I guess Ive been Googling the wrong words, here's a new one.... https://www.bariatriceating.com/2017/03/bee-keto-bariatric-plan/

Okay so you and I are having a similar experience and I have to say I have been feeling super frustrated because I see people losing 40 pounds in a month and I am closer to 20 3 months out....but, I recently saw my nutritionist and she said I am drinking too much water (which I didnt even know was a possibility?) But she told me to me very strict about not xri king before or after eating for an hour....the other thing she mentioned was super important...I had been doing a keto diet pre-surgery and it was really helpful and working! But, with my new tummy, I can't stay eating the same level of fat....so, I need to watch calories, cut out that cheese I had been ingesting....I have been working out, eating healthy....taking my vitamins....but, I am taking what she said into consideration and trying my best to lower my fat, increase my protein and not drink before or after meals...and I lost 5 pounds since seeing her....but, and I know this is just supposed to be a tool and not a miracle...I have worked really hard to lose each and every pound...oh and I am going bald, not very happy about that...sigh... Sent from my SM-G930P using BariatricPal mobile app

My doctor/nutritionist do not want me to ever eat any product that contains yeast. Not sure why yeast specifically, but I know they do not want me to have most breads and similar products. They also do not want me to have any rice and only limited portions of wheat pasta. I CAN however eat 6-10 whole wheat crackers, so I am using that as my "bread". I think I am going to just have to do my best to do a mostly keto"ish" diet. I also just ordered cheese crisps to substitute crackers and add a little protein in their place. Not sure how I will like those yet. Ordered a variety so maybe I can find something tasty. Pre-packaged food: I am going to do my best to avoid all processed pre-packaged food. It usually isn't very healthy for you. But, if I do need something quick and easy I am not opposed to using them occasionally. But instead of frozen meals, I will try to get some fresher versions from local delis. Haven't tried the bariatric site meals, but I did buy some bariatric soups for after surgery.

I did keto for a bit, but my doc told me not to cut out any food group, or I might end up lacking important vitamins or minerals (supplements notwithstanding). So I'm just sticking to the old - but admittedly boring - maxim of 'everything in moderation'. I don't have an addictive personality, so that's OK for me (but I can see that it wouldn't suit everyone).

No judgment, Glad you are asking for help Gains can happen to any of us. (I’ve had one) Weight loss mode and maintaining is work. None of this is easy, right? Reality is its not going to be easy. But you can do some things to turn this around. Therapy and counseling may help you address your relationship with food, why your discipline is lacking and getting back on track. Your surgeon can talk to you about all your options. Doing this on your own or with help is a mental battle. Except that you will feel crappy and have cravings while you detox off the extra calorie’s carbs and sugar. Many go back to bariatric basics, keto paleo vegan. Log your food is the only way you will know if you are eating your weight loss calories and macros. Joining a weight loss challenge can help you stay on track. Keep us updated. Your battle with this is going to help others dealing with the same situation. Many come here looking for solutions and then disappear from the site. I hope you stay around and give people insight from your experience.