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@Losebig - Wendy’s has fab bean and mince chilli. I love it occasionally because my wife is vegetarian. I buy a big one, and freeze it in 1/2 cup portions. The Wendy’s website gives nutritional breakdown - I don’t have it regularly (I love cooking these days) but it is a great occasional treat - where I really feel like I am treating myself! (Sometimes I add sriracha, or sliced jalapeños or chilli flakes, before freezing!)

hey leenerbups im a lactose intolerant vegetarian too -- what kind of food did you eat during your mushie stage? im worried about preop food conflicts

Peppers stuffed with ground tur- key & Quinoa ave you ever heard of quinoa (pronounced keen-wah). An unusual word, I know. You’ve probably never heard of it be- fore. In fact, many people are unaware that quinoa is an amazing super food. This plant is indigenous to South America and has been used by local people there for a long time. The plant was eaten to help give Incan warriors energy on their long journeys and during battles. The Inca’s thought so highly of this food that they treated it as a sacred plant. It was part of almost every meal that they ate. The quinoa plant produces seeds, which are the part that is eaten. The seeds can come in a variety of colors including yellow, red, pur- ple, green and white. They have a nutty flavor and a fluffy but slightly crunchy texture, much like rice. Quinoa is considered a whole grain. However, it is less known than other grains such as wheat, oats and rice. Quinoa has an abundance of health benefits associated with it. This grain definitely packs a nutritional punch. It provides 12 grams of cooked fiber per cup of cooked quinoa. The daily recommended intake for adults is 25-25 gms of fiber/day. This is a great way for many people to get their fiber in. Quinoa also provides 9 gms of protein per cooked cup. This is higher than any of the other whole grains. For individuals who fol- low a vegetarian or vegan diet, quinoa is an easy was to include pro- tein in the diet and ensure adequate intake. Protein is an important macronutrient to help maintain lean body mass which supports as increased metabolism and protein keeps you feeling full for longer. Other benefits of this nutrient-dense grain include iron, magne- sium and calcium content. All of these minerals are very important in the diet and help boost energy levels, reduce headaches and mi- graines, lower the risk of hypertension, and increase bone health. An additional upside of eating quinoa is that it is gluten free, so those individuals with celiac disease can consume this grain without any problem. Quinoa is also a quick and easy food to prepare and is available in most grocery stores. Before cooking the grain, it should be washed first to make sure and saponins (the protected outer layer) are re- moved because they can cause it to have a bitter taste. To prepare it, take one cup of uncooked quinoa, combine it with two cups of water, allow it to boil, and then simmer for 10-15 minutes. When done, the seeds should be very white or almost translucent. It can be served hot just like oatmeal or cold in a salad. Add nuts, berries, flax seed or veggies to it for a healthy and delicious dish. Enjoy! HQuinoa: A Super Food

For me, the very first thing was bread, and any doughy products. Then came melted cheeses. they are globs and no matter how well you chew, it's still a glob. Sticky foods like Peanut Butter. Shrimp and lobster are a big problem. Again, no matter how well you chew, it does not brake down into a mush very well. I have become a incidental vegetarian...ANY red meat, including pork, is a very big problem with me so it is no longer as entre of choice. This include fake meats such as turkey meatballs and such. Same consistancy. I mentioned this to my Dr. and he said that is not surprising at all. Then added it's not really bad thing either, right? There are many other foods I stay away from. ANYTHING breaded and deep fried is another one that stands out.

Hey Sleevers! I have 2 more days to go before surgery and I feel the butterflies in my stomach.... Congrats to all that are coming up on that big date! We will do well and be a success! (have to keep telling myself that) And my son has the AUDACITY to be sitting in front of me chomping down on some hot dogs & Bush's vegetarian beans..... I can say this though...I DON'T WANT ANY!!!! (didn't think I'd feel that way about food lol) Anyhoo, say a prayer for me and I will do the same!

I believe there are some people here who do not eat meat - and I hope you can find the support you need. under the general support section, food and nutrition there is a forum for vegan and vegetarian - perhaps you might find something helpful there.

I am also a vegetarian, and once you get off the liquid diet it's not hard. I eat a lot of refried beans and lentils, tofu, ricotta and cottage cheese. Eggs, if you eat them, are a great protein source and I love them (never could eat them when I had my lap band!) I take the Amy's vegetarian frozen dinners, and after thawed I get four meals out of them. Once you can eat some rice, you can make a meal out of two or three pieces of vegetable roll "sushi". It may be a little harder to get enough protein in, but I use the Isopure zero carb protein water to help with that. While you are on your mushies stage google "Eggface's Ricotta Bake" It's delish! I still eat it even though I have no restrictions now.

I could only get a couple of bites in, but I am on the mushy stage and it was easy to grind this up to the consistency I needed before cooking. My family loved them too and never asked if they had meat in them. I'm not a vegetarian but these were still so good. Cheddar-Stuffed Black Bean and Mushroom Burgers Ingredients 1 can black Beans (14 ounces), drained and rinsed 1 10-ounce package cremini (baby bella) mushrooms, sliced 1 slice whole-grain bread, toasted 1 small onion, chopped 2 cloves garlic, chopped 1 T balsamic vinegar 1 1/2 t ground cumin 1/4 t salt 1 t black pepper 1 egg 4 oz sharp cheddar cheese, sliced Directions Preheat oven to 425 degrees. Place mushrooms in a food processor and pulse several times until coarsely chopped. Tear the bread into pieces and add to the food processor, along with the beans, onion, garlic, vinegar, cumin, salt and pepper. Pulse until mixed but still chunky, then add egg and pulse a few more times. Divide the mixture into four. Take a quarter of the mixture and form a ball, placing the cheddar cheese inside and then flattening the ball into a burger shape. (TIP: Slice cheese in 1" cubes for easy insertion.) Repeat with the other three patties. Place patties on nonstick baking sheet. Set baking sheet on the middle rack of the oven and allow to bake for 20 minutes, until outside is crispy. Serve with baked potato wedges and a green salad. (calories not included.) Makes four patties. Nutritional Info Servings Per Recipe: 4 Amount Per Serving Calories: 244.5 Total Fat: 8.2 g Cholesterol: 66.2 mg Sodium: 439.9 mg Total Carbs: 24.9 g Dietary Fiber: 7.8 g Protein: 17.2 g

thank you all for the kind words & support. i realize i can come off as overbearing sometimes.. but it comes from a good place.. i'm just passionate! lol --- i come in peace! <3 notime-- that's cool that your nutritionist is a vegan. but there are vegans/vegetarians out there rocking their sleeves. lol it may be a little harder in some ways, but it's doable! even if you can't or don't want to be a vegan, it's good to incorporate some stuff from that lifestyle in your diet, like you guys are talking about doing! doesn't have to be a full on conversion, a little does help a lot! here's a video of a lady whose been sleeved, she's demonstrating how to sprout some seeds to eat & talks about the benefits of the Water that the sprouts are in.. on a side note, in regards to sprouts.. i saw on doomsday preppers (a tv show) where one family stocked up on various sorts of seeds and water to sprout & live on in case of a major disaster.. because they (the sprouts) have everything you need to survive.. amino acids, minerals, Vitamins, carbs and fiber. i thought that was pretty cool!

part 2... there's also been studies done that link dairy products to breast & prostate cancer.. they said this on the news a few weeks ago- i don't recall if it was local or something like good morning america, but it was broadcast on television... there's also a book called the china study that did a study on various regions of china & showed the most common cancers and diseases among chinese people & what they ate (it goes more in depth than that, but it's hard to condense a huge book down into a few sentences without some sort of discrepancies, so please excuse me)... it was written by one of the top doctors in the united states.. here's his bio... "For more than 40 years, T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D. has been at the forefront of nutrition research. His legacy, the China Study, is the most comprehensive study of health and nutrition ever conducted. Dr. Campbell is the Jacob Gould Schurman Professor Emeritus of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell University and Project Director of the China-Oxford-Cornell Diet and Health Project. The study was the culmination of a 20-year partnership of Cornell University, Oxford University and the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine. Dr. Campbell received his master's degree and Ph.D. from Cornell, and served as a Research Associate at MIT. He spent 10 years on the faculty of Virginia Tech's Department of Biochemistry and Nutrition before returning to the Division of Nutritional Sciences at Cornell in 1975 where he presently holds his Endowed Chair (now Emeritus). His principal scientific interests, which began with his graduate training in the late 1950s, has been on the effects of nutritional status on long term health, particularly on the cause of cancer. He has conducted original research both in laboratory experiments and in large-scale human studies; has received more than 70 grant-years of peer-reviewed research funding, mostly from the National Institute of Health, and has served on several grant review panels of multiple funding agencies, lectured extensively, and has authored more than 300 research papers. He is the recipient of several awards, both in research and citizenship, and has conducted original research investigation both in experimental animal and human studies, and has actively participated in the development of national and international nutrition policy. source: http://www.thechinas...om/authors.html he knows what he's talking about, i'd say!.. and he grew up on a dairy farm in the 50's, thinking that cow milk was the perfect food, because that's how they were raised & what was a popular belief at the time.. but he soon found out that, that was not the case & that people that eat animals & animal products develop cancers and other problems... and that by eliminating the animal products consumed they could stop or reverse diseases caused by the animal products.. there's also a documentary, called "forks over knives" where Dr Campbell and another doctor- Dr Esselstyn tell their story & how the china study came to be & what they found & etc.. here's the description from youtube: "Documentary filmmaker Lee Fulkerson explores the possibility that so-called "diseases of affluence," such as heart disease, can be reversed by simply adjusting our diets to include less processed and animal-based foods. Back in the 1960s, Cornell University nutritional scientist Dr. T. Colin Campbell was working to find a way to feed the citizens of impoverished Third World nations when a trip to the Philippines forever changed the way he thought about food consumption. There, he discovered that the rates of liver cancer among affluent children who subsisted on diets rich in animal-based foods were notably higher than in children consuming plant-based diets. Meanwhile, surgeon Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, head of the Breast Cancer Task Force at Cleveland Clinic, was also discovering that many of the diseases he was seeing in patients were practically nonexistent in areas of the world where people were primarily consuming plant foods. Several subsequent investigations by the researchers (who would not meet each other until the 1980s), including a groundbreaking study in China by Dr. Campbell, led them to the revelation that a whole-food, plant-based diet could prevent, and even reverse, such degenerative conditions as type 2 diabetes, heart disease, and some forms of cancer. In this film, Fulkerson examines Dr. Campbell's and Dr. Esselstyn's theories by following the two doctors' individual, yet very similar, story arcs, from their farm-based upbringings to their astounding discoveries. The film also records the experiences of a group of patients suffering from chronic maladies as they participate in an experiment in which their diets are substantially altered and wholesome, plant-based food is, essentially, used as medicine." you can watch it on Netflix here: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Forks_Over_Knives/70185045?locale=en-US or if you don't have Netflix, you can watch it for free on Hulu: there's also a book by a scientist who cured herself of terminal breast cancer just by eliminating meat & dairy & all other animal products from her diet.. she had cancer 5 times at varying stages & went the traditional, medical route.. she did the chemo & radiation & even had one of her breasts removed.. the 5th time was the one that she was terminal with & she was like "modern medicine can't help me" & figured out how to beat it & she did. she duplicated the results in other people, too. http://www.dailymail...red-cancer.html << there's an article about her, and her book is called "your life in your hands" by Jane A Plant & is available for purchase on Amazon (and yes, i have read it & i own it). then you have people like max gerson who did a study in the 1920's on people with various kinds of TB... he studied 450 patients & 447 were completely cured... his daughter, charlotte gerson also had TB & she cured it by following her dad's diet & is still alive, in her late 80's now... the gerson institute cures people with terminal, inoperable diseases all the time.. you can watch a couple documentaries about them here: The Beautiful Truth: http://www.youtube.c...e?v=wvzDHGLEUyw The Gerson Miracle: http://www.youtube.c...e?v=sbIixJI_oa4 then there's ann wigmore, and the hippocrates health institute.. they do the same thing... very large percentage of cured patients that were diagnosed with terminal illnesses. she wrote many books that are available & there's videos of her & stuff on youtube & stuff. there's a lot of raw vegans that have cured various diseases, like IBS, Crohn's disease, cancer (all kinds- pancreatic, liver, kidney, brain, breast, prostate, etc).. as well as recovered from things like PCOS (which is an infertility issue in women), as well as recovering from paralysis from strokes/heart attacks, like this guy here.. Dave the Raw food truck driver: it's also great for weight loss... this guy lost 200lb in 1 year by eliminating meat & dairy & processed food from his diet & eating raw food, lots of fruit, juicing and doing a doctor supervised Water fast for 21 days.. this guy lost 230 lb, beat cancer, cured his diabetes & healed himself from a paralyzing stroke... as well as other issues.. he was on 25 pills a day & doesn't take any now. (i mentioned him above, this is another interview) this guy went from 455 lb to a bodybuilder.. restored his body, got rid of his medications, overcame diabetes, etc.. this guy went from 400 lb to 185 & has even been featured on the tv show "the doctors" there's also a documentary called "fat, sick & nearly dead" which is about an australian guy who had all sorts of issues & was on all sorts of pills and things.. he decided he would come to the US for 60 days, drive across the country & do a "juice fast"... and it documents his journey & has some really cool surprising things happen.. like meeting a truck driver who weighed over 400 pounds & helping him lose weight & stuff.. the guy ended up losing almost 100lb in 2 months. and no gallbladder issues for either of them! you can watch the documentary on hulu or netflix.. netflix: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Fat_Sick_Nearly_Dead/70173634?trkid=2361637 hulu: they even have a website where they go over everything in the documentary & have recipes & etc.. http://www.jointhereboot.com/ so yes, it is possible for vegans and vegetarians to succeed with a sleeve. the only thing a sleeve does is restrict how much you can eat, it doesn't have limits on what you have to eat or where you get your Protein & Vitamins & minerals.. there are alternatives for everything that you have on your regular meat & cheese diet, just from a different, more easily absorbed, easily digestable source. and like everyone else here says.. the sleeve is just a tool to get you where you want to go. you still have to diet and exercise.. and one of the reasons that i want the sleeve is because of the freedom of diet that i can have. also, no, i don't expect you to watch all the stuff i posted... i know that no one would. i just posted it to be thorough and in hopes that someone would find something they were interested in watching & watch at least one of the videos... and in case you or anyone else ever got curious and wanted a place to start researching vegan/raw foods.

Greetings to all, I was just wondering if there where any raw foodist/vegans/vegetarians out there to share some nutritional wisdom with me? I'm really concern with maintaining as healthy or as chemical free diet as possible.

I'm also at week three and struggling a bit to get in enough Protein. Isopure makes bottled fruit flavored drinks with 40 grams of protein in them, though I've lost my love for sweeter tastes since having the surgery. They're around $4 at The Vitamin Shoppe. I don't know if you might tolerate them better than the shakes. This list of high protein foods might be helpful to you: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ultimate-list-40-high-protein-foods.html Beans and lentils are a good source of protein. I'm a vegetarian, so I don't eat meat but of course those who do have many options. I've heard that if you put meat (or soy meat) into a crock pot with broth to soften it it will be gentler on your stomach, but I haven't tried that yet myself.

Whether you’re hosting or you’re a guest, you can always make sure there’s at least something for you to eat. Just make a big enough batch to share with the table. You can never have too many salads, sides, and desserts at Thanksgiving, so consider one or more of the following. Acorn or butternut squash roasted with garlic, rosemary, and chicken broth for seasoning. Roasted Brussels sprouts or green beans with Dijon mustard. Spinach salad with cranberries, chestnut pieces, and cubes of cooked sweet potato. Cabbage and roasted beet salad. Fresh fruit salad. Baked apples with cinnamon and sprinkled with chopped walnuts or pecans. These dishes can save your diet and dignity, and they’re pretty simple! You don’t need to aim for fancy dishes and give yourself any extra headaches in the kitchen at Thanksgiving. Protein and Veggies…You Know the Drill You know how to eat right after WLS. Thanksgiving dinner is no different. Protein comes first, then come veggies. A serving of starch can fit in, and watch out for the condiments. That sounds easy enough, and it’s what you do every other day. Ready to put it in place on Thanksgiving? Your lean protein is probably skinless turkey breast, unless you’re vegetarian or having a non-traditional Thanksgiving. Whether you have tofu, crab, chicken, ham, or venison, you can make a small serving of lean protein the center of your meal. Take mustard and only a dollop of cranberry sauce, which is high-sugar. Veggies come next. Load up on green salads, sautéed broccoli or kale, and anything roasted, such as carrots, green beans, and onions. Watch out for creamy corn and green bean casseroles and buttery vegetables. Finally, garnish your meal with a little bit of starch. Sweet potatoes are healthiest, but you can also opt for a small serving of mashed potatoes, half a dinner roll, or even a spoonful of stuffing. Pick One Special Treat You don’t need to deprive yourself completely on Thanksgiving. If you don’t let yourself have any treats, you might eventually break down and eat way too much later. Better to enjoy a few bites of pumpkin pie now and feel good about it than to cave in to the entire pie later and feel sick and guilty. Give yourself permission to choose a special treat that you love and look forward to every year. Whether it’s your mom’s sausage and apple stuffing or your brother-in-law’s homemade biscuits, let yourself have a few bites of that special treat. Savor every bite. Think about its flavors and texture, and what it means to you, and how proud you are that you can enjoy it and be satisfied with that portion. Practice Eating Slowly Eating slowly is essential on the bariatric surgery diet. Thanksgiving is actually the ideal time to practice your skills. When else do you get the pleasure of good company sitting around the table for hours? Take advantage! Engage in the conversation, and focus on the people, not the food. If you stick to the rule of not talking with your mouth full, and you put your fork down and make eye contact when you’re listening to someone else talk, Thanksgiving dinner will fly by, and you may find you enjoyed it more than ever while eating less than ever. Good deal! Don’t Let Leftovers Weigh You Down The dinner’s over, everyone’s left the table, and the house is quiet again. It’s not yet time to let your guard down, though! The leftovers can be even more dangerous than Thanksgiving dinner itself. Pack them up and get rid of the ones that are trouble – like chocolate cream pie. There are plenty of healthy ways you can use leftover turkey. One is to simply freeze it in small portions and defrost them when you need them. You can also try any of these ideas. Turkey wraps with shredded turkey, mustard, and leftover roasted veggies wrapped in lettuce leaves. Turkey soup with a base of chicken broth, onions, carrots, and celery, plus any veggies you want. Turkey curry with cauliflower, eggplant, peas, and Indian spices. Turkey salad with cooked cubed turkey, halved cherry or grape tomatoes, nonfat plain Greek yogurt, Dijon mustard, diced pickles, and black pepper. Green salad with turkey, avocado, and black beans. There are so many healthy ways to use turkey, you may not even be sick of it after you finish the entire turkey! With these hacks and a little discipline and creativity, you can get through Thanksgiving dinner and beyond feeling healthy and confident, not stuffed and weighed down. That confidence is worth a lot, and it can carry you through the holiday season as you keep working towards your goals.

Here's a list of High Protein Snack Examples my Dr. gave me! * Low fat peanut butter or low fat cheese on whole grain crackers (Triscuits) *Low fat cottage cheese with fruit *String cheese with fruit *low fat yogurt *skim milk with 1 packet no sugar added instant breakfast *hard boiled egg with low fat shredded cheese *apple/bannana with low fat peanut butter *low fat refried beans(vegetarian) with cheese *protein bars (balance,genisoy,met-rx) *tuna on crackers *edamame(soybeans) *trail mix(NO M&M'S):tongue2: *protein shake with fruit *sugar free pudding made with skim or soy milk *beef jerky *lean deli meat and cheese roll ups And don't forget the power of condiments.......

There is nothing wrong with being a vegan and no one needs to know why. I make my own black bean burgers that are good but also in the vegetarian frozen foods they have many burgers, ribs, chicken patties that are very good. I don't mind being a vegan. meat just doesn't work for me most of the time. I don't miss it. I still eat eggs and dairy but meat no. Once in a while I will eat some salmon but other then that I am a happy vegan. I have learned to appreciate food instead of being a hog and eating a whole pizza. That is past for me. There is nothing better then some Beans seasoned to perfection. My cabinet where most people store canned goods and other things are full of beans.

I used to use Pure Protein, but figured out they are not vegetarian...switched to Balance and Targets knock off brand.

p.s. What I think some don't realize is his "unconventional ways" brought attention, interest, education and money to the animals he featured which no one would care about otherwise. See what he has to say about that here: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwxQyhIbhAk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwxQyhIbhAk[/ame] Steve temporarily "charged" into their habitats, but he also used his money to buy up a whole bunch of land to preserve as is in addition to restoring the land in Australia Zoo to become the animals' habitats. Steve put his money and fame where his mouth was and his heart was full of compassion for animals and wildlife. His was a minimum, temporary disturbance. Handling a snake will anger it minutes but he never harmed one and always sent it right back on its way. In exchange for that the snake's species and habitat gets massive amounts of attention it otherwise wouldn't have gotten. He has said his main goal is to take those animals made horrible by bad human PR and save them from extinction, his main passion was to show people that animals are wonderful and not to want to kill them out of fear, no matter how deadly the animal. I think that is maybe why he took so many chances. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwxQyhIbhAk][/ame] I'm an animal activist, PETA member, vegetarian. Steve did not harm the animals. Did he bug them? Yes. What did it get in exchange? Screentime and a chance for viewers to be educated and learn about that animal, which in turn can only benefit both humans and animals. Steve is probably single handedly responsible for de-mystifying crocodiles as big evil creatures. And that's the first step in conservation: people don't want to save endangered animals they think are evil predators. So is being held for five minutes and in no way being harmed physically worth the trade off of preserving a species and its habitat? Hell yes. Those that may stumble into the thread and not like Steve Irwin to consider these facts and also ask that you respect that some of us are very much effected by his death and in mourning for him, and be kind to us in that regard. I for one am still crying over it.

Sounds like we had our surgeries around the same time. I got to my lowest weight of 164 lbs. About a year after surgery. I started out at 325. I gained back about 10 lbs over the last 2 years, and I felt fine in the 170s. I knew that I wasn’t eating my best though- I was eating whatever I wanted in small portions. That’s not how I wanted to live, and I didn’t feel my best. So 2 weeks ago I tried out the 10 Day Pouch Reset diet- not to shrink my pouch, but to get back control of my eating. I ended up losing 6 lbs during those 10 days. I decided to continue eating clean by cutting out most carbs and wine, and sticking with vegetarian way of eating. I feel great and I lost a few more pounds! So I just thought I’d let you know what worked for me- Good luck! You can do whatever you set your mind to! We have already proven that we can be successful after surgery, sometimes we just need to remind ourselves that we are bariatric patients for life who have to constantly work towards maintaining our new bodies and minds!

I think I fall into a particular catagory when it comes to being a 'vegetarian'... I have not had beef, veal, lamb, ect ect for at least 4months but I do eat eggs, chicken, turkey, seafood. Those sorta things. Most of my Protein comes from veggie burgers and such. I buy Morning Star Farms line of products and I am love them. Also from my Protein shakes too. nyxa - I read it all and also will incorporate some of the ideas mentioned. Very interesting post by the way. It shows your convictions and that is great!

I've been eating tomato soup made with milk, vegetarian vegetable made with water and strained, split pea, chicken broth,

I am a vegetarian with multiple food allergies. A food allergy is not something that would warrant not having sleeve surgery. What you will need to do is review your food issues with the nutritionist in your bariatric program so that you can develop ways to meet your nutrition goals

I could never be a vegetarian nor vegan. I love meat to much. Yes, when I stop and think I do feel bad and being inthe veterinary field makes it harder, but I treat small animals not large. I could never give it up. I do not like seafood though, the smell makes me want to puke, so I've never really tried it. The only meat I do not eat is veal, because I feel bad for the babies.

Thanks, that is a good suggestion too. I do have my vitamins checked regularly. My B12 is normal, for which I'm thankful, since I've been a vegetarian most of my adult life (I'm middle-aged). I take a supplement daily. Also, my vit D was low and I'm taking a supplement, though my RD said basically everyone's is low. Mine was really, really low, so I'm hoping I feel better with the supplementation. I started it pre-op and it came up a little.

good to know, FeedyourEye--unfortunately, mushrooms are the one vegetable (or more aptly, fungus) I just can't eat. People think it's weird since so many vegetarians love mushrooms--but I just can't do it...not even the portabellos. However, this is super-interesting, and I am going to tell my husband, who loves mushrooms. Thanks!

I made this recipe as a vegetarian meal tonight for me and DH. we loved it! Thanks for sharing!