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Anyone doing the Keto diet after VGS? If so how is it working for you?
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THE SLOW LOSERS CLUB SUPPORT THREAD
Serengirl replied to Serengirl's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I am not misunderstanding. at my weight i can burn 600-800 for an hour of high intensity working out. I also work in a profession on set where I am up and moving around for easily 14- 16 hours a day, sometimes 20 hours. if your resting metabolic burn- as in sitting on a couch all day is say 2400 and then ontop of that you Burn another 2000 between workouts and moving around all day your full calories burned over the course of a 24 hr period is 4400. It is absolutely possible. and then subtract what you eat and thats your deficit. But here's a story for you. i worked several season on the B1ggest Loser show. They often worked out 8 hours a day. Everything they ate was controlled down the the precise calories macros you name it. On average they would hit a Minimum 5000 calorie deficit burn from exercise a day many would burn way more 6000-7000 A DAY- and they would get on the scale (especially the women) and lose 0 lbs or 2 lbs or 3 lbs... all of the time. their calories in and out in no way on earth reflected 3500= 1 lbs. And the women (and men) who had always been overweight lost much slower than the ones who had once been thin but then gained weight. The fact is Drs are learning moe and more all of the time about the microbiome and how a 100 of spinach isn't the same was as 100 cals of a candy bar and the way you body processes it is different. It is why people who eat all raw or Keto can eat a TON of calories and still lose. They dont even count calories and they lose weight hand over fist. So Dont tell me what You know when most drs are only still figuring it out and there is tons of research talking about the microbiome now. Ion fact studies were done on people who were on the Biggest loser and how afterwards their metabolisms change so significantly that even eating 1200 cals a day they gained weight.... because their bodies were fighting like hell to go back to their set point of weight. because your body has a set point. Any other person would lose on that amount but they gained... and they couldn't work out enough to maintain because they were having to do 2 or more hours every days and eat 1200 cals or less just to maintain their weight. Never underestimate the power of the human body to do what ever the heck it wants... -
Trying to get out of my head....
Arabesque replied to SleeveToBypass2023's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Something to watch is while you usually have perfect cholesterol, you may find that changes while you’re losing. Like oestrogen being released into your body from your fat as you lose weight the same is true of cholesterol. My cholesterol wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t bad just over the high side of normal but it seemed to always be about that regardless if what I weighed so my doctor was okay with it. When I was losing it went up & up & up & my liver function went weird too (also common). So while the keto high fat diet may be something you consider in maintenance, the high fat aspect may be too much while you are losing. My dietician advised keto was fine in the short term & good for kick starting weight loss but it wasn’t really sustainable. (My pre surgery diet was keto.) I did some of my own reading & decided I agreed. Do I eat fat? Yes. Do I eat high fat? No. I get a lot from animal products (meat, dairy) but I don’t add a lot more (been using the same 500g pack of butter for 8 months). Some salad dressing, a little oil if cooking. But then I’ve never enjoyed fattier foods anyway. I look at it as generally a little of everything in moderation & balance. But you have to discover what works best for you in the long term. -
Trying to get out of my head....
SleeveToBypass2023 replied to SleeveToBypass2023's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I asked my dietician in the group zoom 3 month check in yesterday and she said "because we don't do that. It's not recommended after surgery" so I asked her "ok, but why? Will it make me sick? Will it hurt me? I know the bariatric diet says low fat but my body responds better to high fats, very low carbs, low sugar, and high protein. Is the fat going to hurt me? I don't do all eggs and bacon and all that, and my cholesterol is always perfect. What is bad about it?" and I still got the same response of "because it's not recommended for after surgery". So I never actually got a real answer for why keto isn't allowed after surgery. -
Oooooo tell us about vegan keto por favor!
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Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
Frustr8 replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
Just reviews Dr Angela Bosworth €Dr Boz) from YOU- Tube, much if what she says bears much truth, I know, now a little more about me to keto/low inflammatory diets. Am I ready to jump on this bandwagon and go to IF. Not quite yet, still hsvebto have my,pouch accept a more varied diet. But Much FOOD for THOUGHT! -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
FluffyChix replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
@Orchids&Dragons I'm so sorry about the state of your tubesocks girls. ((hugs)) @Sosewsue61 Welcome back my friend! Hold on tight and do it just for today. We can do anything for 1 day. Then tomorrow wake up and recommit for 1 day. Pretty soon you'll be going strong and you will catch the fire. I swear seeing the scale move quickly is the big motivator. Just embrace the suck for 1 day only. ((hugs)) @GreenTealael Can I just tell you that I adore your videos!!!??? Love the links you post - they teach so much and are very helpful and uplifting/empowering! Fiber = Big Crush for me. Must. Have. Fiber. LURVE fiber! Love Dr. B. @AEdoesRnY Welcome! Hope you will hang out here and post often. There are some super duper posts in the last 153pages. Bahahahaha! Happy reading/losing. IF really helps shake the tree up. I also recommend a "lowerish" carb approach. Even though @sillykitty wasn't LC/keto by her foods, I believe she was/is by virtue of her restriction and daily calories. And I really think we all want to access the fat stores in our body rather than burning lean tissue. Being keto means you have access to your fat stores to make up the nutrition you need when you're in calorie restriction from fasting. If you are only in calorie restriction (that may be high enough to keep you from ketosis), then you don't have access to those fat stores and your body smartly down regulates your metabolism in alignment with your calorie restriction. Plain as mud, right? I'm doing good here y'all. Still bouncing between 140-144. Today I'm 141.0 and will hopefully be 140 tomorrow again. Or maybe I will tick down into the 130s? I can hope. Right? I want to be @sillykitty when I grow up. -
October List of Surgery's
Mogwaicat replied to 60&goin4it's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
My nut doesn't approve of dry cereals/granola this early out, not until I'm at least at 4mo so Kashi's out. Ketosis, other than the breath/mouth taste issue, doesn't really bother me. One of my previous diet 'attempts' was Keto, so I spent five months in ketosis...lost 30lbs, gained 35 when life happened and made things difficult. I'm wondering if the nausea/light-headedness is mostly just not eating enough. I can only get 1/4-1/2 cup at a time, depending on what it is, and I struggle to eat three times a day because of the nausea/lack of hunger. I've tried to have a string cheese or a light babybel when I can, to fill in. I'm having more 'good' days than bad this week, so hopefully this phase was just temporary. I might manage four meals today! Breakfast was a chicken sausage made with roasted garlic and gruyere. 14gms protein for one, though I could only manage half of it. I'll have the other half later. Syntrax nectar is a no-go. Three sips, waited ten minutes, and had a horrible heavy feeling in my stomach and moderate nausea to the point where I went and laid down for a while. I give up, my body has apparently declared that whey protein isolate is somehow poisonous. No issues at all with yogurt or cheeses, so who knows... I have my six week appointment coming up, if the trend of better days doesn't keep up I might ask for something for the nausea or see if they have any ideas why it's so persistent. -
“Real” food vs Bariatric foods
Sleeve_Me_Alone replied to csrouse's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I am just over 3 months out and most days I am able to get all of my protein from whole foods. I always eat my protein first, then veggies if I have room. At this point, I'm still not eating any starchy veggies or simple carbs, simply because I don't have room for them after my protein & fibrous veggies. Occasionally, my restriction is higher which further limits how much I can eat, or if I'm out and about, I'll drink a shake or have a protein bar, but that's definitely not the norm anymore. As for bariatric foods, I do not and have never used them. When I decided to have surgery, I committed to eating regular, whole foods as much as possible and completely get rid of "diet" foods. I don't do keto/bariatric/low carb/low fat/whatever diet foods or substitutes. I didn't have surgery to eat crappy diet food for the rest of my life; I want to eat GOOD food. Stuff that tastes good and is good for my body. That is just a personal preference though, and lots of people use bariatric foods with great success and truly enjoy them. You have to find what works for you! -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
FluffyChix replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
You did great! We've been doing this longer than you have, hon! Thanks for giving it a shot. How many hours did you go today? At some point you will feel ready to try it again. And also, it's much easier once you've been 16:8 for a while and also if you are low carb/keto. WTG girlie!! -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
FluffyChix replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
I can absolutely attest to this! You can cram pack a buttload of veggies (leafy and low glycemic) into 40g of total carbs per day...even in 20g of total carbs. I am now averaging loosely between 20-55g of total carbs on any given day that net out and average to anywhere from about 15g-35g of net carbs give or take. And I'm am squarely and fairly in ketosis. Now granted, I've been keto adapted for years!!! And I'm now exercising every day... But, for most of us in the first stages of WLS, we are ketogenic by virtue of our very low calorie diet (VLC) even in the absence of being low carb. Keto happens through deprivation of calories or by suppressing carbs (completely independent of fat or proteins!). Boiler Plate Disclaimer: BTW! NOT that I am pushing my woe or trying to recruit! Just offering anecdotal commentary!!! I fully support your individual woe regardless of what it is...as long as it's something you can sustain for a lifetime! And even if it isn't, as long as you can do it to get you to the finish, then have an excellent exit strategy to a lifelong plan, yeeehaw!!! CUDOS!!! I'll be your cheerleader and your huckleberry! -
April 2022 Surgery Buddies
Rachel_Hannah replied to Crinkles's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I was on metformin at one time, but it made me violently sick and passed out several times while on it, so I'll never agree to be put on it again. It also caused an issue with my pancreas (already had an issue, but it enflamed it?) I can't do keto/low carb because I literally stop losing weight, but my diet is mostly protein/veg with a little bit of sweet potato or a couple of tbsp of quinoa or brown jasmine rice, depends on the meal. I've noticed the 2 weeks I was below 35g carbs after surgery I not only had issues with low blood sugar, but I also didn't lose any weight during that time. I was low carb for years and never lost weight, no one can really explain why since my blood work does show insulin resistance. I don't take any medicine for hashimotos. Many people with hashimotos thyroiditis get put on thyroid medicine. I was on Leothyronine (NP thyroid did not work for me, caused major weight gain), but since surgery we've done the labs 3xs and my provider said not to take it and we will re-test in 90 days unless my weight loss stops completely. Hopefully that means I won't need it at all in the future. I'm still AIP-ish in eating, which is what helps the most with hashis symptoms. Luckily, eggs don't cause a flareup and most fermented dairy doesn't either. However, milk-based products and casein does. -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
FluffyChix replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
Yes, folks. Alice is officially down the rabbit hole. (I'm presently drinking a cup of green tea + bergamot tea...) I give you: Autophatea...just sayin'. It's a thing. https://thechalkboardmag.com/6-ways-to-boost-autophagy-glow-15 https://siimland.com/macros-for-autophagy-on-different-diets-vegan-carnivore-keto-fmd/ -
February 2019 weight loss buds
Sheribear68 replied to TheMarine79's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Yup. I think the reason I gained weight is that I eat bari-keto about 95% of the time so when I do have alcohol and other carbs, it causes a ton of fluid retention. Also, I’m prone to gain weight very easily and sadly bariatric surgery won’t fix it. Oh I’ll have a new set point, but I’m thinking I’ll always have to be extremely cautious or else I’ll get metabolically screwed again. So here’s something weird: I’m was able to take every one of those pounds off by the time I’d been back 4 days (which proves it was mostly fluid retention because it’s impossible to lose 4 pounds of actual fat in 4 days) Since then I’m up,down,up,down and I’m at 144., which is 6 pounds under GW. anyway, I took my measurements yesterday and my waist is down 0.5 inches more and my lower abs are down another 0.5 inches and my hips are down almost 0.75 more inches and I’m only 2 pounds lighter than I was at this time last month. Even if every single bit of that 2 pounds was pure fat, I don’t think it could take that much inches off of my body so things are still shifting. My size 8 pants (that I really just got into in early November) are stating to bag on me. Here is an example of that. -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
FluffyChix replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
Well I am still only making it 24 hours. GRRRRR! I want to do 36 so bad but by 24 hours I just want to "feed" and "feed" and "feed". LOL. So hmmm, there is that. I'm sticking at 144.8lbs and it's not going anywhere! Gah! LOL. It feels like my body defends each new low and I will sit within a few pounds of it for weeks, then it relents and allows a new low. It's a bit crazy making. I'm trying to do a 36 again today. Then will be gone no IF for the weekend, but keto weekend planned. How are you doing? ((hugs)) -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
FluffyChix replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
You can do it! (Oh god...the summer swimsuit season...*sob*) I can't wait to watch. Will you post your experiment here? Like your menus/volume you eat? I'm still trying to hit my 140lb goal. I was back down to 142, then up to 146. Today I'm at 144lbs. And yeah, would love to be able to drop 10 by the summer. It's so very hard. I'm back to doing 10K+ steps per day. It takes me longer than 1 hour, so I'm going as far as I can and consistently getting over 3miles/day. But little to no movement. Trying to trick my body with doing diff cals each day. Now trying to hold carbs to 30 whole carbs/day again to see if I can get over 0.5 on the keto meter. I did finish eating at 7pm last night, so today I started eating at 1pm so not to push the time window. Would like to start narrowing that back towards 7pm. Having a ginormous green smoothie for first meal. I also put psyllium husk in it (10g) but don't count it cuz it makes me so mad to see the calories and carbs from it when all I'm having is 30g carbs/day. I know it does count and that I'm lying to myself...oh well. LOL. -
Intermittent Fasting Daily Menu/Results/Accountability
YeahOkay31 replied to FluffyChix's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
Aw, many thanks! But I think an 8 day binge takes away all brownie points 😋 didnt make my 48 hours. Ate after 20 and turned it into an OMAD day (redundancies...). 23 hours in today. Hopefully I make it to 36. Being a bit smarter about my BP this time around and taking 50 calories of solid non carby food with my BP pills to avoid me having to quit because of spikes. That rules out autophagy but it’s better than not fasting. The resetters always seem so complicated!! I don’t know if I have the discipline and focus for it with my schedule. But I will take a look. Btw, don’t know if this is Keto/IF related but my period stopped. I am 37 so while possible, I doubt it’s menopause. I am sure to get an earful if I bring fasting up with the obgyn. And the damage done by an 8 day binge....10 pounds😖😖😖 my body sucks. Scientifically that means I consumed 35,000 calories in 8 days (which I didn’t even come close to). Ah, the wondrously broken biochemistry of the formally obese.... -
Do you mean 800 calories? This website has a handy calculator that you can customize to figure out where you can set at: https://www.ruled.me/keto-calculator/
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February 2019 weight loss buds
EmzBee replied to TheMarine79's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Also: I've convinced hubby to try out Keto with me! Anyone want to join? I mean, we're pretty much all following some kind of LCHF/LCHP diet anyway 😂 TBH I'm kind of scared about consuming more fat, but I'm MORE scared about how quickly carbs started to creep back into my diet... so I'm going to try to eliminate them entirely. Sounds like a 'carnivore' diet can be reasonably good for head problems/depression, and I have eczema/skin issues too, that might benefit from the extra fat (I'm having particular problems around my sugar glider wings and side boobs... thanks, loose skin!) -
February 2019 weight loss buds
TheMarine79 replied to TheMarine79's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
Life is going well. I never thought I would be able to maintain as well as I have. Even to be running 5+ 3 times a week. I do Keto -
How was your 5:2 day today?
Globetrotter replied to Oregondaisy's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
This morning: 214.4. Either this keto thing is working or my body is just downright malicious with a f***ed up sense of humor :/ Broke up with my boyfriend this week. He was not reciprocating my efforts. v_v -
Mine has done this as well. He said I was doing so well on my Paleo/Whole 30 diet for the past 3 months, he didn't think I needed to do the week or two pre-op liquid diet. Just clear liquids the day before. I'm scheduled for a 5/23 date, and I have decided to do a more Keto diet for the week before the surgery just to be safe. I'm having the last of my planned "food funerals" this weekend. I had pasta with homemade pesto with 2 slices of really, really good sourdough bread last Friday night, 1 glass of Bailey's on ice last night, and this Friday I'm having homemade pimento cheese on Wonder bread with BBQ kettle chips. Weird choices, I know, but that's what I came up with when I thought about what I truly wanted to have that I may not be able to have again (or for a very long time).
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February Surgery ?
GinaFigz replied to PSquared_vsg's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Hi everyone! I'm a new member and my gastric sleeve surgery is scheduled for 2/18. I'm excited and terrified all at once! There is the physical aspect but this whole experience has been a real mind shift. I was just telling my husband that I am aware of how much of a complainer I am being. The liquid diet has been tough on me. I started keto/IF on 12/28 and was losing weight before it. Now this feels like torture but I know it's preparing me for what is to come, in two days, I will be in a whole other phase...looking forward to learning and experiencing this with you all. -
February 2019 weight loss buds
EmzBee replied to TheMarine79's topic in Gastric Bypass Surgery Forums
I guess I shouldn't call it 'liquid', but 'pre-op' instead. Over here we follow the intense level of Optifast, which does allow for 2 cups of veg and any 3 optifast products (shakes, soups, bars, desserts). First two days were hard -- mainly due to headaches in the early evenings -- but I'm on day 3 now and I think I'm over the 'keto flu' stage, thank goodness! 2.2kgs (close to 5 pounds) gone in 2 days. Gotta be happy with that! =D Hope everyone's getting excited! I think my next prep step is to start timing water consumption, taking small sips instead of chugging like I usually do. So nervous I'll muck something up by downing a glass of water too quick after surgery... -
I swear people make you feel like that though. Like why is it a judgemental thing about how you achieve weight loss? I like to be 💯. It is so draining, being phony for me, but it’s like people want some phony mess like, oh! I ONLY did keto, cardio and strength trained or I got lipo. I guess I could NEVER be an influencer, because I can’t lie and my face tells it all even when I try. But, I really do not try to judge, but I leave some conversations like, judge unto others and you would have them judge unto you…I am a bit petty so I said, F-it I am judge they ass too.
