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yeah, you need to figure out what makes sense to you! and what works best for your body and your sleeve. i feel like crap when i am in full blown ketosis (no carbs). some people swear by a keto diet, saying they feel great on it, lots of energy and very clear brain function. i am a b***h and feel sluggish and foggy. my brain needs more glucose. but thats what works FOR me. when anyone, doctor included shoves a particular eating plan at you, ( my doc recommends paleo, btw) say, "wow, that is so great you found something that makes you feel so much better. i would love to learn more about it. thanks for the info." (then smile and change the subject. lol) then, check it out. a lot of people have found they really do feel better without wheat. my husbands stepsister was talking yesterday about going wheat free yesterday. she's had stomach issues her whole adult life and just had a horrible 4 month bout of intestinal dysfunction due to overuse of antibiotics. i told her, it cant hurt to try. same for you. but, and that's a big but, you have to feel like the plan you are following makes sense for you personally. Moon, out of curiosity, when was your surgery and how much have you lost? And no, I do not have wheat issues, I just feel that none of us are qualified to go off on our own for diets when our bad judgement got us here to start with. I don't believe in using our "good judgement" because I doubt many of us have any regarding food. Just IMHO.
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wheat, carbs my dr said NO, NO!
moonlitestarbrite replied to Wenniegirl's topic in Food and Nutrition
yeah, you need to figure out what makes sense to you! and what works best for your body and your sleeve. i feel like crap when i am in full blown ketosis (no carbs). some people swear by a keto diet, saying they feel great on it, lots of energy and very clear brain function. i am a bitch and feel sluggish and foggy. my brain needs more glucose. but thats what works FOR me. when anyone, doctor included shoves a particular eating plan at you, ( my doc recommends paleo, btw) say, "wow, that is so great you found something that makes you feel so much better. i would love to learn more about it. thanks for the info." (then smile and change the subject. lol) then, check it out. a lot of people have found they really do feel better without wheat. my husbands stepsister was talking yesterday about going wheat free yesterday. she's had stomach issues her whole adult life and just had a horrible 4 month bout of intestinal dysfunction due to overuse of antibiotics. i told her, it cant hurt to try. same for you. but, and that's a big but, you have to feel like the plan you are following makes sense for you personally. -
Stall :(. Can Others Share Their Stories.
rhw94123 replied to Abigal's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I hit a stall 3 weeks after starting pre-op diet (2 weeks after surgery). I lost 9 pounds pre-op and then post-op I lost 10 more pounds in the first 2 weeks after surgery. But at 2 weeks post surgery (last week) I hit 196 and stayed there for 6-7 days till I dropped to 194 yesterday. I was a Thanksgiving houseguest during that stall week and picked (lightly, but it was still picking!) at a lot of sweet, high-calorie soft foods (pie filling, lobster ravioli, cheese & toppings off the top of a pizza). I think the carbs knocked me out of ketosis and my liver stored a bunch of glycogen all over again. I went strictly low-to-no-carb the last few days and drank a pooh-load of Water. I also picked up some Relion (Walmart) keto-stix for $6 so that I could make sure that I'm staying in light ketosis. The scale finally budged yesterday and today and I'm down 2 pounds. (I find that I am not hungry or carb-craving if I get in to light ketosis--it may not be for everyone.) I ALSO took time a couple of days ago to load all my usual post-sleeve food items into MyFitnessPal on my desktop so that I could easily keep it updated with the phone app. It's good to be able to look down and realize that some high-carb Soup that I just ate just used up a bunch of my day's calories or that I'm behind on Protein for the day [in which case I just add a scoop of unflavored Protein powder to whatever I'm having to get back on track].) I have not had any nausea and have kept things down well from the beginning, so my big focus has been to get 80 grams of protein each day to try to lose what I hope is mostly fat (and not muscle). I sometimes get troubled that others have lost so much in the first month, but I choose to tell myself that slow is okay for me and I give myself hope that I am losing less muscle this way. We'll see if I am truly out of my stall by taking these steps-- maybe I will be 194 for a week or two, who knows ?! I will try to keep you posted. I send you support and a stalls-are-a-bummer hand squeeze! P.S. - I know the popular wisdom is to not weigh every day, but I am in the process of educating myself about how my food choices affect me, so I am going to keep weighing every day for a while (just a personal preference !). -
I'm there with you (day 6); I thought it was my diabetes but then I read about what's called Keto Flu or Carb flu--it's exactly what I've been experiencing. I've felt like death warmed over and last night I thought there is no way I can keep this up. Today is a better day--not as good as normal but able to function. Good luck on your surgery! Lisa
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Some odd symptoms..anyone else have this?
Justinh125 posted a topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
So I've noticed that sometimes it feels like there's pins and needles in my hands and throughout my skin...almost like there's bugs crawling in there. Obviously it's not a full-blown hallucination or anything like that...I know it's just a strange feeling. Thus far, it doesn't seem to correlate to blood glucose...my blood sugar is very consistently right around 100mg/dl (exactly where it is healthy) Additionally, it sometimes happens when I've eaten, and sometimes not...doesn't seem to matter. Time of day doesn't seem to matter. It just comes and goes. The only thing it seems to be consistently correlated with is byproducts of ketogenesis in my urine. I buy those "keto-sticks" and whenever I feel the "pin-prick" feeling, I also notice those sticks turn dark purple quickly. I know that means my body is in a ketogenic state, and that's not inherently bad...it's burning fat for fuel. But I have this lingering feeling that it might be a sign of something wrong....Does anyone else ever get the "skin bugs" and what did you do about it? -
Thinking of increasing caloroes. Good idea? Bad idea?
Justinh125 replied to gamergirl's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I should also point out that before surgery, I was averaging between 3000-5000 calories a day, and wasn't gaining or losing weight at that amount. So for me, even 1200 is a profound reduction and I figure if it takes me 3000 to maintain (at my previously higher weight,) 1200 is probably still low enough to lose. I've found the post-bariatric diet to induce ketogenesis fairly constantly. I've confirmed it with those Keto-sticks you can get at the pharmacy. Given the way the reagent strips react, I figure my body must certainly be breaking down fatty-acids for fuel. Maybe you get some of those and see if you are in a ketogenic state. -
Thinking of increasing caloroes. Good idea? Bad idea?
Justinh125 replied to gamergirl's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I should also point out that before surgery, I was averaging between 3000-5000 calories a day, and wasn't gaining or losing weight at that amount. So for me, even 1200 is a profound reduction and I figure if it takes me 3000 to maintain (at my previously higher weight,) 1200 is probably still low enough to lose. I've found the post-bariatric diet to induce ketogenesis fairly constantly. I've confirmed it with those Keto-sticks you can get at the pharmacy. Given the way the reagent strips react, I figure my body must certainly be breaking down fatty-acids for fuel. Maybe you get some of those and see if you are in a ketogenic state. -
I felt guilty when I ate watermelon, honeydew, and raisins. I personally am of the viewpoint of counting calories and working from there. But if you'd like to do Keto, go for it. It's just a very hard transition in. Have a lot of chicken Soup stocked and keep it salty.
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The diet your husband is following sounds like the ketogenic diet (high fat, moderate Protein, very low carb). It's not necessarily Atkins, though the difference is slim. I'm a little surprised that he thinks he can't have more than 10g carbs/day, as the general rule is no more than 25, though many people maintain a ketogenic state up to 50 or even 100g carbs/day. You're either in ketosis or you're not, no matter if you're eating 10 or 25 carbs. I was on a ketogenic diet for 16 months prior to surgery. The health benefits are absolutely amazing, which is why I stuck with it despite not losing any weight at all for the last year. Men seem to have better consistent success with it, but it does seem to work well for a lot of people. Even though I wasn't losing weight, my cholesterol went from way whacky to textbook perfect, my acne disappeared, my "IBS" disappeared, inflammation disappeared, etc. I plan on going right back on keto after I'm able to eat solid foods again. Anywho, that aside, can you ask him to back off? Eating such a low carb diet is hard for a lot of people, and despite the health benefits it's simply not practical for a lot of people. It requires a lot of research and dedication and it's a diet that a person has to choose to follow. If someone is forced into it, they'll be miserable and hate it. Plenty of people have lost weight and maintained that loss eating a higher carb diet. Nutrition is not one size fits all, not by any means. Everyone has to find their own way in terms of a diet that is sustainable for a lifetime.
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What to do about the ketosis "pooh pooh" breath?
Heather Meyer posted a topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Okay..confession! I brush my teeth twice a day and use mouthwash and i chew gum a lot...and yet my poor hubby has been complaining that my breath smells....GROSE! No matter what i do..ever since the second day of this pre op diet.. i have had the nastiest taste in my mouth and my breath smells like i was a dog in my past life... So how do you deal with this Keto breath? Any thoughts on what to try? Short of chewing gum till my jaw hurts. -
Who lost weight NO Carbs and who lost weight with out cutting out a ton of carbs?
supbanana replied to joliem6201's topic in Food and Nutrition
I've been on a ketogenic diet (high fat, moderate Protein, low carb) diet for the last sixteen months and my health dramatically improved, including my cholesterol. I sincerely feel like anyone considering wls should go on this type of diet for at least a month and see if they get results from it before resorting to surgery. I fully plan on continuing with keto now that I've been sleeved. I feel like the two together will be the perfect match for my own personal weight loss goals. It's not a very well understood diet and therefore gets a lot of criticism, but I do feel the majority of people would benefit from lower carb diets. I've actually often thought that post-op diets are more or less low carb and have wondered if the low carb itself has lent more towards weight loss than the actual surgery for some people. -
So, saying that the way these folks are living and eating will lead them to failure? My diet, during the most weight I've lost phase wasn't on point at all. I ate whatever I wanted when I was reintroduced to solid foods. I've had ice cream, candy, etc in very small portions and have lost 115 pounds in October, 90 of that since Feb when I had my surgery. I do think commenting on how other people work their sleeve and saying they'll fail is a bit over board. Just like now, I cyclical keto diet, meaning I have 12 days of minimal carbs, and then 36 hours of 2 days I eat high GI carbs, which 90% of you on here would freak out and say I'm going to fail. I do what works for me, and that's all anyone can and should do. There's no cookie cutter program. I think over analyzing the diet aspect and freaking out over macro's leads to eventual failure, especially as a larger person who has struggled with weight loss all of their lives. The way I see if, there are 2 boats, both going to the same place. One is the strict, I only eat wholesome healthy foods, and the other is the I don't want to "diet" my entire life and I'm going to still enjoy food but on a much smaller scale. Now, every once in a while, some do jump over board and swim back to the shore which can and has lead to failure, sure it happens, but not everyone who enjoys food from time to time is going to fail on this journey. Many people had dealt with judgement their entire lives. And someone who's been sleeved coming in saying "I'm concerned" is the same as judgement to them, regardless of how you saw it or what you were trying to do. It could have gone either way. You could have been more sensitive to their diet and feelings, or they could have just understood that you're concerned for their general health and only want what's best for them, and they should know what works for them and let it slide. I know what I eat isn't always the cleanest most best thing for me out there, but no major stalls, bodyfat% has dropped every month (not BMI, but DEXA scanned), and each week when I step on the scale I see a lower number.
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I follow a cyclical keto diet and have had great luck with it again after surgery. I've used it quite a bit to prepare for powerlifting meets and such and started using it again, have had good luck so far.
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Hi guys, I ran a search but not much popped up. I've been on a ketogenic diet (high fat, moderate Protein, very low carb - basically the induction to Atkins except you keep it up forever) for the last 15 months. I know it's not a very well-understood diet and gets a lot of flak, but it's been great for me. I'm healthier than I've ever been and I adore this style of eating so much. The only problem is I hit a wall hard in the weight-loss department, hence the surgery. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience eating this way post-op? I know low-fat gets pushed a lot in surgeon-recommended diets, but I'm not sure if that's because low-fat is part of the government's idea of a healthy diet, or if there's an actual physical purpose? I think some people have mentioned fatty foods made them sick, but are they talking about doughnuts, or ribeye? If it's not possible then I'll accept it and just stay as low carb as possible, but I would really like to stick with keto after surgery if possible and am looking for reasons it might not be a good idea.
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June surgery dates
nursesettie replied to DenaLJ1354's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I have been feeling like a stall. Tomorrow will be 4 weeks out. I am down 24 lbs post surgery and 38 total. I lost 19 lbs the first week and then 2.5 lbs for week two and three and nothing this week. My husband keeps telling me that I look like I lost much more. All my clothes are falling off. I will weight myself on the 10th, it will be one month out. I decided after the first month that I will weigh once a week on Saturday's. I am happy that I am smaller and feel slightly better. I think I have been having the keto flu. Still not up to my old self. Thanks for all the help along the way. -
How many vets are actually AT goal and staying there?
M2G replied to clk's topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
Georgia...you know I'm not 100% sure. I know they want people to call in and make appts when they are experiencing regain. I sort of lost touch with my every 3 month appt approach after I hit about 18 months post-op, so I have resumed seeing the NUT every 3 months starting in Jan of this year...(which is good but isn't making the regain magically disappear.) They also have a structured diet (ketogenic diet??? thinking Medifast-ish) that you use to replace food for a while. You don't just get to say "oh I'm sick of it, I'm OFF" so I think they slowly wean you off the diet and back to real food. Beyond that I'm not sure. I've thought about the keto diet but haven't jumped in because I honestly think it will be hard to mesh eating "my food" with feeding my family etc. So not sure, but I know he speaks about the "After 2 Year Gain" in his seminar and how part of his practice is focusing on eliminating that. I think most people tend to slink away when there is a gain and that is when you NEED him (surgeon) the most. Just like people slink away from here with a regain. Sigh... -
This ketosis breath is going to kill someone!
Vixynne replied to LipstickLady's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Here's some info I found online, LipstickLady. The first section is about ketosis breath (or "keto-breath"), and the second part points out that an abundance of Protein causes ammonia-scented breath. Not much we can do about protein, since we HAVE to have 60-80g a day, but thought it was interesting! The good news is that keto-breath usually doesn't last forever. Most people find it dies down after a few weeks, or at the most a few months. The reason is unclear, but it seems our bodies adapt in some way. Children on a ketogenic diet for epilepsy have been shown to have less acetone in their breath as time goes on, for example. In the meantime, there are things you can do to minimize the impact of "keto-breath": Drink more water: try 8 glasses per day to see if this helps, and then you can experiment from that point. Natural breath fresheners to try include mint, parsley or other greens, cloves, cinnamon, and fennel seeds. Some people swear by breath capsules, which are usually made from parsley oil (e.g. Mint Assure) for keto-breath. Others find they do not help. sugar-free mints or gum can be tried, but watch the carbs in them. When the body metabolizes protein, ammonia is produced. When people eat high-protein meals, there tends to be increased ammonia in their breath and/or urine. In large amounts, this can smell pretty bad. It's important to remember that we don't need lots and lots of protein in our diets. Our bodies use protein to maintain and build muscles, to make enzymes, and for other structural and chemical needs. The body will convert excess protein to energy, which is where you will get the extra ammonia (this also happens during starvation or long exercise when the body begins to rely on breaking down muscles for energy if it runs out of sources of fats and/or carbohydrates).Sometimes people load up on protein because they are afraid to eat more fat. This is one of the reasons why it is rarely a good idea to try to eat a diet that is low in both carbohydrates and fats. The solution to "ammonia breath" for people on a low-carb diet is often to increase fats in the diet, and cut back some on protein foods. http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Is-Your-Low-Carb-Diet-Giving-You-Bad-Breath.htm -
I'm not the guy to ask lol. I have never watch the amount of fat I eat. I figured if my Protein, carbs, Fiber and daily calories where met, combined with how little I was eating, that the amount of fat would be at an acceptable level. I have been on somewhat of a keto diet for the last couple months. I figured with so much carb restriction its ok to up the fats a little. I would estimate my fat intake to be below 30g per day which is still more than half whats recommended on a regular diet for a guy. I can't stand the taste of fat free or low fat items. I choose top sirloin and chicken breast, both pretty lean, as my main protein choice along with whey isolate. I eat at least 1 big bowl of salad a day and add 2 table spoons of dressing. A decent amount of my daily fat intake comes from the salad dressings I use. They are not low carb or fat free but they do have relatively low calories compared to most. A whopping 8g of fat though per tablespoon. I use anywhere from 2-4 daily depending on how much salad I eat. I use a powdered creamer for my coffee. It has only 1g of fat per heaping tablespoon. I also have a small collection of torani syrups I use to change the flavor in my coffee up a little... also add it to greek yogurt. If your staying below your daily macro requirements I dont see any harm in adding a fresh full fat creamer, although I assume that's a lot of added calories for just a little fresh cream that can easily be substituted with some powdered creamer. If you can stand the taste of the low fat products by all means... I stay away because I hate the aftertaste and can still maintain my macros while eating full fat foods. A paleo diet sounds awesome, although I dont like the no grains or dairy most paleo diets restrict. I think the less processed the better. I eat regular meat but my chicken breast and all veggies are organic.
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Dreamfields Pasta?
Keepgoing247 replied to labellaskorpio's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I have used Dreamfields for at least 3 years now. My diabetic mother in law also uses it. She test her blood sugar after eating (as she always does) and she does NOT have a spike in blood sugar like when she eats regular Pasta. I used to test with Keto strips and would eat the Dreamfields on my low carb diet. I never went out of ketosis from the Dreamfields. So, my conclusion is it may not work for everybody but it works for my mother in law and for me. Your mileage may vary... -
6 Months Down, Stalled for A Month of That. Here's some encouraging pics!
NerdyMHC replied to NerdyMHC's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Hi Jessica! Great job with your weight loss! I think carbs might have a little to do with my stall. I also think that my working out has something to do with it, oddly enough. We have a new gym in town that does some pretty intense workouts and I go Mon, Weds, and Fri. I can't help but wonder if this sudden change in workout might be causing a little bit of the stall, as well as maybe building muscle. I am going to try the Keto diet to limit my carbs and hope that that, combined with my inability to eat a lot and working out break my stall! Good luck to you on breaking yours! -
A small suggestion regarding ~~Water~~
TES replied to Patienlywtng on my Curves's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
ketosis! aka "keto breath." Hopefully means you are seeing the scale move! -
I'm so glad this thread was made. My family and I are huge backpackers and hikers/mountain biking folks. On a weekend we usually ride 25-30 miles of singletrack trails, and take frequent biking/camping trips. We're planning a 3 day hiking trip in September when its not 1000 degrees in Texas. We did the same trip last year in July, hot as hell and wasn't as fun because of the heat. In May we're celebrating our 4 year anniversary and my wife has planned a camping trip for the two of us. No hike in, but a primitive site with plenty of hiking opportunities throughout the area for day hikes. When I was carb cycling in the past to get ready for meets, I loved the carb conscious Supreme Protein bars. 30g protein per bar, 6g NET carbs, and 4g sugar. the do have sugar alcohols so depending on how your body handles them, be forewarned. They never knocked me out of keto in the past, and never gave me the runs unless I ate 4 of them. Like Fiddleman said, Water water water, moreso than ever before. We bought a filtration system so we can collect water from any source. They really do work nicely unless the water is just way too muddy, you'd need a good filter then. It makes it a little more challenging with water sources in places, but I think it's more rugged living off the land. We take camping pans with us, cook up eggs and sausage/bacon by campfire when we go on 2-3 day hikes, no carbs, good source of protein to get the day started. Also carry cheese and pepperoni with me, love it. Also, electrolyte water like Vitamin water, Gatorade G2, or just electrolyte tabs to put in to your water. You can find a lot of low carb electrolyte supplements on runners websites since they're huge on that stuff. As for the when, my doc told me 6 weeks at first, then released me at 4.5 weeks. But after he saw a video of a few trails we maintain and ride frequently, he told me no crazy off road biking until 6 weeks just to be safe.
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Yeah getting that water is hard, kind of like a full time job! But I will help! The reason I asked about the all protein thing. Was because people that eat a very high protein diet with very little carbs will fall into ketosis. Atkins like diets can cause "keto-breath," its caused when excess ketones in the bloodstream. one chemical component of ketones, the odor is accompanied by a foul taste in the mouth. When the body is in ketosis, urine may also take on a peculiar smell. The body's capacity to store glucose is limited, so when its reserve has been exhausted by fasting, skipping meals or strenuous exercise, it switches into ketosis mode even when you aren't following a ketogenic diet. The presence of ketones in sweat may give it an acrid, ammonia-like odor. Upping your carbs a little bit might help.
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No insulin from pump for 12 hours. WTH!
JustSayMoe replied to JustSayMoe's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
The problem is when you are type 1 on a pump and you disconnect your body gets zero insulin. You can get very sick in a very short amount of time with zero insulin. People have gone into comas and died from DKA (diabetic keto acidosis) . I had it once and spent three days in ICU. -
Pro-op diet crankiness! Cranky when hungry...
JennCH replied to starfish108's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I'm glad to know that I am not the only one having the "pre-op" crankiness. I think some of it for me isn't so much the hunger, but the ketosis. I was feeling light headed and shaky and went and got some diabetic keto sticks. Yup...was moderately ketotic. Gotta talk to the nutrish on Monday because I work in a job where I can't be shaky or light headed. Jenn
