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Lap Band to Gastric Sleeve Revision Surgery 6/24/2015
Seattle51 posted a topic in Revision Weight Loss Surgery Forums (NEW!)
Greetings Gastric Sleevers! My name is Jay. I am 45 years old and I have been Morbidly Obese my entire Life. Here is my story. I had a Work Physical in December 2006. When I stepped on the scale I weighed 326lbs. That was the most Obese I had ever been, and enough was enough. I had had it. I needed to do something drastic to stop the weight gain. I decided to have a Lab Band. At the time I didnt want to have any physical changes to my body, and people were having very good weight loss success on the Band. In February of 2007, I had my surgery. From February 2007 to September 2007 the band worked great!!! I weighed in at 207lbs. I was extremely happy!!! But sometime in September the tubing to the band developed a kink and then the tubing cracked and the band was worthless. March of 2008 I underwent my second surgery, this time it was a port and tubing replacement. Everything seemed fine until I went in for my first fill. When they tried to fill the band they werent able to. The tubing was kinked again!!! Are you F'ing kidding me? I had enough and was just going to do my best on what the surgeon had put in the band ( I think it was 9cc's). It wasnt enough, I started to gradually put on weight. In 2012 I had enough again. I went in to have the band filled under X-Ray Fluroscopy. For whatever reason the band took in 15 cc's The band I had was only supposed to hold 12. Needless to say the band was closed off, and I couldnt eat or drink anything. Two days later I had emergency surgery to release the band. The surgery went well, but the Surgeon didnt replace the band. When I went in for a fill they put in the Max CC's of 12. Guess what? No restriction. Yup in was stretched out so much it was ineffective again! I had had enough with the Lap Band, it was nothing but a big giant headache for me. I decided to have a Gastric Sleeve in 2015. I had my surgery on June 24th 2015. The day of the surgery I weighed in at 275lbs. Today is September 11th and I am down to 240lbs. I am very happy with my Sleeve, but the adjustment to the new diet was very hard for me. I am doing 3 Protein shakes a day and I added 1 KETO OS drink a day to my diet. It has made a huge difference. My energy levels are through the roof and I feel absolutely Fantastic!!! The weight is coming off twice as fast for me ( from 2 pounds a week to 4) I took the time to research this product and it is the best decision I have made in a long time. Check it out for yourself: http://C7W6R4.pruvitnow.com -
Will it really work for me?
OutsideMatchInside replied to micnic1027's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
This is a concern I had/have. I have been a low carber/keto off and on for about 14 years. I lose weight but I get to a certain point, stall out and never lose more. I worry/worried that low carbing with just a smaller stomach wouldn't produce better results. Now that I am post op I can see how a vastly smaller stomach will help me long term. Even low carbing and eating keto, you can over eat, and take in too many calories. Most Ketoers don't count calories just carbs. It makes it too easy to over eat. My sleeve is a tool to help me always keep my portions in control. I am going to have to track what I eat for the rest of my life, and be very aware of what I am eating. I think my sleeve is a tool that will help me do all of that easier and not feel hungry or deprived. There is no reason to stop doing keto now, like in the past, when I had issues with being full or feeling constantly deprived. Feeling almost stuffed off a few ounces of food is a luxury you won't understand until you feel it. -
Binging before surgery
OutsideMatchInside replied to Melbournegirl's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I did not have to lose weight for surgery. I knew I was going to have a long liquid diet. I had all the food funerals I wanted. I am really glad that I did, because now when I have a craving, I can say to myself, " you had plenty of that", and remember when I did. It has made things a lot easier post-op. Especially when the time since I had anything to chew on seemed further away I don't know how people for 6 months of dieting, then a liquid diet, then post-op. One thing that I know now that I was sure about before surgery is that I can eat, fairly normally (for me I was already a lowcarb/keto person, I just fell off the wagon a lot), just in small portions. I do not feel deprived at all. Those food funerals were not really needed but I am still really glad I had them, because they helped me get through some dark days. -
I appreciate what you guys are saying, and this is going to sound funny coming from me, since I am a marriage and family therapist as well as a pyschology professor, but the tension/hyperness I've been feeling is not emotional, it's physical. I think it might be a by product of being in ketosis, because it started right after the diet got suddenly easier on day 3. Also, I have a diabetic kid, and I was curious if I was passing ketones, so I used some keto strips and sure enough when the pee strip was reading more ketones, I was having both the easiest time on the diet, and having the weird tension/hyperness. It's not really bad. It's totally physical, and I was wondering if anyone else was getting this. Just sorta curious. Now as far as emotions go, I was so anxious and terrified before, but I haven't been at all in the last week. Just trying to get things together at work, so I could have the time off, and also really looking forward to it. Previously, I was so nervous, I wasn't experiencing the hope and happy anticipation much. Now I am. I feel like this week on the diet is actually easier than last week, worrying about the diet. LOL
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Looking for other newbie friends!
Mandynette replied to Mandynette's topic in Tell Your Weight Loss Surgery Story
You have a date! That's exciting! Not going to lie- the two week liquid diet is hard, especially the first few days. But after day 2 or 3, I got in a zone. I journal, and I think that helped me the most. Before my two week shake diet, I had to do 2 months of a keto diet. I think that was harder because I was still allowed to eat! Taking the option away was easier for me at least. I did have a "last meal" before the two weeks of just shakes. I sure didn't tell my surgeon that though! ???? You are so close! My fiancé and I were just saying, the whole pre-op process was so stressful and at times, nerve wracking. But it has been much less stressful in the past week for sure and for that, we are thankful! I haven't had complications thus far and hoping to stay that way. Has your doctor required anything else besides the two week diet? Is it a liquid diet? -
How was your 5:2 day today?
Globetrotter replied to Oregondaisy's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
This morning: 214.4. Either this keto thing is working or my body is just downright malicious with a f***ed up sense of humor :/ Broke up with my boyfriend this week. He was not reciprocating my efforts. v_v -
How was your 5:2 day today?
Globetrotter replied to Oregondaisy's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Yep let it all hang out cowgirl, it's what we're here for My garlic mayo is just straight off Google - one egg yolk, a pinch of salt and pepper, a tsp of dijon, just enought water to thin it to your desired consistency, and a whole lot of the oil of your choice. I happened to have a garlic olive oil so I used that. The trick is to drizzle the oil in the finest thread and continuously, while whisking steadily without stopping. I have no idea how much fat I should be taking in on a keto diet but for the three days I have been doing this I have been at about 40+g and my carbs are in the 20s and my protein is between 70-90. -
Well I do believe that the keto means that it will send you into ketosis - the optimal state for burning fat. I know that when I did strict old school Atkins induction (1972 Atkins - which is essentially carbs at zero) I drop weight like crazy. Of course the first 10 lbs is always the burning up of glycogen stores, and the water they require. It is a difficult state to stay in for me - I managed it pre-op for two weeks (my surgeon has his patients do Atkins for liver shrinking, no liquid diets or anything like that. I lost about 14 lbs in those two weeks. The nutritionists at my surgeons office always say there are NO essential carbohydrates - our bodies will make what it needs from other macros. Interesting that the calculator says if yo have too much protein it can send you out of ketosis - probably not an issue if you don't have a lot of excess adipose tissue to burn. I just think it might be interesting to try it and see how I fare - I know that this type of eating helps squash my sugar demons pretty effectively and I like the types of food - I have never tried to up the fat so much though, it has always been so protein focused, if the calories stay around 1200 it should be interesting to see how the scale responds and how I feel. I struggle with pretty severe eczema and allergies - getting the sugar and processed stuff down should hopefully help those issues.
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Indeed you look fabulous! I love your hair - you look stunning I created a new little document to track my measurements over time - I had been entering it in a small paper journal, but have run out of room. I added a column for notes/behaviors/activity - of course the topics I usually avoid when I have fallen way to the wayside of the healthy track. Thanks for that link Kim - I am going to try the keto thing - (this honestly sounds way more fun than Whole 30 lol - my family would NOT be on board with something that austere) but meat, eggs, cheese - those are things we will all eat. I am about 197 (cringe) right now and here is what that calculator gave me for macros at a 30% deficit - which they say can be hard, but I can always adjust it down. Also set it to sedentary - I know myself and I slack on the exercise as much as I do water - so anything over sedentary is a bonus. Daily Calories 1256 20 g. carbs 90 g. protein 91 g. fat It says to maintain - my cals would be 1794 - which is right in there with what the machine at my surgeons office says, which had me at 1800 something - though I think my lean body mass was higher - this regain is astonishing in how "flabbaliscious" all the extra fat is - its like I have a new outfit filled with jello or something Hope you guys are doing well and hanging in there - love ya!
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1.5 years out, only 40% loss, Devastated
OutsideMatchInside replied to Disabledaccount's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Yes supposedly too much will, but I am not sure how much because it never has for me in years of doing keto off and on.I think you have to be just consuming way too many calories period. I don't think that people can consume the fats after WLS in the way that normal people can. I just see a lot of people saying they aren't losing (not just in this thread) and their carbs are high, high in a way that can't be coming from veggies and that is about the only place you should be getting carbs from, veggies. The meal plans they suggest after surgery are not keto, not really. I went to my nutrition class yesterday and they said toast at 6 weeks. They also have people on grits and cream of wheat etc 2-3 weeks out. I know for a fact I can't lose eating carbs like that, even in tiny amounts. I was just reading about the ketosis diet, and they say too much protein can kick you out of ketosis... make up the difference with fat. -
I think I might try the keto a bit - I have never upped the fat that much, sounds like an interesting concept. I checked out that thread about regain on the vets forum and this link - interesting stuff - Coops, it's interesting that a shot of olive oil could possibly shake things up a bit http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/
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How was your 5:2 day today?
Globetrotter replied to Oregondaisy's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
http://www.ruled.me/guide-keto-diet/ Holy crap, according to the rules of the keto diet, I should be taking in ONE HUNDRED grams of protein, TWENTY grams of carbs and 1100 calories!!!! per day!!!!!! Good god I have never done that low of carbs, EVER, not even post-op ... is that why I have been such a slow loser? The lowest I've done is 30-35g... -
I don't understand how I gain weight now?
SAD HATTER replied to akreese02's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
When you eat keto (basically high protein, good fats, no carb) your body enters ketosis. Eating carbs will stop ketosis. Your body will retain water again until you re-enter ketosis. That can take a week. One cheat can stall you a week or cause water gain. If you plan a cheat, ditch the scale. For at least 2 weeks. -
A quick google search will tell you everything you need to know about this type of diet. It's very similar to what most bariatric surgeons recommend after surgery. Atkins is considered a keto diet. It doesn't automatically equal high fat. The basics of it are meat, dairy and vegetables.
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I did keto before too but this is like extreme restriction, lol. I think it's just knowing that I can't eat that's the hard part. 2-6 pm is my tough time. The kids are home from school, they want a snack, then I have to get dinner ready. I'm gonna serve my family and then find something to do. Im hoping each day gets easier.
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Will we have to low carb for ever?
drmeow replied to ladivaluz806's topic in Post-op Diets and Questions
Actually if you are completely keto-adapted you have no need of carbs. Reference the Inuits who eat nothing but protein and fat year-round (in their native environment before McDonalds marched in probably) - there was even a doctor who lived with them 11 years eating what they ate and was completely normal. You mention protein to repair the muscles - yes, protein is needed, and fat is needed for fuel. There is no need for glucose if you consume adequate fat. http://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Performance/dp/0983490716/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1434031729&sr=8-2&keywords=phinney+and+volek The authors of the above book say "low carb" rather than "no carb" b/c in our world, realistically we aren't going to avoid every single carb. If you avoid ALL processed foods, and potatoes, corn and peas, you can probably eat most of the other fruit and vegetable carbs on a limited basis. However, I suspect the OP is actually just having the typical 3 week post-op stall. She doesn't say when her surgery was, but the amount of weight loss makes me suspect that. Also if she is fairly early post-op and eating even small amounts of crackers and bread, she's probably not getting all her protein in. -
STALLS: Your body or your eating?
Rovobay replied to RaginCajun's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Interesting... gotta go google a keto-stick. hope you find some good info. -
Hi Sleevers- We see many posts regarding weight loss stalls here. I am curious to know if most of you who have experienced or are experiencing a stall, believe that this is just a response of your body or do you believe it relates to changes in the food you are eating. Having been on the Atkins diet for many occasions in my life, and having loved it, the best part of the diet was to use Keto-sticks as a measurement device each day to know if your body is in a state of ketosis, which means you should be losing weight. Since the primary diet for weight loss surgery patients is essentially the same Atkins diet (high-protein, low-carb) our experience should be very similar to being on the core Atkins diet. My question to those of you who have problems with weight loss stalls, is if you are using the Keto-sticks to prove that your body is still in a state of ketosis. Alternatively, do the Keto-sticks show that your body is not in a state of ketosis? My interest is to find out if those of you experiencing weight-loss stalls, is your body still in ketosis, and the weight loss has paused? Or, is the situation that your carb count has risen, and your body is not in ketosis, and that perhaps is the reason for the stall? If you have experienced a weight-loss stall, and have been using the Keto-sticks, please respond here and let us know the situation. Is it your body, or is it what you're eating? -RC-
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Oh...yeah the fat is kinda "out". Not a good idea. I googled the Keto diet, and while you will go through ketosis (drink lots of Water to help your liver!!) you don't eat the fat. Once you are out a ways, you can add some fat to your diet though. I will use a little real butter, or I use real mayo in my chicken salad. Stuff like that. I don't do fat free anymore.
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Is anyone familiar with the Keto diet? Is it good or bad for bariatric sleeve surgery?
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Feel like my surgery "expired" at 1 year
mwrarr replied to Success2013's topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
Mine expired around 6 months. I maintain around my current weight, with very little thought, ever since then. I'm happy to be 90# smaller, but I still technically have 85# to go. I've tried rebooting, starving, calorie zig-zagging, carb loading, Keto diet, and I also workout 6-7 days a week (10-ish workouts/week), but to no avail. I've just given up & accepted that this is what I am. -
I'm new here, too, and haven't seen my nutritionist yet, either, but he suggested, preop, I go low carb high protein. A ketogenic diet. He also said I could use Atkins, but he thinks thats dangerous long term and that keto is more sustainable and closer to how I'll have to eat afterwards, anyway. I wish I could help you more.
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Atkins Diet and Smelling
Alora VSG Begonia replied to DroppinLikeItsHot's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Making sure you get enough water and magnesium helps with keto stink. Epsom salt baths or foot soaks are a relaxing way to get extra magnesium in. -
Destined to re-gain weight after band removal?
amill112 replied to amill112's topic in LAP-BAND Surgery Forums
I am so glad to hear that the band has helped so much in your journeys! To be honest, I don't know how much Fluid I have in my band at this point, though I don't think it's too much. The doctor I saw today pretty much told me that he will no longer perform lap-band surgery due to the failure rate. I just have a difficult time understanding/believing that completely emptying the band/having it removed will make me regain 140+ lbs, when I lost nearly 50 by lifestyle changes. I eat calorie-dense foods that are high in fat. I'm pretty sure I ate many more calories when doing a less restrictive low carb diet and still lost before hitting a pleateau around between 160-170. I wouldn't be surprised if I ate 1600+ calories at that time while losing and maintaining. Mind you, I was likely averaging that many calories with the band, not without. I learned that what you fuel your body with is more important that calories in/calories out. Low carb/keto just works for me and has helped in so many ways. I currently average 1200 calories daily and have been slowly/steadily losing at that amount. I tend not to over eat a lot, though I have my days sometimes. The reason for the current calorie restriction is so I can lose those last stubborn 5-10 pounds. I don't know if many banders track their calories, though I know when I was first banded, I was lucky if I even ate 800 calories daily. How many calories do you all average daily? Do any of you keep track? This is why I am having a hard time understanding how just the act of removing the band will cause my body to go crazy, cause me to go back to my old eating habits, and regain it all back. This is essentially what my doctor told me would happen, though I eat a lot more than I did when I was first banded and have lost and maintained since.
