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Healthy Eating on a budget
OutsideMatchInside replied to Krisbell's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
What do you like to eat and not eat and what is your meal prep time like? If you could afford Hello Fresh then you should easily be able to afford regular groceries. Those delivery services are expensive. I'm single so I just cook for me, but I keep my food costs low by keeping my diet simple and clean. I don't make recipes. They require a lot of ingredients for the most part and few things that I am ever going to finish as a single person. I eat a cut of meat and veggies. i cook my meat either pan fried, baked or grilled. I eat various cuts of steaks, pork and fish. I create variety in the method of preparation and the spices. The one thing I do splurge on is spices and spice blends. I purchase spices at https://www.penzeys.com/ they have a lot of sugar free and salt free spice blends. I also like https://flavorgod.com/ spices. They are very large containers that last a long time. I order the packs and leave the unopened ones in the fridge to keep them fresh. I see people complaining a lot in my keto groups about the cost of keto, but it is only expensive if you are making a bunch of recipes and buying lost of specialty items. Eating clean is very cheap. I do make recipes every now and then, but even with that I buy one container of coconut flour a year from Sam's club, and 2 bags of almond meal a year from Trader Joe's. -
Protein and my sleeve's precious little space
vamping replied to TheRealSergio's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
@TheRealSergio I felt pretty overwhelmed by the idea of being dependent on drinks/powders and not having room for anything but protein when I was your stage post-op. I'm currently 8 months out. I assure you it got easier once I was released to full foods and was able to experiment more. My husband is diabetic and decided to clean up his eating to accomodate my dietary needs as well. We've had to figure out the best ways to make the main portion of our dishes as high in protein as possible, and that has meant experimenting with spices, rubs, etc. It has been fun. I regularly hit keto, paleo, and bariatric foodie sites and message boards to explore my options. I do eat vegetables, just not very large portions, but try to combine them with a protein rich item. I don't eat bread by choice as I am one of the unfortunate sleevers who has dumping syndrome. I don't miss it and even at 8 months out, I am amazed at what I don't miss and how much my tastes have changed. There are days that I don't meet my protein goal, but I just try to do better then next day. I have had a ready to drink shake here and there while traveling as it was the most convenient and healthier option at the convenience store. Congratulations on your weight loss. I hope you'll be able to find something that works for you. Best wishes to you. -
Has Anyone Kept Their Surgery A Secret?
biginjapan replied to Dtrain84's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
I'm 3 months out from surgery and the only person I told was a friend I used to work with who lives in another country (I felt somebody should just in case something went wrong). She's been very encouraging, but then again, she's lives (and I used to live there too) in a country where being even slightly overweight is seen as a failure. My family doesn't know, and none of my friends or co-workers know. However, I have lost over 60 pounds, and it's very noticeable (to them at least - what I see in the mirror is a different story), so I get a lot of questions. But I have been consistent with my story throughout - no carbs (bread, pasta, rice, etc.), no added sugar, no alcohol, no dairy (except cheese). High protein, low carb, don't worry about fat - even though I'm not specifically doing keto, my daily macros are pretty close to what a keto diet should look like (except that I'm usually higher in protein than fat). I explain (if I need to) that when the body stops getting carbs from food sources, it forces it to go to it's own fat (glucose) stores for energy. And I have a huge pantry (belly, thighs, and butt) full of glucose!! I don't feel that this is a lie. It is what is happening to my body. I lost a pound a day while I was pre-op doing this kind of diet, while post-op it's been more like a pound every 2.5 days. Surgery is a tool, but you have to know what kind of tool it is and how it works. Basically I see the surgery as a body reset - it gives my body a real opportunity to lose weight, without all the handicaps that obese people face (low metabolism (and metabolic set-point, in which your body will fight against your weight loss efforts so that you end up gaining more weight that before you started), food addiction, insulin-/leptin-resistance, etc) that most regular-sized people have never experienced. But I still have to do the work (eat right, exercise), and I will for the rest of my life, or that reset will have been for nothing. Now, if someone I know is struggling with their own weight and they asked me about WLS, I would be honest with them, but of all the people I know, only one or two people fit that bill. For the rest, it really is none of their business (and, like many others here, I'm a private person so would not share intimate details of any surgery with just anyone). -
Dr. Duc Vuong on exercising
OutsideMatchInside replied to hermione53's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
@hermione53 I lost all my weight with walking for the most part for the first 9 months. I added in Yoga, I did CrossFit for a little while (really just to meet men), and I do weights at home. I found I can't do a lot of really vigorous exercise because I can't eat enough calories to support it, plus it stresses my body out and I cling to weight (everyone is different so you have to do what works for you). Walking 2-5 miles a day is enough to lose weight. Anything that is really going to make you sweat or burn a lot of calories before 6 months is pretty dicey imo. Just because you can't drink water fast enough to replace it and you are still healing and it is hard to get enough calories in to support an increased calorie deficit cause by exercise beyond the deficit you are already running because of decreased intake. If you want to do something intense I think you should wait until you can consume at least 1200 calories a day and drink water at a pretty decent pace. That is going to vary for everyone. Dr Matthew Weiner is a bariatric Dr I respect. One things he talks about is working out and injuring yourself, you end up back tracking. So instead of having your normal level of activity, now you are hurt so not only are you not exercising, you also are not doing your normal level of activity just moving around the house or the office. At Minute 8:57 he talks about injury. I think being active is really important, but I think people can lose a lot of weight with walking, something simple. It has a lot of benefits and if you like that is great. I hate being inside, I will run, walk, play any sport, swim, anything if I am outside. I can't stand being in a Gym longer than an hour, but I will walk outside 10 miles at a time. So you have to find what you like. The goal in the first 6 months should be healing and learning your sleeve, not burning calories to the max. I hate personal trainers too. LOL I'll never pay for one, and most of them look like they need trainers themselves. I lost my weight with keto and walking with a little yoga tossed in here and there. I think you will like what Dr Weiner has to say, I hope you watch the whole video. Edited to Add: I am watching this video now. I love this guy. I have never heard of him until this video. He is right and I like his logic. I need go walking before it gets dark but I am going to watch this whole thing and reply. What he saying about fat brain and skinny brain is totally right. He might be my new Dr crush, lol. -
Yesterday I watched Bariatric surgeon Dr. Vuong's video explaining his advice that people not exercise for six months after surgery. His reasons were not very clear from a physiological perspective. From an emotional perspective, he thinks that we aren't really ready and will just see it as a chore and beat ourselves up when we don't do it. He suggested working with a therapist to fix emotional eating issues, getting the nutrition straightened out, and waiting until you can afford a personal trainer first. People were asking good questions like what about exercise that you really like and what do you do at six months and beyond. He didn't answer the questions because he didn't appear to see them pop up. He seemed like a really dynamic and caring guy, but he also seemed kind of like a snake oil salesman. I've looked him up on Bariatric Pal and there's not much here except reference to a lawsuit and one time he introduced himself and hawked his books/ program and got negative feedback for it. Does anybody know of a physical reason not to exercise? He said something about it inducing cravings and screwing up your efforts. I've been exercising regularly since week three (I'm now in month five). It seems to lift my mood quite a bit. I've stalled and been fighting cravings, though. Last week I was pretty exhausted and didn't exercise much (two days got to 10-11,000 steps). I also dropped my calories back to 1,000 and am eating keto. I lost eight pounds in a week and the cravings aren't as bad. I'm contributing this to keto, reduced calories, and coming off of a stall. But I'm curious about this exercise bit. Should I stop for a while to see what happens? Or is Dr. V a quack? I have recently hired a personal trainer, but I hate it. I don't yet have the nutrition thing all figured out, but I've been in therapy for a long time with great results in all but emotional eating. Do any of you have a response to this video? Are any of you losing rapidly without exercise? Anybody a patient of Dr. V or gone through his programs or read his books? Here's the video:
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Does anyone have more heavy menstrual cycles since surgery?
bitingcat replied to onmyway11's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
I'm 46 and have been on mild hormone therapy for years (I had way too much estrogen, very little progesterone, and no testosterone at all). Losing weight on the 6 mos supervised messed things up; going full keto for the pre-op sent me into a tailspin. After surgery we kept raising my progesterone to try and counter the massive weight loss estrogen dump, but after getting sent to the hematologist at my 4 mos post op visit, we started further investigation into my then constant heavy bleeding. Like, couldn't drive or leave the house and eventually needed a blood transfusion. Turns out I had large inconveniently placed fibroids that ruled out a uterine ablation and suspected (later confirmed) adenomyosis. Yay, me! So I spent my 6 mos surgeversary recovering from a robotic hysterectomy. I never thought I'd have two major surgeries in less then 6 mos. I still have my ovaries, so I'm trying to find a new hormonal equilibrium, but it is SO much better now. All the tiredness I thought was from wls? It was severe anemia. So get that stuff checked out at the obgyn pronto! Hopefully they can help you out with less drastic measures (hrt; ablation; etc.) but don't let it spiral out of control like I did. In my case, my uterus had turned into the Death Star and was using severely enlarged arteries to suck the life out if my surrounding systems. As my surgeon said, "It was evil and had to go." Best of luck![emoji106] -
Mojitos are def going to be too sugary. My advice is to stick to classic/prohibition era cocktails; generally they have just a few ingredients, mostly clear liquors, and the mixers aren't too sweet. However, most also are based around gin, so if you're not a gin fan that probably won't do you much good lol! Whiskey's also pretty good; it's keto friendly, along with tequila. I have a friend who's doing keto and all he drinks is whiskey & tequila, on ice! But he gets the good stuff. (;
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I know keto will work as long as you stick with it. For me, I know I couldn't stick with it long term, so I'm starting with a moderate approach. I guess I need to ask my nut, but I am looking forward to getting in 6 or 8 oz at a meal. Then I can actually fit veggies in with my protein. (More than a spoonful, which isn't worth the cooking!). 3oz protein, 3oz nonstarchy veggies, 2 oz starchy.. that is my long term goal (4 meals) (I'm female..a guy would need 4oz protein at a time).
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Living Life 4 Ounces At A Time
OutsideMatchInside replied to 2-Liter's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
@BigViffer Yeah, I track all my food in Metric. I wish we would just the rest of the scientific world. Also I notice that even on the packaging the grams in parenthesis are off from ounces/tablespoons, with the grams/ml being more accurate. It doesn't seem like much at one time, but over a month or a year, it adds up. @2-Liter I am really glad you like Keto. I think the key to doing it long term, is liking it. Really enjoying and understanding how it works. It makes it easy to make the right choices in various situations and you don't feel deprived. I also had a lot of bad habits that got me to almost 400 pounds. I am going the opposite now and trying to cement them as habits for life. Like weighing and tracking my food. The further out I get the more lax I want to get with it, but any time I slack off, even for half a day I suffer for it, so it just isn't worth it. If I hadn't been really serious about it in the beginning when it was fresh and I was really dedicated I am sure I would have quit by now. Also being serious about it in the beginning helped me learn that it really works and see the benefits so that also makes it easier to continue. I don't know if you use IG, but this guy https://www.instagram.com/vsg_kingtut_77 started large, he is still a big dude, but he built and fine as $%^&. If I was a big guy starting out, he would be motivation. Anyway, good luck and keep up the good work! -
Wow OutsideMatchInside that is a Great example of weight vs Volume, it is truly a eye opener. I read all of your Posts on Keto and find them very insightful. BigViffer the way you track and monitor your intake, exercise and BM's gives a detailed Roads Map of where you have come from and predicts where you are going, it is inspiring. If we all would spend more time planning ahead like you do we would find a lot less obstacles in our way. My Old Habits helped me to get to 513lbs so its time to chisel these New Habits in Stone and make them Law. I have been eating Keto for 22 weeks and I Love it. Now that I am 8 weeks Post-Op its time to add the gym too the walking I have been doing and hit it from both angles.
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I am 8 weeks Post Op and it is Abundantly clear that from now on I need to Live my Life 4oz's at a time. I don't have a Calibrated eye so my guessing on the weight of a meal doesn't work for me. It's for that reason that I have multiple digital scales at Home, Work and on the Go. I follow a Keto Macros style diet and with that I find my sweet spot to be 4oz, I know I could push it to 6 or even 8 and still get a good loss but 8 would turn to 16 and then 24. Right now I am obeying all the Posted signs of my Nutrition Highway, any other way has always ended in a crash and burn on my behalf. I stay plugged in to this and other forum as a constant reminder of the Success and constant problems myself and others face. I constantly have to remind myself of the rules of nutrition and that as long as I make them important and continue them i will have ongoing success.
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anyone using Vyvance (binging med) with Lapband?
pcara68 replied to Dxx's topic in LAP-BAND Surgery Forums
The vyvanse seems to be going well for me along with the Wellbutrin so far its helping , I had to approach my Dr with something I had printed off the vyvanse site because about it being approved for BED other wise she would have never given me the med as you do have to use caution . I was running like crazy and it helped with getting weight off but only increased my appetite even more. I have been doing a lot of research into Keto way of eating and its working for me and when you get into it a lot of your carb cravings go away because you are getting your energy from fat not carbs. I don't go crazy with the exercise I have been moderate (eg walking) and the weight has been coming off. -
The supervised weight loss physician that I am seeing in preparation has put me on a keto diet. I was very surprised, I was just expecting your standard low fat/low calorie diet. My dad is also following a very low carb diet and has had great results. I intend to stay low carb/keto for the rest of my life.....but I think I still need the surgery.
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That's the problem with "diets" in general.. people go on it for a while, get positive results, then go back to the habits that got them in trouble. There's no discipline to stick with what's working. This is a lifestyle change. If one doesn't wish to permanently change their eating habits they shouldn't even bother with WLS, it's not gonna help whatsoever. One should find a healthy diet that's both conducive to their health goals and something they can plan on doing indefinitely. Keto is just one idea of many.
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Keto was also used in the early 1900's as a treatment for diabetes,
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I find keto is a great way to remove cravings, but I usually only do it for about 3-4 weeks as needed. I would buy the book "intuitive eating" and begin that journey to go beyond diet plans and calorie counting. Best of luck-
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From what I've read, carbonation can stretch the stomach. Did you try the pouch reset diet? Why do you need to have so many calories on the keto diet to get in your protein? Are you eating high fat foods?
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I tried the keto diet in college, and like many others, lost weight rapidly, then gained it back even faster. A girl I follow on Instagram who had the VSG a year before I did (in August of 2015) raved about keto and how it had aided her in losing weight as someone who started out with a low BMI for WLS. My pre-surgery stats and goals were similar to hers. She does still recommend the keto diet, but cautioned that it must be followed diligently, and with a resolve to never stop it. She reached her goal weight in 2015 and maintained it for months, then in 2016 tried keto again to lose a bit more. She lost the weight she wanted, but then gained far more back very quickly when she stopped following it, and was back in the overweight BMI category. For me, the keto diet just isn't sustainable. It also makes me obsessive about carbs because I feel deprived, and to feel like I'm living to eat instead of the other way around. I've lost and kept the weight off by following a lower-carb, but not low-carb diet. I try to keep it under 80 net carbs a day. I've followed a plan from The Insulin Resistance Diet Plan & Cookbook by Jennifer Koslo. I checked the book out from the library, read it, and then just followed the guidelines. I don't literally follow the menu suggestions for each day. I recommend it, especially for any women with PCOS.
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@christina.rose Actually no! The exact opposite as a matter of fact. Keto has been around since the 20's and was used to help with epilepsy. The diet helped prevent seizures. It lost popularity once drugs were put on the market. It's kind of the ur diet. South Beach, Atkins, 30 day cleanse and all of the others are derived from this diet. Check out the wikipedia page if you're interested. It's actually fascinating how it went from aiding with seizures to "just a diet".
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I've lost nearly 80 pounds on a 3 month pre-op effectively on the keto diet. Not something I'd personally want to do on a permanent basis (some of the underlying rationales behind this diet I will keep, such as very low carbs), but no doubts whatsoever it, like the surgery, has/will be an effective tool for my goal of weight loss. Some of the other benefits I've had during this pre-op diet: - Stage 3 liver fibrosis: Significant liver improvement on liver function tests and fibroscan showing dramatic shrinking and softening, all liver function tests normal for first time in 1-2 years. I was heading toward cirrhosis (non-alcoholic), now liver is heading toward being healed. - Type 2 diabetes: hBA1c from 7.9 to 5.7, often times scoring 4.4-4.6 on fasts. I expect my June 1st hBA1c to likely take me off the rest of my diabetes meds. (being taken off 1 of my diabetes meds, Forxiga, immediately on Thursday) - Spinal injury: L5/S1 compression fracture, significantly more pain relief due to losing weight - RHR improved from 90-100 to 50-60 - BP improved from 150-170/110-120 to 110-125/70-90, being taken off one BP meds (hydrochlorothiazide) immediately on Thursday To say the keto diet has been beneficial has been an understatement, especially compared to the crappy RD's demands of liquid pre-op (consisting of just about entirely Glucerna, the crappiest overpriced meal replacement drink you'll ever taste) for 3 months.
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Woo! Huge shout out to keto here! I did keto for a year and a half and despite not having good results, I cannot speak highly enough of it. I lost 40lbs in the first 3 months. I suddenly slept better, wasn't getting sick, had more energy and felt amazing. I was never hungry since my body was burning fat instead of carbs, which meant I didn't get hangry anymore. I felt inspired in the kitchen again, learning substitutes for sugar, flour and high carb items. I'd eat a steak with creamed spinach and feel guilty that something so good worked for my diet. I say I didn't have good results because my body is broken. I did keto under medical supervision and my doctor eventually figured out what was wrong with me and why I couldn't lose more weight. I lost 40lbs in the first 3 months...and nothing else for the following year and a half despite adjusting macros. I kept doing it because I liked how I felt. Eventually, my husband saw my struggle and how miserable I was denying myself pretty much everything with nothing to show for it. I went off of keto and switched to low carb, going from 20g of carbs a day to maybe 80-100 on heavy days. I gained it all back at a ludicrous speed. In 2 months it was all back. It was absolutely devastating. Still, despite my story, I definitely recommend keto. If you have questions about it or recipe requests, I'm one of the people to ask!
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Nutrisystem after weight loss surgery?
2-Liter replied to Lexigurl82's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
All bodies react differently but Keto works for me not only physically but mentally, I don't feel lethargic like I once did. Do a little research and add yourself to several Keto Facebook Recipe Groups so that once you Break the addiction to Carbs you will have meals that you enjoy. I would take measurements and weigh and then commit to trying it for 90 days. You have nothing to lose but Weight. Good Luck -
Nutrisystem after weight loss surgery?
Lexigurl82 posted a topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
Hi guys, I had my gastric sleeve surgery in December 2015. I have lost 116 pounds, however I have about 30-40 more pounds to lose. The visceral fat around my belly is extremely annoying and hard to get rid of as as well. Someone suggested Nutrisystem to help shock my body and trigger weight loss. For my veteran weight loss surgery peoples, have any of you tried anything like keto, nutrisystem, weight watchers after your surgery?- 6 replies
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I love carbs and sugar. I still crave both just as much, immediately after the surgery. My plan is everything in moderation, one day at a time. If I cut something out of my diet completely, I usually end up giving in and over doing it. Right now Saturday is my "cheat day" which means higher calories and a treat. I am pretty much low carb the rest of the week. I don't know what this will look like long term, I'm pretty certain I will be a complete failure 3 years out. Apparently the only way to be successful at this, is to become a body builder, or marathon runner and eat a lifelong keto diet. But, I don't want to eat only chicken and cottage cheese for the rest of my life, and I sure as hell haven't noticed an increased desire to run marathons post surgery either.
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Hi! I'm scheduled to be sleeved on May 2nd. I'm looking for buddies who are getting sleeved around the same time. Doesn't need to be on the same day. Looking for others who are like me, more relaxed, and whose program is not keto and super low carb. My program and nutritionist promote moderation and healthy choices. I'm 38, stay at home mom of 3. I like video games, anime, Buffalo sports, reading, writing...I'm working on trying to enjoy working out. I talk to my best friends a lot, but one is thin and really can't get everything I talk about, and the other is plus size, but accepts that about herself, and in fact, seems to try to avoid talking about the surgery with me other than wishing me the best. I don't want to push it, I was really uncomfortable once at the notion of WLS . Having someone who understands and is going through a lot of what I'm going through to talk to would be really helpful.