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Puking my guts out today :(
BabySpoons replied to BabySpoons's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I overcame my fear and went to a family graduation party last night that involved a ton of food and alcohol. I didn't test anything except Arby's roast beef, no bun and a small bit of potato salad since I knew I stomach mashed potatoes pretty well. All good. My fam kept offering me alcohol and I kept turning it down while I sipped my water. No way was I going to try it then attempt to drive home. I had a good time and glad I went. Baby steps -
It could be just your fussy sensitive tummy. Many of us experience temporary changes to our taste buds &/or sense of smell. For some certain textures upset them. I was so excited when I was able to eat vegetables again but nope my tummy said no to some of my favourites. But it was only temporary. At best it’s just a ‘this is yucky’ reaction. At worst it may cause you to vomit. And yes certain artificial sweeteners (usually the alcohol ones) can cause digestive distress - bloating, vomiting, diarrhoea, etc. I actually had a reverse experience. Before surgery, I often found smoked salmon too rich & strongly flavoured. After surgery I surprisingly could eat it (smear of cream cheese wrapped around a wedge of cucumber - yum). But a few weeks later - nope awful & still avoid it. Give your tummy time to relearn flavours, smells, textures, etc. This is often a great time to try different foods or foods you fed isn’t enjoy in the past. Avoid those foods that upset you fur a couple of weeks & then try again.
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You would maybe be okay for the drive. However, the dietary restrictions may be hard to follow. You'll be on full liquid, no alcohol, tired. I would seriously think it through.
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One Month & A Half Surgerversary
Arabesque replied to jthebutterfly's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I found minced meat meals the easiest. Meat balls (rissoles & gravy), zucchini noodle bolognese, savoury mince, etc. Single serve portions freeze really well too. I also made chunky soups & slow cooked casseroles. Just add the spices, herbs & vegetables you like & can tolerate. I remember staying with my mum & I made chicken chasseur for our dinner. Bad idea because I added the white wine as per the recipe (alcohol cooked out so thought it’d be okay) & it made it taste disgusting. It as all I could taste. Like acrid. Couldn’t eat it. My mum loved it. So tread carefully. -
Pre-Op Toxicology Screen
NettyD replied to Ashley2023's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I am preop and going thru Kaiser (I also work for Kaiser) now but was never tested for nicotine, drugs or alcohol so far. Did you mention to your doctors that you’ve done drugs, nicotine or alcohol in the past? -
Pre-Op Toxicology Screen
catwoman7 replied to Ashley2023's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
the test for nicotine is pretty common. I don't know about the tests for alcohol or drugs - if I was tested for those, I wasn't told. -
Pre-Op Toxicology Screen
BabySpoons replied to Ashley2023's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I was sent to my GP a week before my surgery to test for drugs, alcohol and nicotine, Took both blood and urine. I've read some doctors will cancel your surgery if you test positive. Not sure if that's the norm for everyone but my doctors knew I was a heavy vaper for 5 years previous. -
Perfectly said @The Greater Fool. Using food to numb ourselves from emotional pain, depression, anxiety, stress, etc. is very common especially with people here. It’s the same as those who use drugs & alcohol to mask their pain & become addicted. Eating, regardless of how much is consumed, never stops the pain because it’s still there. So yes, you are experiencing withdrawals & grieving your inability to eat the same volume of food & food choices. Seeking support to understand & learn how manage the emotional or mental pain will be helpful. All because you can’t have your whisky now doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy a glass in the future. As long as you’re aware of addiction transfer & your greater susceptibility to it, having a glass on a Saturday night will be okay again. Congratulations on your weight loss so far & the life you are regaining. So much to celebrate & be joyful about.
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Welcome to the forums and congratulations on your success. Many of us used food as a coping mechanism or self medication to deal with issues. If this is true for you then having WLS may have taken a key coping mechanism away. It's likely time to talk with a therapist or behavioralist to learn new, better, healthier coping mechanisms. Many of us also had unrealistic expectations on how WLS magically change our lives. I've mentioned elsewhere that I'm an introvert and I'd long accepted it, but I still had visions of becoming a social butterfly when I lost my weight. Everything that my weight prevented I would be able to do again better than ever. Predictably, that's not how it turned out. A common meme is "we had surgery on our stomachs not our brains." Just because we lost weight doesn't mean we will automatically change. Losing our weight wasn't easy and took a rather drastic help. Changing other aspects of our lives may likewise take effort. WLS and rapid weight loss can upset your life. You are changing the status quo. Your relationships may change because your roles in them change. Work can be impacted. Even the way you perceive yourself may change, or not change quick enough, or become totally unrealistic. You may get more wanted or unwanted attention and be unsure of your response. Be sure to keep lines of communication open with your spouse, friends, and associates. Especially your spouse. You may eventually have your Saturday night whiskey. Two things here: First, be aware and careful of transfer addiction. Now that you don't have food to use as a coping mechanism many of us have turned to other often worse things like alcohol, drugs, or stand up comedy. Second, if not having your Saturday night whiskey makes you this sad then perhaps it's something you need to discuss with a therapist. To sum up find someone to help you. Heck, find a team. Your spouse can be a huge support. A close, trustworthy friend or family member could help. Forums like this can help. A therapist would be a great choice because they have the experience and resources to help build new tools. Good luck, Tek
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Alcohol is a Transfer Addiction !!
JayvonPatterson replied to BigHarleyGuy1's topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
Glad to hear that the supportive words here are helping you on your journey to quit drinking. It's not an easy road, but it's definitely worth it. I'm also on the same path and can totally relate. Have you considered checking out alcohol rehab Essex? They have some great programs that can help you kick that **** for good. As for my experience, I found that having a strong support system and finding new hobbies helped distract me from the cravings. It's all about finding what works for you. Keep pushing forward. -
November Surgery Buddies!!!
Spinoza replied to Tristenhilpert97's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
And just another general catch-up post from me. 17 months post op, I have lost another 2lbs this month after a loooong stall when I thought I was done losing. Now 140lbs. If I lose 2 more I will have exactly halved my starting weight. What a thought!! Still eating around 1500 calories a day on average [1300-1400 on weekdays, 1800-1900 on weekends (alcohol!!)] 😁 All is good with me basically. I have started to run a leeeetle bit after many years of not being able to. It's my favourite kind of exercise - just am older than when I did it before and gonna be sensible if it doesn't work out for me (and my older hips!) Any other November 2021 people still around and, if so, can we hear how you're doing now? -
A little backstory: I had a sleeve back in 2015. I went from 450 to 190. I kept it off for 5 years. Enter pandemic, job loss, and alcohol abuse. I gained 130 of the 240 back. My little sleeved stomach also grew and I was eating full size meals again and I developed severe GERD and a hiatal hernia. My esophagus was constantly sitting in acid and was scarring and narrowing and the hernia was so bad, food and pills were constantly getting stuck. Fast forward to the present, I had a revision to a gastric bypass to fix the GERD and hernia. Those things have been 100% resolved (thank goodness), but the weight hasn’t been flying off like it did with my sleeve. I lost 40 pounds my first month with the sleeve. An average of 1-2 pounds per day. Right now, with the bypass I’ve slowed down after exiting the liquid diet stage to where I’m losing .3-.5 pounds per day and loosing about 3-4 per week. I know I should be happy that I’m losing, but I’m disappointed that it’s not flying off like before. Especially because my activity level and calories burned is much higher than it was with my sleeve at this stage. I’ve gone in circles trying to wrap my head around it. I know I’m 8 years older (36 now) and I have developed chronic insomnia over the last year, so I only get 3-5 hours per night. I’m absorbing less, so maybe I’m in starvation mode? I’m at a loss Anyone have any encouragement or experience with this?
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Alcohol is a Transfer Addiction !!
CampbellSchultz replied to BigHarleyGuy1's topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
Hi guys. Just came across this thread and wanted to say thank you for all the supportive words you've shared here. I'm currently on my way to quitting alcohol, so I really appreciate your help. Actually, I'd also be grateful if you shared more of your experience on giving up that ****. -
Cigar Smoking after Gastric Bypass w/ Heller Myotomy
Arabesque replied to koliver20's topic in The Guys’ Room
Smoking cigars is the same as smoking cigarettes. Same toxic ingredients, same impact & hindrances on your healing & recovery (slower healing, increased risk of blood clots & breathing issues during surgery), same addictive quality, same impacts on your health in general. Some surgeons will test for nicotine before surgery. Another concern after surgery is addiction transfer. Your ability to satisfy your addiction to food/eating is decreased so the addiction transfers to something else. Alcohol or smoking are what most turn to instead. Of course the choice is yours. -
In my case, a lot of the foods I occasionally miss are ones that give me nearly instant, really unpleasant issues (sugar, alcohol, bread, pasta, potatoes are mostly the ones I can't tolerate STILL, even at 19 months out!)...so in a way a lot of that resolved itself because it's like aversion therapy. Every time I start sizing up a cookie, I remember fainting the last time I ate one and that definitely keeps me away LOL.
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Alcohol is a Transfer Addiction !!
MillsonGray replied to BigHarleyGuy1's topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
I'm aware that my reply comes a little late, but thank you for sharing your story and shedding light on the dangers of transfer addiction. It takes a lot of courage to speak up about personal struggles, and I hope your journey towards recovery continues to be successful. However, dealing with addiction and withdrawal symptoms, such as described at https://sunlightrecovery.com/fatigued-after-alcohol-detox/, can be challenging. It’s important to understand that recovery is not a journey you have to go through alone. Seeking the help of experts in the field can greatly aid in the process of managing addiction and withdrawal symptoms, as well as starting a healthy lifestyle faster. -
Share your latest updates!
NP_WIP replied to qtdoll's topic in General Weight Loss Surgery Discussions
I'm 4 months post op, 70lbs down since preop diet. I can eat anything I have tried, with carbs hitting heavier. I dislike the taste of beer and have no interest in alcohol. Last month I started exercising and I'm hungrier so trying to figure out how to add a snack even though I should be doing 3 meals until goal. Hoping to loose 15-20lbs before my 6 months since I'm expecting the rate of loss to slow down by then. Sent from my SM-S916U1 using BariatricPal mobile app -
Bubbles.
pintsizedmallrat replied to Happy with two's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
19 months post op and I still have to let everything go flat before I can drink it. I will have one of those mini Coke Zeros like once a month that's gone flat but thats about it. I only do non-sparkling mixers and wine when it comes to alcohol, too. -
Alcohol is a Transfer Addiction !!
Redsfan19 replied to BigHarleyGuy1's topic in WLS Veteran's Forum
I want to also add that I’m 9 years out and while I am not an alcoholic (I can be around alcohol without the urge to drink), it scared me how quickly alcohol hit after surgery and how often one glass hit like 3 used to. I quit pretty much all alcohol about 1.5 years ago now and am loving the growing mocktail and Non-Alcoholic Beer scene. If you feel out of control, it is not your fault and you can get help. -
Portion size is & always will be a consideration but more so in the beginning because of the many nerves cut during your surgery I mentioned in my previous post. It can be easier to eat more than we actually should. I was advised 1/4 - 1/3 cup of food from puree slowly increasing until I was eating about a cup around 6 months. Check with your dietician about portion size (& calorie goals) as plans do differ. I certainly couldn’t eat more than what I was advised & took ages to eat it. I sipped on my diluted soups & shakes for a couple of hours. During the liquid stage I are two ‘meals’ a day. Not hungry or interested in any more. From purée I ate three meals & no snacks. One or two snacks (fruit or soft cheese or yoghurt) were added later around third month a think. Ten popsicles seem a lot. Are you eating them for their fluid content or because you’re looking them as food & maintaining old snacking/eating habits?? While they contain no added sugar they do contain sweeteners - artificial or sugar alternatives like monk fruit. Therefore they are still feeding your desire for sweet foods. Some develop a sensitivity to sugar alcohols (the artificial sweeteners ending in ‘ol’) & experience bloating, diarrhoea, etc. I couldn’t have potatoes either but could have rolled oats from purée (instant to begin so easier on the tummy & very thin & milky). Took me three days to eat a serve & it was the only carb I ate (except the bite or two of vegetables I had). We all need a small amount of carbs & oats are considered a better carb. I’ll say it again plans are different.
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I have had non alcoholic champagne, it did bother a little the first time but if you wait a few after serving is good. I have had ginger ale and some sip of soda and had no issues, but my program says no carb Sent from my SM-G960U1 using BariatricPal mobile app
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HELP! Day One of Pre-Op Diet and Massive Stomach Bloating and Pain
Arabesque replied to See.Allie.Run's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
I agree with the others about it likely being the shakes. Check the artificial sweetener they use in the shakes & the yoghurt. The sugar alcohols are renown for causing bloating, discomfort, diarrhoea, etc. Wouldn't hurt to try the plant protein shakes & dairy equivalents to ensure it’s not a lactose issue but if you didn’t have issues with dairy before you shouldn’t now. (After surgery some people do develop a lactose intolerance but it usually is temporary.) -
I rarely have carbonation. I have sparkling water every day but I drink it pretty flat (keep the lid on the bottle loose). I drink it because I like the taste as a change from plain water. I do have soda or tonic water in the odd gin & the odd glass of champagne. But I only drink about once a month & then one glass is usually enough. Yes alcohol is empty calories, can slow your metabolism, etc. but I just don’t enjoy it as I used to. But when I do have it I have the real stuff: quality over quantity.😁 Also carbonation stirs up my reflux. Actually I watched an interesting medical program yesterday & they said there is research that carbonation (any drink) stimulates the production of our hunger hormone & results in people consuming 100+ calories per day. Unsure if the more carbinated drinks you consume the more you eat though. If you enjoy reading academic papers: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28228348/ It’s about a study using rats but the program did a short trial with people with the same type of results.
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I had my first champagne about 6 weeks after my sleeve and I've drunk carbonated drinks ever since - doesn't bother me but I think there's a LOT of variation. It's one of those things I would take very easy first time round and give yourself plenty of time between sips (to buuuuuuurp - a lot LOL!) Also be really careful with alcohol - you may find your tolerance is virtually zero after surgery.
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When you’ve never experienced something before, it’s natural to be concerned & have some worries. Bariatric surgery is a very safe surgery especially when compared to many other commonly performed operations. And yes your team are experienced professionals. Don’t be afraid to tell them you are nervous or have pain, nausea, or whatever. They are there to help you. Your pain is easily managed with medication & many find by day 4 +/- they have little or none. Gas pain can persist longer though - up to a week but it’s more discomfort than pain - walk, walk, walk. Yes, the initial placement of the IV can briefly temporarily hurt but it’s more of a sting than pain. My anaesthetist was joking with me & asking what alcohol I’d like him to add to the drip which was a distraction. I had blood tests every month - alternating one for my GP & one for my surgeon. From my second year I was every three months & at three years I began every 6 months. Again just a little sting at first & looking away does help. I’m so used to them now, I dint even think about it. Big picture, the surgery is nothing really. Certainly when compared to the potential health issues & treatments & intervention you may need if you continue being obese. For example, the pain from this surgery is nothing compared to knee replacement or heart surgery. I had sleeve like you’re having & it was the best thing I ever did too.
