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You know what I am talking about then! Man, we have a lot to learn! I am going to just go to bed. What did you do?

I have had a lot of restriction since surgery. I am day 10 post op right now. I didn't realize I had to follow bandster rules about drinking before, with and after meals. I think that aggrevated it!

I overate on liquids and feel like throwing up. I also drank before and after and feel awful

Thank you guys!!! I made the mistake of drinking about ten ounces right before, had fifteen oucnes of soup and immediatley drank sixteen ounces of crystal light. My first thought was to get something cold to drink or an ice pop, since that USED to help, but it sounds like that would make it worse???

You know what I did wrong too? I immediately drank 15 ounces of water before the soup and I drank a lot right before. I didn't realize that those rules of not drinking before and after had to do with me on liquids. I thought I had to do that when i was on mushy/solids. DAMN

Help!!! I Feel Sick!!!!

I don't know why I thought the waiting to drink before and after only had to do when you were eating solids. I didn't know it was for when you were on liquids. I know now!!!

Thanks Susan. I hate this feeling. I hope I learn so when it comes time to solids and mushies I don't do this again but would definitely PB then!!! I will definitely take my time. I was just so eager and was out all day and a little hungry. I was also at my grandmas and felt I had to eat faster than normal. I ate at "normal" pace. I was thinking about having a fruit pop. Normally when I am nauseous, something cold makes me feel better. My stomach feels so full, I hate it!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel straight out nauseous and I am not sliming, but saliva is being produced like when you are going to throw up. Laying down is the only thing helping somewhat. I am definitely not going to eat dinner!!! I have had major restriction and thought that the soup would be okay since it was so runny. I didn't realize I had to watch my portions with liquids if It felt okay while eating. The other days I clearly knew when I HAD to stop. I don't want to feel sick like this again. I hate this feeling. Somone somewhere said to have 1/2 a cup of any type of food, wait fifteen minutes and if you are still hungry have a 1/4. I didn't listen!!!

You can also find really good support on the Januray Bandsters thread. The people there are very supportive and informative!!

I feel nausous and worse if I walk around. I am not sliming, but have more saliva secreting tha usual. I am laying down and just feel like my stomach is over full. I didn't feel like that as I was eating, it hit me after I drank more liquids. I even got a slight headache. I have not been able to eat that much and have had a lot of restriction. I remember thinking, I should only eat half of this, but didn't feel uncomfortable to stop like usual, so I didn't stop. I feel awful. It has been like forty five minutes and the saliva keeps on coming. Audree

Supergenius, how much chili were you able to eat? I had a Campbells select cup of soup that was 15 oz and I feel really sick right now, nauseous and over full. I didn't feel like that as I was eating. Did I over do it! Also, what kind of chili did you buy or did you make it?

Great to hear you are doing so well!!!

Another excuse to use when out with friends is that you are doing a detox. I have done so many different types of detox, the maple syrup and lemon for three days detox, the veggie shake only detox, pills to detox, etc. Since your body it detoxing you can generally only have organic fish or organic chicken, veggies or just broth.

We have all been where you are!!! Some peoples doctors prescribe them something for the anxiety. Everything will be just fine!!! I am day 10 post op and doing fantastic!!! I never knew I could live without being a slave to food and overeating. I am free from the bondage and you will be too!!! Just go back and read these posts from the beginning and it should really help!!!

I felt like that, the night before. I was even envisioning my daughters faces, them crying and saying "why, mom was perfect the way she was". I couldn't sleep over it. So, I suggest taking a sleep aid the night before. Of course, everything turned out wonderful!!!!:clap2: :clap2: :clap2: And, here I am !!!

Dr. Ortiz requires three full weeks of liquid stage (meaning it has to be able to go through a straw) . I skip the mushy stage. The best thing I have had is Tortilla Soup with shredded cheese pureed. I had some Campbells soup clam chowder and I got so excited I ate the whole bowl (15 oz) and now I feel sick, bloated and nausous!!!! I didn't know you could over do it on the liquids. I am not going to eat the rest of the night, I feel awful!!! I had some Cam

Hey Guys!!! I have been out all day due to the kids having the day off!! I am glad you all benefited from the letter I was sent from Dr. Ortiz staff. They are awesome. I had some pureed Campbell soup Clam chowder, creamy enough to drink from a straw, and I think somehow I ate to much. My stomach hurts and I feel nauseous.. It is really called Laughing Cow, my bad!!!! It is with all the cheese!!! HEHEHE

I asked for info on erosion from the Obesity Control Center, Dr. Ortiz's clinic and got the following response. Aren't they awesome!!!!!! I also was given the following contact info was given to me also for any other questions regarding the lapband and for us to actually get it from the makers of the lapband "I have also never heard of routinely having the band replaced after 10 years. I would think that Inamed/Allergan would be able to answer that question, since they are the manufacturer of the Lapband. You can contact Don Mills (Sales Administrative Mgr) for Allergan at 800-624-4261 Ext. 4546 or email him at mills_don@allergan.com " I am so impressed and keep on getting more impressed as I go on my Lapband journey, with Dr. Ortiz and his staff. I get immediate responses to my questions and don't get any type of run around. Dear Friends and Colleagues:<O</O After receiving numerous calls and email regarding the latest speculations about erosions on the boards I feel obliged to post some facts that should be of some relief and informative at the same time. There are very few reliable sources out there on Gastric Banding complications except the series that are published in the medical literature. My colleagues that post on these forums will agree that my team and I are considered one of the foremost authorities in gastric banding complications and treatments in the world and as such our intention is that our ongoing research results in a safer gastric banding procedure for everybody. Folks, Lets start out by doing the math. Band erosions are not increasing as one would think. They have actually diminished noticeably in the past number of years. What is increasing is the number of patients having the procedure along with the ability to communicate this fact through forums such as this one. A surgeon that has performed 100 procedures may have 1% erosion, which is equivalent to 1 patient. While a surgeon with 3000 procedures under his belt will have 30 erosions, but this still represents 1%. Also the awareness of it's existence has prompted us to look for them purposely through endoscopic studies. We now recommend that every band patient gets an upper endoscopy around 18 months after the surgery. For a surgeon to know exactly how many of his patients bands have eroded he would have to scope them all. Endoscopy is the only way to prove an erosion since some erosions are asymptomatic early on. Erosions are unfortunate adverse reactions of gastric banding. They are also poorly understood. The term erosion has been popularized recently in the literature as one of the complications of gastric banding. It suggests the wearing out of the gastric wall, but the actual process seems to be more of a foreign body reaction where the body tries to eliminate the implant. Erosions are not new and it has been known for decades and reported in the medical literature that various materials near the stomach or intestine can slowly penetrate the wall and ultimately be eliminated through it. Implants, sutures, staples, mesh, rings, tubing, cloth and metal all have readily penetrated the gut. <O</O Though the actual process is not fully understood we do know the following: <O</O - Most bands erode from the outer edge of the implant into the stomach. Sometimes it is the tubing and not the band that penetrates the gut. This would discard the suggestion that bands that are too tight erode. (Conversely we now know that bands that are too tight actually slip more often) <O</O - Surgical technique is similar around the world. Most surgeons in the US and the rest of the world learned the technique from a handful of international surgeons who proctored them. In turn these surgeons have perfected the technique and the principles of band placement remain the same around the world. <O</O - Erosions can coexist with an infection process. Even though it would seem that the infection can start at the port and then ultimately cause an erosion, our recent studies have detected mircopenetrations of the stomach at the initial stages of the erosion (soon to be published data) then most likely stomach bacteria tract down though the tubing to the port and contaminate it. Again these ongoing studies will shed new light on the process and hopefully someday will totally eliminate the risk of gastric penetration. <O</O - Erosion is not selective of one band or another. Sooner or later every brand of gastric band has been reported to erode. <O</O - Latin bands do not erode more frequently. For one the implant used comes exactly from the same company and are made of the exact same materials. Contrary to a controversial post recently published in a forum, responsible surgeons performing gastric banding in Mexico have a comprehensive follow-up protocol. Fluoroscopy and Endoscopy is routinely performed which means that we detect the erosions more efficiently and earlier when present. <O</O - When an erosion is detected the band should removed. This gives the stomach time to heal and in given time receive a new band. It is the patient's responsibility to tell the doctor of his or her symptoms. The sooner it is detected the better the chances of performing a laparoscopic and uneventful surgery with a quick recovery. <O</O - We also stress the importance of follow-up. Most erosions have no symptoms early on, so a routine checkup with your doctor is always the best option. NO NEED TO PANIC, erosions are still a rare occurrence, but if present when detected and treated early on the outcome is benign in nature. You will all agree that gastric banding has touched hundreds of thousands of lives around the world. It is the safest weight-loss procedure but unfortunately no procedure is free of complications. Even though erosion rate is very low, it still exists. When present it should be detected and treated promptly. The earlier it is treated the better the outcome. In some cases patients have actually received a second band after a brief period of recovery and thus having the benefit of restriction and weight-loss again. The only source of reliable medical advice is your doctor. Other sources of information only lead to speculation, anxiety and worst of all delay in treatment if needed. If you are to go out of the country for surgery, select a responsible surgeon that offers follow-up. Ask if he will always be available (my patients can reach me in a moments notice, they all have my cell#) Don't be enticed to go to the cheapest, usually they go hand in hand with poor to no follow-up. You must be able to trust the doctor you have chosen. We as Surgeons also have our official Internet forums where we exchange knowledge with each other having only your best interests in mind. Remember, ultimately it is your success that results in our success. My best wishes to all,<O</O Respectfully<O</O Ariel Ortiz Lagardere <!-- / message --><!-- sig --> __________________

I asked for info on erosion from the Obesity Control Center, Dr. Ortiz's clinic and got the following response. Aren't they awesome!!!!!! I also was given the following contact info was given to me also for any other questions regarding the lapband and for us to actually get it from the makers of the lapband "I have also never heard of routinely having the band replaced after 10 years. I would think that Inamed/Allergan would be able to answer that question, since they are the manufacturer of the Lapband. You can contact Don Mills (Sales Administrative Mgr) for Allergan at 800-624-4261 Ext. 4546 or email him at mills_don@allergan.com " I am so impressed and keep on getting more impressed as I go on my Lapband journey, with Dr. Ortiz and his staff. I get immediate responses to my questions and don't get any type of run around. Dear Friends and Colleagues:<O</O After receiving numerous calls and email regarding the latest speculations about erosions on the boards I feel obliged to post some facts that should be of some relief and informative at the same time. There are very few reliable sources out there on Gastric Banding complications except the series that are published in the medical literature. My colleagues that post on these forums will agree that my team and I are considered one of the foremost authorities in gastric banding complications and treatments in the world and as such our intention is that our ongoing research results in a safer gastric banding procedure for everybody. Folks, Lets start out by doing the math. Band erosions are not increasing as one would think. They have actually diminished noticeably in the past number of years. What is increasing is the number of patients having the procedure along with the ability to communicate this fact through forums such as this one. A surgeon that has performed 100 procedures may have 1% erosion, which is equivalent to 1 patient. While a surgeon with 3000 procedures under his belt will have 30 erosions, but this still represents 1%. Also the awareness of it's existence has prompted us to look for them purposely through endoscopic studies. We now recommend that every band patient gets an upper endoscopy around 18 months after the surgery. For a surgeon to know exactly how many of his patients bands have eroded he would have to scope them all. Endoscopy is the only way to prove an erosion since some erosions are asymptomatic early on. Erosions are unfortunate adverse reactions of gastric banding. They are also poorly understood. The term erosion has been popularized recently in the literature as one of the complications of gastric banding. It suggests the wearing out of the gastric wall, but the actual process seems to be more of a foreign body reaction where the body tries to eliminate the implant. Erosions are not new and it has been known for decades and reported in the medical literature that various materials near the stomach or intestine can slowly penetrate the wall and ultimately be eliminated through it. Implants, sutures, staples, mesh, rings, tubing, cloth and metal all have readily penetrated the gut. <O</O Though the actual process is not fully understood we do know the following: <O</O - Most bands erode from the outer edge of the implant into the stomach. Sometimes it is the tubing and not the band that penetrates the gut. This would discard the suggestion that bands that are too tight erode. (Conversely we now know that bands that are too tight actually slip more often) <O</O - Surgical technique is similar around the world. Most surgeons in the US and the rest of the world learned the technique from a handful of international surgeons who proctored them. In turn these surgeons have perfected the technique and the principles of band placement remain the same around the world. <O</O - Erosions can coexist with an infection process. Even though it would seem that the infection can start at the port and then ultimately cause an erosion, our recent studies have detected mircopenetrations of the stomach at the initial stages of the erosion (soon to be published data) then most likely stomach bacteria tract down though the tubing to the port and contaminate it. Again these ongoing studies will shed new light on the process and hopefully someday will totally eliminate the risk of gastric penetration. <O</O - Erosion is not selective of one band or another. Sooner or later every brand of gastric band has been reported to erode. <O</O - Latin bands do not erode more frequently. For one the implant used comes exactly from the same company and are made of the exact same materials. Contrary to a controversial post recently published in a forum, responsible surgeons performing gastric banding in Mexico have a comprehensive follow-up protocol. Fluoroscopy and Endoscopy is routinely performed which means that we detect the erosions more efficiently and earlier when present. <O</O - When an erosion is detected the band should removed. This gives the stomach time to heal and in given time receive a new band. It is the patient's responsibility to tell the doctor of his or her symptoms. The sooner it is detected the better the chances of performing a laparoscopic and uneventful surgery with a quick recovery. <O</O - We also stress the importance of follow-up. Most erosions have no symptoms early on, so a routine checkup with your doctor is always the best option. NO NEED TO PANIC, erosions are still a rare occurrence, but if present when detected and treated early on the outcome is benign in nature. You will all agree that gastric banding has touched hundreds of thousands of lives around the world. It is the safest weight-loss procedure but unfortunately no procedure is free of complications. Even though erosion rate is very low, it still exists. When present it should be detected and treated promptly. The earlier it is treated the better the outcome. In some cases patients have actually received a second band after a brief period of recovery and thus having the benefit of restriction and weight-loss again. The only source of reliable medical advice is your doctor. Other sources of information only lead to speculation, anxiety and worst of all delay in treatment if needed. If you are to go out of the country for surgery, select a responsible surgeon that offers follow-up. Ask if he will always be available (my patients can reach me in a moments notice, they all have my cell#) Don't be enticed to go to the cheapest, usually they go hand in hand with poor to no follow-up. You must be able to trust the doctor you have chosen. We as Surgeons also have our official Internet forums where we exchange knowledge with each other having only your best interests in mind. Remember, ultimately it is your success that results in our success. My best wishes to all,<O</O Respectfully<O</O Ariel Ortiz Lagardere

I also felt like that and did!!! I called it the Un-Diet!Audree

How are we all today??? Today is post of day 10 for me and I feel great!!! I am back to my old self but much better!!!! I have 11 more days of liquid stage, I don't get a mushy stage for some reason. I still have very good restriction. This morning is the first morning I don't wake up feeling like someone is squeezing my stomach. I had my Gano Mocha coffee with a cup of soy milk for Breakfast and felt very satisfied as usual. I think I will keep up this practice. Maybe add chocolate Protein shake mix to it or carnation breakfast but hot in the mornings. When I can add solids, I think I will add a little egg if I can tolerate it. I feel thinner. My pajama pants are not super tight like they were before surgery. I still have not weighed myself and don't know when I will. How are you all doing??? Audree

Thanks Tulip!!! We will go on this journey together!!! How are you doing with your liquid stage? Eating anything interesting?? Audree

I actually use a coffee called Gano coffee. It is supposed to be a healthy coffee and tastes really good. You can get it online. Just do a search for Gano Coffee.

No you wont!! That is my breakfast every morning since being banded, except I use soy milk for the protein!!! I am too restricted in the morning to have anything else. Audree