marjon9

OK, OK, I admit it. I'm actually also WASaBubbleButt and Laurend.

To me this does not seem like a close call. It seems clear that once the child is born the father has to pay. The facts indicate that the woman either did not know she could become pregnant or deliberately tricked the man by telling him that she could not get pregnant. This does indicate that the man has some points on his side and it is a raw deal to be forced to pay child support for 18 years after being deceived. But still, once the child is born there is just no other way.

Susan, when it comes to insurance exclusions sometimes there is just nothing you can do. I would get some advice on how best to present your case and then appeal the decision to the insurance company if there is any gray area. But there may not be. Many other people have been in this position, and many of them eventually come to the point where they figure out a way to self pay. My doctor (link is in my signature) was only $9950. Some of the Mexican doctors are even less, around $8500, and many people here have used these doctors with great success. The truth is, even if you pay for it yourself, you will still very likely come out ahead when you consider the lower medical bills in the future for obesity related health problems, lower food cost, and overall better quality of life. I wish I could tell you that there is a sure way around the insurance exclusion. But sometimes there just isn't.

I'm sorry to hear that. I just produced an album of Hip Hop Christmas Music called "Holiday Hip Hop From Good King WencesPants" I predict that you will not be a purchaser.

Our cat is named Monkey. And we had a rat named Mouse. But he recently passed on to his reward.

I would have liked to contribute, but I just sold my last pair of jeans to The Flying Elvi. They plan to make a set of a dozen parachutes.

I feel sorry for male Shih Tzus (if there are any). Talk about growing up confused.

A "slight unfill" involves the nexus of Gatorade, laughter, and the nose.

I think you are full of Shih Tzu.

I'm confused. Half the people I meet call me "Fat Head" and the other half call me "Pin Head." So, does that mean my head weighs more then eight pounds, or less?

Yes, you are correct, I think that is perfectly alright to answer a newbie's question and come straight to this thread and make fun of the very question they ask. I would not make a habit of it, but I think it is perfectly fine to do one time. And I also know that if I were a newbie, I would think this thread was very funny too. I am quite capable of laughing at myself. In any event, your indignation and heroic defense of the little guy has been duly noted. Thank you for your contribution. All 26 if my cats are duly impressed.

In general I am pretty patient with newbies, as are most of the people who posted on this thread. But the truth is, newbies ask some pretty dumb questions. It seems to me that a newbie should be inclined to run a couple searches before asking "what is a pb?" We can be patient with dumb questions, and give people the support they are looking for 99.9% of the time. But just this once, I think people decided to let off some steam over these dumb questions. To me, this seems acceptable. I think the Karma gods will forgive. I think that people will find the support they are looking for. But just this once . . . After all, if I have to answer "what is a pb" one more time, I may loose my mind. :heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh:

I have trouble with ninja throwing stars. Even with gravy, I can't get them to go down.

My dog's better than your dog.:heh:

All the various stories we see on this thread are interesting and thought provoking and very clearly demonstrate the infinite variety and highly personal nature of all these situations. Anyone who is against abortion definitely should not have one. But it is impossible for me to comprehend how anyone could advocate that the particular beliefs of one group should be forced onto all others who then must act against their own needs and wishes or face criminal prosecution. I'll never understand that view at at all.

I don't think it is necessarily productive to try and sort out who is to blame. We are all flawed, we do the best we can, we make mistakes. What happened happened. It's in the past now. It seems to me that the best thing your friend can do is try not to allow these past resentments and regrets to damage her present and future life. Listening to your story it seems to me that a large dose of forgiveness all around, of herself, and her mom, would be the best thing here, if it is possible.

I've been described as "Florida-like"

Randon drive by post just for the halibut? I hate fish.

Have you gone postal?

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All these kinds of stories are interesting and they may make a difference to some people in some circumstances. But I think it is important keep in mind that they are totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. The issue is not whether abortion is good or bad. The issue is whether the state has the right to force women to bring children to term when they do not want to for any number of reasons. That's the issue here. When you tell your stories about how bad abortion is, etc., these stories may be effective in changing someone's mind some day. Maybe you will stop someone from having an abortion, and maybe that will be a good outcome for that person. I personally support your right to tell these stories. But again, even though such stories are appropriate in this thread, they are totally irrelevant to the real issue. And that is, again, does the state have the right to force women to bring the child to term when the women, having heard all the stories, still don't want to. That is the issue here. I am not particularly "in favor" of abortion. I think very few people, pro choice or otherwise, are "in favor" of people having more abortions. A particular woman may be in favor of an abortion for herself under certain circumstances, but I've never known anyone who generally would encourage other people to have more abortions. The issue here is not that one side is "in favor" of abortions and the other side is not. The issue is, who gets to decide what an individual woman should do. Is it up to so-called "pro-life" people to force their views on others and criminalize this most personal of choices? Most of us don't think so. So, feel free to tell your stories. Just keep in mind that your own personal opinion about abortions is really totally irrelevant. The issue here is whether you have the right to force your personal opinion on others. No matter what the law is, or what the Supreme Court says, the women of this country will never let others make that decision for them. They never have, and they never will.

I grew up in Santa Monica and Venice in Southern California and it was a great place to live, but to me now the crowds and traffic are just too much to bear. Same with San Francisco. A glorious place but suffocating in some ways now. I lived for many years on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington. Very beautiful and not too crowded, I loved it there. Too rainy for my wife so its off the list, which makes me a little sad. Maine and Massachusetts are spectacular. Just a little too cold to live all year round. But great places to visit. Florida has its good points, indeed. I lived there for a few years. But the summer heat is too much for me. Lately I've really been enjoying the Delaware beach areas. There are some parts that are not too crowded at all, and there are still a lot of unspoiled nature preserves, etc. It's not too expensive. My wife loves it as much as I do. I just hope not too many people discover what an awesome place it is there. Kinda thinking that it might be the place we'll end up some day, hopefully soon.

I also want to mention that if you are paying for this yourself there are many less expensive options. My doc was $9950. You can find a lot of information about cost by searching in the forum, or just post a question about it.

Perhaps life is just a big joke, after all.