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Big grrls aren't allowed to be anything other than goodnatured, jolly, and always concerned for others. Big grrls are expected to listen the problems of others all day long and yet never, ever speak about their own. Big grrls are the Mother Theresas of the work place. It sounds to me that you are claiming for yourself what every normo grrl gets to claim for herself without anyone else questioning it: a certain amount of self interest. Enjoy it! :biggrin1:

You may wish to phone her in order to warn her that there will be surcharges for your research: the time spent researching 1) the pattern 2) the fabrics and 3) the fuel you have consumed in doing these tasks.

Yep, you should charge her for all the work you have done. Present her with an itemized bill. And, by the way, even Mean Green has difficulties with saying the No-word. It took me years to learn how and even now I run into the occasional problem with it.

Yah, that seems fair but what if the newbies are as dumb as Green was/is? :faint:

:heh: I am in kind of a weird position whenever it comes to these discussions. I figure that I am now an old timer, I was banded Sept 7, 2006, and I reached goal about 9-10 months after I was banded. Since then I have lost another 5 lbs. Now, it is true that I was one of the lower BMI gang and so I only had about 50 lbs to lose but on the other hand the lower BMI gang often don't experience the same dramatic weight losses and we older, post-menopausal types can find ourselves handicapped when it comes to losing weight.... Anyhow, what I want to say is that I always find myself deeply conflicted whenever we LBT folk engage on these discussions as to what it is going to take in order to lose weight once we have had our lapbands installed. It is certain that some of us old farts have been fabulously successful and that part of this has been because we have chosen to engage on many levels in this project of weight loss: this means that we have been meticulous about watching what we eat and about following a strict exercise regime. Well, I must go on record as saying that my weight loss was not due to any of this. I am by temperament a real slacker and this is why I knew that I needed the band. I have never had a problem with sweets but I sure did like to eat a lot of food. The band cut my appetite way back and my job, as I figured it, was to make sure that I avoided the carbs and spent my time on protein and on vegies. To tell you all the truth, I am a lazy, self-indulgent grrl but I did - kinda accidently - manage to achieve goal within 10 months. This was such a thrill for me! I figure that I was very f...ing lucky. You should remember that most bariatric surgeons view the post surgery weight loss journey as being a journey which will last 2 years. Two years! This means that each and everyone of us who manages to get to goal under this time should be considered as exceptional. (Hah! First time that Green has ever been ever considered exceptional for all the right reasons, eh. LOL) Your weight loss journey is your weight loss journey. It belongs to you. There are virtuous old farts who have knocked their nuts off working to get to goal and they are very proud of themselves; and who can blame them, you know that they have worked hard. And then there are folks like myself, folks lost weight easily, but who are terrified that they are going to lose it just as easily that they got it. (Honest! I keep thinking that I am going to wake up fat!! ) There are also people who set more or less demanding weight loss goals for themselves. Your experiences will be personal to yourselves. My advice to you is to ignore all of the preachy and the judgemental stuff which you feel does not apply to you, to keep on asking questions, and to enjoy the best that this site has to offer. Remember, you will become old farts if you stick around long enough......:heh: And that is what LBT does need, more old farts.

Vicodin, eh? And here House is my hero.........:eyebrows:

Yep, but only if you share with me.

The mantra which I and my other overweight middle-aged grrlfriends have always liked to use is this: The deeper the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'. Most of us are chubbly-wubblies. We say this and then we fall about laughing. Of course the fact that we have been drinking wine helps. While I agree with Marjon's point that it is unrealistic for anyone to believe that a 5 week relationship should lead to love and marriage and a baby carriage, I think that there exists a, well, a set of dumpage protocols, and that it was the violation of these which has the majority of us who have been posting on this thread up in arms. The truth is that when one individual choses to dump another fairly early on in a relationship the Miss Manner's rules of kindness and politeness demand that the Dumper leaves the Dumpee with his or her ego and self-respect intact. This means that the one who is choosing to bail presents the usual shopworn excuses: it is not about you, it is about me; I have decided to try to give my relationship with my ex a second chance. Why do decent people do this? Well, it is because we all recognise that we are putting ourselves in a vulnerable position when we are putting ourselves out there. And that this act of bravery on the part of one singleton merits a sensitive and kind treatment on the part of his or her fellow singletons, all the ones who are actively dating. This is why kind people do not say: I am dumping you because the sex is lousy, because you give lousy head, because you have a micro-dick, because I need a magnifying glass and a pair of tweezers in order to find your package, because your personal hygiene is so bad that I have seen blind men hanging outside your house with their fishing equipment at 5 ayem. These are all cruel, hurtful, and counter-productive comments. They display nothing more than malice and a desire to wound someone who has taken a chance by opening him or herself up to you. In fact, whenever I am confronted with this sort of energetic malice I am inclined to wonder how much of this is true and how much of this is just an expression of simple, brute cruelty, a kind of wanton psychological vandalism, on the part of the cat who is doing the dumping. I do want to say that I have blotted the bleeding egos of male buddies who have been badly dumped by mean grrls. I have also had my sexual performance dissed, for apparently no good reason, by a guy who later showed up for seconds of the same shitty sex. Ugh! Go figure, eh.

I don't understand why the practice is illegal considering that only the first marriage counts as a legal marriage. I watched the first season of Big Love on DVD and was under the impression that the practice remains hidden for social reasons as much as for any other. The rest of us generally speaking find the practice weird and, well, kind of repulsive; and so we don't want to do business with or socialise with these folks. Of concern to the legal community, I imagine, is the idea that many of these marriages are forced and certainly I cannot imagine that very many young girls are going to be thrilled about being married off to old farts. On the other hand, undoubtedly some of our new citizens who come from countries where arranged marriages are the custom also force their children into marriages which they may not want. I suspect that the legal system may also be concerned about the likelihood of social dysfunction in these groups: abuse of the junior wives by the jealous senior ones; underage girls being forced to marry which constitutes statutory rape; those forced marriages which can be considered a form of rape; the inadequate care and education of the many children produced; and in the case of at least one of these families, the consistent and deliberate practice of incest for breeding purposes. I will also mention that these groups seem cult-like in that they do remain hidden and the women and the youth are very much under the control of a few old men. These conditions provide a breeding ground for social and psychological dysfunction. By the way, the site which Wasa has provided provides some absolutely fascinating and chilling reading on these folks. Thanks, Wasa. One of the concerns raised when Canada legalised same sex unions was that our polygamous groups will demand the same rights and they can use the compelling argument that they have their cultural and religious reasons for this.

Excellent point. :clap2:

Newbies have the right to ask what PB and NSV mean. Rant&Ravers have the right to jump all over people who post complaints about the contents of this forum.

Well, I sure am glad that you are feeling better. :biggrin1: But I sure was hoping to score those perks. :heh: Afterall, Xmas is approaching :phanvan and I am sure that I will need the help. :faint:

Carol, it sounds to me that your best bet would be swimming and other exercises which are done in water. Your legs and back won't be subjected to the same pressure as they are on land. It is as close to a weightless experience as most of us earthlings will ever get. Water exercises are often referred to as aquobics. You should phone around and see if you can find something of this type in your area.

Yep, let's start by stamping out mall Xmas music. :help: It has already started up here in Toronto, Canada, and is playing 24/7. (I would much prefer to listen to Handel's Messaiah which is all about the birth of Jesus.)

Yah, non stop Xmas music! :faint: Thank Gawd I don't work retail! :help: I would definitely go postal. :angry

That's why I used to take the shotgun approach to dating: sleep with lots of different guys and some of them are bound to work out. :eyebrows:

This is a real bummer, grrl. Can the docs give you meds to fix the hypo-thyrodism? And I am also deeply in love with stuffing and gravy! :hungry: By the way, you Americans do much better on the Thanksgiving front than we Canucks. You get a 4-day weekend out of it. Ours falls on a Monday and so we only score a 3-day weekend. blehhh! And because we have already had ours we are already subjected to non-stop Xmas music in all the malls. Double blehhhh! :angry

Carol, the band works best on those who have problems with portion control. This was my situation. I never had much of a sweet tooth but I ate huge amounts of food. Once the band was installed I simply could not consume much food anymore. I have always liked good food but I was awful fond of carbs and cheese. My job was to trim back on the carbs, eat less cheese and generally pay a little more attention to what I actually was eating in my banded mini-meals. One of the things which I did do was to start reading the nutrition facts info on all processed foods before buying them. This was quite a shock. I discovered that vegetable soups are largely devoid of vitamin C. I discovered that eggs are low in calories and loaded with certain vitamins and minerals. This meant that omelettes and fritattas made with fresh vegies were a good thing to make. For a snack I will eat a small tin of flavoured tuna, one of those with a pop-lid. Because I was still eating all the things which I like but simply eating much, much less thanks to the band I was losing weight without any sense of dieting or deprivation. And though I do have a membership to a gym I haven't been using it. I had torn rotator cuffs, you see, and have spent a year in physiotherapy. I do a lot of walking, however, which is something which I really like. For people who have a sweet tooth losing weight, even with the band, is much more of a challenge. You see, sweets are soft and tend to slip easily through the band. They are not only calorie dense but they don't contribute to that sense of fullness. These are the people who will feel like they are on a diet and will suffer from a sense of deprivation. And as you have already heard, some folks have slower metabolisms than others.

Write on!!! :ranger:

Your daughter will be a valuable resource, and helping you will help her; it makes us feel happy when we can happy someone else feel better. I believe that you will have an interesting and pleasant journey with your daughter's company. :biggrin1:

Some ole blondes just wanna have fun........

Yup, that liq oxi should be sent to me. I certainly would not like to see you more confused than you already are. On the other hand, confusion really suits me. :eyebrows:

Nope, just a real trashy fondness for pain meds, eh. :heh:

Some guys are shallow, malicious jerks. You ran into one of them. These experiences always hurt. By the way, these men are a$$holes who also trip out on skinny chicks because they are men who feel the need to hurt women. You shouldn't take his behaviour personally, it really does have nothing to do with you and everything to do with him, but I understand that you do hurt and that you will be hurting for awhile. Do try to remember, however, that this has everything to do with him and nothing to do with you.

It is your life, not his, and if you are seriously overweight, unhappy, and medically at risk, then you must do what you have got to do. He learn to must deal with your decision to take control over your body and to end your own suffering. If he is a decent and loving man he will come around to acknowledging that you are right. And if he doesn't, well, that is his problem, isn't it? Do you want to make it your problem?