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PG, My question is this. If welfare was good enough for you when you were 19, why is it not good enough for the 19 year old today? THis is your postion. You did it for 2 years. You said you took advantage of it. Are you saying all people who get on welfare are leeches like you say you were? That is why you object to WIC? Because you know you took advantage of it? It was good enough for you but people simply can't have the problems you had back then. They can't possibly need that 2 year leech spot that you had. According to you, you're different than other people. You're better (hindsight is a muther) and people can't possible have the good intentions you had back then to get off welfare and become self sufficient? WOW. I told you the arrogance is staggering....

I said PG rants against the government just for it being the government. Proof everyday. When people rant against their own self interest, they're just ranting because they can. Makes no sense. Does look like "toe the like rethuglican, just say no to everything, I wanna get elected at any cost, Scott Brown.

I think PG posted this right wing propaganda earlier this year. You need to read more middle of the road info. No wonder you got people hiking in the woods trying to kill police and the president on your side. This garbage gets feed like cereal to yahoos and they swallow it hook line and sinker. Most of everything you posted is right wing talking points and most balanced people don't believe them nor subcribe to that on a daily basis like you do. The first complaint. Obama said Hillary wanted a mandate. According to your quote, obama never said what his position was... just that Hillary claimed it. He went in another direction talking about being able to afford it. The article implied he said he would never do it. It never states he said he would never do a mandate. LIE You need to look at what you post. I must admit I hardly read your garbage because the depth of duplicitious rhetoric has enough truth to convince simple minds it is the truth. That is why the right wing nut jobs have convinced some intellegent people and all of the ignorant that they are right just by posting that kind of garbage and people like you take one portion of truth and become convince the whole thing is the truth. Just look at the example above. Rethugs are good at this. You just happen to be one of those people who believe all they write. You need to open your mind to other possibilities. I understand its all you know but, read other sites because this sight seems to be your default site and it is unbalanced. By the way, I read your sight and others like it just to see what they say everyday on top of the left sights. A world of difference between the reporting. Republican sights don't critisize rethugs at all.... only democrats. I haven't seen one sight that is rethuglican critisize rethuglican. Not one in a fair and balanced way anyway. The democrats critisizes both sides. Obama get plenty of gripe from our side and so do the republicans. You really need to get away from the extreme right because they are going to take the ignorant masses for a big ride.

The low information voters think Hannity is a prophet like Beck and Oreilly and Limbuck. Not one of those yahoos think they incited anything. Look at the idiot Oreilly and Dr. Tiller. He helped the passing of the Dr. for sure as he hoodwinked the idiot who took his take on the situation seriously. Those are some dangerous people and Michigan proved that religion in the wrong mind is dangerous.

What exactly can be done about? Repeal and replace? People who read know that can't be done. POTUS is not going to sign a repeal by the the rethugs. Never going to happen. So, the government can say you have to buy insurance, but you don't have to. You can pay the fine at the end of the year from the IRS. Works for me. Constitutional? People kill with this one. What's allowed under the Constitution is what the government says it is. Their interpretation, not yours. But its amazing the money these att gens are willing to spend to lose, just when their state is having record short falls.

Hey everyone, Palin starts her new show today. April Fools, the perfect day for her to do it.

WOW, Too far gone for me folks. Health care means giving the government permission to make us have abortions? And please don't come back with the government is make you pro lifers have abotions cause then I know the wig is flipped.

I second that Cleo.

Olive branch came out and the hand got cut off!!Bogus.

Leigh, Your explaining too much. Tin can brains don't absorb like that. You know who could explain it though? Sarah, the I can't name a book, Palin. They seem to understand her brand of down home garbage.

Ain't it a punch in the gut the depth of ignorance and arrogance. I think I lost a couple IQ points off that......

That was the second dumbest thing I have heard on this thread. What is this illness that is infecting people? What is so hard about knowing we need to raise taxes to support our lifestyle? Every informed person knows this. Even if we never had this health care, we would still need to raise taxes. Apparently there is a blind spot somewhere, cause people don't get it. Since we already need to, why not get the insurance every poor and some middleclass people need? Now we hear. "Obama is gonna raise my taxes, oh my!!! If people weren't stuck on stupid/glued to dumb, they would have already known that we have to raise taxes regardless of healthcare. It should have been done a long time ago!!!!!Or has no one been looking at the budget shortfalls in various states the last few years. Come on, read people, please.

I have an idea. Why don't people who don't want regulation go live where there is no regulation. That would solve a lot of problems. People who get mad at the government to the point where they want to kill police and overthrow their government should have that choice to not have clean water and built roads and little recourse in the courts.

They both are idiotic if we both agree and we don't. Unfortunately for you healthcare is a reality. Go into the water and suck it up. No, don't struggle, the event will be much harder later on. Rail against it all you want. I can say with certainty that health care is here to stay. Mandated auto insurance...ugg, lets wait and see. I can wait to say I told you so. Insurance for the blind. Fake Noise funny.

Bottom line Our taxes have to go up. That would have been the case even before healthcare. This budget shortfall has been happening in states way before healthcare or the stimulus but the governors and such don't want to do it since it would be a risk to their election. We need to raise taxes regardless and they need to start doing that since as people are fond of saying we don't have any money. We have been out of money since before the crash of the economy. They needed to do it more than 5 years ago to make a difference. Now its inevitable but people want to blame it on the big stimulus and health care. Bush should have did it 2 years after got into office if not sooner.

If you want to have a discussion, then great but don't make up bullshit threads uder the guise of something else. Even the idiot teabaggers would say your premise is dumb. No sense in talking about this dumb subject with a straight face since you obviously don't get why there will be no such thing as mandated car insurance for the blind. Insurance for the blind? Are you serious? I'm going to do like your idiot leader and say "hell no".

She's in a corner and she's swinging. Even as her arms fell off weeks ago and knees buckle at the strong sway of the wind. SHe's apparently did not hear the unclogging of the prison cell lock. Health care key turned last tuesday.

My question...why didn't you name it new health care thread? Any hoo, who said mandated stuff is always a good thing? Nobody said that, I said mandated auto insurance is not logical nor likely to happen because of reasons stated above. Come on.....

PG, There you go bashing the government for governments sake. You would rather the government do nothing. There is your argument, good going. Fake argument, fake outrage ,fake, fake, fake. When people show you who they are, believe them. I believe you PG.

I thought the thread said mandated auto insurance? Please post health care information in the health care thread. Back to auto mandated insurance, stated in previous thread, dumb straw man argument. Not everyone can drive because of vision, age, physical capacity and mental capacity. Since those factors and a few others exist in this society, there won't be a mandate. Not to mention as I stated before, you can't make people get a car or get a license for a car they don't have nor make handicap people capable to drive or children drive or people to old to drive, no mandate. What else?

Great!! As soon as they mandate that I buy a car or have a drivers license. Or have a license but not buy a car...ugh I can't think since this question and explanation just dropped my IQ points. Dumb premise, dumb argument, but your good at being funny like Fake Noise.

Who cares if the ignorant masses don't like it, they got it. Just like SS, just like medicaid. They can vote out who they want come november, rethuglican can't do jack, neither will these retard governors filing law suits. I think I am going to write tuesday down in my diary. 30 years from now, i will instruct my grandchildren that that was the second history making moment in my American life behind Obama's election. For me, all Obama has to do is 3 more things on my 10 point scale and he has my vote 2012. 2 Marks to his credit: Dont' ask don't tell progress Health care progress Hopefully immigration

PG, You should go back and read some of your post. Hating the government for its own sake is your mantra. Government is in charge of many things and very few thought the world as we know it would end before. Now we have been asking for healthcare for how long? Now that we got it under Obama, people lose their minds? Come on.... Now we are actually seeing how governmet effects people on a real level by passing healthcare and the the rethuglican in charge of the house calls it Armeggedon? Please Cost will not trump access.

Cost should never trump access. This is a moral issue.

I was absolutely floored when I heard about that. This yahoo gets "socialized" help from the government and has the nerve to be against the healthcare plan? WOW. Just goes to show retards will vote against their interest every time. Just on a side note. Since he hates socialized help lets relieve him of his SS. Walk right into his bank and freeze his bank account with socialized funds, stop the checks if they are coming in the mail of socialized funds. Then lets see how far he'd be willing to take this fight. People protested against the civil rights bill, medicaid and SS also when they came out and look how those turned out to be staples of this nation. Some of these yahoo don't even know whats in the bill. They have wastes of space like Beck, Haniity and Limbaugh to guide them with misleading info. It is sad that we have such ignorance. Doublely sad since there is the Intenet and other sources of news to hear the truth.