Sorry you are in pain, have you ever looked at curezone.com ? I've used the Hulda Clark liver cleanse successfully, many times, to avoid gall bladder removal. Because, as you are unfortunately experiencing, even if the gall bladder is removed you still can get all the old symptoms from sludge and "stones" in the liver which is what probably caused your orignal pains. Doctors remove the gall bladder (which is just a pouch to hold excretions [bile, sludge, stones] from the liver) if it is infected and sometimes even if it isn't. If it is infected it causes pain; if it is not infected the source of pain is the blockage/congestion in the liver which is not taken care of with surgery. I'm interested to know if you took the gall bladder med Uridsidol that the docs give after weight loss surgery. In any case, I hope your pain is alleviated soon. I am new this site and posting (this is my very first post ever!) and I've read all your posts; you give such great info and insights. I hope this helps.