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I wont sit here and do hypothetical anymore. Its ridiculous. You can sit here and tip toe around it all you want , weather you want to admit it or not . In a round about way you are calling someone who has an abortion a murderer. You cant call the abortion doc and the clinic murderers and not call ther woman one too . So either admit that is the case to yourself and that's how you really feel or admit that is NOT the case, You cant have it both ways. I walked past 30 people holding picket signs calling me a murderer when i had my abortion . Cause that was how they felt. At least they clearly stated thats how they felt. There is no anger. Only frustration and sickness for people who sit here day after day and say " I do not judge: But for what ever reason do not see they do . Only anger for people who hide behind a bible to spew their disgust and anger for people . You cant have it both ways . Im not speakign specifically about you . But your either " a non judgmental god loving person " or your not . You cant have it both ways. Dont sit here and say " I dont judge you " and then in a "nice" way call someone a murderer . doesnt work that way ! Mindy

She does not care. And that's the problem i have with extremists like her. They dont care about getting their "message" out as long as THEY are right. Its like i said before its people like this that get people like me to run like HELL the other way . Or as Green might say RUN TO HELL !! LOL Mindy

Why does Green HAVE to have been a mother ? She know's now she did not want ot be a mother . Not every woman has to be a mother . I admire green for recognizing that , Green is an amazing woman . But she does not HAVE to be a mother to be a complete woman !!! Mindy

I was just looking at your myspace page. your an amazing mother, woman and person Holli . I dont know that I could handle what you have gone through. You have done a wonderful job , and to top it off your husband is in the military ? WOW !! He seems like an awesome man as well ! I LOVE The daddy doll that is the cutest thing !!! Mindy

THIS is how teens end up pregnant !! You tell a teen " DO NOT Have sex if you do your DISOBEYING GOD " you want to have a teen get pregnant and have an abortion TELL them that shit ! My parents told me DONT HAVE SEX DONT HAVE SEX its WRONG WRONG WRONG your wrong if you do it. THEN turned aroun dand asked me " do you need to be on the pill" NOW hummm why the hell would i tell you to put me on the pill when you have told me from day 1 how wrong it is to have sex? does not take a genious to figure that out !! So you drill into a kid how wrong sex is and how your disobeying disappointing god by having it . then tell them " BUT you can come to me if you need protection I can all but gurantee you it wont happen ! I have a 16 yr old son . I have told him from day one , " I would rather you wait to have sex until your married, however if you do not wait I will not be dissapointed in you and I will love you no matter what " HERE are your condems , this is how you use them ect. " He walks out of this house on dates and my questions to him are " got money , got enough gas, got condoms" If he has questions about sex he comes to me . Guess what ? He's almost 17 and still a virgin . Do i know that 100% yes i do ! My 17 yr old sister, who my parents are still raising the same as they raised me with the dont dont dont crap ... came to ME to put her on the pill . My parents did not learn crap from me . Anyone who thinks telling a kid to abstain and ONLY abstain is sadly mistaken it will work . Some day people will realize that ! Anyone who thinks shaming a kid with God or anything or anyone else will make them not have sex is sadly mistaken too ! If your willing to be a grand parent at an early age keep that process up !! Mindy

I have not had a hysto but I have PCOS which causes hormones to go NUTS . My sex drive has gotten much better as my weight came off. But before that, my doc put me on Wellbutrin and antidepressant and OMG did my sex drive come back . Its been fine ever since then . You might want to suggest that to the doc ? I know how much of a strain that can put on a marriage its not easy at all Good luck Mindy

I saw it the other day for the first time in a while and she's really looking good. She's always been so pretty . She seems to be doing well

I ditto everything Cleo's mom Said. besides the complications. Your doc needs to know your doing this NOW ! If this goes on and he finds out your doing it later he's going to be VERY UPSET. if you devople a complication this is his stats that your putting at risk. I can tell you docs do not take kindly to taht. I think you have to face your surgeon . If you do not have "Time" for the band or your having too many issues than your best option is to have it removed instead of doing this . Mindy

Also you said your down only 35lbs since being banded. your weight loss averages out to 1.4 pds per week . That is "Average" weight loss for the band. Average is 1-3 pounds per week so your right in the middle. You have nothing to be discouraged about . Your doing fine ! Mindy

You should be able to drink the Water comfortably , Not feel it "stop' or back up in your throat or feel any pain. If your not sure after you tell him have him do the fill then walk around the office or wait in the waiting room for a while and continue to drink water. Sometimes after i have a fill i cant gulp water but I do not have a problem with drinking it with sips . Does that help any ? Mindy

OH green by the way my "dont tell me this or that " comments ect above where not directed at you i was just commenting cause your post made me think of my comments . LOL Make sense ? LOL Mindy

Green I have told you this before that I admire you for realizing that you do not want to have children and taking steps to not have them instead of being one of those people who know they are not or would not be a good mother and have them . I do not think everyone has to be a mother. Or every woman woudl be a good mother, Geesh have you watched the news lately ? I had my first son at 16 i can not take birth control due to migraines but took other steps to make sure i would not get pregnant again . When i ended up pregnant at 19 after ending an abusive relationship I was not going to have a baby with someone who had just got done beating me so badly he put me in the hospital for days on end. Nor did having 2 kids at age 19 and being a single mother look appealing to me. I knew if i had the baby the father would not have given it up for adoption. I had the abortion it was the right thing for me to do under my circumstances at the time. When I say it still upsets me or bothers me , the circumstances around the abortion bothered me , I was upset that i got pregnant to begin with and upset that the circumstances did not allow me to have the baby ( DONT FREAKING TELL ME I COULD HAVE EITHER I wont listen to that shit from anyone now ) As a mother and a human being the abortion i think bothers people , it just does. It not an easy thing to do. I think people who do not agree with abortion think those of us who have them use them as birth control or that we think of them as the easy way out. its not the case for me at least. I still do not regret the choice i made it was the right one . My life was hard enough bringing up my son alone it would have been nearly impossible or much much different with another one ! I do not regret it . you can have a choice bother you , upset you and it STILL be the right thing to do . Mindy

See what all of you do not get is I do not see a fetus as a baby, one that can live on its own until 22-24 weeks. It can not sustain life on its own until then. Do I agree with late term abortions no i do not at all. I am REALLY sick and tired of people saying " dead baby " chose to kill . SERIOUSLY !!! All of you who are such wonderful "Christians" need to think about what your saying and how your saying it . In every other post your saying " SO YOU think its ok to KILL A BABY , its ok for a woman to KILL A baby , kill kill kill " But then when someone gets pissed off because they get offended that your calling a woman who has had an abortion a murderer you say " NO I did not say that" Yes you did. Just in a round about way you just wont stand behind that ! So call it what you want, see it how you want. MY STANCE IS THIS AND IT WILL NOT CHANGE !!! I do not agree with late term abortion . I DO HOWEVER Think the WOMAN has the right to chose what SHE DOES WITH HER BODY ! Its HER BODY ! If she CHOSES to give the baby up , its HER CHOICE , if she CHOSES to have the baby that's her CHOICE if she CHOSES to have an abortion that is HER CHOICE. And DO NOT Come with me at some crap that "you must feel guilty for what you did " I will come una$$ed on someone for that crap ! Its a CHOICE !!! You have your opinion its your CHOICE to have it ! Mindy

Would i have a problem with a woman having the choice ? NO woudl I have a problem with the state, federal govt. forcing them to ? YES . I have a problem with "keeping" it alive with technology though. either way i personally believe it should be left up to the woman no matter what . Its her choice. If she felt that was a better choice for her then i would not have an issue with that. Mindy

My boys have some good ones. My 16 yr old has one that says " You look like my next girl friend " and one that says ' Laugh all you want at my pink shirt its your girlfriends' OH and one of my favorites, " Im only friends with you cause your mom is hot " LOL I love those !! Mindy

I'll have to check that out

Again that your opinion , the difference between you and me is I do not think MY Opinion is the ONLY Opinion and therefore EVERYONE should think as I do . If you feel that way you feel that way . I respect that. I do not however think that everyone should or does feel the way I do . Im done .

So your saying a 3 month old fetus is "Independent" therefore does not need the mother to survive ? The child is NOT just as independent 6 months before birth as it is 6 months after birth . How do you think that is possible ? A Viable fetus is not even condisered until around 22-24 weeks. Meaning if you have a baby in the hospital before then technically the docs do not HAVE to do anything to sustain life to the baby . Because it CANT Survive on its own .. So i guess you have your own "rules" .. :tt2: Mindy

U think you need some therapy to bring that out a little more !! :tt2::thumbup:

:tt2::thumbup::smile::lol: Green, next time I must insist you dont sugar coat your feelings and just come out and tell us how you feel ! ROFLMAO I LOVE IT Mindy

Yeah TLC ( they are the one's with the Duggars and John and Kate) said they never had any deal going or they backed out. I guess they figured once people started hating her no go LOL

I saw on the news last night that they are saying she's got a "deal" for something going on . To be shopping for a million $ house ect. Someone has given her a deal for something. And i would have to agree. Mindy

Goes back to pushing, shoving , throwing others beliefs in others faces like i was saying. No reason for it . I totally agree w/ what you said BJ. How HORRIBLE a person must be to believe in abortions !!!! (can you hear my eyes rolling ) Mindy

I think you misunderstood what Wasa said. I am not sure why you are so upset. Other than frusration and I can understand that. But let me first say I am sorry you are having problems . I have had several issues myself , i am sensitive to fills have had more unfills than fills. Get reflux from occasion ( have it now actually , i think it some something I ate ) I have to say that what you describe sounds like first bite syndrome. which although I have not brought it up with my doc yet I am pretty sure I have. Have you heard of it ? One of Wasa's suggestions "Why don't you try this, instead of 3 meals daily, for a week or so what if you eat three bites every hour? Small bites and THREE ONLY." I believe ( I could be wrong) could be used to rule out first bite syndrome as well. Her suggestion was to try it for a week and a week only not the rest of your life. I am one that has to eat several smaller meals several times a day . Sometimes I have to eat a few bites , i get some pain and have to wait 10-20 mintues and then finish eating and I am fine. But the only way to figure that out is to just do it and see how it works for you . Sometimes the band is trial and error . Wasa as she documented has had many isssues with her band and along with that came trial and error to rule things out . Sometimes our docs do not give us the answers we need and we have to rule things out on our own or go to other bandsters who have had some issues and ask how they did things ? I think Wasa was only trying to help . I realize your going through a hard time however, I do not think it warrants the kind of response Wasa got. She was only trying to help . As was I . I hope you find some relief and they find out what is going on ? I am sure this is somethign you have done but it does help me quite a bit do you take something like Pepcid at night ? Good luck Mindy

Did you hear a psychologist has filled a report with CPS to have the kids , the babies taken away from her ? Nadya Suleman Child Protective Services Complaint: Child Abuse Claim - Octomom - Zimbio