NaNa

I had respect for you Missy, you've lost it.... You are extremely two faced....when ALL of us Lap banders were CONCERNED about the others coming here you said...You have NO desire to learn about other surgeries because you were ONLY interested in the lap band.. Now you are saying you may have options to CONVERT to other options...just to stay "friendly with others that are attacking me...you are pathetic...and yes I said it... But NOW since others are attacking me, you want to JUMP on the attack NANA...bandwagon...

You are acting rude to me ....I am just responding to their snarky posts and if you don't like it you can use the IGNORE button too. I will make it easy for you...I will put you on my block list that way you don't have to read my posts....

Again...if someone have a problem with this post...just stay out of it and it will eventually die out...if you keep stirring $hit ...it will keep brewing.... I don't bite my tongue about no comments I made...if anyone don't like it...I gave directions on how USE THE IGNORE BUTTON..apparently they are more interested in keeping the attacks going....which is fruitless...and stupid I am on NOT going anywhere...so if you can't the heat stay out of the kitchen... And by the way I am being EXTREMELY nice with my replies...

Hello... No thank you, I don't care to go the Sleeve route, if I develop another hernia in 7 years, my surgeon can just unbuckle this band and fix it. The older 4cc band that I had could not unbuckle...so I had to get my band replaced.... As long as my band keep my weight down, without horrible complications I will keep it or replace it.... Regarding the Sleeve what are YOUR plans when it stretches back out in the next 1-3 years? Do you have a PLAN B? So.....you can redirect that Band revision link to someone else that's interested....Okay?

And oh..you can click on my profile and click on Gallery to check my pics to see if I got to my goal weight or not.... Remember once you get to goal, does not mean you will stay there with no small weight gain...

I was at My goal weight within 18 months post op.......Remember I am going on 9 years.....you know the time MOST Bypass and other surgical types have gained it all back...LOL I kept my weight down for 7 solid years with hardly NO gain....I am not cranky...just spunky... I gained 30 pounds back last year when I developed a hiatal hernia...and had to saline reduced....there is no shame in my game.... I've lost 20 of that....I am VERY HAPPY where I am right now...so I will any additional weight loss I can get.... Don't brag too much...because what I hear the Sleeve can/and do stretch back out double its capacity in a few years....you are not that far out yet...so don't go bragging....

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Jean, Interesting and very articulate point.... You made some GOOD points by saying that PB's usually COMES from the Upper Pouch, that little section that the band creates...In all the literature that I've read we do not technically have a pouch, but FOOD is stored in the upper pouch created by the lap band, the area just below the esophagus....HENCE when we PB it's NOT REAL vomit, without the acid, it's just 'undigested" food which is called Bolus that comes right back up.... I guess this is an argument that US surgeons and surgeons in Australia need to argue...but you can't argue with O'Brien s green zone charts and his findings on drinking with food is not advantageous..

And that's ok please use your right to the Ignore button....all you have to do is go to your profile and over to the left there is an IGNORE section, and just type in my user name NANA....and Poof...I will be gone... :ph34r:

Butter Bean....FYI...I currently live in a small town with my hubby, but not as small as yours ( I moved to his town when we got married)...but we have concrete... but I sure don't like small town living...we hope to move out to Northern California in the next year... and FYI...and you both have the same skin color...LOL...so there ya go...and you learn something new every day...

Well...one GOOD thing I have to say positive that I've gotten out of this entire silly argument...I am down 4 pounds since Sunday..... ...and the only reason I had *time* to answer posts was I glued to my computer working on a short deadline to my clients.... So next week, I will not have the time to deal with this type of nonsense....

And congrats on your new surgery! I am very happy that you responded in an articulate way, GOOD FOR YOU, follow your surgeons rules, if he sees a problem with it long term, then your surgeon can address it. The point of my post was to poll people and ask them if they were following one of the new rules, everyone does not use that rule...Heck I did not use it when I first got banded, I followed the 30/30 rule with my first band for many years....did it cause my esophagus to become horribly dilated? NO..... However, I did not keep my lap band horribly too tight, nor did not vomit often either, so NOTHING is set in stone, however O'Brien's point was he did not see an advantage to not drinking while eating and some people developed esophageal dilation over time, it does not mean everyone will... Will I follow this new eating rule? Maybe I will do it sometimes, but not all the time...NO one ever asked me this question out 100 replies to that post..LOL But the new O'Brien's not waiting to drink has made me MORE more comfortable in drinking while I eat especially when I go out to restaurants with hubby and I will no longer feel guilty by drinking while eating...

To answer another point you made... I did not imply that JennyBean was "smart" because she agreed with me, I implied that JennyBean was "smart" and wise by going into her Lap Band journey with her eyes open and LEARNING, and hearing what 'others' like O'Brien has to say about the new no longer waiting to drink rule. She did not say she was agreeing with me, I don't expect EVERYONE to agree with me, I mentioned that in my post everything I say is not GOSPEL, I advised people to take what helps them and discard the rest. There is nothing about my post that insinuates that I am arrogant or a "know it all". Have I learned many things going on 9 years with my lap band? SURE, I've done my homework, read MANY studies, good and bad, seen MANY with complications and how they happened...SO if I am "wiser" from all of this ...I guess you can call me a "know it all".

First of all, I don't "venture" over to the Sleeve side because I have no interest in it, nothing against you or anyone else with the Sleeve, I just don't. I come here ONLY for lap band support and supporting lap banders and not to stir up trouble. Secondly, I have NOTHING to apologize for or "own" because I was just asking a simple Poll if anyone has adopted the New no longer waiting to drink while eating, which is now used by the MOST experienced lap band surgeon in the world that so many US lap banders follow the safety GREEN ZONE chart. You are a Sleever and you have nothing to do with this and you have a different anatomy, so this should not be applicable to you regarding O'Brien drinking updated rule. Please stay out the Bees' nest if you don't want to get stung....

*Whatever*.....please go play along with your fellow Sleevers...I've played too long with your *game*... And my quotes: Those who have nothing positive to contribute should not say nothing at all.

For *some* it REQUIRES yelling, because they can't seem to comprehend what I was trying to say. And comprehend O'Brien's video.

Your questions makes sense so I will respond .. In the OLD days when I got my band over 8 years ago, we were all taught one of the "golden lap band rules" were to NEVER drink while we ate, because this would push the food through, and if this occurred we would seemingly defeat the purpose of the band and get hungrier between meals sooner, and not lose as much weight. Some surgeons had a 30/30 rule some had a 60/60 rule of waiting up to 1 hour or 30 minutes to stop drinking any liquid and wait 1 hour to 30 minutes. However, O'Brien and other "very successful" lap band clinics learned that not only there is NO advantage to the old 30/30 and 60/60 rules specially for LAP BAND patients it CAN cause esophageal dilation LONG TERM in many lap banders. Because MANY who followed the 30/30 - 60/60 rules, their food NEVER went past the band, or the food would sit in the esophagus too long and in some lap band patients this eventually caused the esophagus to dilate (or create a new small stomach in the esophagus) AND IF THIS OCCURS -- IT ALWAYS REQUIRE LAP BAND REMOVAL AND THE PATIENT CAN NEVER BE A CANDIDATE FOR THE BAND.....any longer. Esophageal dilation IS DIFFERENT than Pouch dilation, if someone develops a larger pouch they CAN always get this fixed surgically, so Pouch dilation is not as harmless as esophageal dilation, but both are lap band complications but different issues. And to answer your last question : So the theory of clearing the food so it doesn't sit there constantly day after day meal after meal makes a bit of sense. But then doesn't also defeat the purpose of the band? I mean isn't that where you would feel your restriction? If it dumps on your full sized stomach won't you still be able to eat more food? Oh by the way I don't know squat I'm a sleever! Here is the thing...MANY US Lap band surgeons DO NOT KNOW HOW THE LAP BAND WORK....some still fill their patients too tight and send them on their merry way with no instructions, etc....hence why there is a VERY HIGH complication rate. Based on O'Brien and other skilled lap band surgeons, including Dr. Simpson.... The lap band DOES NOT WORK UNTIL ABOUT 1-2 HOURS AFTER WE EAT, meaning, it should never make us full to the point of being stuffed, we should eat slowly wait a few minutes let that food go down, take another bite, or even take a sip of liquid between bites and let that go down and after eating slowing for about 15-20 minutes of about 1/2 to 1 cup of solid food, IF WE ARE IN THE GREEN ZONE, we should be satisfied and STOP EATING...THAT'S HOW THE LAP BAND SHOULD WORK, BASED ON NEW RESEARCH FROM THE FOUNDER WHO CREATED THE GREEN ZONE CHART. Some surgical clinics DO NOT FOLLOW THIS, and MANY US surgical practices have very high long term lap band complications rates, IN FACT, MANY surgeons are no longer doing bands because they were removing more than they were putting in...which CREATED THE NEW RAVE FOR THE SLEEVE....IN THE LAST 4 YEARS....BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY HAVING TO GET THEIR BANDS REMOVED.. Will everyone have issues down the road? We don't know, but based on the last 10 years those clinics that don't follow Dr. O'Briens green zone chart and this NEW REVISED 10 Golden rules with the band tend to have more complications..... NOW there is a NEW TURNAROUND FOR THE LAP BAND...SURGEONS ARE NOW LEARNING AND ADOPTING...O'Briens new rules and with a "safer" band, things have started to turnaround for the band....

Yea you have no reason to prove your POINT, because you don't HAVE ONE...LMAO.. You are here just to stir up trouble, and FEED attacks against me, that's all, aka a troublemaker... Also I have NO CLUE of what you are talking about and why I am wasting my keystrokes in responding to you. If you can't respond WITH studies and cited materials of what you are blabbing about...I will no longer respond to your nonsense. Until you can PROVE what you are trying to say....I will no longer respond to you. Until then Goodbye.

Why can't you keep the debate on the SUBJECT instead of personal attacks? Or is it that you can't come up with any type of articulate way to argue MY POINT of this post? If you can CLEARLY argue your POINT WITH BACKED UP STUDIES AND PROOF OF YOUR POINT, LIKE I DID IN THIS POST....then you'd clearly HAVE A DEBATABLE POINT...BUT UNTIL THEN YOU HAVE NOT PROVED YOUR POINT...NOW WHO LOOKS LIKE A FOOL? LMAO I can call you and the rest of the people that are now blocked REALLY ugly names, but again then I would be accused of being MEAN, ARROGANT and a "KNOW IT ALL"... Now wouldn't I be?

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That's OK...I just wanted to put it out there in laymen terms....since MANY do not Know the difference between the Lap band, Sleeve or Bypass stomachs.... and how they work

You are correct this is the best thread EVER, I am not sure Sleeve and Bypass folks are so interested in it. We lap banders are DIFFERENT than Sleevers and Bypass people. Sleeves have little Sleeved stomachs, that IS stapled, Sleeved stomachs RAPIDLY empties, and sometimes can cause dumping like and hypoglycemic symptoms if drinking or eating sweets or carbs. Bypass people have a "stoma" that IS stapled, Bypass stomachs RAPIDLY empties, and sometimes can cause dumping syndrome and hypoglycemic symptoms if drinking or eating sweets or carbs. Lap Banders DO NOT HAVE stapled stomachs, we DO NOT have dumpling syndrome because our FOOD does not rapidly empties....the band is designed to slowly empty from the esophagus into the stomach....we DO NOT technically have a pouch, our band is sutured around our stomach, the band makes a little pouch area around the top of the stomach that separates the lower esophagus from the stomach area and our food slowly slowly dumps from the esophagus into the stomach... Sleeved and Bypass people are told NOT eat drink while eating, because their anatomy is different....there is NO reason for Lap Banders to do this because our FOOD slowly dumps from our esophagus into our stomach.... Lap Band surgeons in the US have followed BYPASS rules and adopted that SAME rule for lap banders and after years of research Dr. O'Brien changed this RULE for lap banders in Australia because there is no advantage to NOT drink 20 minutes after eating....

JennyBean, You are a voice of reason and very smart, and I applaud you for that. You are wise to take what helps you and use it to your advantage. You are wise enough to listen to your surgical team, but also wise enough to KNOW that they may not tell you EVERYTHING about the band to be successful and complication free long term. Lap banders TODAY have an advantage that I did not have years ago. The blind were leading the blind, I remember many use to think VOMITING (Pbing) daily was a sign of achievement of the SWEET SPOT....LOL. I remember a friend of mine on another forum was distraught (very sadden) that after 1 year she no longer vomited (several times per day) hence her food NEVER WENT PAST THE BAND, I am serious, she said that her band would no longer tighten to the point of her having to "vomit" every single day, turns out her band was so tight that her food never went past the band, and over time it stretched out her esophagus because the food just sat in her esophagus and made a "new" little stomach inside her esophagus....this is a frequent long term complication too, esophageal dilation and dismotility that MANY long term lap banders get. so she had a revision to the Bypass and that was over 7 years ago, I don't know how she is doing now, but that story is many lap band revision stories. The moral of this post is that many people NEVER REALLY knew how the band was suppose to work long term, yea they lost weight, but their banded journey eventually turned into a horror story -- and I've read MANY horror stories, this is why I am passionate about the band, I just hate to see many lose their bands for nothing.

AND Oh...I forgot to mention...remember the Green Zone that everyone follows? O'Brien wrote that chart level too, so instead of writing a fruitless post to me, if you don't agree with O'Brien;s protocol on the lap band please send email him, he has a website.....He did not create the Green Zone chart and his new updated drinking rule while eating WITHOUT PROOF and clinic studies on the consequences of what can happen long term....