Tired_Old_Man

My father-in-law liked me (I was renting an apartment in his two family house from him) until I asked his daughter out for a date. The next day, he gave me an Ultimatum: "Marry my daughter or STOP TALKING TO HER".:faint:

And George W. BuSh let Christians be executed while governor of Texas (including some who found Jesus and were born again while on death-row), so does that mean the George W. BuSh is not a Christian? If you answer no, then that defeats your argument about Hitler disposing of Christians, because the arguments are analogous (ie. If one is right, they both are right. If one is wrong, they both are wrong).

No! It is not more accurate. It is a distortion of reality to make their political agenda look correct. FOX's political agenda may be Right, but it is not correct. When USAF B52's dropped bombs on Afghan villages, it was homicide bombing, but not suicide bombing. When a Israeli fighter/bombers dropped bombs on Lebanese villages, it was homicide bombing, but not suicide bombing. When USAF B2's dropped bombs on Iraqi villages, it was homicide bombing, but not suicide bombing. When Muslims suicide bombers blow themselves up for their cause, (whether correct or not, justified or not), it is homicide bombing and it also a suicide bombing. So unless we are willing to call the actions of the US Military and the Israeli Military; “homicide bombings”, we need to differentiate that type of bombing from the man in his truck who blows himself up or the man on the bus with TNT strapped around his body by calling those actions “suicide bombing”. I know that some of those on the Right who will read what this post says, will see me as defending suicide bombers, though I have not in the least condoned their despicable actions. However, I will say that the actions of the suicide bombers are no more despicable than the actions of the pilots of the US and Israeli planes that drop bombs on civilian cities. To label dead civilians as “collateral damage” is double-speak right out of Orwell's 1984. To say “we neutralized the target” is also quite Orwellian. WE ARE KILLING INNOCENT CIVILIANS. The pilots who drop these bombs and the Military men who push buttons launching Cruise Missiles each killing innocent civilians are just as brain washed as the Muslim terrorists who strap on the suicide bomb pacts. The reason that this belongs in this thread is because each of these groups are supported by their misinterpretations of their holy books which gives them a feeling of superiority and righteousness. Neither one is right. Each of these holy books talk of a God that wants peace, but neither can see that because they know that they are right. Yes, they both are Right as is FOX News, but none of them is correct.

I agree 100% about needing to have people visit a lot. My mother-in-law would go to visit her husband 7 days a week and stay from early morning until after dinner. She tried to be there for at least two of his three meals each day. As long as she was there to feed him and to make sure he drank liquids, things were fine (except for the occasional bruise which no one could prove was abuse). Whenever my mother-in-law was sick, I would drive my wife to the nursing home for at least one meal. He never had a urinary infection. But... My wife and in-laws are British, so when my wife's aunt, my mother-in-law's sister died, they both went to London for the funeral and stayed almost a month to catch up on their many relatives. I was working full time and working overtime, plus doing all the house work, including taking care of my three dogs, so of course, visits to my father-in-law were scarce, even though he had two children and at least a half dozen adult grand-children living in Brooklyn. Can you spell urinary infection? As soon as my wife and mother-in-law returned from England, my father-in-law was in the hospital, suffering from dehydration and a urinary infection. It is easy to say that we will visit our relatives often when they are in nursing homes. Most of us have children to raise, jobs to go to, shopping, adult night school, and many other reasons that are part of living our own lives. Plus, it is the American way for families to move to other cities and states, either for employment reasons or to improve living conditions. My mother-in-law was the exception. Not many people spend over 90 hours a week (including traveling time) visiting. Every time my mother-in-law was unable to visit for a long period of time, my father-in-law got sick. Invariably it was dehydration and a urinary infection. It was the same with my step-father. When I was able to visit at least 3 times a week, he stayed healthy. As soon as I missed a week or two, dehydration and a urinary infection. Both my step-father and my father-in-law outlived many room mates. My father-in-law outlived about 15, my step-father about 8. Coincidence? Frequency of family visits? Make your own conclusions.

I think you are describing an assisted living center, rather than a nursing home. In the type of homes that I was referring to, people spend most of their time either in bed or in wheel-chairs. Those that walk, do so very slowly. I am about five years younger than you mother. I'll be 62 in a couple of months.

I can understand you concern. Though I have debated issues with you in this thread and others, I believe we have kept to the topic rather than personalities. Maybe the dictionary definitions do not take into account the connotative definitions. Maybe they miss the falsehoods of some of the leaders of the fundamentalists groups. Let me try to explain. Both Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists believe their holy book is the only holy book. Both Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists believe their holy book should be the basis for the laws of their land. Both Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists believe their holy book should govern dress and morals. What separates the Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists from Christian terrorists and Muslim terrorists is the part that needs the explanation. Muslim terrorists are easy to explain when the person doing the explaining is a Christian and the person listening in a Christian. Muslim terrorists blow things up, cut off people's heads, shoot people and torture people, etc. But Muslim terrorists commit suicide when they do many of those things. Either they blow themselves up or they fight against a military so superior to them, that they are killed in a ration of 20 to one (which is not that much different than suicide). Now what is a Christian terrorist? Christian terrorists are not easy to explain when the person doing the explaining is a Christian and the person listening in a Christian. But, when that superior military is superior because of the weaponry to such a point that the leader of the Christian nation doesn't even try to negotiate, but backs the Muslim into a corner, many see that as Christian terrorism. China does terrible things to its people. I do not hear George BuSh threatening China. China has WMD. I do not hear George BuSh threatening China. Was "Shock and Awe" a form of terrorism? Were people decapitated during the bombing of Baghdad? Did the citizens of Baghdad have any more ability to stop the actions of the administration in control of Iraq than the citizens of NY had to stop the administration in Washington DC from continuing its policies? No. They had even less. Maybe not everyone of our military personal is a Christian, but they are seen as coming from a Christian country. Heck, we keep saying we are. But when we support the killing of people on "the other side" then we are being fanatics about war. When we don't look past what our leaders, who have a vested interest in war say, we are part of the problem. When religious leaders like Jerry Falwell use the power of the pulpit to promote the most diabolical killing machine of all time (Ronald Reagan's MX missile system), that is being a Christian Fundamentalist terrorist. (It was not like the USA could not already destroy the world 100 times over before they built the MX missile.) Many of us do it without being aware of what we are doing, because people who we trust, our ministers and elected officials, tell us that it is right. Some of then even find quotes to use from the Bible, just like Hitler, Jefferson Davis and many other scary characters have done. No, gadgetlady, I do not think you are a bad person. I just think that it is too easy to be swayed by the people who we are supposed to look up to, but are actually evil at heart. I don't think you are a Christian Fundamentalist terrorist, even if you take their side quite often.

Money is the start of the solution. Greed is the problem. Marketing causes the need for greed. Nobody is ever satisfied with what they have. I keep hearing that people have to work two jobs to make ends meet. But the funny part of that is I hear it from people making $10 an hour, I hear it from people making $20 an hour and I hear it from people making $30 an hour. Last week, I was listening to the news and they were interviewing a ball-player who was bargaining to renegotiate his contract. He already was making over $20,000,000 a year, but he wanted $25,000,000. I wonder if we could get the nursing homes to pay more money to the nurses if it would help? I think it might attract more nurses. We need to cut the ratio of residents to staff down to a lower number by state laws and then have pay commensurate to attract enough staff. A problem is that much of the money paid to nursing homes comes from the government and the government doesn't want to raise taxes, nor spend money for this purpose. I think I will go crazy if I hear about them building a nursing home in Iraq. More surprise spot checks by inspectors would help. I was at my step-father's nursing home a few years before he died and I overheard the head nurse telling her subordinates that there was going to be a state inspection on the next day. So of course everything was being made to sparkle. Surprise inspections more often is what we need, but that cost tax dollars again. I guess we can forget about that. I hope we will be able to remember how proud we were voting for the candidate who promised "No new taxes", when we are laying there in agony, our mouths parched, our lips cracking, our skin itching, our diapers soaked and soiled, and our urethra burning.

A fundamentalist is a fanatic about religion. So fundamentalism is the religious segment of fanaticism. Another way to look at it is you can be a fanatic about anything, but a fundamentalist is a fanatic about religion.

5 results for: fanaticism View results from: Dictionary | Thesaurus | Encyclopedia | All Reference | the Web Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source fa·nat·i·cism /fəˈnætəˌsaɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fuh-nat-uh-sahyz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun fanatical character, spirit, or conduct. [Origin: 1705–15; fanatic + -ism] Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source fa·nat·i·cism (fə-nāt'ĭ-sĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key n. Excessive, irrational zeal. (Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. WordNet - Cite This Source fanaticism nounexcessive intolerance of opposing views WordNet® 2.1, © 2005 Princeton University Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary - Cite This Source Main Entry: fa·nat·i·cism Pronunciation: f&-'nat-&-"siz-&m Function: noun : fanatic outlook or behavior especially as exhibited by excessive enthusiasm, unreasoning zeal, or wild and extravagant notions on some subject Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source faˈnaticism [-sizəm] noun (too) great enthusiasm, especially about religion Example: Fanaticism is the cause of most religious hatred. ************************************************** 4 results for: fundamentalism View results from: Dictionary | Thesaurus | Encyclopedia | All Reference | the Web Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source fun·da·men·tal·ism /ˌfʌndəˈmɛntlˌɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fuhn-duh-men-tl-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.(sometimes initial capital letter) a movement in American Protestantism that arose in the early part of the 20th century in reaction to modernism and that stresses the infallibility of the Bible not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record, holding as essential to Christian faith belief in such doctrines as the creation of the world, the virgin birth, physical resurrection, atonement by the sacrificial death of Christ, and the Second Coming. 2.the beliefs held by those in this movement. 3.strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles: the fundamentalism of the extreme conservatives. [Origin: 1920–25, Americanism; fundamental + -ism] —Related formsfun·da·men·tal·ist, noun, adjective Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source fun·da·men·tal·ism (fŭn'də-měn'tl-ĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key n. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture. Adherence to the theology of this movement. fun'da·men'tal·ist adj. & n., fun'da·men'tal·ist'ic adj. (Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. WordNet - Cite This Source fundamentalism nounthe interpretation of every word in the sacred texts as literal truth WordNet® 2.1, © 2005 Princeton University American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition - Cite This Source fundamentalism A conservative movement in theology among nineteenth- and twentieth-century Christians. Fundamentalists believe that the statements in the Bible are literally true. Note: Fundamentalists often argue against the theory of evolution. (See Scopes trial.)

Made my shudder, too.:omg:

That's mighty Catholic of you.

I am sorry to hear about your grandmother. I hope that my post can help jump-start a letter writing campaign to our elected officials. Regarding the nurses; I don't know what their rankings are. In NY, they have changed the old titles over the last few years, but as long as they wear the uniform and want to be addressed as nurse, I don't care what their designation is. They should be giving our loved ones proper hydration. Today, it is the lives of our parents and grandparents being shortened and made miserable by lack of care. Tomorrow it will be our turn to suffer from hunger, thirst and infection.

I must be one of the girls and Tina must be my husband, because I have been catching it lately also.

Part of the tenets of your faith is that you need to share it with others you claim, but I doubt that any of the tenets of your faith is that you need to shove it down the throats of others. When you and I debate, I tell you want I think, and you tell me what you know. If you would express faith as faith, instead of faith as knowledge, we could debate and maybe even argue, but when you are 100% sure of your righteousness, we talk past each other without listening. I and at least one other person in this thread has mentioned that faith is not knowing, that if you know, then you do not need faith. I have faith that the Bible is accurate (lets not debate figurative or literal right now), but you have knowledge that the Bible is accurate. Your proof is the Bible; "Scriptures interpret scriptures." "I feel that you should..." goes a lot further than "I know that you must...". Did you really want to talk about antisemitism in France? Hitler claimed to be a Christian and you say he wasn't. BuSh says he is a Christian who takes his orders from Jesus. Do you believe BuSh? I don't. We can discuss that. Why would you believe one and not the other? No one is attacking your faith. We are attacking your idea that your faith is the only valid faith, because it can be proven. If it could be proven, it would not be faith.

What war has a fundamentist atheist ever caused?:faint:

But he praised Christianity. He said it was the foundation of Germany's national morality.

Hitler made many speeches praising Christianity.

I feel for any LBT Christian who feels ganged up on in this or other threads. Let us hope that those Christians gain a little empathy for the non-Christians, non-Whites, non-English speaking, non-straight people who are constantly being subject to the abuse that many Christians deal out to them in the real world in the name of majority rules.

Ron, maybe you come off to some as an Elmer Gantry, Jim Bakker type. Sometimes one can make a point without bashing heads.

A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog walking beside him had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them. After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight. When he was standing before it he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother-of-pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold. He and the dog walked toward the gate, and as he got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side. When he was close enough, he called out, "Excuse me, where are we?" "This is Heaven, sir," the man answered. "Wow! Would you happen to have some water?" the man asked. "Of course, sir. Come right in, and I'll have some ice water brought right up." The man gestured, and the gate began to open. "Can my friend," gesturing toward his dog, "come in, too?" the traveler asked. "I'm sorry, sir, but we don't accept pets." The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going with his dog. After another long walk, and at! the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road leading through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence. As he approached the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book. "Excuse me!" he called to the man. "Do you have any water?" "Yeah, sure, there's a pump over there, come on in." "How about my friend here?" the traveler gestured to the dog. "There should be a bowl by the pump." They went through the gate, and sure enough, there was an old-fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it. The traveler filled the water bowl and took a long drink himself, then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man who was standing by the tree. "What do you call this place?" the traveler asked. "This is Heaven," he answered. "Well, that's confusing," the traveler said. "The man down the road said that was Heaven, too." "Oh, you mean the place with the gold street and pearly gates? Nope. That's hell."

Saying the Bible is not a literal document is not an attack on Jesus, Christians, or the Bible. It is an opinion that many people have, including I. Saying that there may have beem some political hanky-panky in the editing, translation or compiling of the Bible is also not an attack on Jesus, Christians, or the Bible. It is a fact. Just look at how many versions there are.

All animals are equal. But Pigs are a little more equal.:faint: Actually, the exact quote is: ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS:rolleyes:

Wheetsin: Sorry I left you off the list in my two scenerios.

I think Ms. Rice worships Mr. BuSh.

Like all women can!!