Tired_Old_Man

Here's an Interesting and Surprising Story on Creationism.

He will be back. He tends to leave and then show up again. Are you sure you scared him away? It might have been my invitation to share a drink that scared him off.:heh: I was undecided between Communion Wine and Manishevitz.

I have a grandson who is 21. You can call me Grandpa TOM.:help:

Hi, most people here at LBT call me TOM and I am a Christian, but not the kind that you have to worry about. I hope that no one minds, but I will be reading a lot, and saying very little. I have an old saying: "You can't learn with your mouth open" or more fittingly for a PC forum, "You can't learn with your fingers moving (on the keyboard). I'll pretend to be a sponge and I hope you can bath me in knowledge and opinion.

I was delivered and circumsized by a Jewish doctor, who told my mother that he said all the "right prays" over me. So what if I am Jew? There is room enough in Heaven for all of us.

Hey Ron, do you want to hang out tonight? From the sounds of the posts on the last few pages, I may be the only friend you have left here at LBT. Let's go out and have a few drinks. I'm buying...as long as you wear your miniskirt.

Actually the sky is every color but blue.

Do you think we are opposite gender clones?

TOM dies and goes up to Heaven. He is let into Heaven by St. Peter and is given a special interview with Jesus. "How did you come to know me and why did you worship me?" TOM answers and Jesus says, "That is not a good enough reason to worship and love me. You should have listened to Ron. Didn't you know he spoke for me? He was the only man in the 21st century to understand my requirements. I can not have you people loving me and espousing my philosphies, unless you come to the understanding that Ron is the strong arm of Heaven." "But I tried to..." "Not good enough. Hey Ron, escort this worthless soul to the elevator and press the down botton."

None of you business.

I came to it without believing in the Bible as a literal document. Because you can't do it or because you can not imagine how anyone could, does not mean it can't be done. Do you know how an airplane flies? If not, do you doubt that it can fly?

Are they going to fly "Air Taliban" or "Air Al-Quiada"? Or are they coming in their war ships or air force? BTW, how come your hero, George W. BuSh gave the Taliban $43,000,000 in April or May of 2001? Anyway, I hope t he way of Jesus is not to torture 100 innocent Muslims until we find one bad one. If we do that, we may be creating 99 bad ones. St. John VI, 1-15: " After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias. And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased. And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples. And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat? And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do. Philip answered him, Two hundred penny-worth of bread is not sufficient for them, that everyone of them may take a little. One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him, There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many? And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand. And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would. When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost. Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten. Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone." Just like Jesus, BuSh has Multiplied the terrorist threat by treating innocent Muslims like they were bad. The result has been the greatest recruitment drive that Al-Quiada could hope for. Yes, BuSh has taken a page right from the Bible.

A man is best judge by his enemies.

We are much better than Muslims. We don't saw off people's heads, we just shoot them off with 50mm machine gun bullets and bombs and missiles. By the way, some of the Muslims kidnapped by the CIA and sent to foreign countries for torture were innocent. Over half the people who were at Guantanamo Bay for over three years have been released because they were innocent. A small price to pay for your secuirty? Right Ron? Why do you fear death so much that you are willing to see innocent people tortured to help you survive a little longer on Earth? Aren't you sure that God and Jesus are waiting for you in Heaven?

Ann Coulter also wants all people including congressmen who disagree with BuSh tried for Treason.

I base my faith on the Bible, just not on a "word for word" literal interpretation. Much of the Bible is allegorical IMHO. And don't tell me that it is impossible. Just because you can not do it, doesn't mean that I can't IMNSHO.

Ron is right, Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but he was saving them for a rainie day. That is why he didn't use them in 1991 or 2003.:faint: He did use them in 1988. I think many said "Made in USA" on the side of the weapon.

Most people do not know the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism. People who suffer from an overabundance of Nationalism can not see Patriotism in anyone who disagrees with them.

Ron is right. Bill allowed 250,000 potential unborn babies to be killed at each session with the Lewinski women. Who knows that might be 2 or 3 million potential unborn babies who never had a chance at life in the USA as a child of the president. BuSh on the other hand is only responsible for about a quarter of a million live people's deaths and injuries.

It might be worth it. One moment of pleasure for him, almost two years of sanity for the USA. Of course, Cheney would have to leave office for it to make it worth while for me to volunteer.. Nancy Pelosi might do a fine job as president, she might not, but she can not do anything to top the BuSh fiasco.

The difference with religious terrorists and other types of terrorists, is that (usually), a compromise or bargain can be reached with non-religious terrorists. Religious terrorists can't and don't compromise Example. Let's say the US decided to solve the Palestinian problem by giving a piece of land in Utah or Arizona, 10 times the size of the disputed land, to the Palestinians and to build villages on the land to suit the Palestinians both as a group and also to individual tastes. By that I mean, they would built towns with modern conveniences for those Palestinians that want a modern life. They would built towns with a traditional appearance for those Palestinians that want a traditional life. And everything would be free at US taxpayer expense. The US would also built homes to suit all the individual tastes of the people being moved to the US and also Mosques and anything else to make the area of Utah or Arizona (or where ever), look as much like where they came from as possible. The Palestinians would say, "NO!!". They have to have "their land", because it is in their Holy Book that God (Allah) made a covenant with their ancestors (the same people as in the Old Testament) before Judaism and Islam split. And the Jews would say the same thing to a similar offer. NO!! They have to have their Holy Land as per their Holy Book. How can the dispute about the area around Jerusalem ever be settled, when religions shrines of Judaism, Islam and Christianity overlap? There seems to be only two possibilities. Make everyone happy or make everyone unhappy. How? I guess making Jerusalem an open city with an unbiased international police force might work, if an unbiased international police force could ever be found (which I doubt) or the use of one especially "dirty" nuclear bomb destroying the disputed area and making it uninhabitable for a millennium, might solve the problem. I know that is ridiculous, but there is no compromise because each group points to his Holy Book and says, "this land is my land". Note: I am not espousing the use of a nuclear bomb to settle the problem; just using it as an example of the intransigence of the people involved.

It all depends on the definition of terrorist. Most US citizens define terrorist as someone without a uniform, usually not representing a country, but a group instead, who plants bombs or hijacks airplanes. But that is a limited self-serving definition. The French resistance would have been classified in the journals of history as terrorists, had the Axis won the war (WWll), but since the Allies won the war, they are regarded as freedom fighters. If one realizes that "Shock & Awe", the campaign waged on the citizens of Baghdad to start the Iraq war on March 16, 2003, was definitely terrorism (even the name screams it out loud), then anyone who supported the Iraq war is a terrorist supporter. What could be more terrorizing to a civilian than planes, invisible because of the darkness of night and invisible to radar because of their "stealth" design dropping bombs on your city? Why was the campaign conducted at night? For the safety of the pilots? Of course!! What could be more terrorizing that the current program of breaking down doors of private homes at 3am to "root" out insurgents. I remember when we (my wife and I were visiting my mother-in-law and brother-in-law) when we heard the report that the federal building in Oklahoma City had been blown up. After a while, the TV commentator said, "Well at least in wasn't terrorism" when they found out that it was a white man with blue eyes and a blond crew cut. WHAT? Because he was a white Christian, rather than dark Muslim, the act was not terrorism?

If God permits.

I am almost three times your age, so I must take my leave for the night to get some beauty sleep. See you in the 'morrow.

The free thinker can usually defeat the repeater of dogma, however, with so much money and power behind the repeaters of dogma, it is getting more difficult. The repeaters of dogma (RoD) are constantly trying to prove that their new and improved literal translation/interpretation of scriptures has always been true (and of course has never been changed), much like Winston Smith in 1984. The reason is simple, how can one claim that scriptures is literal when people were imprisoned and executed for saying the Earth was a sphere or the Earth revolves around the Sun? It is so much easier for the RoD to say that the context was misunderstood when the Bible said the Earth was round. There are many examples, but the idea is always the same; blame it on some individual or some mutant sect of Christianity, never the scriptures themselves. The Inquisition, Salem Witch trials, and so on and so on. Some Christians RoD's talk so lowly of Catholics, that I guess the RoD is hoping no one remembers that after about 325AD, Catholic and Christian were just about synonymous until Martin Luther came along. Years ago, a computer programed to play chess was no match for a chess master, however as time has passed the computer is now the favorite. The same can be said for the war between the free thinker and the RoD. There are web sites that an RoD can visit with pre-prepared instructions and arguments to use in trying to prove unscientific dogma. It doesn't have to be true, because while the 10 Commandments contain “Thou Shalt not Lie”, the RoD and these support sites have no qualms about hiring scientists to falsify evidence or make cases that all, but scientists with Ph D's in that particular field, can not refute, leaving the free thinker out in the cold.