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And don't forget the emails where she gives recommendations for CDs and books. She earns a commission every time someone follows one of the links she sends out and buys something.

I don't either, to be honest! When you get a couple of really good friends, though, and send multiple messages to each one every day and they send you multiple messages, it adds up fast. And yes, the deleting's a pain in the rear. I wish the damn page would display more than it does.

Hi! I think I'm the one that originally posted the link. The mix is Whey Gourmet Chocolate Peanut Butter. You can buy it at Netrition.com - The Internet's Premier Nutrition Superstore! under the brand name PVL, or at Bariatric Eating - Protein, Vitamins, Gastric Bypass & Lap Band Info, Post-op Recipes, and Help (a little more expensive, more shipping cost, and can take a while to ship). It's a little expensive, though, so if you want to try it before committing to an entire jug of it, PM me your address and I'll get a sample out to you ASAP.

To add to my original post without going to the trouble of editing it: I am an advocate of people going to Mexico, as long as they do their research. I see so many people on this site that decide to go to Mexico for surgery and just seem to pick a surgeon out of a phone book, or based solely on price, or because a friend of theirs had a decent experience. And they pick bad surgeons. They don't research the surgeon thoroughly. But, I guess you could also say that about a lot of people having surgery in the US.

Abortion rates same whether legal or not - Women's Health - MSNBC.com Thoughts? Feelings?

Ah, that reminds me of my family, one of my uncles, to be specific. His comment wasn't about my weight, though. I got an internship on Cape Cod at a wildlife refuge in the summer of 2004. Well, the summer after that (the next time I saw this uncle), he hugged me and said, "That was so great! I never thought you could do it." I was like, "Gee, thanks, Uncle Ed." On one hand, he was complimenting me, because I impressed him, but on the other, he had freakin' low expectations of me!

I have to either have something hot in the morning to open myself up or wait a few hours before eating.

OMG, so am I.

1. Like WASa said, you were only referred to in the first two of those quotes. And yeah, I don't think a lot of anyone who, instead of simply ignoring threads they don't want to read, decide that they want to restrict everyone else's access. But still, you were referred to in only those quotes. We were actually talking about other people the rest of the time. 2. If you want to go back to discussing that other thread, I'm sure it's somewhere in the depths of RnR.

Look, I'll be super honest, here. Thinking back to when I was at OH and when I've read since then, I don't remember Sandy or Wendell starting most of the stuff. Most of the threads and posts that are clear in my mind were started or posted by other people. Sure, Wendell made posts, and so did Sandy. But the fuss wasn't made by them, for the most part. I don't think it's correct to state that either one is responsible for affecting the board. They weren't. Most people ignored their posts. If there was a specific person that you didn't like or didn't agree with, you either ignored them or put them on block once it became available. What really affected the board were the threads and posts made by other people. It made it an intensely uncomfortable place to visit, simply because it wasn't just one person that you could block. You could go into a thread that seemed harmless from it's title, and it would be someone bitching about someone without every actually stating their name. Of course, you still knew who they were talking about. It was stuff like that that really affected the board. Protein posts didn't, since as everyone knows, people aren't alike. Some people wouldn't do well with protein drinks. Other people do just fine or even wonderfully (just look at WASa). I think most of the people at the board knew that. I can say, as a new bandster and a pre-bandster at the time, the protein posts and candy posts and so on weren't what bothered me. My nutritionist told me that what works, works. As long as you are healthy, losing weight, you're happy, your doctor is happy, and your nutritionist is happy, who cares if you have a mini candy bar or a protein shake?

THAT would be a major problem. Her credit score is probably in the dumps right now. I don't think you'll find a credit agency willing to take the risk. And if they do, they are going to charge astronomical interest and fees.

Thank you. I think we both got a little overly pissy, with tempers riding so high. That's all I wanted, an acknowledgement that what Sandy did was wrong. If you want the links to the stuff she did, WASa can probably help you. I've seen the stuff, but I didn't keep the links. I mean, I can personally attest to her taking an abstract of a scientific article, adding on to the conclusions section, and then posting it and literally saying that the authors of the article made those conclusions. I've seen the licensing report thingies from where she lost her RN licence (she was never an NP). I don't pretend to believe that Wendell is perfect. Believe me, we don't agree on many things. But I don't think that anything he did justified what Sandy did. And honestly, she was already committing a crime by claiming to be licensed way before they started clashing. So yes, consider the hatchet buried. I think we can definitely become friends. Well, as long as we don't discuss anything to do with OH. I seriously hate that place.

Ack! I can't believe I forgot about this thread! Hi, guys!

Look, can we just try to bury the hatchet? I really try to be nice to you, sometimes, because like I've said in other posts, you have been nice to me. Some of your posts just come across as being passive aggressive. And honestly, that puts my back up and makes me want to make digs at you. I'd rather someone be completely aggressive towards me than passive-aggressive. It's one of my touchy pet peeves. If I'm misunderstanding your posts, I'm not the only one. I think that's something that's been setting a few of us off. But if I am misunderstanding your posts, I apologize.

I'm seriously sorry if I'm appearing that way to you. But the fact is, I was hurt by your actions on OH. You may not have been overtly "mean" to me, but your actions didn't appear the way you intended them, I think. The posts that you meant to be funny and tension-relieving really felt like sarcastic jabs. And at the time, it felt like insult on top of injury. So yeah, I'm a little wary around you.

Look, I'll be upfront with you. Totally, completely honest. You don't have to say that OH sucks. It has a few redeeming factors. Very few, IMO, but I can understand someone liking the place. The fact is, though, Wendell WAS a victim. Was he a perfect angel with spotless behavior? No, and NO ONE here has said he was. But he was a victim. Sandy victimized him the second she wrote the first PM that she sent to a newby, telling them that she supposedly had his medical information. IMO, yes, Sandy is the devil. Or at least a severely disturbed, narcissistic woman. You don't have to admit that she's the devil to admit that her actions were WRONG, illegal, and immoral. That's all we're asking here, for someone to do that. So far, though, all we've gotten is "I talked to her about it" and "yes, she's responsible." It's not enough.

Thank you for this. It really was appreciated. It goes a long way to relieving the resentment I felt. I do have one issue with it, though. What you did to me wasn't "calling someone out" or "asking me publically." You attacked me. Like I said in either this thread or the other, I even got PMs from people that were close friends of yours, apologizing for you, because they felt you went way over the line. It hurt and it was extremely humiliating. I had been a member for close to a year. I didn't post every single day, but I wasn't a lurker, either. What shocked me was that you felt like it was your right to treat me like that, like it was your responsibility. So yes, I do really appreciate the apology. I just wish I didn't have to publically post about the whole thing to get it.

EXACTLY. All we've gotten is "yes, she's responsible." And honestly, that makes us think that either people just don't understand HOW BAD the stuff she did was, or they just don't care.

My responses are bold and black.

Well, jeeze, you should have spoken up, then, when that group was attacking everyone in sight. You didn't. To me, if someone doesn't speak up against the bully, they might as well be the bully. And no, sitting around and cracking jokes about the bullying doesn't count as speaking up against it.

You do realize that when addressing the members of a group, you generally referred to the members in the plural, right? I wasn't speaking to just you. I was talking about my general frustration here. And lastly, if you want support, go to the freakin' support pages. The Rants and Raves forum isn't about supporting your fellow bansters. It's about RANTING and RAVING, for Pete's sake. It's right there in the name. I don't get why it's so hard for some people to understand that. And Chelle, that statement wasn't referencing just you, in case you were wondering. We've had LOTS of people that don't realize that RnR isn't a support forum.

Don't let the folks at the office give you any grief for "failing to pay your bills," PC. They can't do ANYTHING to you, since you've only failed to pay for a procedure that you haven't received. They can't go after you for not paying for a surgery you've never had.

I thought I would chime in here, too, since I'm one of the younger bandsters here (I was 23 when I had surgery). I definitely agree with the advice to make sure she's ready for all the changes that having surgery would bring. Make sure that she knows she HAS to make those changes. I also think that her timeline is a little out of perspective. She may lose fairly quickly in the beginning, due to her size (larger people tend to lose weight faster at first), but she will probably still have a long way to go when her prom rolls around. Plus, she'll likely have loose skin to deal with, also. You need to make her realize that banding isn't a walk in the park. She'll have to severely limit liquid calories like ice cream, she'll have to give up all carbonation, she'll have to eat very small meals, she might be limited in what she CAN eat, she may have problems PBing and sliming, she'll probably have to deal with unsightly skin (few bandsters have genes for skin that bounces back to the point she would probably want), and she may face teasing due to her new habits. But, if she accepts all of those, and is still interested in having surgery, I wish you and her the best of luck with it.

So am I. No one wants to rant and rave, apparently. Figures. Once I get the first chance I've had all weekend to get online, everyone leaves.

I had restriction immediately after my first fill, but it was VERY little. For example instead of eating a piece and a half of lasagna, I'd eat one piece. I could eat bread, pizza, whatever, as long as I chewed very well. I could still gulp.