anonemouse

With all due respect, Wheetsin (and you know I do like and respect you), we did attempt to take the higher road. I don't think it's immaturity when someone actually responds to a post that specifically mentions their name. But responding to a post that specifically mentions someone's name isn't all that has been happening, either -- not by a long shot. There have been a lot of "pokes" and "prods" in a lot of different manners. True. But, that has always gone on. Even you've participated in the threads where we vent over posts that irritate us. And honestly, no one had to prod sweethazel. If you look back at all of her posts, her very first posts were attacking. We didn't provoke her. We didn't need to. WASa PMed you guys multiple times about sweethazel and Lizrbit, sending lists of the threads where she was harassed by them as proof, but nothing was done, not even in the form of a reply to her. In 100% honesty, I have my PM box opened in a window next to this one, and I do have PMs from both of you, but outside of the ones that have transpired very recently (last day or so) I don't have a single one that references this issue. At least not back thru... 9/19 (going back to around the time I accidentally deleted the post you started about the person on OH). I'm not saying the PMs weren't sent - perhaps they were and I didn't get it for some reason. I dunno. All I'm saying is that I do not have them. I don't know if the other mods are reading this thread or not, but I can't speak for what they did/didn't receive. From what she's told me, she PMed Alexandra. You virtually confirmed to me that Lizrbit and sweethazel are the same person. If I did this, it was unintentional. I do try to refrain from putting too much information into PMs (easier to do than it might seem), and perhaps this makes my message ambiguous or vague. Looking back at what I sent I can see how you would interpret what I said as an unspoken confirmation, but I really didn't mean it that way. Even so, I think it's been proven in this thread that they are the same person. In one post, she says that she's looking into the band, but she's made posts in the past where she's talked about her experience post-banding. I'll bet a hundred bucks that she got her accounts mixed up and posted with the wrong one. You made posts, also, after I asked you for IP comparisons and after sweethazel/Lizrbit had a conversation in a thread, talking about how odd you found it when people with two IDs had conversations with themselves. I think the members that are the receiving end of the harassment are entitled to react. No one said don't react. I would - and I may speak for the other moderators here but can't guarantee it - prefer that people react and take care of their own issues. Hence we will tend to let lots of little hiccups run their own course, as they usually do. The best part of being a moderator is when you don't have to moderate. I think both sides could have reacted in more productive ways. Obviously I don't think anything horrible has happened, hence you all still have accounts here. But I do think there has been a lot of immaturity and I do think the situations could have been handled very differently. We ignored Lizrbit and she came up with sweethazel. We ignored sweethazel and she kept posting. I'm sorry, I don't like being slandered (libeled?) and attacked from out of the blue in a thread. And I don't think I should be the one to have to put someone one block because I'm being attacked. Let me ask you this: Would you tell a person being stalked and harassed in RL to "just ignore it?" Eventually, something has to be done about the person doing the stalking. No, I wouldn't tell someone IRL to ignore it, but I see the two concepts as apples and oranges. If that much similarity, even. E.g. -- someone following me in a car, parking outside of my house, already being there when I went to pick up my children, etc. would concern me a lot more than someone posting irritating/pointless replies to my posts on a messageboard. I would feel the same, except when I've posted personal details on that message board, and there are people on the message board that know my physical address and my full name and could figure out where I work and go to school very easily. It creeps me out. If she wanted to find me, she could. So yes, I take this very seriously.

And yes, I will admit that the "snoopy dance" thread was a little immature on my part. But, like I was telling someone via PM, I personally feel that I was entitled to a bit of an immature response after finding out that the person that was stalking and harassing WASa and myself was the very same person that made completely and utterly unfounded harassment accusations against us and then made a giant fuss over blocking us.

Oh, I know! It really is laughable, in a weird way. Pisses me off sometimes (and sometimes kinda scares me, when I think of the lengths people will go to), but then I just have to take a step back and laugh, especially when I consider how much it would piss them off.

Yeah, I hate Apple. They just aren't organized in a logical way for me, I guess. With Windows, I know where to look for stuff. For me, they are much more user-friendly (when you discount their propensity for viruses, at least :guess). I like Dell, but I've just heard so many negative comments about their customer service. I dunno. I can get a discount on both Dell and Gateway if I buy them through my university computer store (12% for Dell). I may just do that.

So what dogs do you have?

And I've decided that I must have Windows. I despise Apple computers after having to use them to design my high school yearbook. Horrid things.

I'm really leaning towards either getting another Vaio or getting a Dell. I have hard feelings toward HP since they merged with Compaq, since my old Compaq Presario bit the dust after less than 3 years of use. But I do love my Vaio, and they come in pretty colors now, too.

Yep. If I don't feel like cooking, I'll just pop a peas in butter sauce or brocolli in cheese sauce Green Giant in the microwave. They usually last me 2-3 meals, at least.

Yeah, that's what I figured the case would be. Damn. I just like the way the Alienware computers look, for the most part. The most I would be doing on it is internet, Excel, Word, etc.

So am I. Does it have anything to do with your puppy dog issue?

Very true. Most kids under 14 generally have the same tastes, or usually just want what their friends have.

Why do so many bandsters set their goal weights so high? I mean, many of the ones that I've seen aren't anywhere near a healthy weight. Yes, it might be healthier than their starting weight, but it still isn't a normal weight. Is it a fear of failure? Is it because the doctors set their patients' goal weights high in order to fudge their weight-loss statistics? Why not aim for a healthy weight? Why aim for a weight that is still considered to be "obese," in many cases? I can understand someone deciding that the weight they are currently at is one that they feel good at, but I just don't understand making the logic of "well, I just wouldn't look right if I weighed less than X pounds."

I'd love to get money (or at least gift cards) as a gift. That way, I can get what I want, or at least put it into savings. Hell, I'm a poor grad student, and I can always use extra cash, especially since I'm currently paying off this surgery. Half the time when I get gifts, it's not something that I want or could use, in the first place. I mean, the thought is there, but this stuff just sits around until I finally give it away or throw it out. To me, cash or a gift card would probably be more meaningful than an actual gift, since gifts usually just show how much they don't know me or my tastes.

I have to agree with everything you said. I knew going into this whole process that I would face criticism from people. From thin people that thought surgery was the easy way out, from people heavier than me that thought that I shouldn't have surgery because I wasn't as big as they were, from my own family because they were scared for me. I was sick of being fat, not being able to do the things I wanted to do, etc. But I also felt a little ashamed that I had to go to these lengths to lose weight. I would just tell them that it is something that we all feel, and that it's not anything to be ashamed of. Yes, you'll probably run into nay-sayers, but you are doing this for yourself and for your health and future.

You should see me trying to buy furniture. I get so neurotic over it. I'm stingy in a lot of ways, at least when it comes to the really expensive stuff. I have no problems dropping $300 on a pair of binoculars (I'm an ornithologist, I know I'll use them and love them - plus I researched for weeks before deciding on a pair that was the best you could get for under $1k), but buying furniture makes me nervous. I'll find something that I LOVE and then talk myself out of it, mainly because I'm afraid that I'll spend so much money on something and then decide that I really don't like it in a week or so. Same way with other major purchases.

Fingers crossed!

I've never gotten money either. I've picked out my own presents on Amazon, shipped them to my parents, and received them on Christmas, though (they're technophobes). :biggrin1: My parents have no clue what to get me, so unless I actually pick something out, they usually give me the usual stand-bys of fuzzy socks, flannel PJs, and a shoebox full of paperback novels. My brother is usually guaranteed to give me Bath and Body Works products and a DVD or two (usually nothing I actually want to watch, though). It's easier and a lot less painful for all of us if I just pick out what I want and have it shipped to them.

That's what I've thought about doing. But, I think I'll start with the building management and go up from there.

Exactly. It makes no sense to me. I can understand forgiveness to a point, but I think that cases like that far surpass "forgiveness" and enter into stupidity.

One thing I though of, and I head about this back when that Amish school shooting took place, is that the Amish believe in complete forgiveness, to the point that if you try to have someone punished for a crime, you haven't forgiven them. Personally, I think that's going too far, in the direction of "everything must be forgiven." The case that I heard of was where an Amish girl was raped and molested as a child by two of her brothers. She wanted to see them punished by the law, as they should have been, IMO. Instead, she was the one shunned by the Amish community, after one of the brothers was convicted and jailed, because they felt that she should forgive her rapists and live beside them in harmony.

I'll second that!

With all due respect, Wheetsin (and you know I do like and respect you), we did attempt to take the higher road. I don't think it's immaturity when someone actually responds to a post that specifically mentions their name. WASa PMed you guys multiple times about sweethazel and Lizrbit, sending lists of the threads where she was harassed by them as proof, but nothing was done, not even in the form of a reply to her. Is it a surprise that eventually people get tired of being stalked and harassed? You virtually confirmed to me that Lizrbit and sweethazel are the same person. She's been allowed to sit there and stalk and harass the other members of this board. She made up another SN to harass WASa and I after we ignored her. When something like that doesn't end, I think the members that are the receiving end of the harassment are entitled to react. I know I feel like I can't go and post in any thread I would like to, for fear that I am going to be attacked. Hell, it's gotten to the point that I'm scared that she's going to find out my address. Let me ask you this: Would you tell a person being stalked and harassed in RL to "just ignore it?" Eventually, something has to be done about the person doing the stalking.

That the same link I've got?

Dude, wait until you're on the receiving end of the wackjobs. It's SPECIAL. I mean, hell, it's so fucking out there that it really gets entertaining sometimes. :faint:

It does help a little. :paranoid