Kat817

Oh BG you have it backwards that is where your problem is....you must not have read the "The NEW Child Support version 2.0" memo correctly. You have 1 (ONE) 8 year old child. In order for the "New Child Support version 2.0" to work correctly, and allow the children to support you. You need 8 (EIGHT) one year old children...... So sorry you misunderstood this. Guess you will be like most of the rest of us, and have to be responsible parent....that sucks.....but you WILL be in good company!!!

HERE!!!!! Sent you all an email, will let that suffice for my morning post. Terry got your message, and I have no way to explain the feeling, but the closest is just plain fear. I want him to CHOOSE to leave, so he leaves here ok with us. I think I fear him going postal basically. There I said it. I see him slipping, tho no one else says they do, so maybe it is my past seeing things. who knows???? Anyway I do not wanna be on one of his lists........... BBL--laundry calls.

Hey all~ Alive and well, just blah. Went for a ride, got cold, gonna go take a nap now! Will check in later. XOXOX Kat

Never thought about the correlation of age leaving home, and family size. Son left home at 18, went to work before leaving high school, and has worked steady ever since. Oldest DD left home, married, and moved with the Army to Hawaii when she was barely 18. She actually graduated HS her Junior year, and had several scholarships--from Who's Who Among American High School Students, BP America, Masonic lodges.....she used them too!!! She DID move home for 3 months with her baby when she divorced, and bought a home that needed some remodel work. She lived here, worked, and worked on her home at night. She moved in with nothing!!! Now it is a home again! Youngest DD, took a trip to Europe immediately after graduating HS with her Grandpa!!! She come home, went back to school, married a few years later, is still taking classes, just bought a home and had a baby a few weeks ago. I love my kids to pieces, but do not care for them to live with me again!!! Now that they are adults, they have their own way of doing things, and they do not always mesh with my own!!!! I am VERY proud of the people my kids have become, they are productive, and kind. As for the topic of the thread, I will say, I am really glad that Dr. Phil or the public outrage or whatever is finally hitting, and octomom is taking some steps to be responsible for the situation she is in. Accepting the Angels help, and removing the nails, both are positive steps forward amid a spiralling fall backward for so long.

Yes, she is going to need the help for years to come, not just til the children are mobile as was mentioned before. Just taking a wild guess here, and running it through my head (I probably should get up here and grab a calculator!!!) 24 hours in a day - say 6 to sleep - 1 to shower and prepare herself - we will give her a short school or work schedule and say 5 hours a day doing that with travel time - and with just those things half the 24 is gone, and she now has 12 hours left to study, run the home, and nurture 14 kids. I am sure she will have help with laundry and meals---but she too should be involved in doing those things--she CHOSE this, to be absolved of all responsibility in it, teaches her nothing. I know many of us would like to see her seriously punished---but even those who of us who do not want punishment, should agree that she needs a dose of reality. Life with 3 kids means there are days where you never find time to dress and are dealing with sick kids all day. And there were times that it felt like I always had a kid with a problem of some sort or another. I mean there was always a loose tooth to look at or a sore throat, or a scraped knee, or all kinds of other things, that they each DESERVED to have noticed. And because I was working, even tho it was here at home, it felt sometimes like having time to look at whatever it was, as well as the homework, and the progress reports to sign and return, and on and on and on. There was always a slip to sign or pictures to be bought, or lunches to pack, and with 3 they preferred different things--but I knew what they liked. I was licensed to have up to 8 kids, as long as there were no infants, and 6 if there was one infant, and to have more than one infant, eliminated my ability to have older kids. This was state licensing guidelines I had to follow. So I ran between 6 and 8 kids. I had to include my own until they began school. Even with that it took me awhile to remember that Megan did not like carrots, or Jordan hated milk-------and work within the perimeters and not make their days miserable because those things matter to them. To imagine doing that with an additional 8 babies, is totally mind boggling! Eventually those babies will grow up, and I cannot imagine her still doing it alone. 3 of my own, and there were still quick trips to the school for something that was forgotten, and birthday gifts grabbed on the way to the party and dropped in a gift bag last minute! Can you really imagine doing it with that many kids?? I am sure part of the difference in my thinking it cannot be done alone EVER, and the fact that it might be able to be, would be the type of life the kids had. SHE had the kids--SHE should be the one taking care of the young kids, not the older ones. I think kids should be able to participate in outside activities, sports, lessons whatever---and to cheauffer (sp?) 14 in all the directions that would require, would eliminate that option. Kids should be able to have friends besides their siblings, and have them over and to go to their homes---it would take a person better than I to remember who went where I would guess! There is more to having a good life than simply having more.....whether it be kids, or toys.

green we have been in touch, so you know my thoughts are there with you. As for the hair....none on my back that I can see....and I think if there was any on my knuckles, it may just be getting rubbed off now that my knuckles drag the ground!!!! LMAO and the upper lip......seems good to go, no 'stache there!!

I found myself part way through school, with a baby, and divorced. I chose to care for other peoples children as opposed to putting my own in day care. I did that in my home until my DD was starting junior high. At that time, I moved it out of my home, and turned it into a business. Through the years, I continued school at night, when my parents and her father could help with my DD's care, eventually getting my degree, specializing in early childhood education. During the 20+ years of providing day care, there are many different types of parents out there. Some should never have had children, and it shows in their kids---they are the ones who do not bond with a provider or a teacher, they are leaders or they throw fits, and the only lessons they get in playing are at day care. No one interacts with them at home, they do not learn to interact with others. Most of the parents I had were not willingly away from their kids, it was financial. They were forced to work, either as single parents, or in lower income jobs. Dead ended there, because they were gone all day they did not want to be away from the kids all evening as well, and usually money did not allow them to continue their education. Government assistance was not available because they made too much for that. It is a huge catch 22. Then there were the occasional ones who worked because they chose to. They felt confined and unchallenged being home with children all day. Some of these were in the long run some of the best parents I saw. When they were off, the kids were the #1 focus. I have seen full time, SAH parents, where kids were sent to play and not enjoyed at all. That is equally as sad, and they fall into the should not have had kids category!!! Finding safe day care IS a huge issue. Which is why even tho I sold my day care almost 10 years ago, I provide care for my grandchildren. That way I know how they are being cared for! My DD is divorced, so she has no option but to work. My DIL has decided a home is what she wants, and the best way she can get that is to increase income. But the care the 2 kids get when they leave here, is very different....just as described above. As for Octomom. If she tried to use anything less than specially trained care givers, and something horrible happened to any of the kids, all hell would break loose. Which is a good thing! She needs the magnifying glass to remain on her at all times, and in all things. She has proven repeatedly that her own judgement is not the best. I think the extra lengths they are going to are wonderful for the babies. Anything that helps them to thrive is great! That was one of the things they told my DD with my granddaughter was to ALWAYS hold her in one way to feed her, in an almost upright position. So we ALL learned it! That they are taking this time and effort is to be commended. Have to wonder if they will send all the nurses to get acrylics put on, so the touch through the gloves will be the same!!!! I don't care if it costs a quarter million a month to support them, if her donations can cover that. Better to spend it on the care givers than on Mom.

Mine fell out a light blonde, and straight, and come back in darker blonde/ light brown, and parts are kinky curly, others not so much. ***Warning!!!! TMI ZONE Warning!!!!!*** But that was the only thing that really grew back in. I no longer have to shave my legs or under my arms but maybe once a season, and that is only just incase there is a straggler. And as for the "rug", alas she is gone too. Thankfully, DH is not one that finds that a bad thing--it is not a personal choice, it simply is how it is now. I did regrow eye brows and lashes again. However, my ENT said there is not normal hair growth in my nose anymore. And the hair on my arms is almost non existant.... Wierd, makes me wonder what other parts of my body this all messed up!!!! Sorry.....but greens comment hit home!!! Kat

I am of both sleep categories.....hmmmmm does that make me bi-sleepual???? I want dark and quiet! Rick likes the TV on!!! Now if he is gone, I want the TV on-------go figure. I am good once I can get to sleep, getting there is hard for me. Jane, I did not get to watch the program you mentioned, but have a question for you about it. Apparantly there is something they are figuring out how to operate on in the brain to help with weight loss? My question to you is, if that is true, do you think your brain surgery might have had the opposite issues, and made it harder in the long run for you? I would be back to my high weight and higher I know if I lived alone!! I am not a good will power, and answering to myself kind of person!! Knowing if I buy ice cream or have 2nds that someone besides me will know it curbs me. I have total respect for you doing any part of this without anyone watching!!! LOL, I really sound pathetic!!! LOL HAPPY BIRTHDAY JENN!!!! Hope this turns out to be a wonderful year for you!!! Will be waiting til the trip is much closer, and til we have a better idea of the work situation to buy mine. Our local Conoco Phillips did a big lay off yesterday, as well as Superior and Halliburton. It is happening quickly now. They usually have a big surge here in April, with the weather change, and start the busy season. The economy combined with the new "pit rules" for drilling, are clamping down hard here. There are lots of small independent drilling companies, that still had to use the big ones for frac jobs etc. Which is part of Ricks job, but with the new pit rules, it more than tripled the cost of a small drilling job, so those companies fell like flies, and with them, the jobs they did. Not looking pretty around here. I have my Thursday lunch date with my friend Marie today, so I need to get up and around and get some things done. I am making lasagna for dinner, Manda is celebrating the removal of her PIC line. As well as the news of her Kansas friend moving back. So Kinsey and I will be making lasagna this afternoon. Judy is Grady nursing better? Pamela, not that you will need any help at all--but maybe tax day will distract things!!! TracyK-send me some inspiration. I have finally quit gaining, but losing is not happening either. Sshhhhhhhhh be vewy, vewy, qwiet......my hives are getting much better, maybe the steroids will actually go away!!! Ssshhhhhhhhh.....don't let them hear that! Hugs

While a CNA might be capable, for you or I, going home taking care of 1 baby, without the baby being a preemie, and without the eyes of the world upon you, it will not suffice for this situation. There are things full fledged nurses, especially those who specialize in neo-natal issues, know and are able to do, that a CNA cannot. There is a reason for the additional school, and thus the additional pay. Possibly one of the first things they learn in their advanced classed on neo natal issues is that once a preemie, always a preemie. It will figure into their lifetime care! Not only their care til they get home or the magic 5 pound figure which is not in use in most places anymore... I am sorry Patty, I truly do not mean to pick at you, but that blows me away that you are a CNA and actually even with the training you have received, only perceive the babies to be preemie until they reach a normal babies birth weight! THAT alone tells me why they need full fledged nurses with additional training. The kid I grewup next door to was a miracle baby, he was born under 2 pounds in 1959, and lived! The couple next door to us adopted Mike, and he thrived. However when he was 15 and on the school bus, he passed out, quit breathing, the whole 9 yards. We lived out in an oilfield/gas patch plant which was 96 miles away from a hospital---and the school was over 50 miles away--so the bus driver managed to get his heart pumping again, and in the end at 15 he had to have a pace maker! Was a result of his prematurity. He has gone on to become an old man right along with me-in fact our oldest kids were born on the same day....he had 2 more. But to this day his pace maker is a result of his prematurity. It did not go away because he is the same size as other men who were not preemies! As for octomom, I understand the outrage that she too will benefit from the help she is receiving. But I do sincerely hope the help she is getting will extend to her and see that she has someone to talk to so that she does not go out and try this again, there has to be mental issues at work. And that is not something people choose to have, same as being bi polar--it isn't a choice, and telling them to cheer up is not going to work. Without help, her simply suddenly seeing what a mess this is, is not going to happen. Makes me wonder, if this might not be some sort of mental illness spurred on from the first birth maybe caused by some manifestation of post partum. This situation will put her under a microscope with many professionals around. Maybe she too can get the help she needs to see this as the most of the rest of the world sees it. And see fit to make sure she does not slide back into the breeding side of things. Nothing has been said about the Dr. lately, but I bet he is not off the hook yet either. I would hope not, I don't care if he implanted 42 each time, or the purported 6----it is unsafe, and he has lousy screening processes, he is part of the problem without doubt!

I would imagine the care the children will be getting will be from no less than LPN's not CNA's. More like specialized RN's. And even here in Podunk where I live, a CNA makes more than $10 an hour. These are special needs children for the most part, including the previous 6-------whether those needs means physical or emotional. They will need special care, in order for those providing her with the help to cover themselves legally in helping to care for these children. IF she had properly cared for the first 6, then she might be able to handle them, but I seriously doubt that. What is it you are proposing Patty, that the nurses and the infants exist in another area, and she only care for the older kids? What about her schooling? Why should the older 6 get the shaft? Haven't they already? She has shown that she could not combine caring for the children and going to school, and raising them ON HER OWN. The kids behaviour suffered, and her parents were burdened. Financially as well as physically tiring them. So if you basically double the figure you come up with for additional care for the older kids too---it is pushing $60K. I imagine there is additional help for the household, and that would include the other things the Angels are providing. But I would be seriously careful about the gloating, more often than not, those things jump up and bite ya in the ass in the end. This story is far from over----and a leopard does not just up and change it's spots....she was selfish when this started, and she has not changed yet. I have said all along, that selling out was the only thing that was gonna keep her off the welfare rolls--and I am fully believing she is still on them. Is she paying for her babies hospital bill? If not, then she is still a burden on society. While she gets her nails done up all purdy!!! Puhleeze, she is as much a leech as she ever was. Of course, as usual, this is simply my opinion....and we know we do not agree on the subject. If Dr. Phil -- or someone equally in the light, and capable, and trustworthy, would make sure those kids were well cared for, and safe--I could go the rest of my life without seeing or hearing about her and not feel as tho anything had been lost.

Hi girls~ Been running around like a chicken with my head cut off so far today! We had plumbing issues again as I said, I think Rick got it fixed. Keeping my fingers crossed. Met him in town for lunch, and went and met up with Manda at the Dr. They are actually doing a test on her. She was to be admitted tomorrow for the PIC line to be moved, her skin was breaking down around the site. They said due to the potency of some of the drugs that had been administered (which I personally doubt....) But anyway, they removed it. They did a blood draw, and she has blood drawn every 2 days for a week and if it remains normal, she does not have to have a new PIC line!!! They upped her oral antibiotics, and are totally impressed with the healing. Her home health care nurse ask her about donating some of her supplies to a local senior who cannot get their medicare plan to pay for some things. So she went over to the womans house tonight. She met back up with Kinsey and I at my Moms, she was so happy to help the woman, and is going to go over and help her to make sure she is ok with her meds. I have dinner in the oven. House is semi cleaned. I plan on doing nothing tonight!!! LOL Will check in with you all later. TracyK.....I might have to drive to TX and stuff you in a crate to take to Alabama, I am gonna miss you! Suzanne, my shirt is in my closet, and I am praying it still fits me when the time comes! I need a fill so badly! I am sooooooo ready for short sleeve shirts again. Ricks friend is pushing me, and I am ready to push back. I heard Rick talk to him, and now he is acting to me like Rick never said anything, going on about how his ex is having trouble getting help to get the house cleared out, and he is sure hoping it won't be as long as she is expecting it to be. I told him, you have the papers, take possession! He is scared to because he has already been in trouble......Rick is going to have to just be blunt....Time to move on! He has taken to the habit of just walking in my house! Oh no way!!! So I have to lock my doors. Well it is beautiful out so my front door is open and in he walks. I lost it. I told him even my kids knock----need me to teach you how? He was shocked I could tell! Now to be honest, my kids do knock---they knock and walk----but he is NOT my kid. I am a woman at home either alone or with children---he will NOT do that! Better shut up I am getting worked up.....again!! TracyKS---glad no one was hurt in the wreck. I had a wreck one time with a car full of Navajos---seriously a Gran Am and there were 9 people in it!! They ALL said I ran the light---even the infant who was not in a proper car seat and the 7 year old who was buckled with a 34 year old on her lap! Thankfully there were witnesses not involved or the Navajo cop would have stuck it to me! Anyway the address for the insurance was Joe Blow Begay (ok no Blow) 1/4 mile East of the Gorman Store Chinle Arizona. The owner could not write, and they had to messenger everything out for his thumb print!!! Worked out ok in the end thank goodness! Will see y'all after dinner!!! XOXOXO Kat

Jane you might check into it, but I have a friend that her brother was in prison, and they could send books and other things from a company. For instance they could buy him magazine subscriptions, sent directly to him, or newspaper delivery direct to him. Even a local stationery store at the time, would send packages out from the business. They sent him art supplies that way. Are you allowed to send him cash? I know you don't have tons to spare-------but it is my understanding, that the more you have to "work" with inside, the better off you are. They would send Jack (her brother) $$$ and it would go into his account. Sorry your family is in such turmoil over it. I was right, Rick was on a jury concerning a stolen dirt bike! Stolen from a cop. But the only "evidence" was his word, and one of the defendants turned evidence on the others, but there was nothing else. They found him not guilty even tho they all felt he did it, there was no proving it..... He SWEARS they picked him because he was reading a motorcycle magazine!! LOL I am off to bed. We are having plumbing issues. Guess I will either rent a roto rooter thing tomorrow or call a plumber....see what Rick decides come morning. Going to hope it is cheap!! See y'all tomorrow I don't understand why he is in such isolation. Is is because they fear he is a suicide risk? My ex was in for all kinds of crap, and he was never isolated like that.

LMAO Lu--I read this on my email as opposed to opening it up, the first thing I read was Acts 18-- and I thought we had our resident bible quoter in the room.....then I read the rest of the sentence!!! LOL

That I think is an excellent question since she commented several times on her student loans, and getting her education so she can be gainfully employed. It is one of the biggies that I think needs looked into---where the student loan money has went, and to be sure it cannot be bankrupted in the future--if they can be...I do not know much about them to be honest. But enough to be of the thought that if it is a student loan....it should be for a student in school, and used for school related items--tuition, books, etc. I had an employee who worked for me part time, and went to school, she made several thousand more than needed on her school GRANTS! Not money she ever had to pay back. She bought new leather furniture with the excess the year she worked for me, irritated the crap outta me and I told her so! LOL

I complain because my neighbor has 8 cats!!! LOL I never meant to say Dr. Phil doesn't call 'em like he sees 'em. But we will just have to agree to disagree on him....I find him extremely condescending. Kind of like some of the judge shows on TV--like his mind is made up his way, and there is no other option. Now I did not know he had pre show interviews, so that makes more sense, he has already made up his mind, and possibly with reason. I still think for him to act like her selling the babies pics etc. is wrong, then to go around promoting HIS shows with her and clips from the kids etc. But I will admit, I might be coming at it from a distorted angle with my view of him, since it was not formed from this case, I felt this way prior!!!! LOL

Just got a call from Rick....rather cryptic. He said his advice is to take nothing to jury duty, just sit empty handed, twiddle your thumbs and look stupid! He got picked for a jury. Now if my memory serves me, he left here with a Cycle magazine to read while waiting, so if that is the case, and he is blaming the reading material--the case must have something to do with motorcycles, which is right up his alley. But would explain his "take nothing" attitude!!! Hamburger is thawed.....now to decide what to do with it. It snowed again this morning, not much, not like Judy gets, but it is cold again!!! And I am not liking it one little bit! Well I am off to make a cake, yeah I know....but Rick takes his lunch and eats in his office, so I send most of it with him, but the grandkids always expect to have something here to eat too....and I can usually avoid it better than some sweets!!! And I am going to have to build a fire--------grrrrrrr

The article above states the owner is carrying the mortgage. Nowhere in multiple articles concerning this has it said the home was bought outright, they always refer to a substantial down payment. Mortgage=loan If I was her Mom, I would be a frequent, and helpful visitor, but I would in no way move in and allow her to again assume I would take over. I love my children, and I love my grandchildren. I take care of 2 of them while my DD and my DS & DIL work. I do it because I love them, I know what kind of care they are receiving, and it helps my own kids financially. I do not however do it free of charge! My kids pay me. They do not know that every cent is being put right back into the bank in accounts for the kids, with my name, and the kids on the savings accounts. But to allow them to leave the kids here free of charge, does not help them develop responsibility for the children they chose to have. Would be the same reason I would not move in if I was her Mom. Especially after her telling me to Get over it.....I would!!!

Roadhouse......liked the movie, what's not to like about a movie with Patrick Swayze and Sam Elliot both in it??? Even if it is just for eye candy---ya gotta leave the volume up so you can hear Sam Elliot!!! Everyone sees movies so differently! Last year, there was a group of us who met up at Fuddruckers in the mall and had dinner and while there the fact that There Will Be Blood was showing. Since most of our group has connections to the oilfield in one way or another, and this was touted as an epic saga from the discovery of the drilling of oil or something along that line----we all left, and hit the movie. There were 4 couples, and 3 singles. And some loved it! One couple left midway totally bored, others complained non stop following it. Personally I was nonplussed with it. I was of the crowd that the popcorn was better than the movie. DH kept thinking he got different messages out of it regarding greed. One of the couples we went with, recently ask me if it had come out on DVD yet. I realized I didn't care, I wouldn't watch it again. I will likely listen to it again, as I do something else, DH will probably buy it! I feel the same when I read what others thought of some of these movies!!! Just goes to show you cannot trust reviews, we all like different things!!

The number 14 a day for nurses makes more sense to me than 12 to assume the entire care rotation. And face it ANY that are experienced, and provided will be better than the way she was acting like it would be done! There needs to be enough to include the older children in the care. I read the People article linked above by Beth, and I'm sorry, but if a small child is internalizing or externalizing (?) to a point of SADNESS rather than anger--they need more than 10 minutes of being held and holding her. They need steady reassurance, by a constant in their life. Ideally that would be their Mom. But ideally Mom would recognize that the 10 minutes she so lovingly devoted to him and him alone, is not gonna be enough! Puhleeze! I also think Dr. Phil should cough up his share, he is riding the ratings--------we get all angered up over her exploiting the kids-------yet he exploits them, her, the entire family and because he already has a show and spouts his psycho babble all over, he is ok to do it? Not in my book!!!! All the while saying she should not.....doesn't quite wash. He should title his next show Do as I Say, NOT as I DO!!!!! LOL Then again, thats JMHO!!!

My DH had a teacher pinch his cheek to the point of bruising, because she thought he was puffing them up with air.....but he was still a baby face boy with cheeks. He hates to see or hear anyone refer to baby cheeks needing pinched! I had an algebra teacher in 7th grade, turn his class ring to the inside of his hand and smack me on top of the head with it. Because I was not grasping what he was attempting to teach. He was stupid enough to tell my Dad that he was trying to jar it loose and see if there was a working brain in there. He thought he was joking, my Dad did not and brought him in front of the school board for it. He did not lose his job....I did have a different class, AND an enemy in the school in the form of a teacher, and even in jr. high that was scary to me! But I also have wonderful memories of other teachers. Off to the surgical center, my Mom is having surgery on her hand this morning. Now it is time to go wake up the granddaughter again. Her Mom brings her in sleeping, and puts her to bed here, and she is NOT a morning child!!! MIght go see the Dr. myself, everytime I breath deep deep---I get a debillitating sharp pain. Thinking my congestion is not getting better---might be time for pharmacuetical intervention! Have a great day everyone!

Getting myself up and ready to go to the surgical center. My Mom is having her hand operated on this morning. When she bends her middle finger, it stays bent, she has to pry it open, and it is painful, so they are fixing it this morning. Not sure that I will be of any help, since I will have Kinsey, but I will be moral support--and someone for Dad to talk to while she is actually in surgery. I am about ready, needed to print out an envelope so I can mail a payment today----then need to go get the girl up. She is not a good early riser! She grouches her way in to the day when not allowed to wake up on her own!!! LOL, she can go back to sleep in the car on the way over. When Rick just left for work, it is cold and reallllllly windy out there. Lovely! I come in,and chose clothes for both of us with that in mind. Think we will do a ponytail day as well, and avoid windblown looks!! So, will check back in with you when I get home later today. Oh yeah, Rick survived round 2. Although one of his supervisors got laid off as well as 4 guys at the same level. So still holding our breath. He is on jury duty, and says he hates that---the last thing they need to know is that the place can survive without him!!! LOL Talk to ya in awhile.

That would be so hard----I cannot imagine the interviews to hire one---let alone 12!!! Wonder how the dynamics worked out to the # 12. I mean if they were working 8 hour shifts.....that doesn't appear to be enough to my way of thinking. But I would have to sit down and take more time figuring it out, than I care to do at this point tonight!! Hope they are good people, and good to the kids. Scary thing to trust your kids care like that, at least for most people.

I hope he does too, because I would bet he lies awake in the middle of the night wondering why in the hell he didn't say "____________". But when faced with it.....you just want to please. Not to compare us to dogs, but if you will notice a drunk who kicks the family dog---the dog doesn't bite him the next day, he licks the guys hand-----begging for love. It leaves the person (me in my case, your DH possibly is his) feeling shameful that we are begging. Yet not to feels like failure too. Wierd dealing with emotions......so sorry you are going through the crap. I hate that the woman is so manipulative-----it is a sucky situation, and one that none of you deserve.... Hang in there, and if you need someone to talk to, or whine with, or moan and bi#*h with---PM me, and I will send my #. Kat

OK, FINE!! Count me in, I will start tomorrow. Would do it today, but Rick is off, and we are both sick. Would prefer to take the granddaughter and do it tomorrow, than to convince him, it will not kill us to go outside!!! LOL 3 times in the next 5 days---I WILL do it. Thank you for keeping on this....I need it! Kat