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My son has a huge English Bulldog, and he thinks he is a little boy.....so maybe they all have identity disorders. Then again their little boy, thinks HE is a bulldog....walks around (often on all 4's) sniffing everything. Thanks for the site Lu......I will do a rescue when the right one comes along, but do not want to add to ones sense of abandonment, if my allergies kick in. Luckily with the little pug, he was so used to the entire family, he adjusted without issue. Talked to my Mom a minute ago, and he is in trouble, he got on my Dads end table and helped himself to the ice cream Dad left there. Ate it all but the nuts. Which in and of itself would be bad enough, but my Dad is diabetic, so the ice cream is sugar free, and it tears up a persons digestion and causes gas, so Lord knows what is gonna happen to the dog! She said she put him in his kennel while cleaning things up and if Dad had a kennel she would put him in his too!!!

Michelle, I feel my fill. My tea is slowly sliding through.....slowly, and I have drank maybe 1/4 of a cup!!! I always do this swelling thing tho. My plan and this is with the Dr.'s full agreement, is to do something similar to the 5 day pouch test following this fill. I may even stretch the liquid mushy thing out to the full 5 days. I don't want to start an evil cycle of PB/swell/PB/swell. So gonna just see how it feels, when the liquids feel like they pass quicker I will move on, but not til then! Guess I will go hunt up some protien powder, so I can at least maintain my health, but would prefer to do it as much as possible with food, but thinking, not much food gonna be going in for a few days!!! TracyK---wish I knew how to help. Oh crud, got side tracked, and never got this posted!!!! Better late than never I suppose! XXOX

My DH is extremely casual at work, and they supply his clothing! He gets jeans, and can have polo shirts, or button down, and they even offer tshirts, but he usually opts for the first 2, long sleeve button down through the winter, and polos for the summer. The polos we can get in 5 or 6 color combos all aligned with the company, and sporting the logo. If I wash, dry and hang, there are no wrinkles to deal with! We have 2 hampers---one in the bedroom, and one in the bath, when they are full it is laundry time, sometimes that comes more frequently, other times it takes awhile....but that is the guage!! And I always do the laundry! Then again he works 10-12 hours a day, and I don't! As for ironing.....very rarely!!! If we are dressing up---to go out, or to a funeral!! LMAO My hands hold the iron about as often as my feet hit the heels, special occasions only! Got my first fill yesterday after being unfilled for almost a year! Next month would have made a year! Did really well until my last surgery for a twisted intestine, and have had issues with hives, and been on steroids since then, and packed on what I thought to be about 30 pounds, the Dr.s scales said it was 24.5. Nah, I know better. So I am avoiding my scale completely for awhile. I am on liquids for a few days, going to slowly baby my pouch back into this, and do a lengthened version of the 5 day pouch test. Jump start it, and get this weight back off! Sucks having to do it twice!! He said the steroids, along with the diet he put me on following the intestinal surgery set me up for failure. Gee thanks. Drinking warm tea, and it is a slow go.....I always tend to swell following fills, so gonna take it really easy! Lu, that pup is adorable! I want it! Never heard of a Morkie, I can see it is a cute blend. I know little to nothing about either breed, other than they are cute. Are both breeds non shedders? That is what I need is one that does not shed, for allergy issues. Anyone have any suggestions? I am about ready to turn my heart over again. I fell in love with my granddaughters little pug she tried to get us to keep, but my allergies could not take it (which is part of the hive issue --- pet dander) So he is living with my parents, and being spoiled beyond belief! I expected it of my Mom, but my Dad is the one! LOL Off to read some threads, I have so much to do, and don't wanna do any of it. I am not afflicted with Taps need to clean attitude! My house is tidy, and I know it is clean, I know all the surfaces are washed, as am I, but I feel no need to deep clean all the time!! Too bad, I could use some of the dedication to it!

I am home, safe and sound! We had some snow packed roads and drove in snow for awhile, but nothing too bad. Got my fill, he was not smug about my weight gain, he actually said for a year unfilled, with the surgery in the middle, it was not bad....shock! I have the 9.75 band that holds a max of 4 cc.'s and he gave me 1.5, water is a slow go today, but I figure part of that may be that I ate lunch prior to the fill and that can make it extra tight for the digestion time he said. So happy to get back in the right direction!!! Judy, when my parents celebrated 25 years, they planned a trip to Hawaii, and the month before they left, my brother was critically injured, and was actually still in the hospital long after they had planned to go. So the trip got put off. They ended up going for their 35th or something, and the tour guide at the Fern Grotto, included them in a marriage vow renewal! They loved it. Then they went back a few times when Manda lived there--we all did!! Was the only affordable way to do it frequently! If you get the chance to ever spend time on Oahu hit the Polynesian Culture Center, and the International Market Place. They also have an incredible flea market (although it is all new items through vendors---not used yard sale type sellers) at the Aloha Bowl football field. We spent most of our vacations on Oahu because that is where they were based, but I loved Kauai the most, for the tropical feel. The year the hurricane hit it, my Aunt & Uncle were on the island!! But all in all I had the most fun on the beaches of Maui. I wish I was going back with you!!! No sign of the guy out back. He has no idea where we went today---we left before 7----and just got home, I am sure after I have been so mad at him, he is concerned....makes me smile!!! Well I am exhausted, and going off to bed. Will catch up with all of you tomorrow. Haydee, so glad you are home and had a wonderful time!!! We listened to a Sue Grafton book on the way home---so Ifeel like my bedtime story has been read to me, time to sleep!!! Feel better Jenn! LOVED, LOVED the pics Pamela!!!

I can't believe I forgot to tell you this! Manda called me tonight, to tell me she was taking her Father to the hospital, he called her needing a ride to the Dr. She ask why, and he give her a list of issues, so she went over, and she took his BP, and it was 254/142!!! His legs are swollen like twice their size. So she took him to the ER, they admitted him to lower his BP, and Dx'd him with cellulitis in his legs. He smokes and drinks like a fish. And says very plainly I guess that he has no intentions to change that. I was so totally pissed off! I told her I think every parent wants their kids to be better off than they are, and wants them to be better, well her Dad should be happy, because she is MUCH better than he will ever be! He never, not one single time come to see her when she was in the hospital. He called her one time, and that was to see if I would drive her sister home so he didn't have to drive to town. I told her I loved her dearly, but if she lets him talk her into recuperating at her house, I was going to be very upset, and very VOCAL about it! She assured me that wouldn't happen. Anyway, I am doing my best to not think or wish bad thing on him, and remembered him in my prayers, that he heal well----his kids love him. Lord knows why but they do. Now I am off to bed. Hugs!

Don't know if you changed something or not, but the link worked for me....a little wierd, but it worked. It pulled up the recipe thread, on page one, and paused then reloaded and took me to the direct link of the allrecipes post. Busy day here too, we cleaned the back porch! I LOVE it, I can get to my lawn swing, and patio furniture, and have a place to sit and surf outside while Kinsey plays. We went and played --- if you can call it that --- softball for awhile, then went as a group to Chilis and had dinner. Was fun. There was not enough of us to make 2 teams and play, so we just took a position, and one at a time went up to bat, hit a couple dozen balls, then rotated, so everyone played all positions, and had a good bat workout. We laughed till my belly hurts, add that to the running after the ball and stretching muscles that have been totally 100% dormant for the winter, and tonight I can hardly move! The wind is blowing hard! It is blowing in a storm, looks like we will have an interesting trip for my fill. I am so excited, and completely resisted the urge to have a last supper!!! Speaking of which, my to go box is in the car, gotta go get it and put it in the fridge. I have went all day without seeing the guy out back! He has been using the shop like I say, he hangs out in there, because we have a TV and all in it. Today when Rick cleaned his trailer parts off the porch----his comfy place to watch TV was obliterated! It is now a storage area with a half built trailer in it, and all the parts. The shop was built with that in mind, and I told him, it is my porch---your shop---NONE of it belongs to him, so take it back, and we did!!! Our son spent the day here, with Connor. He actually tore our grill apart, and cleaned it completely! Looks new again! Then he went and played ball, and as sad as I am about the fact he felt the need to leave his marriage, he was so much like his old self today. It dawned on me, that when they are here together, he can do nothing right. He either does something wrong with Connor, or he ignores her, or something, it was always something. She would complain about how he laughed or how he let Connor see him smoking. And yes, I know his smoking is not good, but to hide it??? It won't change anything. I just hadn't realized how grating that was to me, to hear her whine non stop about something he was doing wrong, or detailing all his shortcomings. I am realistic and know he has them, same as we all do. Was nice to have him here and not feel like a referee. Ideally, they too will see these problems and work through them. But the selfishness, and immaturity they both have, I honestly don't see it happening. They will either go back to how it was, or go their separate ways..... Well, I am going to go finish watching Brothers and Sisters, and go to bed, we have a long day on the road tomorrow. 6 hours there, and 6 back....in good weather. I'll try to check in when I get back. I am going to do the 5 days following the fill on the basic idea of the pouch test. I think for as long as I have been unfilled it might be the best plan to go really slow! Next month will make a year with no fill! It shows. I saw pics of myself, and I miss being thin. I did it---I really was---and I WILL be again! Talk to ya tomorrow night! XOXOXO

When Rick had the talk with the guy out back, he told him he needed to look for another place to park his trailer, blah, blah, blah. I did not hear it all, I left. Today he told him that he is going to need full access to his shop and the trailer moved by next weekend. Point blank. Then he said when we left the girl who house sits for us would not be comfortable with a man out there, so it would only be a few days difference anyway. He says, no worries, he would watch our house. So I butted in (was soooooo pissed, will tell ya why in a sec) and said no, she has done it, she is doing it, it is time! And I left. Becky come and got me and I left. I was FURIOUS! They are out back with another couple of guys from work, one of them is who Rick did the brake job for, and another is brainstorming the chopper with Rick. I have not even went out to say hi to any of them. Rick knows I am back. I am not cooking today or any other day until he is gone, hope Rick can survive on sandwiches! If not he knows how to use his debit card. I told you I had the Roto Rooter guy here. He roto-rooted out the roots, then he put some root killer in, and said for it to work best it needed to sit in the line 6 hours or so. So ok, Rick is at work, and I was headed to town to do my stuff, it would have plenty of time. So I typed to y'all and left. Well then my Dad who was here this morning with me (did not want a strange plumber man here alone with me, so he come and stayed!!! Gotta love my Daddy!)come back up to the house to get some clippers that Rick had welded for him. Well Dad being Dad, left the back door unlocked, he never locks his at home. And years ago when I changed my locks here following the move, we had our locks keyed the same so we could have access with out keeping up with spare keys. So then the guy out back comes in, finds the back door unlocked, and proceeds to do laundry. Flushing $92.50 worth of chemicals out of the line. I come in saw that and was friggin furious. So I needed to yell---so I began moving these totes (thinking he would offer to help and I could yell at him) from the attached garage to the outer shed which is a metal shed next to the shop, and has noisy doors etc. I moved 6 large totes, the box with the Christmas tree, and 3 or 4 trips of other boxes and junk to the new storage area for them. Banging the metal doors maybe 6 foot from where he was in his trailer. He never showed his face. Minutes later, Rick pulls up in his car which literally purrs---and closed the door, and out he comes! I did the ol finger across the throat motion to Rick and he got the message. I told him, if he is not gone by this week, I will handle it and call the police, I have had my fill. Now if he goes postal and kills me, I will probably be better off than if he stays and I go postal and end up in prison! Terry, the little town I live in (Aztec) has about 6500 people. We are only about 7 miles from the next town over (Farmington) which is closer to 100,000. Why do you ask? Rick has one more day of jury duty---the 31st. He was actually supposed to go on Monday, but he called and since he has actually served on a jury during the call up they excused him over the phone! Yay!! I did not want to drive the snowy mountains alone, but would have for this fill! Glad your sisters are better Suzanne! We have talked to 2 other people today who went through the DWI checkpoint and one of them was given grief just like us! We live in the county seat, so we have the local Sheriffs office as well as the State Police Headquarters in the area, and the 3 towns worth of cops----a total of 5 different entities that work together on the DWI task force, doing these sobriety checks----and I think they all try to out tuff guy the other one! Well, I am going to find myself something to eat. I guess my husband is going to STAND in the backyard and BS with these guys all night. grrrrrrrrrrr Talk to ya soon!

Hi girlies~ Technically Terry, I do not cook for him (him=the guy out back!) It works like this....Rick works all day, and so I do my best to have dinner for him soon after he gets home. Well guess who just happens to pop in to talk to him, and ask about everyone at work, and tell him about what he found out on the job hunt etc. at that time.....yep, damn near every night. He senses when I am at my limit and hides out elsewhere, I have not seen him in a couple of days now. Of course I haven't seen him, I had to dig up the sewer clean out this morning, could he have been around to help when something needed done....oh heck no! So the sewer fix we thought we had last week, was not fixed, it backed up again last night. So the plumber just left----and I feel incredibly poor. I called about renting a sewer auger, and there is a waiting list that could be as long as 2 weeks! I cannot wait 2 weeks. Everywhere else wanted to come on Monday-------we are going to CO for my fill on Monday! I have been unfilled a year next month! I have been operating without a band for a year, and it shows, I want my fill! This guy come within 45 minutes. He is a Roto Rooter franchisee guy, they have the warranty on the line remaining clear for 30 days....so I figured wth--------I HAVE to have plumbing! So now I am off to Lowes to buy a cover thing the guy told me about so I can easily access the sewer line, and add chemicals through the growing season, to help prevent this. The plug was caused by roots, and my house is old, so the lines are not plastic, so the roots get in around the fittings, then they block everything gross from passing. So this kills the roots.....and eventually possibly the tree. But it is $3-4 K to replace the line. So with the job the way it is, and finances the way they are....the poor tree might have to suffer. Hate it, but it is what it is. Back to the guy out back---------Rick said he is telling him when he sees him on these days off that he needs to clear out the shop, his parts are all in, and he is ready to start assembly on his chopper, so he needs the room. Plus he is doing a brake job for a guy at work today---it is in exchange for some work the guy is doing for Rick--but if times get tight, Rick can do side work out of the shop. But this guy has his trailer parked in the drive to the shop, and is plugged in through there. He even had the nerve to use this bar Rick has hanging in the shop he used to hang extension cords on, to hang clothes on. That pushed a couple of hubby's buttons!!! LOL Anyway he says he is telling him it is time to move on. We'll see. Rick is one of the kindest people you will ever meet. He feels like he is kicking someone when they are down, and lets it go....but perhaps it has gone long enough now! I better get to Lowes....will check with all of you later. Smooches ona cheeks (what Kinsey says to her Aunties)---she sees them do the double cheek kiss on TV and thinks it is so cool-----she always wants smooches ona cheeks!!!

2 in a row....2 nights we have gotten a bike ride in after work! It is supposed to be yucky this Sun. & Mon. so we won't make any records, but it sure has been nice! We rode in and grabbed a bit of dinner, thus avoiding me cooking for the guy out back! Not to mention it is really nice to relax on the bike. It is still a bit chilly as the sun starts down-but it was up into the 70's here today, and was still in the mid 60's during our ride. At one point today I walked outside to do something, and realized the temp had not changed from inside---to the point I come in and looked at the atomic clock/thermometer thingy, and sure enough it said it was 74.2 degrees both inside and out! While I was looking at it, it changed to being 74.0 outside, but it made me laugh anyway. Coming in tonight on our ride, we come through a DWI checkpoint. The cop even made ME remove my helmet and check my eyes----I was not driving! I was of course sober as could be, but what a crock--------putting my hair up under the helmet, and doing it on the bike on the side of the road sucked! He was an ass too--------went closely through all our paperwork, the registration, and insurance. Rick tells him they are in the trunk (this bike is a full dresser)....he told him, "step off the bike to the left-- keep your hands in view" Then he hollers "What do you have in your hand?" Rick tells him really sarcastic like "the key?!" He give him the papers and the guy got all jumpy and questioned him when he reached for his wallet for his ID--he doesn't keep that in the trunk! Then he made me remove my helmet, ask me my name.....meanwhile cars are backing up like crazy! So he tells us to proceed, so Rick drove up and pulled over, and another cop said we could not park! We told him we had to stop to helmet up again! Good Grief, would have been less trouble if we had been drinking I think!!! Well I am off to chat with my hubby while it is just the 2 of us!!! Weekend on its way! Then yes Terry on Monday I get poked!!! Well to be honest (close your eyes Michelle) I hope to get poked before then, but NOT by the Dr.!!!! And I also hope NOT to pull a Laura!!! Talk to y'all later! XOXOXO

Monday is my day too Michelle! I looked at the weather, and it might be a challenge! It is due to be raining here, which means the mountain passes between here and there, will be snowing and likely snowpacked. The big pass we go over is scary as hell this time of year because so many are out for spring break, and not used to driving in the snow---yet wanna be snow bunnies for a week. Oh well, Rick is going to take me, and I am SOOOOO looking forward to it. We used to love taking road trips together, and lately we just don't get them like we used to. More often than not, we have his folks to haul to TX, and when we run to Denver, his sister wants to go....and now with the constant addition of the guy out back, going away together sounds wonderful, even if it is through the snow to get poked!!! Today I get to spend a fortune between the insurance office, and the MVD. yuck Not to mention, try to entertain Kinsey while there for who knows how many hours (MVD), they are notorious around here for being slow as molasses. Good Luck on your trip Laura. One word for you....Kegels! If you are finding yourself dealing with issues before delivery, after could be worse!!! So check with your Dr. first, would not want them to bring on early labor or anything, but ASAP, do them!!! If it ends up it was a one time thing, then no big deal and we will just tease you about it in Alabama when we see ya!!! LOL I know what Pamela is talking about, but almost went and looked to see if y'all learned anything I didn't know!!! I slept for almost 12 hours, and am still exhuasted. We went to bed at 9:30! I got up at 5:30 long enough to put Kinsey back to bed, and went back to sleep until almost 9. Then someone rang my doorbell, and I thought it was the guy out back, so I ignored it, then heard a car door!!! I had heard them open my screen, because I guess he thinks I am deaf, and if I ignore his ringing he bangs/knocks. But it wasn't him afterall!!!! Was some woman in a green car I did not recognize. So I went to see if she put a note or something in my door, since I heard her open the screen, but never knocked, and there was my newspaper, and an envelope that said TO RED. She had the wrong house, she wanted my neighbors....Red & Connie! So I let them know it was here, and got myself up and going, who knows how long I would have slept if she hadn't shown up! Well wish me luck at MVD.....I mailed the stuff for the tags on my truck in Feb. it has never arrived, so now I have to show where I paid, and the check cleared, and file papers for a replacement, since I never received them. And pay in person for the tags for the van so we don't go through this again! See y'all laters......

SnT I also thought of Munchausen Syndrome, in the way she is doing all this to attract attention to herself. I know several here have expressed a belief in mental disturbance of some sort. I don't know if Munchausens Syndrome leads to Munchausens by proxy where you make someone around you the target for attention as opposed to yourself or not. Or would she continue to do something to garner the attention herself? I read a book several years ago by Jonathon Kellerman, that centered around this disease, and was amazed by it. I have since wondered about several people!!! Good Point!

LOL, we actually walked out of Last House and ask for a refund, along with about 4 others----not something I would ever recommend, and not because it was gory---just a pathetic remake in my opinion! Everyone sees things different, this just proves it!

I hope Monday when I go in for my fill he sees that I am in the black hole and shuts it up for awhile!!! The chart is on the wall in each exam room, but he has always ask me a series of questions, and looked at my weight loss, and discussed with me what to do. If anything he has pushed for me to try more restriction, when I preferred being loose. I have been 100% empty since last April, almost a year, and it is catching up----so time to FILL ER UP!!

Maybe it is YOU Judy!!! Maybe the pastor thinks if you leave you will take the congregation with you.... That would be a hard thing, and I know that you knew it might happen, same as being married to a lawyer or a Dr. that they have professional secrets! But with my personality, it would KILL me! I went nuts til Rick could come home and tell me about his jury case!!! Which he got paid for today $64.00 . And it was NOT on his check, and he coded it in as jury duty, so I guess the company is no longer paying while you do your civic duty. So that was a bust in the paycheck, he usually makes a bit more than $60 for 3/4 of a days work. He went on in and worked for 5 hours on a problem they had that day. So I realllly had to wait to hear. Judy try to make him talk in his sleep!!! No I know better, but it would seriously be hard for me! I do not find it hard to keep a secret at all, but to have one kept from me, even in the form of a wrapped gift is just killer! XOXOX

I learned early on that following through with any threats/promises made to children and consistency were of MAJOR importance. I once made a joking comment, to my oldest...she did not want to eat her diced carrots, and we both knew she had to at least try them, I thought teasing her might help so I told her to eat them or I'd stuff it up her nose. She give me her defiant look, and blew them out into a kleenex, choosing to EAT the next bite as opposed to it being administered nasally! My DIL threatens, never following through, I get so tired of hearing her threaten to spank him, I am almost ready to do it myself and get it over! Makes me crazy! And she is all over the place with discipline, one day she ignores him jumping on furniture or playing with the computer, the next she screams at him. It is no wonder he is such a handful, he has no bounderies he recognizes, and is free falling. If you say NO to something on Monday, say it every other day of the week as well! My 2 oldest had serious problems at first with curfew. They were in HS and had a 9-10 PM curfew on weekdays and midnight on weekends. They would push it.....so would be grounded. Was an evil cycle. So then we finally laid down the law. For every MINUTE they were late, they owed Dad and I an HOUR of labor. Due when we wanted it, not them, too bad if it interfered...don't be late! We used a wind up alarm clock sat it on the hall tree outside our room, set for midnight. If they got in, they turned the alarm off and all was well. If they were late, the alarm went off and time started! As a parent of a kid, I slept light enough to hear them sneeze or roll over with the door closed. Now I am old and alone, they could come in and ransack the house and I would wake up the next morning going WTH????? I take back every nice thing I have said about my oldest DD, she just strolled in with GS Thin Mint Cookies, she is EVIL!

Hi girls~ Kinsey and I are off to town---escaping home pretty much! We are going to get Rick's check in the bank, have a park play time, and hope he is gone when we come back. Rick told him point blank last night that he had to be out before we leave for TX, that we have a girl housesitting, and she would be uncomfortable with him out there. He did not sound happy, but he didn't argue like I thought he was going to. Hope he goes soon. Well Mom just called, she has this cold crud, so I guess Kinsey and I will take Dad to his eye appointment, they are planning to dilate his eyes, so he will need a driver. So I better go get dressed!! See y'all after while!

Wow! That made my youngest sound estranged, and she is far from that, just very self sufficient. She does not ask opinions or for advice, she never has cared what anyone thought. She is however loving, and works hard to keep she and her siblings in touch with one another. And every gift she gives is handmade one way or another. She is an accomplished and profitable artist! Not to tie this in to "another" thread, but they all left home at 18 and were either working full time or going to school, and married. They did not dilly dally....which is something that would STILL cause my oldest to roll her eyes if she heard me say....so I do it just to irritate her. Wonder where she got that trait!!!

I had 3 teens at one time, and all 3 were totally different! Son was a wild child. He went to live with his real Mom for awhile due to us not getting along, and she helped a lot---taught him how to get high and escape life. OK maybe she didn't teach him, but she smoked with him, and made it all out to be ok. Luckily somewhere in the back of his head, apparantly lessons were deeply embedded, because now he is a clean, productive, kind, generous father himself. We tried all kinds of discipline with him, but in my opinion we gave up way to easy, and allowed him to go to his Moms when we shouldn't have. Our reasoning at the time was to get him away from friends here, and not to influence the girls anymore than necessary, and to keep those friends away from the girls who were 1 & 2 years younger than he. Wish we had handled it differently. Oldest DD was an angel until she turned 17. Prior to that, she always had a housefull of kids here, she was an honor student (in her defense, she remained good in SCHOOL), a cheerleader, active in sports, would help out in the day care and the kids loved her---she was awesome. Then she turned 17. And something took over her body and mind! I think she smelled freedom! She lied, she smoked, she quit sports, and had a steady boyfriend (who became her husband soon after graduating), and yet she was in there! She told me she and the bf were going to planned parenthood. I too had always talked to her about anything and told her she could come to me and she did. Was wierd! So then I had the "This is my house not a motel" talk, for when I was away from home. She graduated as a junior, she had excellent grades, applied for and received numerous scholarships. The only person she really changed to was me! Since that time, she has reverted to a good kid! Even tho she is not a kid anymore! She is without a doubt going to pay for her raising with her DD tho!!! Youngest DD, was quiet, had a friend or 2 was all, very artsy, into being different, and shunning all that was popular and "in". She did not want to work for me, she did not want anything, so she could care less about earning $$. She would rather scrounge a pair of vintage tenny's from Goodwill than buy the Nike everyone in school was wearing! She had a very independent attitude as a young child, it never changed, and is still the same. She never lied, (within a normal person range) she despised smokers, she did enough school work to scrape by. I worried when she was young because she never had the attachement the other 2 did with us as parents, and still to this day she is that way. And it still worries me, and upsets me. But she is happy and healthy, she is married with a new baby, and they own a home, and are productive citizens--just ones that don't need us! I do not envy y'all in the teen years, things change so fast. I thought my older DD's eyes were on slot machine spinners she rolled them so much! Good Luck to all of you!

So possibly the babies are not as healthy as we are being led to believe. The more likely fact is, that they have seen how her older 6 act, seen how she does not interact with them, and finally they KNOW the scrutiny this case is under and are covering their asses. That way if one of the babies is injured, or neglected, they cannot be come back on for not providing the best. I have seen Mom with the older kids, and what it reminds me of is like when you put say one year olds in a room together. They do not play together, they play in the same space, and want the same toys, but they do not interact with one another yet, they simply do not have the social skills yet to do so. She holds them against their will, and says things to them that they do not even blink in response to. Some sort of disassociative disorder maybe---I am no expert, just discussing what I see. Patty I say you relate to her, because you ALWAYS tell us why she does things, how she feels, and it is always because you or your children did or felt the same. At least that is how I read your posts. And the loving God I believe in, would never have punished her for donating those embryos to a couple who could not create their own. To ME that would have been the loving response as to what to do with the embryos, not bring another child--and she knew damn good and well it would likely be more---into the world that she could not care for. I agree that the preemies Mom was likely told what to do with them, but she has exhibited to them, that she does not always do as she is taught or told. They had to do something, and in this case something EXTREME to protect these babies, from the environment they are being brought home into. Our healthy preemie granddaughter went home with her Mommy AND Daddy without nurses as well. She went home to a nice nursery, and a quiet calm atmosphere, same as she had at the hospital. There was not 6 loud and often angry older children, some of whom are totally out of control, as well as another infant, ALL needing and deserving of care. There was one baby and 2 adults minimally at all times, not counting the visits and help with meals and such that loving family and friends provided. She, as a SINGLE Mom, took home 2 preemies, with the chaos you always see in her home, with the older 6 kids. Once again, you compare----and this is a much more drastic comparison than Apples and Oranges. It is like comparing Apples and Donuts. Yeah they are both kinda round.......

SnT that makes more sense than any theory I have heard yet, and far more reasonable in view of how things are now than the 'I wanted my kids to have siblings since I didn't have enough love as a kid myself' thing she keeps spouting. I had not thought of it this way, and when I read it I went DUH and did the ol V8 thing!!! Great point!

During the interview she got into it with her Mom she stated something about having to either destroy her embryos or use them. So if she went in to only have one more.....what was she going to do with the rest, destroy them? She claims that is against her beliefs, and claims that is why they implanted so many (which SHOULD be a criminal charge) and then the next interview says they ALWAYS implanted that many--------which I would lay odds is BS. Like has been pointed out MANY, MANY times, she had no business purposely impregnating again when she was not self sufficient. It matters not one whit that it ended up being 8 as opposed to 1 or2. That is idiocy, pure selfish idiocy. Very few jobs regardless of her education will allow her to graduate, and immediately walk out into the world, land a job that will allow them to buy a home and a vehicle to accomodate 7 children (operating on the premise that was all she wanted.) Not a single thing she has ever said has made her appear sincere to me. She manipulates interviews, by trying to appear shy and serene. She works the camera, forsakes her childrens appearance to improve her own. You can bet your butt these kids have a job. Sounds like a new Mommy Dearest has taken over. Patty, I know you seriously try to relate to the octo mom, but I think that is sad, surely even you can see that at least you tried to provide for you own children. I hate to see anyone bring themselves down by relating themselves to this person. And christianity has zero to do with anyones response to you yet. Some do proclaim comfortably that they are not believers. It is the way in which you bring it about, and STATE it is this way and only this way, that turns people away, the bible and all it contains is interpreted in many, many ways--and yours is not the only way....neither is mine. Politics has nothing to do with this either. There is a mess in the white house, has been a mess for many, many years. Partly due to abuses.....and octomommy is an abuse in a BIG way.

Ebony Congrats on the new size!!! I am going to get my first fill in well over 2 years (June would be 3!!) next Monday. I am weaning off the steroids now, and hoping to remove the weight I have managed to regain. Totally sucks!!! But beats becoming an alcoholic which I considered as opposed to eating myself to comfort!!! With DD being so bad, I stayed days in the hospital and all, and omg the weight come back with a vengeance!!! You are working for it, and you are being rewarded, enjoy your new size and clothes!!!

Good morning girls~ Thought I'd check in real quick while Kinsey's bacon cooks. Not sure what we are doing today---maybe the park. Took a chance last night and took some Ibuprofin. I mean I am still 100% unfilled. I have nerve pain in my leg. Back when they did my hysterectomy, they had so much work to do, and it took so long (over 8 hours) that somehow the nerves that send sensation to the outer thigh area on my left leg were damaged. I do not feel much from the knee area up, but only on the outside. They can poke me lightly with pins, and nothing, I have no idea they are doing it, yet to push on it with pressure, it is really sensitive, and when it gets tired, I get zingers in it. They were going crazy with the shooting pain last night, and I was so tired, and knew without help, I would not sleep---so took it. Did not have any refluxing issues with it, thank goodness! Glad to hear your sisters are mending Suzanne. Pamela---wow great weather, AND great hair??? Our weather is supposed to be in the 70 range which is wonderful. But I am really sick of my hair!!! Problem is I had so many surgeries last year, it is REALLY thin, and still just falls out so much and so easy, I am paranoid about processing too much! TracyK--I enjoyed our exchange too. Pamela is right, your weight does not define you. I understand completely wanting to at least be back where you were....I want that too. But for some reason I think I cannot do that on my own, and am waiting for my fill to be the miracle, and we ALL KNOW better. I have lost 30-40 pounds on my own, many a time, I just have not found my motivation. I find one excuse after another....Manda being sick, and company I don't want only being the latest.... My Dr. is going to be really disappointed, and have lots of advice----which I know already. I wish he could live my life for awhile! Have the threat of layoffs hanging etc.....bet he wouldn't be so smug! Enjoy your Grady time Judy! Laura, I am soooooo white right now, everything looks cottage cheesy! And this time, I am actually gaining some weight in my legs, which I am not minding too much!!! Better go check the bacon----so I can cook her an egg. Y'all take care will see ya later. Kat

Home from taking brother to the tax guy, in for another X ray and taking my Mom shopping. Now Kinsey is watching the bugs we caught!! She has been hysterical over bugs. This time of year (Spring---LOVE it) there are tons of what I believe to be box elder bugs--ever since I was a kid we referred to them as doodle bugs. Winged little black bugs with an orange zig zag like thing across their back. They do nothing. They do not hurt our trees, nor do they bite, but she freaks out ( I am talking running blindly while screaming bloody murder) when one gets close. Her sandbox is next to the fence and has them close by, the swing set is under a tree, they are around. So we bought her a bug kit. A net to catch them, and a screen house to hold them with a magnifying end on it so she can watch them and see that they are not going to hurt her. She was highly impressed that Granny caught bugs!!! So now we have a house with half a dozen doodle bugs on the coffee table to watch. De sensitive her maybe.....have no idea how to handle it! Well, I have gotten nothing done around here, I left quietly and quickly this morning, before he even knew I was up!!! So now I have all my morning work to do!!! Take care girls. Suzanne, my thoughts are with you, and I hope your sisters know how lucky they both are to have someone to take care of them. Grady looks so cozy....wish I could snuggle my new grandson, they are about the same size, Corvin is over 11 pounds now....I fluctuate from being saddened to being maddened by them...... Hugs girls---bbl

Same here, going to be a busy day. My brother dropped a table top on the top of his crippled foot yesterday, breaking 3 of the meditarpal bones. If you rub your fingers over the back of your hand you feel the small bones going to your fingers, this is the equivalent in his foot. He has sporadic nerve feelings in that foot so he is in wierd pain. When he walks it feels like a lightning strike to his leg, not his foot. When he was 18 he shattered the hip socket, broke his pelvis in 7 places and had the sciatic nerve running down the leg severed in an accident, and it only had minimal regrowth, along with other nerve damage from the resulting surgeries, and injuries from the accident. So I am taking him to get his taxes done at 8:30. Then when I am done with that, I am taking my Mom shopping. Pretty much going to try to stay away from home most of the day. Will check in when I can. Thinking about you all!