Kat817

Weather here is wonderful right now..... is going to be in the low 80's all week long, and lots of sunshine. I plan on being astraddle as much of the weekend as possible, if not the motorcycle or horse, maybe even the DH!!!!!! This weather makes me happy!!!!

Well when any of you get an urge for southern Co-----you can come stay with me in northern NM--I am only 6 minutes from the border!!! We could go to Durango, and Silverton, and Ouray---they call it mini Switzerland! They have incredible jeep trips up the 14,000 foot mountains!! And there and Pagosa Springs, have tons of natural mineral spring spas..... And always let me know when you are in CO-----I can drive! Yesterday, I have no idea why, but I could eat anything and everything I tried, and I tried a lot!!! Going to try to behave today. Today is a slow day at work, so I can get lots done in the lab. I have things needing to be done, so being slow today will be a blessing. Tomorrow and Monday are both going to be chaotic, and to be honest I have not looked further than that!! Pamela, wish I had some sage advice for your online student needing a swift kick....but I don't, so will just say good luck!!! Judy, hope you are 100% again! Jane, glad the parents celebration went well! Look forward to seeing pics. I figure you must have found something to wear!! Suzanne, if you want to work full time, then do it, but if you don't.....let them know. There are lots of people out of work, they should be able to fill the opening quickly enough. Laura, I agree, I would have been scared to death! I have been around many a warning, and even a couple of sightings, but never actually had one near me, in the way you are talking!!! I keep seeing them tie themselves down in the movie Twister, and see you!!! Tracy---------Yay You!!! Working out is going to make such a difference. You girls are so impressive!!! I was mentioning our get together to my SIL and she was shocked I was going. She ask me "you are going to go and let them see how much weight you gained?" I told her y'all didn't care, unless I did, and right now I don't! She is really laying my weight on thick, because it has been 2 months since she has eaten anything that stayed down. She is still on liquids, and says they often make her want to throw up too. She is skinny---but she also looks about 70 unhealthy years old, and that is not jealousy talking. Sure I would love to get rid of the weight again, and I am .... slowly! But she lets her hair go silvery/yellowy/gray/white---has been for years-when she is healthy it is silvery gray and is kind of pretty, but when she doesn't eat it takes a yellow color----really amazed me how the hair and skin color respond to our overall well being. Her skin is pale and gray. And she is all wrinkles, her face, neck, arms, chest.....she looks to be her Moms sister, not daughter. And she was always fairly young looking. It is scaring me. I am afraid she has developed full blown bulemia----and everyone is blaming the band for her not eating, I think the issue is in her head at this point. I don't know.....but she thinks I should hide at home, so I don't shame y'all!! yeah right! Going to go find something HEALTHY for breakfast....if I have anything!!! XOXOXOX

I remember Jethro quite fondly.....he was so smart with his vast education, and knowing all his gozintas........ 2 gozinta 4 , 2 times........I really thought it was a word for awhile when I was a kid!!!

Was supposed to conclude saying I think you probably figured that out tho!!!

Ok, so Jane is doing stars---that used to be all the motivation my DD needed!!! I agree, I think the 5th star should be for maintaining a positive attitude---or a bonus for overcoming a negative action. If you manage to pass on the candy a customer brings in, or if your mind wanders to the dark side, thinking you will never be able to do this, and you manage to pull out of it without binging, then you EARN another star! Now how many stars are you going to require yourself to collect, before rewarding yourself??? We had a jar, on the fridge and whenever Manda wanted something, we wrote it down and put it in the jar---little things, a book, new stickers for her collection, or a toy when she was younger etc. And when she made the week with her stars for making her bed, and tending her dog etc., with no reminding, then she got to draw a slip from the jar. You need to start dreaming up things to reward yourself with. We had to do it with the jar, because otherwise she would do great some weeks when she REALLY wanted something, and slack when nothing was urging her on.....so it had to be luck of the draw. It also as an added benefit with a child showed her that if she waited a bit, sometimes she really didn't want something as badly as she thought she did!!! Terry-----whatcha doin'????? Tracy, I swear girl, we gain weight just alike!!! You will notice a swift change I predict with this trainer, helping you--------and you will ALWAYS have the knowledge you get from him! Pamela, you are amazing!!! 150 crunches PLUS all that other stuff??? I would have been in an ambulance on my way to the hospital if I even tried to do 150 crunches! I am SOOOOO totally impressed, and I do not mean that with even a hint of sarcasm, it is total awe you are reading.....good for you! Well the Dr. gets back today----------his flight lands at 1, and we begin patients at 2:40. So I am not going in until noon. That will give me enough time to call my labs, and get things done before the schedule kicks in. I need to go to town this morning tho, and take my car to get the tires fixed. The valve stems have been recalled.....and the tires could use being rotated too. Back to work stuff for a minute. We are SWAMPED. They just promised every Navajo free glasses, through a government program that had not been advertised, and is getting ready to be eliminated. So......that is what is making things so crazy. And frustrating. Some of these people are making 3 or 4 appointments with all these different Dr.'s and making such chaos........because records need faxed, and Rx's confirmed through other optical shops etc. Last week I sent records for an entire family, that had been patients for several years to another optometrist in a town 150 miles away. I figured they were moving or something, since they had been patients for so long, and had the entire contents faxed to the other Dr. Well she come in yesterday, and was complaining that the other Dr. could not operate, and wanted to put her in stronger glasses, so had the entire thing faxed back to us. 61 pages.........ummmmm hello?? We did not send the original, we HAVE your records! I do not need the 61 pages refaxed back here! And she says to me, well it was FREE! Gimme a break! I have no issue providing care for people, but abusers in all situations anger me! I think y

Patty, you frustrate the hell out of me, but you do not anger me, I ,simply put, do not care enough for it to be that consuming. You argue back with every word people say to you about this situation, relating it to yourself at every single turn. Then argue that you never said the things. Then you turn around and do it to others. I had enough. Usually I let your comments slide. But no where in my previous post did I say I KNEW anything. I was trying to get that across. This thread as are the others here, are FILLED with personal opinion. Unless you are Octomom herself, you have no more of a concrete idea how she feels about anything that anyone else. Yet you have continually TOLD us why she does this and that, because you know why YOU did it. Not the same. And as hard as it is for you, we are just as entitled to our opinion of her and the situation as you are. Where it changes is that when WE do it, you call it being judgemental, when YOU do it, it is empathy because you have personal experience with being on the wrong side of CPS or whatever......we ALL come into this conversation with experiences that color our perception of the situation. You do not have a monopoly on that, and I am personally just saying that I am tired of being told that YOU know because YOU have lived her same life.....because the way I see it you haven't. Her own parents, as well as child care experts, have all said she is not doing right by the kids. And yes before you have a coronary, those are MY words not exact quotes. That further makes me feel, that she is not teaching any of those kids anything. She has not protected nor provided without help....is that to the best of her ability? She could have a job---and show them at least SOME iota of self support, even if she had to have it supplemented, she could do something!!! Show me where she has put her children first. She goes on TV all dressed up, while her children are running around without even their hair being brushed....who was she concerned with first??? You want me to believe it is all the media spin, and I don't buy it. Which makes me stand behind my original statement in this latest battle of words with you, that she does not possess or is at least not showing that she possesses the traits you yourself attribute to a loving parent, whether it be my earthly Father or Heavenly Father. Becky I agree totally, I think that she revels in being pregnant, and having newborns. When they are no longer TOTALLY dependent upon her, she is ready for a new one....or 8. We have questioned earlier in the thread if this could be some sort of mental illness along the lines of Munchausens (sp?) disease, where the person suffers from a mental illness where they make themselves sick for attention or Munchausens by proxy where they make their child or spouse sick for the attention they get for being the care taker. I too think she has serious problems and needs help--we have many of us said that all along.

Re read my post patty--------I SAID "I have seen no signs". PERIOD. MY observance I have not said at any time that I KNOW anything about this woman, as I do not, and patty let me be the first to assure you, you do not KNOW any damn thing about her either!!! You speak to us like she is your best girlfriend. You are assuming things about her based on your own feelings in the case, same as the rest of us. You KNOW no more than the next guy! Seriously, give me a break! Have you EVER watched her with an open mind, or do you simply try to put her in your shoes, or you in hers? I have SEEN her on TV and I have SEEN her with her kids on TV, and I posted in response to what I have SEEN, I do not know the woman, and have ZERO desire to ever know her. The character I see on TV possesses none of the traits you mentioned. Her kids are out of control, and she shows no ability to teach them squat. And no desire to teach them, only to have another.....or 8. The press and media have nothing on you......you too see it as you want, be it truth or not. And yeah I know it is ALWAYS something you know from personal experience....I almost forgot that.

Have you noticed how few of those traits you used to describe loving parents that the thread subject possesses??? I have seen no signs of protecting, providing, training, nor teaching.

Well Laura, I soon will have texting on my phone.....as it is one of the perks we are losing from DH's work! Up til now, my phone was paid for through them....but without frills! So if I am going to pay for it, it will have. Rick and I both won $$$ on the horse as well, and we only bet because he was a local travelling so far. Rick says the reason he run so well, was that the last thing they let the horse see was that damned horse trailer he travelled so far it, so he ran like the devil to get away from it!!! I would have been having a fit too Laura.....remember sitting on the loveseat watching the race together in TX? We were actually at my inlaws, and watched the race with them. I was cutting the guys hair...FIL, DH, DS, DGS......for the last time! Really didn't "cut" his, just clipped some raggedy areas, they are letting it grow out, to cut in a traditional boy cut as opposed to buzzing it, which is what they had done for a year or so. He is looking kinda scruffy now! They changed our practice til 5-- I hate that! We don't get done til after 7----then they want to go have dinner.....so it is 9 before we get home, and I like Sunday night TV--and I have to get showered and get my hair blown dry before I can crash.....3 works soooooo much better. I think I will tell them if we can't practice earlier, to count us out. They cater to everyone elses whims---so fine! So now I guess I will run over to Big 5---they have some sandals I want to look at, and if I don't like them, I will just head to Sears and get some like my black ones in brown.....I am sooooo unimaginative!! My bacon has yet to go down.....I am not sick, nor have I slimed or felt like a PB was emminent, but it is still uncomfortable, and sitting like a rock in there. Rick bought us tickets to Toby Keith and Trace Adkins this morning.....concert is not until August, but he bought them for part of our birthday----he has to plan this years celebration. And if ya wanna talk about me being unimaginative, I married my mate!! LOL Oh well, he is doing it anyway!! Will try to check in later.....go out and have some fun!

Janie, the guy was excited as hell over the Derby!!! The trainer is a local guy here---not expected to make much of a show at all. The horse barely made 4th place in a race last month, and it was nothing like this race! The horse was bought for under $10K----the next closest horse running yesterday was bought for over 50 thousand!!! They drove him there in a pick up with a standard horse trailer----nothing fancy, no AC etc. And the trainer that drove him had a broken leg!!! He is a real jerk in my opinion, he had the big me attitude long ago!!! We have a horse that is related to the Derby winner---I am sure the degrees of separation are many tho!! Anyway that is where I met Woolley, was at a breeder I really like, at his house I mean. Anyway---it was still pretty shocking!!! Then to see him do that cross over, and go flying down the wall to go from last to winning by almost 7 lengths---we were stunned!! LOL And if I had been the jockey I would have been hootin and hollerin too----what an amazing ride, and no heart break to dull the win. I was up late last night, and then up early again this morning. I was irritated -and tried to make it be with Rick -so did not sleep well. Our son and grandson had dinner here, and my grandson is not being taught any manners at all, I was unhappy with that.....he just looked at me when I told him not to throw food, and my son laughed. I bit my tongue.....but was mad! So then when they went to the shop, I worked some of my anger out by cleaning up---and lately if I cook, Rick cleans. Well he spent hours in the shop---got the engine in his chopper, but I was put out anyway!!! LOL. I could have easily left the mess for him, but it was easier being mad at him, that fretting for my poor grandson. Rick said he tried to talk to him about it. He also said he just got the 'yeah I know'-------so nothing is going to change. Our plan of action right now is to totally ostracize them---they are not going to be invited to dinner, nor will we go with them when they go out and invite us, which is pretty frequent. And we plan to tell them, that no, we are not going because Connor makes us upset with not minding and how he acts at the table, and if they are not willing to teach him, we are not willing to witness it. Lately with my DIL working, the boys show up pretty frequently at dinner time---so it should make itself evident quickly. He is not here mooching all the time, he is more often than not trying to get us to let him take us out to dinner--but not gonna go, nor will I invite them to eat here! LOL-----poor child needed to be taken from the table, and punished. Oh well...... Rick put a bunch of fertilizer on the lawn night before last, then it rained all day yesterday----it already made a difference in how it looks!! We have softball today at 3. I spent all morning, switching out clothes in the closet--I have small closets.....every closet in my house would fit inside of Pamela's-----and would be room for a dozen more of their size!!!! So I put all the winter clothes in the totes, and summer clothes in the closet. Dug out all my flip flops!! Going to go look for a pair of leather sandals for work after we do the ball thing. So, guess I better get busy. Cooked some bacon for breakfast, and it is not settling on my stomach.....blech. Hugs

She also had 2 children, fathered the natural way, with the same man who is still involved in the childrens lives. While they do not have "normal" lives---and their young and often foolish parents have made serious mistakes, the parents seem to be making efforts....and I never heard her blame anyone for making her put her child on her lap as opposed to in a car seat. AND she has never tried to stupidly say she never wanted public attention.....

Good Morning- Man I hate when I have to get up and actually do something before checking in!! I had posts to delete--------if you wanna advertise, ya gotta pay!!! LOL Tracy- any time you wanna come hop on a motorcycle, come on!!! We even have little ones we could teach you to ride on!!! Did you see the chopper on FB? That is his new challenge. I cannot even tell you what that bike started out looking like, I will have to hunt up a picture on line, and post it and the final result. When it is complete it will bring the total of bikes (and related 4 wheelers etc.) to 8!!! I thought Laura was going to take Carson to work with her at least for awhile.....maybe I only thought that because our DD takes Corvin to work with her. But 2-3 days a week his Mom shows up and takes off with him----he allows that with his mom just no one else. Is looking like it is going to rain here today. Mom and I are going in to get pedicures this morning, and she needs to buy a wedding gift. I think for the wedding I am writing a check! Lazy-------but hey it always fits the color scheme, and duplicates don't matter!! I just finished putting pork spareribs in to cook slowly in the oven for a bit to tenderize them, then Rick will BBQ them later on today. Trying to think of something to have with them, that sounds good, yet is not too bad for me!!! LOL Loaded baked potatoes sound good--------but if I cooked them, I would eat them, so.....trying to come up with a different plan!!! I chatted with both Suzanne and Jane last night on FB--was lotsa fun! I think Janes ears were burning--Suzanne and I were talking about her!! We just said how much we love her, and what a special person she is, and up she popped!!! LOL So Judy did you ever figure out the coding on the pool? Or was it the hot tub? Grady is sleeping through the night? Wow that is great!!!! I know my grandson was 7 or 8 months before he would sleep through the night she just said the other day. She said she is taking advantage of the sleep now because for months to come she will be up and down. Then she said how old Connor was.....My Cayden is now switching, and the new option is Calija (think Elijah with a C), As for now I believe Garrick is still his middle name. Her Dad's name is Gary, and of course his Dad is Rick.....thus the Garrick. Her Mom hates the name Gary (I would never say that about my husband!) so she threw a fit when they thought about using Garrick as a first name, that people would shorten it to Gary. Glad you guys have to come up with names for the babies and not me!! My cousin said her babies are going to be Blake Matthew (Dad is Matthew) and Maisy something, I forget her middle name. Both babies have passed the 3 pound mark now. They are due the latter part of June, and they want her to make it as far as possible. Well if I am going to pick Mom up on time, I better get with it. See y'all later---I'll check in while he putters on the bike!LOL We lead such exciting lives!

Oh fine Tracy!!!! LOL Chatting with Suzanne on FB........ Y'all come join in!

Am I missing pages???? From 9:30 this morning til 8:30 tonight with no posts???? OMG The Pig Flu musta wiped us out!!!

Every house does not open themselves up to scrutiny----she did so. When she opted to have 14 children, or even 7 children all without a father on the scene, and with no income, all through in vitro-------SHE CHOSE to put herself under the microscope. She revels in the attention-------that is VERY obvious. She has had offers of help to watch all those children, but when she falls short and is called on it, she changes direction, yet again. Of course all children get bruises etc. Many autistic children bite themselves. However that child should not be left alone for another or even himself to be biting him. SHE CHOSE this patty-----------now she has to live with the consequences and the fact that people as a whole care about the children MUCH more than they will ever care about her or her reasons for doing such an idiotic thing as trying to parent all these kids alone. We DO NOT care whether she likes people butting into her business or not......it is going to happen, and the people are going to try to make sure in one way or another the kids are safe, because obviously Mom cannot.

Suzanne, when I lost my weight, I was down to 160-165 pounds. I was a size 8/10. I felt fantastic. My blood tests were great, my blood pressure was great--------but many of the height/weight charts still had me needing to lose at least 20 more pounds. I was able to hover at the 165 and eat comfortably, do minimal exercise (for health as opposed to weight control)--without working at it. I did that with no fill for months! Until the stress and the steroids--then it went to hell in a hurry!!! But I will never strive to be 140 pounds or less---it is not the number I need to see. When I can easily walk in any store in town and buy a size 8 or 10, and be healthy, and not be ashamed of my size, or even the number on the scale----then I am happy about it. My BMI was on the high side of normal-------but it was normal!!! The better muscle tone you have the more you weigh----so most body builders show up overweight both on the charts for weight and for BMI-----yet their body fat percentage is super low. so there is no ideal way of determining what weight you should be. To say I am at a good weight because I feel good could easily be a cop out------I did not feel bad physically when I weighed 289 pounds----I did not waddle, I kept up when we hiked, I went on motorcycle trips---it did not hold me back, I did not FEEL bad. My body told a different story tho! My blood pressure was high, my blood sugar was high, my cholesterol was high, my joints were having issues, that caused me to have knee surgery several times.......so I was NOT healthy in any way shape or form!!! But got around better and did more than many thin people I know. If I can get back to the 165- 170 range where I can hover without worry, I am going to be a happy camper!!! Well made it through another week!!! Stopped and bought some groceries, and now I still do not know what I want to cook!!!! In the store, I saw an old friend. She and I were friends from before Junior High. Then a few years ago, I found out through happenstance that she was involved with my ex husband. That alone would not have been an issue, except she had been lying to me for over a year about it, and had caused friction between my DD and I. My ex, knew things, that I accused my DD of telling him----and when she denied it, I thought she was lying, so it messed with the trust I had in my child. THAT broke the friendship.....if there is no trust, there is no friendship. Well they recently split, and she is supposedly sobering up. So she stops and tells me I look great, and asks about the family like all is good again now that he is gone. I did not want to cause a scene in Albertsons---------but he was not the issue!!!! She kept smiling at me, and I swear she would see where I was going and head down the aisle opposite....and EACH time, try to talk. I mention it, because I just got the chime I had an email-----from her! Seeing me, made her realize how much she misses our friendship, and how can she mend things? I so badly want to send back something like "get a moral indicator, because yours is obviously faulty" or something..... I think she soaked her brain in Southern Comfort for toooooo many years!!! Feel better Jenn--praying for you. Laura, that you and Russell have managed with the cash flowing that way is testement to how well you have done.....Not many young couples do so well. Pamela, feel better, but watch the alcohol and the pills......that stuff scares me...A LOT!!!! Tracy-------I wanna see your gym---you said you took pics----------so lets see um! Well I am off to find something to cook and call dinner. Will check in later, or tomorrow. XOOXOX

Good for your family Ebony!!! Ya know my abuser ex and I were in a club one night at a 40th birthday party for an Uncle, and a guy smacked a woman in the bar, and my ex, took him down, literally, and held him there until police arrived, all the while spouting what a worthless guy he was hitting a woman.....he was so psycho! He did not use abusing me to hold me there, he threatened my family, my aging grandparents, or my crippled brother. He would always ask how I would feel knowing they COULD have lived. He was such an ass, but I knew I got myself into the situation, and a time would present itself to get out, while leaving my family safe. Eventually he wanted to move away, close to his family again, and I saw my out-----my family would be safe. He just went off before I could get to a shelter. Ended up, he had REALLY avoided his home state, because he was already wanted on felony charges there!!! FINALLY I learned to make better choices, and to listen to those who love me, and now my DH is a man among men! He is supportive, strong, and kind.....just took me awhile to figure out the right one!!! I too am wondering about Tina......

Good Morning! YAY Tracy!! Love the new attitude! I loved working out with Rick, and walking with him every day. With summer and his work schedule changing yet again, we might get some time to do that type of thing. Joining a gym is out of the question, there is simply not enough time, with him. But we do a lot of after dinner walks together in the summer, and we are setting up the weight bench in the shop--so maybe I might be tempted to actually do something. Well DD's friend from Kansas made it known he wanted to be more than friends----and DD sent him back to Kansas! She said she loves him, but not enough to make anything more of it. She tells me he has no ambition, and was not happy here, he wanted her to go to Kansas, and she said she would not do that to Kinsey. That she knew his family, they would not enfold Kinsey like they do his daughter, and to take her away from her Daddy and all her grandparents would have been incredibly selfish----so the right decision was for them to each go in a different direction. Amazes me the way she thinks things out sometimes.....I raised her?????? Trying to decide whether to go change clothes. I LOVE the way this shirt looks (it is VERY figure flattering) the color is great, etc. BUT it has this metallic thread run through the pattern, and it is not comfortable when I sit---the metal thread scratches at my back. I keep telling myself, my sitting time today will be extremely little.......who knows, 5 minutes before I roll out, I will likely run in and change!! LOL My Mom is still just reeling, my Dad is very contemplative about the $$$$. He feels guilty that he did not do more for her. He feels selfish, that us kids will have no one to bequest us that way. He has dozens of things on his mind over it! Silly man I told him, GO HAVE FUN!!! Then I threatened him that if he left it to me I was going to go blow it having fun, so he better do it first. He just smiles and shakes his head at me and told me I was hopeless---like I wasn't aware of that already!!! OK, time to get moving......see y'all after work! Hugs!!

hey y'all! Just stopping in to say goodnight. I had Kinsey tonight. Manda's friend from Kansas was heading back tonight, so Kinsey had dinner with us, and is waiting to be picked up. Made for a looooooong day. Another long one tomorrow. We are booked solid, I have an extra fridge plugged in, with lab stuff in it....it is crazy! And tomorrow is the 1st, so nothing has been pre authorized for tomorrow---as they have to be done in the calendar month. So all the tests, all the appointments everything has to be done as they come tomorrow. YUCK!!! Well Rick just broke the bank! We have a piggy bank on the dresser and he broke it, I will be back, I have to tell you about my parents!!! OK pig is glued---was just an ear!!! So today my Mom calls me as I am heading in to work, and she is crying. I panic. She manages to tell me it is happy crying. Remember a few months back I mentioned my great Aunt dying. Well she left her estate to my Mom and 3 of her cousins, as well as the humane society, a few friends, the nursing home she lived in for so long, her church, all kinds of people, places and things......anyway, my Moms cousin, who had been living in the area with her, and caring for her for years, was executor of the will, and he called Mom and told her he was having a courier deliver the will, and a detailed disbursement, and a check----for almost $100K bucks!!! OMG!!!! My Mom was borderline hysterical! My Dad was gone, working at the church, she was home alone, and had to talk to someone--so she called me. I have spent the remainder of the day, calling her and suggesting things she and my Dad go and do! Dad says they need to give some to their church too, and us kids, I told her BS-----if he doesn't blow it on fun stuff himself, I am going to when I inherit it!!! LOL!!! They spoke with my Aunt and the 2 Uncles who are involved, and they are all meeting in Vegas next month to disperse her ashes as she requested. Her estate was worth well over a million dollars, and that was after living in a high dollar nursing home for the last 9 years!!! My Uncle was an architect/ builder, he helped builda good portion of old Las Vegas, as well as being part of the design team on Hoover Dam. My Aunt was a hostess at the Flamingo, from the early days. They never ever spent a dime of either one of their paychecks, they lived on her tips. They never gambled, until my Uncle was passed, and she called me once and said she had gone gambling with her friend--they had went and played Bingo!!! My Uncle who cared for her said she had been worth much much more.....but taxes, and the nursing home ate away at it pretty seriously. Anyway I am sooooooo thrilled for my parents, it is such a relief to know they are set that much better. They had retirement----PERA---which is unsettled right now----this will take a lot of worry away. My Mom has been hum hawing new carpet----knowing they can just go do those things without a thought is soooooo wonderful!!! Makes me a happy DD!!! Well I am off to bed, or Kinsey is not going to go to sleep and she needs to----she gets up VERY early! See ya tomorrow! XOXOXOX

Thanks--I really debated saying anything, but Tina's post kind of haunted me. I was dumbfounded that I never considered the effect of my situation on the other people who were there. Still kind of boggles my mind.....but abuse in no form is child's play.....ever.

We have a Dr here that does a part on the local news. He put it like this. If you went out into your town and gathered 100 people, and put them all into a room with a person infected with a strain of the flu we are used to seeing, and allowed them to wander around, a good percentage of those people would get sick. However a fair amount of them would have had a flu shot---and could therefore help and assist those who had not, without fear of infecting themselves, and get through it. On the other hand if you put those people in the room with a person with Swine Flu, it is HIGHLY contagious from person to person, and NO ONE in that room has been given a flu shot that will help. The entire room could in effect be sickened by the spread from the one person---and all in a short amount of time. In a Dr.'s office for instance if a patient comes in, the receptionist, the nurse, and the Dr. are all infected at the same time and could fall ill at the same time, effectively closing the practice as there is noone left to care for the ill.....and those that attempt to help, are open to infection, as there is no flu shot to help avoid the germs. Same with child in school, everyone they come into contact with on the day they are contagious, could become ill at one time.....and it just snowballs. It is not any deadlier than any other flu around, there is just not much of a way of avoiding it, if you are around it! The loss of life in MX is mostly due to poor health and poor health care in the areas it began. They have not sought health care in a timely manner. It is mostly a danger to the very young, the very old, and those with immune problems prior to getting the Swine Flu. Most of us who might get it, will cope with it, same as we do any other bout with the flu or a virus, and feel like crap for a few days, and get well again. We are in a country that we know if we are dehydrating, to head to the hospital for IV's. And we take special care of our young and old. I am not afraid of it---it makes more sense after looking into it. I am being more cautious with washing my hands frequently at work----which is saying something, since I washed VERY often before anyway!!! But....I will not run in fear, nor wear a mask, when I have little belief that it will help me avoid it!! And if I do get it, I will whine to all of you about it!!! LOL

Tina I am sorry you had such a scare! I had something very similar (scarily so) happen to me once...but from the other side. My ex husband was extremely abusive. He too stabbed me. He chased me out of our apartment, and the way ours was situated, my quickest way out was up, I screamed and banged on doors, I just wanted someone to do what you did----get help. I did not expect anyone to confront him, or even let me in, but I had to let them know to get me help. This has been many years ago.....and I will be totally honest with you, I thought it affected no one but us. I too laid on another stoop and bled for what seemed like forever before the EMT's got there. I watched my own blood---it was so weird, I had this thought that if it run until it dripped down over the step, I would not live, so I kept trying to push backwards---no idea why. By this time, a man had come out--my ex had high tailed it----and he sat with me while we waited, and he pressed on one of my wounds with my own shirt. He looked so scared, it scared me! I had no idea I had the blade of the knife sticking out of my head! I DID get his name, from the police report, and sent him a note of thank you, through the San Antonio police dept. I know not who elses doors I banged on, or even tried the knobs, I have no recollection of anything other than escape.....and my DD was in the house I left, I wanted him OUT of that house, anywhere but there. My SIL was there, and had locked him out of the house, and he never even tried to get back in, not for almost a week---then they arrested him as he tried to go back in. I feel bad now---I never meant to scare or scar any of the people I inadvertently got involved. I honestly had not thought about that aspect, and I seriously doubt the man at your door did either. Even having been on the other end of the scenario, I would not have attempted to get involved, or allow anyone in. I would have done the same 911----and got help on the way. I am sorry, you are stuck with the mess, I honestly have no idea what happen with mine. It was a crime scene....I saw pics of it in court, and through the years speaking on a Victim Impact Panel working to make stiffer penalties for domestic abuse---but I was never back at our apartment. My SIL packed a couple of suitcases for my DD and I, and when I got out of the hospital, we had a police escort on the flight home. My DD was actually in protective custody at one of the other officers homes, along with our dog! When we got to the airport, they would not allow the dog crate to be purchased by a 3rd party credit card (my parents---the ex made off with my purse) and the officers who were with me, pulled money out of their own pockets and bought her a travel crate. In my case, I would imagine the maintenance man ended up with the clean up, and that is terrible, he should never have to clean that. I know I left bloody marks on several doors for innocent people to clean. I swear to you, I am not an inconsiderate person, and I had never even given this any thought! Not sure what was going down that you got involved in, but at least you were there to call for help for him. Had he went to another door, he might not be alive right now. Check with your Police Dept. there may be a way to have it professionally cleaned by a team who specializes in that type of clean up, and let the PD pay, or it could be filed against one of the men involved. I know there are cleaning companies who specialize in things like suicide clean up etc. You are not the person I put in that position, and I am not the man who put you in it either----but I am still VERY sorry, that you innocently got pulled in to such a horrifying thing. And since I cannot apologize to the people I got involved, I will just apologize by proxy to you!!!! Hang in there Tina----this just proved to you, that when it comes down to it, you can protect you and your boys. You kept your head, and called for help. The very best thing you could have done for all parties involved. Good Job!!!

Hey at least you are complaining about yourself....and not me!!! LOL Sorry your back is out----when I was about 6 months out from banding, I hit the gym, and somehow irritated my sciatic nerve. I was such a whiner and complainer about it, Rick and I renamed it my psychotic nerve!!! I could not do anything without hurting---it went from my hips, through my butt cheek and down my leg, and made moving my big toe an impossibility! I went back to my original stretches from the herniated disc---and it eventually eased, but I know it has colored my feelings about working out a lot with the machines----I am NOT wanting to go through that again! My SIL went back to the Dr., he thought she was progressing well, and moved her to full liquids, so she can have cream soups etc. She says she is afraid to ever eat again. All of this is according to my MIL, and she (MIL) tells me she looks better, her color is good again, and she is just as thin as can be. I am slowly losing mine again, and not interested in almost dying to do it I told her. She responded with shock that I was losing, because she couldn't tell. Grrrrrrrr. LOL I am doing a max of 2 pounds a week, and a couple of weeks have only been 1. But......it is moving the right direction, so I am not going to whine. It was a year going back on.....so as much as I wish it would just fall off, that is not happening!! Oh well.....it will over time. I have Kinsey for a little while this morning, since I go in late. Their school was having a teacher issue this morning. 2 called in, leaving one teacher, waiting for subs to come in. And she cannot have kids there all by herself----so she is still here, I will take her up there in awhile. She has a runny nose.....which has been in place almost since she began going to the new place, which is normal. Heather, you having any side effects from your fall? So Judy, did I miss your Pasties recipe? Going to wait till some gathering to try Terry's so it is not all sitting here calling my name!!! LOL, Did you add it to our Violet recipes, so I can find it again Terry???? I am challenged don't forget!!! Our youngest used to say she "gorfot"....we used to laugh, because we would catch ourselves saying it at the wrong time, in front of others who had no idea!!! DH saw the new grandson yesterday, and he said the difference in how Abbey acted was unreal. He ran into her in Walgreens. She was happy and friendly and handed the baby over even though he was in work clothes and had not just washed. SOL makes everyone wash first. Which is fine, but we love the baby, we would never purposely harm him! And this has been from the beginning, not just this flu scare. So......either I am part of the problem, or it is SOL, or maybe both, who knows. I am glad Rick got to see them, and she finally acted happy to see him. My neighbor goes tomorrow to have a feeding tube put in. The tumor in his throat has caused him to be unable to swallow. Then he goes to ALbq. and will be there for 5 days in the VA hosp. receiving chemo, be allowed to come home on the weekends, then back for 6 weeks. His wife is unable to drive him, and like I told Rick by the 3rd round I would bet he is unable to drive that far, it is gonna kick his butt. he is down to 119 pounds already. Rick has been watering his yard along with ours, and said he will mow it along with ours. Which is nothing like it is used to being done. Ours gets mowed once a week max---he did his every 3rd day!!! Plus he mowed and did yard care for several of the neighbors. The single woman across the street already has hinted for Rick to get her AC up and going---ours is still covered----and Rick has a job......so seriously hoping everyone does not expect him to take over for Red!!! We are feeding his chickens, and helping with his yard.....it isn't that we don't care! They are going to have to adapt too. Well cartoons are not working, it is time to go listen to one anothers hearts!!! She loves Papa's stethoscope!!! See ya later girls!

The kids pediatrician has a well room, and also a separate area for well child checks, where they do not even register in the main office. As for Russell being sick----man that is hard, but if nothing else send him to your folks for a few days---or minimally mask him, and sanitize everything! I read an article that come in to the office today, reminding of times to wash your hands, after you open mail, or put away groceries, anytime you touch something that someone else may have touched prior to you. Teh big issue with the Swine flu is not that it is any deadlier than any other flu, less so even, but NO ONE is immune to it. So it could literally take down entire schools, work forces, hospitals, police dept.'s etc. It is spread human to human, and has a shorter incubation period, so losing entire staffs is possible at one time. Losing meaning they could all be out at once, NOT all dying!!! It is hardest on those that all flu's are hardest on. Including the young----so do whatever you gotta do-----everyone will understand. I think calling ahead, and discussing the issue is without a doubt the way to go----a Dr.'s office of all places should be proactive about it. I am miserable, I ate some pork steak, and some baked potato for dinner, and either ate too much, or some of the steak is not going down, I am still miserably full hours later......grrrrr Rick ate his, ALL of it, and then had ice cream----life is so unfair!!! OK, whatever it is, is stuck, I have the hiccups---crap! Guess I will go walk a bit and stretch, see if I cannot do something. Will check in in the morning, it is a late go in day for me. HUGS

It should now be in an advertising forum, that Alex just created to deal with this sort of thing. The report was not being ignored, it was just taking some time to get the changes made to the site to allow the new forum.