BethFromVA

Why the personal dig? I could have asked you if you were born a bitch or if you just practice every day, but I didn't. :biggrin: Put your claws away. Your oh-so-tolerant democratic side is showing.

That breed of democrat exists today -- his name is John McCain. The type of democrat that is being touted as a democrat today is a Fascist socialist, so far beyond the left-wing arena as to be unrecognizable to JFK if he was reincarnated today.

Wow. Just... WOW. :biggrin: See, where you think it's better for some poor schmo to feel "grateful" for being an American and showing that gratitude by paying taxes -- MORE taxes, no doubt -- I feel that the government ought to feel grateful that we elected them and that they would have the intestinal fortitude and cajones to do the RIGHT thing -- not the thing that works best for them as individuals while everybody else takes a back seat. I don't pay my taxes out of gratitude or even duty. I pay them because they are stolen from me out of my paycheck. If I felt that there were decent people in office being good shepherds with MY money, I would feel that I was part of a greater good. But they aren't. They squander and waste more money than I can even imagine, and then they want me to pay more for all their fuckups (excuse the French, but no other word quite covers it). While we are scrimping and saving and doing without, they NEVER do without. They just find new, more inventive ways to steal my money from me. I am far from grateful. The country my ancestors fought and died for has been totally screwed up in a very short time by this batch of morons we've been voting in for the last number of decades.

Just because you don't like the message doesn't mean I'm spiteful, ignorant, or unlearned. I know you wish that was the case, but that is standard MO for those who would rather shoot the messenger than hear the message. I just don't have it in me to spend my life with my fingers in my ears singing, "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" all the live-long day.

Bravo, Jack. That about sums it up in a nutshell.

I see it for what it is. If it's true, it was taken lock, stock, and barrel from the lefty playbook. They have been doing this forever. What about poor Joe the plumber? Leftists have been using government computers to dig into all sorts of private matters on a regular individual who simply questioned Obama on his policies. The left is downright scary.

I posted it in the debate area, but I can move it over here for you if you wish. It's a long (but accurate) read. I only wish I wrote it. http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/racetoth ... ments.aspx Posted By: DBLAIRXP7 (October 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM) To Barack Hussein Obama, The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved You had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you Previously admitted. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the Greater concern is that you lied to America about it. The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that you had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than what you previously admitted. In the interview, you said that you only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that you saw him weekly. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it. Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008, about 'race' contradicted your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you never Heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America. While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of concern, the Greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14. In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without 'preparations' at lower levels ... Joe Biden repeated your words in his debate with Sarah Palin ... While the video tape from your debate last February clearly shows that you answered 'I would' to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without 'any' preconditions. While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the USA without Pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America in the debate with McCain. On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you stated that the surge would not work. While your judgement about military strategy as a potential commander-in-chief is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14. You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal, while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed immediately... Not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now claim. While your judgement about removing our troops unilaterally in 2007 is of concern, the Greater concern is that you lied to America about your previous position. You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record Shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with Chuck Lugar ... And it failed. The record shows that you vote 97% in concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal voting record in the Senate. You joined Republicans only 13% of the time in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is that you distorted the truth. In the primary debates of last February, 2008, you claimed to have talked with a 'Captain' of a platoon in Afghanistan 'the other day' when in fact you had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been deployed to Afghanista n . You lied in that debate. In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a 'professor of Constitutional law' when in fact you have never been a professor of Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that you 'taught a law class' and never mentioned being a 'professor of Constitutional law.' You lied last spring. You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You distorted the truth. You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain specifically voted against funding for bio fuels, especially corn ... and he was right .... corn is too expensive at producing ethanol, and using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel to $6 a bushel for food. You distorted the truth. You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe Biden. You lied to America . You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the votes are procedural. You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of the time with the president because you have been missing from the Senate since the day you got elected. While your absence from your job in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the facts. You did not take an active role in the rescue plan. You claimed that the Senate did not need you while the real reason that you abstained was because of your close relationships with the executives of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Countrywide, and Acorn ... who all helped cause the f inancial problems of today ... and they all made major contributions to your campaign. While your relationship with these executives and your protection of them for your brief 3 years in the Senate (along with Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd) is of concern, the greater concern is that you are being deceitful. You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and Acorn. Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you sponsored as a state senator ... and Acorn has been convicted of voter fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign contributions. Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to your political campaigns. You personally used your political positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you. While your relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them to America . During your campaign, you said: 'typical white person.' 'They cling to their guns and religion.' 'They will say that I am black.' You played the race Card. You tried to label any criticism about you as racist. You divide America . You claim that you will reduce taxes for 95% of America , but you forgot to tell America that those reductions are after you remove the Bush tax Reductions. You have requested close to $1 billion in earmarks and several million for Acorn. Your social programs will cost America $1 trillion per year and you claim that a reduction in military spending ($100 billion for Iraq ) can pay for it. While your economic plan of adding 30% to the size of our federal government is of concern, the greater concern is that you are deceiving America . The drain to America 's economy by foreign supplied oil is $700 billion per year (5% of GDP) while the war in Iraq is $100 billion (less than 1% of GDP). You voted against any increases to oil exploration for the last 3 years and any expansion of nuclear facilities. Yet today, you say that you have always been for more oil and more nuclear. You are lying to America . Mr. Obama, you claimed that you 'changed' your mind about public financing for your campaign because of the money spent by Republican PACs in 2004. The truth is that the Democrat PACs in 2004, 2006, and 2008 spent twice as much as the Republican PACs (especially George Soros and MoveOn.org). You are lying to America . Mr. Obama, you have done nothing to stop the actions of the teachers union and college professors in the USA . They eliminated religion from our history. They teach pro gay agendas and discuss sex with students as young as first grade. They bring their personal politics into the classrooms. They disparage conservatives. They brainwash our children. They are in it for themselves ..... not America . Are you reluctant to condemn their actions because teachers/professors and the NEA contribute 25% of all money donated to Democrats and none to Republicans? You are deceiving America . Oh, Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before anything else. Your character looks horrible. While you make good speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your rhetoric. You talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. 1. You lied to America . You lied many times. You distorted facts. You parsed your answers like a lawyer. 2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your advertisements. 3. You had associations with some very bad people for your personal political gains and then lied about those associations. 4. You divide America about race and about class. Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race baiting, and associations to John McCain: War hero. Annapolis graduate with 'Country first.' Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously elected presidents of the USA as a Navy officer for 22 years. 26 years in the Senate. Straight talk. Maverick. 54% of the time participated on bills with Democrats. Never asked for an earmark. The only blemish on his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago. Mr. Obama, at Harvard Law School, you learned that the end does not justify the means. You learned that perjury, false witness, dishonesty, distortion of truth are never tolerated. Yet, your dishonesty is overwhelming. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty that caused the impeachment and disbarment of Bill Clinton. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty of Scooter Libby. You should be ashamed. Mr. Obama, it is time for us Americans to put aside our differences on political issues and vote against you because of your dishonest character. It is time for all of us Americans to put aside our political issues and vote for America first. It is time for America to vote for honesty. Any people who vote for you after understanding that you are dishonest should be ashamed of themselves for making their personal political issues more important than character. Would these same people vote for the anti-Christ if the anti-Christ promised them riches? Would they make a golden calf while Moses was up the mountain? Would they hire someone for a job if that someone lied in an interview? Of course not. So why do some of these people justify their votes for you even though they know you are dishonest? Why do they excuse your dishonesty? Because some of these people are frightened about the future, the economy, and their financial security .... and you are preying on their fears with empty promises ... and because some (especially our young people) are consumed by your wonderful style and promises for 'change' like the Germans who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932. The greed/envy by Germans in 1932 kept them from recognizing Hitler for who he was. They loved his style. Greed and envy are keeping many Americans from recognizing you ... your style has camouflaged your dishonesty .... but many of us see you for who you really are ... and we will not stop exposing who you are every day, forever if it is necessary. Mr. Obama, you are dishonest. Anyone who votes for you is enabling dishonesty. Mr. Obama , America cannot trust that you will put America first in your decisions about the future. Mr. Obama, you are not the 'change' that America deserves. We cannot trust you. Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander-in-chief. Mr. Obama, John McCain does not have as much money as your campaign to refute all of your false statements. And for whatever reasons, the mainstream media will not give adequate coverage or research about your lies, distortions, word parsing, bad associations, race baiting, lack of operational leadership experience, and generally dishonest character. The media is diverting our attention from your relationships and ignoring the fact that you lied about those relationships. The fact that you lied is much more important than the relationships themselves .... just like with Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon ... Monica Lewinski and Watergate were not nearly as bad as the fact that those men lied about the events ... false witness ... perjury ... your relationships and bad judgements are bad on their own .... but your lies are even worse. Therefore, by copy of this memo, all who read this memo are asked to send it to everyone else in America before it is too late. We need to do the job that the media will not do. We need to expose your dishonesty so that every person in America understands who you really are before election day. Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve. And God help America if we deserve you.

I know it's not nice, but sometimes fact is not pretty.

Excellent, Jack! I fear, however, that it will go over a few too many heads. Facts don't seem to hold up too well in the nation these days. :w00t:

Ditto. If I was a dem (perish the thought), I would vote McCain.

If it worked, it would still work. From what I can tell, we still have the poor. I know this because Obama wants to give them more of my hard-earned money.

Yes, cuz that's worked soooo well. Like everything else the government thinks they can do. :w00t: Strange that in 70 years we have... more poverty.

That actually sounds like a great idea. Today's "republicans" are last decade's liberals. And last decade's liberals have become off-the-charts whacko socialist class enviasts.

I'm crushed. :w00t:

That's the way it's supposed to be. Too bad the left has cheated in that area many times as well. Voting numerous times, dead people voting, signing up their dogs... One could only wonder what would REALLY happen if there were real safeguards. Doubt dems would ever win. I always said that's why Kerry wanted so many recounts -- I would too if I knew my cronies had stuffed the ballot boxes all over the country and I STILL lost. :w00t:

It affects those of us who oppose or think differently because it is OUR money he is going to hand out to "rescue them from poverty." It is not the government's job to rescue people from poverty or to "spread the wealth" (Obama's own words). When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. ~ Benjamin Franklin

Far from it. He's an Obamanation. NOBAMA. :w00t:

Clusk, you really have comprehension issues. I AM for the right -- the right that used to be. I am NOT walking in lock step behind McCAIN. I never said I wasn't a conservative. What I've been implying is that McCAIN is not a conservative. Actually, when I was thinking of Obama zombies, you came more to mind. :w00t:

How socialism doesn't hurt a country is beyond me. Name me one that has thrived under socialism. I guess the have-nots are more than happy to vote in a socialist since they believe they will be getting what I worked hard for. If the dems weren't always offering my money via perks and hand-outs to losers, nobody would ever vote for them. It's all they have.

No doubt. lol Doubtful. Lefties are the most radically hateful bunch of people I have ever seen. Then again, Canada is spoon fed the leftist news. My friend still has family who lives there and they don't get anything but the leftist agenda, so no wonder everybody there is ignorant to the fact that there is any better way. Kinda bordering on communistic in its application, "eh"?

Uh, BJean, what race are you watching?? Only the republicans attack? I thought Obama was the agent for change, yet he has done no better than anybody else on that front. The liberals have honed the act of attack to a fine art. They've been doing it longer, and they certainly have been doing it better. I don't know, I could attempt to respond to so much more, but you are an apparent Obama zombie. I don't mean this in an ugly way towards you -- it's just that this very scary fake has really got otherwise intelligent people saying and doing very stupid things.

I've read and heard about Canada's universal health care. With all respect, thanks but no thanks.

BJean, I really don't know how I can make it any more clear to you that I am not enamored of McCain like you are the socialist, America-hating terrorist lover. I keep saying it, but you don't seem to be hearing me.

I find it hilarious. Hillary and Obama are both socialists. Why would he escape their "reign" just to run to a completely socialist country?