pattygreen

"The wisdom of man is foolishness in God's eyes." Science also tells us we were decendants of apes. There are alot of things that the so called 'experts' are wrong about. If what they say contradicts God's word, then I don't agree with them. Also, I went to school. Bible college. I also went to school and took classes in the medical secretarial field as well as getting my CNA certificate. That's about it. BTW, you talk about me being rude and talking AT you instead of with you, and you don't even see the plank in your own eye. (Before you tell me that I have a stick in my eye, remove the plank from yours.) Weren't you being condescending when you asked me in a snotty way "did you go to school or did you just sit at home and worship and read the bible?"? You have much to say about how I talk, yet you are far worse. Also, Even if all I did was sit at home and worship and read the bible, the benefits from doing that would be far greater for me than for someone who never read it and spent 25 years in school!

If God chose Mary, the mother of Jesus, to deliver a baby at age 14, then God does not view age 14 to be too young. Therefore, neither do I. It seems young to people in America because we have set the legal 'adult' age at 18. It was not God's plan to set the age at 18. He designed our bodies to be able to conceive and give birth after the onset of puberty.

I have to say that you are a pretty nasty person. So, you started your period at 7. Then if your Dr. said that you couldn't possibly carry a baby, then you were in the right to have an abortion. okay? At 7. But, all this time, I thought you said you were pregnant at 14. If I had you wrong, I apologize. MOST girls get their period around 11 or 12 to 14 or so. I am not saying that if someones life is in danger, then too bad for them. I am saying that if there is no medical reason to abort, then you shouldn't. Now, if you don't want to debate this with me anymore, then don't respond to my posts. I will figure it out.

Look, if having a baby at the age of seven is going to kill the mom, then an abortion would be needed to prevent the death of the mother. I have said that before. If a pregnancy is going to kill the mother, it should be terminated. But only in that case. There is NEVER any excuse to Kill a baby in the womb for any reason whatsoever. Unless the mothers life is in danger (self defense)It is an EXTREMELY rare case that a girl gets her period at age 7. you are drawing at strws now. If the law allowed for ONLY children to be allowed to have abortions, that would be better than what we have now, which is anyopne can have one at any time for any reason at all. It still doesn't make abortions okay.

If you have had a period and are capable of producing eggs that can be fertilized, then you can give birth to a child. Believe me, if you get pregnant at 12, and allow it to grow for 9 months, a baby will be born. No doubt about it.

I suppose that talking with you about abortion is too much. You have had a very personal experience with an unwanted pregnancy. I understand that. There are far MORE people who have abortions simply because they JUST didn't want to be bothered right now. I will end now, because for me it doesn't matter what anyone says. I know how God feels about abortions and I will trust what he says as my ultimate decision. There is nothing anyone could say to sway me from believing what God says about it. I also don't think that anything I say will sway any of you to believe it is wrong. It's pointless to go on. Bye.

Every womans body that can produce an egg, can deliver a baby.

I do care about the women who get pregnant and don't want to be. But, like I said, there isn't anything that you can do about it once it's done. She's pregnant now. There's a baby to consider now. I sympathize with her plight, but what can you do, the life has begun. When I got pregnant with my first child, I was a teenager and not ready to have a baby, or so I felt. But, there he was. I got ready pretty fast. Life throws a hardball at people sometimes. We just have to adjust. We just can't kill the baby cause we are inconvenienced or traumatized. Nothing justifies it.

That is your decision of course, but I would seriously reconsider that. Those who reject God will be rejected by him at their death from this human life. People take out life insurance simply to help the ones they love that they leave behind. Likewise, putting your faith in Jesus is life insurance for yourself. We all die someday.

Just because God has given every parent the resposibility of caring for their own children, doesn't mean we all do. Thus, the need for adoption. God is not against adoption. As a matter of fact, the Israelites are God's chosen people and all the rest who choose to accept him as their Lord and savior become God's 'Adopted' children. He treats us as if we were his own. He gave his one and only Begotten son to save us. That's how much he loved us who he adopted as sons.

Why? Because I don't lie in order to spare your feelings? I have only spoken the truth according to God's words. He says that those who believe in him are his children and those who don't are not. How would you like me to say that any sweeter? Sorry you feel the way you do about me, but I am not going to tell you differently just because the truth might bother you.

Every life on this earth was given and taken by God's doing. EVERY life. He is the AUTHOR of life. He may decide who lives and who dies. He has that right. HE IS GOD. You or anyone else for that matter, can not. You don't have that right. No one does. Only God can do as he deems fit with his own creation. To address the "we are all God's children" thing that you like to say.... No we are NOT all God's children. Only those who believe in him are his children. The rest are his creation. Once you choose to accept Him as your Father, you then become his children.

I'm not pushing God into your face. Just having a dialogue. In the story of Moses, God gave the unbelieving Egyptians many, many chances to repent and turn to him. It didn't begin with the plague of the firstborn, it began with other plagues he sent. His motive was for the people to turn to him, recognize that He was God and repent. If they had, he would have happily gave them his forgivness and an eternal home with him on that day. Judgment on the firstborn represented judgement on the entire community. (since all the dreams and and plans of the father were bound up in his firstborn son at the time, who received a double share of the family estate when the father died.) Even though God put on them all of these plagues, even the last one which killed their sons, they still refused to acknowledge Him as God and their creator. (BTW, God did not put these plagues on his own children, those who acknowledged him by putting the blood from a lamb on their doorposts) This is a great example of mans stubborness in refusing to accept God as the one who made them. (Man is still stubborn today.)

An infidel is an unbeliever, so we are not all infidels. When and where did God demand the firstborn killed to make a point to one man? Just so you know, I couldn't make you want to run to God even if I tried. Only you and God can do that. If you don't like or approve of God and what he has to say and what he does to get mans attention, that is totally up to you.

I've never heard of that. I'm sorry to hear your news. I hope all goes well for you. Patty

Seeing that the mom of the unborn baby is the ONLY one who decides the babys fate, she and she alone will make that decision to kill it or not. In the case of the kidney: It is not the responsibility of all mankind to save others lives when they are dying from a bad kidney. If we can help and choose to do so we can. It IS the mother of an unborn babys responsibility to help her own baby survive. God has placed every parent with the responsibility to care for their own children. If they don't the scripture says that they are worse than an infidel. (1 Timothy 5:8)

I shall begin with the story told in Judges 21. God did not say to do what they did. Read verse 10. "So the assembly (those men in charge)sent 12,000 men with instructions to go and put a sword to those living there." This was not what God told them to do. The bible tells the accounts of things that happened in history, and just because they happened, doesn't mean that God ordered it. Mankind is sinful and these examples of their sin written in the bible reveal mankinds need for a Savior. We are all doomed without Jesus. Exodus 21:1-11 does not speak of selling ones daughter as Sex slaves. Please reread it again. You are mistaken. Exodus 22:19 "Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death." (I believe that the God who created us has every right to make that ruling. When you have sex with an animal, you are committing an abomination unto him.) Deut. 13:13-19 Since going to heaven after you die is the utmost important goal for mankind, God felt it better to rid the town of people who would lead others away from Him with their lies, then let generations of people die without the truth that he is the Lord. This was done in his mercy. Some had to die who were doing wrong in order to save the masses. Deut. 13:7-12 These verses show the urgency of not allowing mankind to lead others away from the one true God. For if they do, many will be lost eternally. Not just them, but their children and their children's children and so on. It is better to put to death those who will turn you away from God than to have the many masses of people die. We do this in war all the time. It is better to fight and destroy those who want to overtake us than to give up our wonderful freedoms. Should we just say " Oh yes, I don't want to fight you. I will let you have my land and kill me.:rolleyes:" It is better for God to kill those who will keep others from getting into his wonderful Heaven someday, than to let them do their damage and only a few enter in. You obviously do not understand God's ways. You are human and he is not. For God, death is not an end. It is only an end physically, not spiritually. We have eternal souls. The scriptures that you present of God taking the life of people were VERY necessary, for the preservation of the rest of us. Some were examples of his mercy and some examples of his wrath. "Does not the potter have the right to use his clay some for noble purposes and some for not?" Like I have said before, You need to read it ALL, not just the verses you don't agree with when you pick them out of context. All of these are to show you the severity of committing sin. It will keep you from Heaven. BUT he also shows us how to avoid not entering heaven. Everyone speaks loudly about the wrath of God and his injustices (as they perceive it)and ignores his love and mercy and the fact that he gave you his one and only son to die in your place because of your sin. Why don't you try to see what God has DONE for YOU instead of what you perceive as his injustices. You have God pegged all wrong because you are not willing to study what he is teaching in his word or getting to know him.

Even though prior to that ruling, in 1824 in a case involving Stephen Gerard, who considered the bible a fable, the supreme court ruled that the New testament principals of morality were to be taught in the schools. In other words, the supreme court totally rejected the ideas of education without christian princpals. The modern court in 1962, ignored the writings of our early leaders and finally completely separated christian principals from education. Prayer became illegal in schools. What was the prayer the kids used to pray? "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon thee, and we beg thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our country." So in 1963 was the first time in our Nations History that we had separation of church and state. A brand new doctrine. They 'rewrote' the First Amendment! It's been going downhill since then. God has removed some of his blessings from us. We are slowly turning from the greatest country in the world to the country of debt and sorrow.

Jefferson wrote a letter to a baptist Association in Danbury, Ct and told them that the gov. was "thus building a wall of separation between church and state" in 1802. This is the first time this term was used and it was used because there was a rumor going around that a certain denomination was going to become the official state religion of the U.S. He wanted to reassure them that this would not happen. Jefferson made it clear that he was talking solely about the establishment of a national denomination and nothing more when he said that. The courts, however, in 1947 took the phrase out of context. They ruled that the founding fathers wanted a strict separation of religion from government. And the myth continues today.

The mislabeled Establishment Clause of the first amendment simply means that the our lawmakers cannot set up a national religion. That's why they left England. They didn't want a state religion that would impose taxes and set up a monarchy to head the church as England had done. At the same time, they wanted an amendment that would make it illegal to forbid people from practicing their religious beliefs. In no way was the first amendment written to take God out of public life. They never intended for christianity and gov. to have absolutely no connection. In fact, on the same day that congress adopted the first ammendment to the constitution, it also voted to install congressional chaplains and to make official days of thanksgiving and prayer. If they had meant to separate the gov. from God and the bible, it certainly would not have voted to participate in such obvious activities.

On what grounds did the supreme court rule the 10 commandments illegal in public schools? The justices said it was not permissible "under the Establishment Clause" included by the original authors of the constitution. Did our founding fathers intend for the Establishment Clause to make the 10 commandments and the bible contraband material? Not according to historical facts. The day they completed the constitution in1778, they passed the Northwest ordinance. This document was drafted by the founding fathers to give guidance to new territories like Ohio, Ill., Ind., Mich.,etc. Why is that significant? Because this ordinance, in Article Three, states that "religion, morality, and civility, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools, and the means of education shall forever be encouraged." Note that this Gov. made it a law that 'religion', which the delegates considered to be Christianity, to be taught in all educational institutions throughout the territory. Teach religion and morality? What about separation of church and state? Doesn't our const. forbid religious instruction? The writers of this ordinance didn't think so, and many of them helped to frame the constitution of the United States. It was never their intention to separate christian teaching and practices from public life in this country.

What is the secret of America's greatness? God blessed us. Why? His own word in the bible provides the answer: "Blessed is the Nation whose God is the Lord."

Americas history has been rewritten in the past 50 yrs. to camouflage our forefathers' christian committment.They came to set up a government based on christian principles. As products of the reformation that swept thru europe and England, they had been influenced by the teachings of John Calvin and Martin Luther.These 2 taught that man is by nature a sinner, but that he can be regenerated and transformed solely by the grace of God and faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.The reformation awakened the masses to the teaching of the scriptures, and they began to yearn for a "new world" where they could establish a society based on biblical principles. The primary purpose of education was to enable the people to pursue the truth for themselves. The first colonial school in 1607 taught the letter "A" and was followed by:"A wise son makes a glad father, and a foolish son is the heaviness of his mother." and "B": "Better is a little with the fear of the Lord than great treasure and trouble therewith." Such were the lessons learned by James Madison and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and every other school student for 200 years---until the early 20th century. How did we get from Godly leaders to greedy politicians? How did we get from colonial christian education to pagan public schools, secular humanism and a valueless society? How did we get to a place wher we are reeling under the weight of drug addiction, teenage pregnancy, crime, dysfunctional families, private debt, and public debt? Maybe it's time to dust off the old prophets and listen intently to their solemn warnings. Isaiah lived in a time not unlike ours where people had forgotten God. When he proclaimed God's words about the wickedness of Judah, he could very well have been talking about America today.

Obsessed? no. The bible does say that noone will know the Day or the Hour, but it doesn't say we won't be able to see it getting closer to the times. He gave us the signs to look for and said "when you see all these things happening, know that the hour is near." Also, I don't dread Jesus' return at all. I welcome it actually. I long for it and desire to see him come soon. My only concern is that as I see that day nearing, according to what he predicts will happen before he returns, I fear for the people who will not turn to him and accept Him as their Savior. They need to know.

You said it. Yet the gov. continues to interfere by trying to make laws that go against what God deems 'right'. The gov. wants to allow gay people to marry, they should not be interfering in that. God said no already. The gov. allows abortions , and they shouldn't be interfering in that. God said no to that also. The gov. wants to keep the 10 commandments out of its buildings. They should not be interfering in our christian nation. The first amendment was written to protect the church from gov. interference. Not the opposite as you and others seem to believe.