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In spite of? All those statements from our founding fathers show their intent in forming this Nation. Our country only recently (like within the last 50 years or so) took christianity out of Government. And you can see where that has gotten us. When you say that our country protects those who don't ascribe to a specific relegion, you are right and they should. Because people are free to choose whatever or whomever they like to worship. But, that doesn't negate that christianity is Americas founding faith. I've said this before. English is our nations language. You can live in America and speak any tongue you wish, but it doesn't negate that english is our language here. We don't push people out who want to speak french, and we don't push people out who want to worship Buddah. The thing is, we don't want to be told that our government can't speak english here any more and we don't want to be told that the government can't be christian any more. But that is what those who don't believe in God are doing. Or should I say 'have done.' They pushed christianity out of government and is slowly infiltrating every aspect of government to be secular (atheistic). Did you know that if you are an atheist, then that's your religion? You have faith that there is no God. Why is it okay then for the atheist religion to be the religion of America?

[quote name=KartMan You have told me many times that you abhor organized religion. If you had your Utopia and religion was allowed to influence government, what makes you think the leaders of this government would implement the laws according to YOUR religious principals? From what I have seen, you have a pretty specific set of beliefs, I would think that you would be doing all that you could to prevent government form stepping on those beliefs. A wise person once said “Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it”. I do abhor religion. I love for people to have a relationship with their Creator though. The leaders of this country would never implement the laws according to the bible. We have come too far from it.They have flip flopped in thir morals. They see what is right as wrong and what is wrong as right. It has already been prophecied in the scripture that christians will not get what they desire from the government, but we should still fight for it till He comes back. We need to tell the people about God and his plan for them anyway, so they will be saved. To clarify: Your last sentence was "Be careful what you wish for....."- I don't wish for gov. to go back to its original christian roots per say, because I already know that that will not happen. It's more that I wish that America would see how far they have come from what God had intended this Nation to be, and realize it and repent. I wish for the people to "see" our sin as a Nation and regret it and turn back to God. "Blessed is the Nation whose God is the Lord." The end has been written. We WILL bow our knees to him. You also. All of us. Everyone. The scripture teaches that "Every knee shall bow and every tongue WILL confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of all to the glory of God the Father." This will happen when he returns to set up that "Christian" world (not nation) that I wish for. So, you see the christians (those who have a belief in the one true God, the one who created us) will have the victory when this battle is over. By christians I mean 'anyone' from any denomination or even no denomination at all who puts their faith in Jesus. The jewish Nation is also included. They, too, believe in the same God as us.

1490-1492 – Columbus’ commission was given to set out to find a new world. According to Columbus’ personal log, his purpose in seeking undiscovered worlds was to “bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the heathens. …. It was the Lord who put into my mind … that it would be possible to sail from here to the Indies … I am the most unworthy sinner, but I have cried out to the Lord for grace and mercy, and they have covered me completely … No one should fear to undertake any task in the name of our Saviour, if it is just and if the intention is purely for His holy service.” (Columbus’ Book of Prophecies) April 10, 1606 – The Charter for the Virginia Colony read in part: “To the glory of His divine Majesty, in propagating of the Christian religion to such people as yet live in ignorance of the true knowledge and worship of God.” November 3, 1620 – King James I grants the Charter of the Plymouth council. “In the hope thereby to advance the enlargement of the Christian religion, to the glory of God Almighty.” November 11, 1620 – The Pilgrims sign the Mayflower Compact aboard the Mayflower, in Plymouth harbor. “For the glory of God and advancement of ye Christian faith … doe by these presents solemnly & mutually in ye presence of God and one of another, covenant & combine our selves togeather into a civill body politick.” March 4, 1629 – The first Charter of Massachusetts read in part: “For the directing, ruling, and disposeing of all other Matters and Thinges, whereby our said People may be soe religiously, peaceablie, and civilly governed, as their good life and orderlie Conversacon, maie wynn and incite the Natives of the Country to the Knowledg and Obedience of the onlie true God and Savior of Mankinde, and the Christian Fayth, which in our Royall Intencon, and The Adventurers free profession, is the principall Ende of the Plantacion..” January 14, 1638 – The towns of Hartford, Weathersfield and Windsor adopt the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut. “To mayntayne and presearve the liberty and purity of the Gospell of our Lord Jesus, which we now professe…” August 4, 1639 – The governing body of New Hampshire is established. “Considering with ourselves the holy will of God and our own necessity, that we should not live without wholesome laws and civil government among us, of which we are altogether destitute, do, in the name of Christ and in the sight of God, combine ourselves together to erect and set up among us such government as shall be, to our best discerning, agreeable to the will of God…” September 26, 1642 – The rules and precepts that were to govern Harvard were set up. “Let every Student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the maine end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternall life, John 17:3 and therefore to lay Christ in the bottome, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and Learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisdome, Let every one seriously set himselfe by prayer in secret to seeke it of him Prov. 2.3.” Harvard College was founded on Christi Gloriam and later dedicated Christo et Ecclesiae. The founders of Harvard believed that “all knowledge without Christ was vain.” The charter of Yale University clearly expressed the purpose for which the school was founded: “Whereas several well disposed and Publick spirited Persons of their sincere Regard to & zeal for upholding & propagating of the Christian Protestant Religion … youth may be instructed in the Arts & Sciences who through the blessing of Almighty God may be fitted for Publick employment both in Church & Civil State.” In addition to Harvard and Yale, 106 out of the first 108 schools in America were founded on the Christian faith. April 3, 1644 – The New Haven Colony adopts their charter. “That the judicial laws of God, as they were delivered by Moses … be a rule to all the courts in this jurisdiction …” 1647 – Governor William Bradford publishes Of Plimouth Plantation. “Lastly, (and which was not least,) a great hope and inward zeall they (the Pilgrims) had of laying some good foundation, or at least to make some way thereunto, for ye propagation and advancing of ye gospell or ye kingdom of Christ in those remote parts of ye world; yea, though they should be but stepping-stones unto others for ye performing of so great a work … their desires were set on ye ways of God, and to employ his ordinances; but they rested on his providence, and know whom they had beleeved.” April 21, 1649 – The Maryland Toleration Act is passed. “Be it therefor … enacted … that no person or persons whatsoever within this province … professing to believe in Jesus Christ shall … henceforth be any ways troubled, molested (or disapproved of) … in respect of his or her religion nor in the free exercise thereof …” April 25, 1689 – The Great Law of Pennsylvania is passed. “Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and the end of government … therefore government itself is a venerable ordinance of God …” May 20, 1775 – North Carolina passes the Mecklenburg County Resolutions. “We hereby declare ourselves a free and independent people; are, and of a right ought to be, a sovereign and self-governing association, under control of no other power than that of our God and the general government of Congress.” Summer 12, 1775 – Continental Congress issues a call to all citizens to fast and pray and confess their sin that the Lord might bless the land. “And it is recommended to Christians of all denominations, to assemble for public worship, and to abstain from servile labor and recreation on said day.” Summer 2-4, 1776 – Declaration of Independence written and signed. “We hold these truths … that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights … appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world … And for the support of this Declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence…” As the Declaration was being signed, Samuel Adams said: “We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let his kingdom come.” On the same day, Benjamin Franklin suggested that the national motto be: “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.” Historian and philosopher G.K. Chesterton said of the founding of America that it is “the only nation in the world that is founded on a creed. That creed is set forth in dogmatic and even theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence.” September 17, 1787 – The Constitution of the United States is finished. At least 50 out of the 55 men who framed the Constitution of the United States were professing Christians. (M.E. Bradford, A Worthy Company, Plymouth Rock Foundation., 1982). Eleven of the first 13 States required faith in Jesus Christ and the Bible as qualification for holding public office. The Constitution of each of the 50 States acknowledges and calls upon the Providence of God for the blessings of freedom. 1787 – James Madison, the “architect” of the federal Constitution and fourth president: “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future .. upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God.” April 30, 1789 – Washington gives his First Inaugural Address. “My fervent supplications to that Almighty Being Who rules over the universe, Who presides in the council of nations, and Whose providential aid can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a government instituted by Himself for these essential purposes.” March 11, 1792 – President George Washington: “I am sure that never was a people who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency which so often manifested in the Revolution.” December 20, 1820 – Daniel Webster, Plymouth Massachusetts: “Let us not forget the religious character of our origin. Our fathers brought hither their high veneration for the Christian religion. They journeyed by its light, and labored in its hope. They sought to incorporate … and to diffuse its influence through all their institutions, civil, political and literary.” July 4, 1821 – John Quincy Adams: “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity. From the day of the Declaration … they (the American people) were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct.” 1833 – Noah Webster: “The religion which has introduced civil liberty, is the religion of Christ and his apostles … This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free constitutions and government … the moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws.” 1841 – Alexis de Tocqueville (Democracy in America): “In the United States of America the sovereign authority is religious … there is no other country in the world in which the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America.” Summer 8, 1845 – President Andrew Jackson asserts: “The Bible is the rock upon which our Republic rests.” February 11, 1861 – Abraham Lincoln, farewell at Springfield, Illinois: “Unless the great God who assisted (Washington) shall be with me and aid me, I must fail; but if the same Omniscient Mind and Mighty Arm that directed and protected him shall guide and support me, I shall not fail … Let us all pray that the God of our fathers may not forsake us now.” Lincoln on the Bible: “In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it, we would not know right from wrong. All things most desireable for man’s welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.” (George L. Hunt, Calvinism and the Political Order, Westminster Press, 1965, p.33) 1884 – U.S. Supreme Court reiterates the Declaration’s reference to our rights as being God-given. These inherent rights have never been more happily expressed than in the Declaration of Independence, “we hold these truths to be self-evident” that is, so plain that their truth is recognized upon their mere statement “that all men are endowed” – not by edicts of emperors, or by decrees of parliament, or acts of Congress, but “by their Creator with certain inalienable rights and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and to secure these” – not grant them but secure them “governments are instituted among men.” 1891 – The U.S. Supreme Court restates that America is a “Christian Nation.” “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian … this is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation … we find everywhere a clear definition of the same truth … this is a Christian nation.” (Church of the Holy Trinity vs. United States, 143 US 457, 36 L ed 226, Justice Brewer) 1909 – President Theodore Roosevelt: “After a week on perplexing problems … it does so rest my soul to come into the house of The Lord and to sing and mean it, ‘Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty’ … (my) great joy and glory that in occupying an exalted position in the nation, I am enabled, to preach the practical moralities of the Bible to my fellow-countrymen and to hold up Christ as the hope and Savior of the world.” (Ferdinand C. Iglehart, Theodore Roosevelt – The Man As I knew Him, A.L. Burt, 1919) 1913 – President Woodrow Wilson: “America was born to exemplify the devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the Holy Scriptures.” 1952 – US Supreme Court defines the “Separation of Church and State.” “We are a religious people and our institutions presuppose a Supreme Being … No Constitutional requirement makes it necessary for government to be hostile to religion and to throw its weight against the efforts to widen the scope of religious influence. The government must remain neutral when it comes to competition between sects … The First Amendment, however, does not say that in every respect there shall be a separation of Church and State.” January 20, 1977 – President Jimmy Carter: “Here before me is the Bible used in the inauguration of our first President in 1789, and I have just taken the oath of office on the Bible my mother gave me just a few years ago, opened to the timeless admonition from the ancient prophet Micah: ‘He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God’” (Micah 6:2). 1980 – President Ronald Reagan: “The time has come to turn to God and reassert our trust in Him for the Healing of America … our country is in need of and ready for a spiritual renewal.” May 3, 1990 – President George Bush proclaims National Day of Prayer. “The great faith that led our Nation’s Founding Fathers to pursue this bold experience in self-government has sustained us in uncertain and perilous times; it has given us strength to this very day. Like them, we do very well to recall our ‘firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence,’ to give thanks for the freedom and prosperity this nation enjoys, and to pray for continued help and guidance from our wise and loving Creator.”

I get tired of people being cruel and insensitive to me and saying things about me that simply aren't true. I get tired of people like YOU calling me names and then feeling justified to do so. People who claim to be christians, yet act sooooooooo unchristlike. Who do you think you are trying to tell me that I am judgmental and give me advice about how to be a better witness for Christ and then turn around and call me a bit*h? People like Wasa and you should heed Jesus' advice about taking the plank out of their own eye before they try to remove a sliver from someone elses. This has nothing to do with being 10 (childish), it has everything to do with being kind. All I have ever done on this particular thread was answer some questions as I believe the bible has taught. You didn't like my answers or something? I am done with you. I give you to God. BTW, I'm waiting for your apology.:thumbup: .........yeah right. I didn't think so. You call someone a bit*ch and justify it. Some Christian.

Wasa is one to talk. She is the one who doesn't feel I have anything of value to say. She admits that and also says it wastes her time to read what I have to say. Who's the disrespectful one? Imagine if I said that I was wasting my time talking with her because she brings me nothing of value. What others have to say, whether they agree with your values and morals and way of thinking, can always bring something to the table. She is the one who is closeminded!

Wasa put me on ignore simply because I don't agree with him. We are on total opposite ends of the spectrum. He is an atheist and I am a born again christian. At every chance he gets, he feels the need to tell people that there is no such thing as God, and I do the opposite. He didn't like that I spoke the truth to him, so he is like those Pharasees in the bible who tore their clothes and put their fingers in their ears when Jesus claimed to be God come in the flesh. They just didn't want to hear it. Wasa is like that. He just doesn't want to hear it. He only wants to hear what his itching ears want to hear, not the truth. It had nothing to do with my attitude, cause his attitude was the same, only the opposite belief as mine. This holier than thou attitude that you feel I have is complete nonsense. I will be the first to tell anyone that I am a sinner and have not lived as I should before God. I am thankful to God for my salvation, because I know that I would be lost without him. There isn't a day that goes by where I am free from my faults. This holier than thou attitude you feel I have is because I am not one to mince words. I tell it like it is. There is no need to sugar coat what God has said. If people hate me, I just remember that God said, "If they hate and reject you, just remember that they hated and rejected me first."

I want to make something clear. I have no desire to condemn any sinners, for if I did, I would have to condemn myself as well. I do desire to point out that mankind is indeed sinful and is in need of Jesus to get saved, though. To answer your question.... The prophecy that I say you are fulfilling is that people will think that what is right in God's eyes is wrong and what is wrong in God's eyes is right. Think about it? Don't people call abortion okay, even though it is wrong according to God? Don't people say that homosexuality should be accepted in society, even though God has said it is an abomination unto him? Don't people feel that it is okay to live with their partner and have premarital sex without the marriage committment even though God has said it is wrong? No one is stopping me from praying...yet. I happen to know and understand how the story ends though. The bible makes it clear that it starts with mankinds rejection of God and his pushing the truth away little by little. First, you take prayer to Him out of the schools, then you get rid of the bible from the schools, then you take away the truth of creation and substitute it with evolution, then you watch these children who grow up being taught human secularism and that there is no God get into positions of decision making for the rest of the country, then bills get passed that take away the sanctity of human life (abortion) and then the breakdown of the family with homosexual marriages coming around the bend, then they decide to legalize prostitution, and make marajuana okay in small amounts, and on and on and on I could go, then those who protest all this sinful turn of immorality begin to be called bigots and haters and intollerant people (christians), then they desire to shut them up. The scripture teaches that christians will be hated for their stand on righteousness, they will eventually be persecuted and dispised in the end before Jesus gets fed up with it all and returns to separate those who love him from those who don't. One thing I am grateful for is that in the end God has the victory. About the Jewish people you mentioned. The Jewish people are God's chosen people. They are his natural children. The rest of the world (gentiles) if they so choose to accept God's gift of his son, Jesus, to be their savior, then become his adopted children. If it were not for the Jewish peoples rejection of Jesus when he came to save them from their sins, God may not have given the call to the rest of mankind to come to him. To calrify: My definition of a sinner is: "anyone who does anything that is against what God would deem righteous or good." My definition of a believer: Any sinner who accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior and has asked him to forgive their sins and let them enter into heaven someday.

In your quoted statement, God is tallking about 'unbelievers' rejecting 'believers' , NOT 'believers' rejecting 'unbelievers'. BTW, I don't 'reject' anyone, or exclude people because they are different. I simply disaprove of their sinful choices. I even disaprove of my sinful choices. Also, just to clarify, the color of someones skin is irrelevent. There is no sin in the color of ones skin. Al are equal in God's eyes and in mine. So, why do you add 'white' people to that list of your so called people that you say I don't reject? Jesus did walk among unbelievers. You're right. And he said that we as his children would also. But he didn't want to separate them from him. He wanted them to join him. The government, that was set up by christians, didn't want to separate unbelievers from them, they wanted unbelievers to 'join' them also. Separating christianity in this country from the public would only separate Jesus from the public. Jesus said "I am the light of the world." and told christians "Don't hide your lamp under a bushel". How can the world get to know about Jesus if they are kept from his family? Christians are God's tools to bring his truths into the world. He tells us to tell others about him. He tells us to speak the truth about his love, but also about his hate for sin. Many christians have no problem talking about God's love for mankind, but don't want to talk about his hatred for sin. Because that may bring hatred upon themselves. Who wants controversy? But Jesus said "They (unbelievers) hated me first, so expect them to hate you also."

It is one humble person who feels that he is not in need to apologize for calling someone a bit*h.:thumbup: I will chalk it up to your being immature and forget it. To answer your question... What the heck are you talking about? - "Do I have a heaven or hell to place anyone in?" On this thread, I simply answered the questions posted with biblical accuracy. I judged noone. I also have not looked down on anybody.

You are fulfilling biblical prophecy with those words and you don't even know it. God has said that before his return to this earth to set up his Kingdom, the people would reject those that are his and everything that is right in his eyes would be considered wrong by the people of the world and everything that was wrong in his eyes they would consider right.

Christ does not advocate murder in his name. Nor theft, abuse, or corruption. Mankind is sinful and does as he pleases. The only way to explain why people do the bad things that they do is because THEY choose to. It is not what God desires. This country started out Christian. They allowed anyone to live here and worship whomever they chose. If you want to worship Allah or Buddah or Satan for that matter, no one is stopping you from your freedom to do so. But the christian faith is Americas faith. Just like English is Americas language. You can speak any language you want to in America. Noone is stopping you, just don't expect Americans to accomodate the hundreds of differing languages by making all our road signs and all our laws written out in all the many laguages.

The first amendment was not written to keep religion out of government, but to keep government from interfering in religion. Which at the time of its writing was predominately Christian. They fled government interference in England and wanted to set up a Christian government without the Government establishing a Head or State church for all to be obedient to. It is true that there are many Christian schools and other options for christians to choose from concerning education, but why should we, and then we have to pay for it ourselves, too. We were doing just fine in public schools before the secular people pushed prayer and bible reading out of it. I say if they didn't want to join the ranks, since Christianity was what this country was founded upon and here first, then THEY should have had to build their own private schools that didn't teach or say anything about God, and pay for it themselves. This is where America went wrong. Christians, who were and still are the majority in this country, just sat back and allowed it to happen. As for the prayer in school thing, The 1994 elections reflected the voters aversion to big taxes and big government and a grave concern for moral decline.A poll taken after the election showed that 56% of Americans believed the countries problems were basically moral and cultural in nature. When an amendment regarding prayer in public schools was suggested by new republican leaders, some churches didn't want the gov. to dictate a specific prayer for the children to pray. So they suggested a moment of silence in the classroom. Silent awe in the presence of the universe may be a humanistic definition of prayer, but christianity is a faith of verbal communication with God. It should not be further discriminated by smuggling in a pseudo-option. A call for prayer in our schools needs to be a truly heartfelt desire to honor God and acknowledge him. God knows when he is being mocked. Putting prayer to God back into the schools is in order, but it wont fix more than 60 years of entrenched humanism fostered by the NEA. we have a godless culture in America today and it shows. Something is wrong when the nation's highest ranking medical drs. want to give condoms to 10 year olds, favors gays in the Boy scouts, and thinks taking toy guns out of the hands of children will end the violence in America. It seems the secularists always are willing to place restrictions on anything except sex. Pornography is everywhere, corruption, scandals, etc. Where once we were appalled, now we shake our heads and count it as another sign of the times. The real problem is a change in our society from a Judeo-Christian conscience to a humanistic one. Humanism means that "man is the measure of all things". and "material energy shaped by pure chance is the final reality". No place for God in there. It is the worship of man. This leaves a vacuum, gives no meaning to life, and provides no value system and supplies no basis for law. Why? Because man has no possible source of knowledge except what man can figure out by his own observation. Therefore, law becomes arbitrary as certain people make decisions as to what is best for society at any given time. This is the real reason for the US breakdown in morality. Thomas Jefferson declared: "God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?" The answer is no. And the result is apparent.

Topics start debates, they don't rule them. When someone is in need of some compassion, all else should be set aside. I hope all goes well.

You are so right about everything you said. Especially the TV thing. The liberal media has overtaken the airways. I believe this is due to the many christians in the past 100 years or so that felt that these kinds of jobs and many others were considered "worldly" or not the best kinds of occupations. When technology happened, and TV came around, these jobs were filled by secularists. Those who founded this country wanted christians to serve their community and get involved with these kinds of jobs, yet they didn't. Over time, secularists and liberals overtook the media, and gov. positions. Now the humanistic controlled supreme court, forces secularization of our schools by taking away anything christian (prayer, and bible teachings, like creationism). Along with that went moral training and character building and we have raised a generation of permissive educators and media people who look on religion as a threat rather than a stabalizing force in our society. One study, Approx. 20 years ago, showed that only 8% of the people in the news media attend church or synagog regularly: 86% seldom do. This comes to reality when you hear this story: 63,000 men-mostly fathers and husbands gathered in Indianapolis as part of a group called Promise Keepers and made a committment to live for God and to build Christian families. A week later, 35,000 Promise Keepers met in Houston, and 20,000 met in Portland, OR. There was no reports of it anywhere. Not on the news, in the papers, nowhere. Yet, when a church up in Seattle appointed a homosexual couple as pastors of their church, it was printed in USA Today and given national coverage. The news media is so bias. Because christianity is held in such contempt by the media, " a gunman in Pensacola, a lunatic in Waco, and an abortion doctor killer remain exemplars of religion instead of the sick people that they are, and all christians are considered haters and intollerant. What the secular world has done to public education is another story in itself!

Sorry to hear that your husband is not there with you. If ever we need them, it's at a time like this when we need their shoulders to cry on and another person to be with who feels like we do. When is it scheduled for?

rodriquezequal, All I can say to you is I wish I could help you through that. You may not believe me, but I do. I am crying as I type this, because we have been debating (arguing) this issue for a while and all you know of me is my stand on issues that are controversial. I truly DO have a heart. There is another side of me that if you got to know, you would like. Even though I believe you don't like me as a person, I want you to know this anyway. I am very sorry for what you have to go through. I will pray for your son. Any mom who has to endure her child going through surgery, goes through a stressful, anxious, worrisome time. I know how hard it is for you, because my son had surgey at 2 years old. It wasn't brain surgery, but just that he had to go under anesthesia was enough to make me sick. So, my heart goes out to you as a mom. My love and prayers. Patty

They say that '25' is the m agic number. Once they turn 25 or so, the light switch comes on for them. The respect comes back, they 'see' what you've done for them, they appreciate you again. Now we have all the answers again. We just need to be patient and understand that these teen years won't last forever! Even though it may seem like an eternity! lol

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My husband and I raised 10. When the 5 youngest were little, I had all 5 under 6 years old. I couldn't wait for them to get older, so they could do more for themselves. Yeah right! They are all teenagers now and I still do it all!

We must be willing to speak out against the evils in our land today. If we don't, who will?

The Massachusettes Supreme Court ruled by a six to one margin that a man could not award goldfish as prizes in games of chance. It reasoned that such practices "dull the humanitarian feeling of prize winners". The same court made Medicaid funding of abortions mandatory throughout the state. we as a society have the right and a responsibility to decide that some things are right and some things are wrong, and that we are going to make the wrong things illegal. Just as we say that we are not going to let the KKK impose their insanity on people of color, we have the same right to say were not going to let people continue to slaughter babies. Even if we can't win, we can have the right to be faithful. The sanctity of life is the defining moral and spiritual issue of our time. Why? Because the consequences will affect you, your children, your grandchildren, and will determine the kind of society in which we are going to live. "Will it be a civilized one or a barbarous one?" Will it be christian or pagan? Only you can determine the outcome.

As Christians we are often asked."What gives you the right to impose your morality on somebody else?" The answer is simple. Laws against murder, theft, rape, and racism are the legislation of morality. If we don't legislate morality, the immoral will impose their immorality on us. It can be explained this way: When we pass laws making murder, theft, rape and racism illegal, we are not so much trying to impose our morality on murderers, rapists, thieves and racists as we are trying to keep them from imposing their immorality on us and on their victims. When we seek to pass laws restricting a woman's supposed right to kill her unborn baby, we are not so much trying to impose our morality on her as we are on trying to keep her from imposing her immorality on her unborn child. Romans 1 tells us that "they worshipped and served the creature rather than the creator." When you worship yourself, then only your life counts. Everyone else is expendable. whether it be the baby in your womb or the parent in the nursing home. The only hope for this nation is the reasserting of the foundational value upon which this Nation was based--the sanctity of every human individual life.

The supreme court is not the supreme authority for christians. Let's remember that they can be wrong. In the Dred Scott decision in 1857, they said that slaves weren't people. They can't tell us what is right and wrong. They can only give us nine lawyers opinions about what's legal and what's illegal, and that's a far cry from what is right and wrong. Still, we have to live with the results. (or die from them, as the babies do)

How can the wisdom of a reprobate 'culture' be expected to act responsibly when there are no guidelines or absolutes to determine what is right or wrong? Thats why America today is calling evil good and good evil. (isaiah 5:20) As a result, our Nation has moved towards spiritual and moral anarchy while everyone does what is right in his own eyes. (prov. 21:2) Every 20 seconds a woman demands her 'rights' and a baby is killed in its mothers womb. Whether the baby is burned with saline, ripped limb from limb or sucked out in tiny pieces he or she experiences excrutiating pain. Sorry about the graphics, but that's the truth. No one wants to hear about that. I DO feel sorry for any child who gets raped or has an unwanted pregnancy, but that does not negate how I ALSO feel about the baby in the womb! No matter how much they try to deny it---to themselves and others---every abortion doctor knows a baby suffers when it is killed in the womb. In fact, according to a recent survey of 1000 abortionists, 38 % expressed moral misgivings about the abortion procedure itself. Patrick Buchanan notes that the equivalent of the population of Australia has been sliced up in the womb and sucked out in a country that endlessly lectures the world on human rights! I agree. The liberals say"I ammy own law. I decide what is right for me, you decide what is right for you. What's the result? Rampant sexual promiscuity which we accomodate through legalized abortion, permissive sex education, and evermore effective birth preventatives.

Maybe I should have said MOST. Most who have a period at a young age and get pregnant will deliver a baby. Some may have a problem. Also, MOST adults that have a period and get pregnant will have a baby. Some may have a problem. Wow!