pattygreen

I agree. He knew what the repurcussions would be. An angry mob of women who want the right to kill their babies simply because they are within their own bodies. How sick. Who would want to confront these women who feel that this kind of murder is okay with them? I'm not afraid to say it though. If the law was that abortions were illegal then women and doctors who murder babies should sustain the same consequences that murderers get. Prison time.

There will always be some people in this country who are prejudice. I'm not defending them. I find prejudices to be petty and infantile. People who can not see beyond the color of someones skin really irk me, but there's not much that can be done about morons. But to blame a whole organization on the stupid acts of a few is also immature and petty. As you know, the Bush protestors also had their murderous and Nazi signs out there, and it will always happen. Deficit spending did matter during the Bush administration, but it crept up on the people over time. When Obama campaigned on 'change' the people really thought he meant it. Changing the BIG government and all the spending. But when he also did the exact same thing as Bush and all the other presidents of the past, he infuriated the people. He wasn't changing crap. He's just like all the rest of them, and proved himself to be an even bigger spender than the last ones. If you want to say that the people feel this way about Obama because of the color of his skin, I can only imagine that you feel that way because you actually want that to be the reason for our disgust in him. If that's true, then people like you can't see past your own nose to the real issue behind our disappointment in him as the leader of our country. The race card has been played enough. Race is obviously not the issue, since he won the presidency for crying out loud. people didn't care about his skin color then and they don't now. (except maybe a few donkeys like that guy) What's the reason for his popularity decline? Is that because he has black skin, too?

18 year old preganant girl must get a job. I know many pregnant women who worked till the baby was born. If she is homeless, she may sleep at any of the shelters in her state until she saves enough to rent a room in a nice home with someone. She recieves food stamps, so that will keep her from being hungry. I see rooms for rent all over the newspaper for less than $100. a week, all utilities and furnishings included, and I live in CT. She takes multivitamins every day ($5.00) a bottle at CVS, and if she has any problems, she may walk into any ER in her town. They will not turn her away. Or, she could apply for medicaid. You know, the HC program that we ALREADY have set up for the uninsured. When the baby comes, and she can not afford to care for it, she may give it up for adoption. If she chooses to keep her baby, then she must also accept that responsiblity to care for him or her. She must be willing to work full time and pay someone to sit with the baby while she works. Yes, life will be hard financially, but these are the consequences for having sex outside of marriage. But wait. She will want to live in a 2 bedroom apartment, and she will want to have cable TV and that's not included with the room, and wait, she will expect to be able to still be entertained with eating out and movies once a week like it was at home with her parents before they kicked her out. And, oh yeah, she won't be satisfied with working at Kmart. She needs the government to pay for her to go to school, cause she doesn't want to sacrifice or anything and put $25.00 a week away for a CNA certification class offered at the local Red cross for $800. If she did, then she could earn at least $6.00 more an hour. But no, that would take too long to save up. Almost a year or so. Believe me, she will be fine without any government assistance. It's called 'work', and there are plenty of jobs out there. If you're not willing to work, then you can not have the things you will need.

All people, including 18 year old pregnant girls, must endure the consequences for their own actions. Without consequences, this world would be a utopia. We have consequences form tiny choices that we make to huge ones, and each consequence plays a part in training and learning and teaching us. When the government takes away the consequences for it's citizens wrong actions, the citizens suffer. When the theif was immediately hung in the town square for his actions, there was immensely rare occasions of thievery going on. The people witnessed the consequences and thought twice about going down that path of life. When the wrongdoer gets a slap on the wrist, they go back to do it all over again. That's why our prisons are overcrowded today. The government of the people played a major role in the way society acts today. They have lessened the consequences for wrongs, and have enabled society to becomne dependant on them for the outcome of their dilemmas. If there were no such thing as student grants for college, an able bodied young 18 year old might find the satisfaction in holding down 2 jobs to save for his education and then when the time came and he paid for his schooling he could find a sense of pride in himself for reaching his goal. Today everything is handed to people, and they almost feel deserving of it. Kids seem to think they must attend the state college at $15,000. a year over the community college at $2,500. a year. Both have the same degree at the end. They can't eat mac and cheese and hotdogs while scrimping to save for a better education. They want steak while the government pays for their education.

Here are some other things that I should not have to pay for. But you should, since you love your government sooooo much and want to give it your full support. 1. The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008. 2. Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security. 3. Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties. 4. Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them–costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually–fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve. 5. The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts. 6. Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 safe water programs. 7. Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job. 8. A GAO audit classified nearly half of all purchases on government credit cards as improper, fraudulent, or embezzled. Examples of taxpayer-funded purchases include gambling, mortgage payments, liquor, lingerie, iPods, Xboxes, jewelry, Internet dating services, and Hawaiian vacations. In one extraordinary example, the Postal Service spent $13,500 on one dinner at a Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse, including “over 200 appetizers and over $3,000 of alcohol, including more than 40 bottles of wine costing more than $50 each and brand-name liquor such as Courvoisier, Belvedere and Johnny Walker Gold.” The 81 guests consumed an average of $167 worth of food and drink apiece. 9. Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually. 10. The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters. 11. The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida. 12. Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000. 13. Health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $60 billion annually. 14. A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns. 15. The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades. 16. Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute. 17. Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout. 18. Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year’s 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia. 19. The federal government owns more than 50,000 vacant homes. 20. The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland. 21. Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines–plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars. 22. More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for. 23. Fraud related to Hurricane Katrina spending is estimated to top $2 billion. In addition, debit cards provided to hurricane victims were used to pay for Caribbean vacations, NFL tickets, Dom Perignon champagne, “Girls Gone Wild” videos, and at least one sex change operation. 24. Auditors discovered that 900,000 of the 2.5 million recipients of emergency Katrina assistance provided false names, addresses, or Social Security numbers or submitted multiple applications. 25. Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737. 26. The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY)–but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department’s budget. 27. Washington has spent $3 billion re-sanding beaches–even as this new sand washes back into the ocean. 28. A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in “stimulus” funding for broadband Internet will be wasted. 29. The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were refundable. 30. Washington spends $60,000 per hour shooting Air Force One photo-ops in front of national landmarks. 31. Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 on admission to entertainment events, $48,250 on gambling, $69,300 on cruises, and $73,950 on exotic dance clubs and prostitutes. 32. Members of Congress are set to pay themselves $90 million to increase their franked mailings for the 2010 election year. 33. Congress has ignored efficiency recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services that would save $9 billion annually. 34. Taxpayers are funding paintings of high-ranking government officials at a cost of up to $50,000 apiece. 35. The state of Washington sent $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 households in order to raise state caseload figures and trigger $43 million in additional federal funds. 36. Suburban families are receiving large farm subsidies for the grass in their backyards–subsidies that many of these families never requested and do not want. 37. Congress appropriated $20 million for “commemoration of success” celebrations related to Iraq and Afghanistan. 38. Homeland Security employee purchases include 63-inch plasma TVs, iPods, and $230 for a beer brewing kit. 39. Two drafting errors in the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act resulted in a $2 billion taxpayer cost. 40. North Ridgeville, Ohio, received $800,000 in “stimulus” funds for a project that its mayor described as “a long way from the top priority.” 41. The National Institutes of Health spends $1.3 million per month to rent a lab that it cannot use. 42. Congress recently spent $2.4 billion on 10 new jets that the Pentagon insists it does not need and will not use. 43. Lawmakers diverted $13 million from Hurricane Katrina relief spending to build a museum celebrating the Army Corps of Engineers–the agency partially responsible for the failed levees that flooded New Orleans. 44. Medicare officials recently mailed $50 million in erroneous refunds to 230,000 Medicare recipients. 45. Audits showed $34 billion worth of Department of Homeland Security contracts contained significant waste, fraud, and abuse. 46. Washington recently spent $1.8 million to help build a private golf course in Atlanta, Georgia. 47. The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses; 40 percent of this funding goes to Fortune 500 companies. 48. Congressional investigators were able to receive $55,000 in federal student loan funding for a fictional college they created to test the Department of Education. 49. The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually not to farm their land. 50. The Commerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans’ personal data.

I should not have to pay for anyone elses rent, utilities, medical care, child care, transportation , job training or schooling. I will say that since food is a daily essential, food stamps are a good thing. Those who don't have enough money to eat should be helped. But, if they are buying cigarettes or alcohol or drugs, they should not get help. Peeing in a cup should be a must for anyone receiving food stamps. They make employees do it to keep their jobs so that they could pay for the food stamps for those who don't work, so why not for those who receive the stamps?

This is how you attack the tea party movement. You find a bad act on the part of one of its organizers...and you impute it to every person in the entire movement. It is wholly unnecessary to address any legitimate concerns they offer. It's all about the attack, the game. This guy was a complete jerk to hold a sign like that. I find it highly insulting. He did that in february and since that time, the movement has grown. Not because of him, but because of the publics outrage over the "Change" that's overtaken America with Obama's policies. The tea party people are not racists. (Oh I'm sure you will find a few crazies in every organization) I'm not a tea partiest, but I believe in what they are fighting for. I am not racist in any way, and the color of Obama's skin means very little to me. He is not a black man, he is a black and white man. But it's not his skin color that people hate, it's his agenda. Liberals like to throw the race thing at conservatives. It's really all they have. To say it's not about race would mean they'd have to actually believe we are not in agreement with all that he is doing at the White House.

read my post before this one. the answer is there. The other option is adoption.

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People in this country decide what laws should be followed and those in authority make the judgement of penalties for them. Why should this priest give his personal opinion on what the penalty should be for a woman having an abortion or for a doctor who provides it? Let the courts decide that. I personally feel that the laws we have right now in place for people who murder should be the same for women who do it to their unborn babies, and doctors should be chraged with it as well. I believe that a life is a life whether it's within a womans body or outside of it. I am not catholic, and don't agree with alot of their doctrines, but this one is undeniably right in every christian denomination. Abortion is the killing of a baby. If the Catholic church states that you must be in agreement with their view on the issue in order to be in good standing with their denomination and be able to recieve communion with them, then every congregant of that church needs to have that same belief about abortion. If you publicly proclaim that you are pro choice, as this man did, then they have every right to refuse to administer communion to you. If you don't agree with your churches denomination about things, maybe you should attend elsewhere.

Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, both relligious views coming straight from God himself, yet both laws enstated in this country. You only want the laws that God gave us that you agree with. If everyone would follow ALL his laws, this could be a better place.

bjean, and what guilt are you speaking of that these threads help to take away?

No. Every thread that was started by me is of interest to me. I can't turn my face to the facts that every issue in life can be solved if people would turn from their desire to live without God ruling in their lives. It's quite disheartening when He gives us the answer to every controversial issue in debate and yet people don't want to hear his answers or even look into them.

Then stay clear of the threads I post on, because my life revolves around God and I could never cease to speak of Him. :blushing:

This was true of Bush as well, but that's irrelevent now. This country has had other times when we were in recession and NO stimulating' was required to bring us out of it. I understand that this is not a 'family' and that the country is run like a 'business', but the precepts are the same. If you overspend when you are in debt, you only bring yourself into deeper debt and there is no chance to 'recover'.

In general, I want to note that I am not oppposed to ALL government involvement and help in the lives of the US citizens. Some help fore people is needed. Most is wasted and abused. Government is just TOO big now. They need to stop making the people dependent upon them with thier generosity that can't be afforded.

msrojacks. I like your response mainly because you can see the disadvantage to Nationalized health care from the viewpoint of businesses. I agree with you.

Recovery spending? What family houshold do you know that chooses to spend some more to get out of the debt their in up to their ears?! Spending does NOT bring recovery, just MORE debt! I understand that the spending has been getting out of hand for many, many years. Bush did his share as well. But Bush isn't in the office now, and noone can turn back the clock. But Obama is and he can do something about it. But did he? No! he just continued to spend far, far, far more when he got in there. And he's not done yet!

I have no disdain for you at all.:smile2:

Then maybe you should have chosen some other Nation besides a Christian one to live in. Because those of us who are Christians in this Christian nation want to live according to the moral standards of God as written in his word. Not that we want to enforce them ALL on everyone, for that would be iompossible, but when there is a controversial issue that is before us all, we should consider what God has to say about it when making any laws that have to do with it. Religion is about morality, and laws for people must uphold moral standards.

Question: "Do Christians have to obey the Old Testament law?" Answer: The key to understanding this issue is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments, for example). Some of the laws were to show the Israelites how to worship God and atone for sin (the sacrificial system). Some of the laws were intended to make the Israelites distinct from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law is binding on us today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). In place of the Old Testament law, we are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us: “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it. “This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God, we will not be worshipping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. The purpose of the Old Testament law is to convict people of our inability to keep the law and point us to our need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9; Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.

Christians today are not under the Old Testament ceremonial law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:24-26; Ephesians 2:15). There no longer is a sacrificial system. Jesus’ blood sacrifice paid the penalty for sins once and for all. The Levitical ceremonial laws do not apply to us today. The moral laws tend to be what Christians should adhere to. This link is a long read, but if you're interested in learning about applying OT law to today, then you may read it. "Applying the Old Testament Law Today" by J. Daniel Hays