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Justice Earl Warren (1891-1974) agreed with his predecessors. Before being appointed as Chief Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Warren had been the Attorney General of California. Warren declared: I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it: freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under law, and the reservation of powers to the people. . . . I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country. There are many similar declarations by other Supreme Court Justices, but in addition to the declarations of individual judges, the federal courts have repeatedly affirmed America to be a Christian nation – including the U. S. Supreme Court, which declared that America was “a Christian country,” filled with “Christian people,and was indeed “a Christian nation.” Dozens of other courts past and present have repeated these pronouncements but so, too, have American Presidents – as in 1947 when President Harry Truman quoted the Supreme Court, declaring: This is a Christian Nation. More than a half century ago that declaration was written into the decrees of the highest court in this land [in an 1892 decision].

I pray for Obama regularly.

Thank you. I sincerely appreciate your prayers.

Nice try. But, you are the one who is wrong. We are a nation that allows other religions to be practiced here, and we are a Christian Nation. Obama is the ONLY President we've ever had who has said that we are not a Christian Nation. Others have always confessed it to be true. Were our past presidents liars? The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. JOHN ADAMS The teachings of the Bible are so interwoven and entwined with our whole civic and social life that it would be literally….impossible for us to figure to ourselves what that life would be if these teaching were removed. TEDDY ROOSEVELT America was born a Christian nation – America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scripture. WOODROW WILSON American life is builded, and can alone survive, upon . . . [the] fundamental philosophy announced by the Savior nineteen centuries ago. HERBERT HOOVER This is a Christian Nation. HARRY TRUMAN Let us remember that as a Christian nation . . . we have a charge and a destiny. RICHARD NIXON

Actually, there are many people who agree with what I post and choose not to be confrontational. Some who only 'view' what's posted have privately emailed me to let me know that they are in agreement with what I say, and they encourage me to keep speaking, despite all the opposition to what I say. I don't find debating distasteful. I find it fun and enjoyable. I don't take personal offense from anyone who talks with me here. (even though I am sure that some of you really can't stand me):drool: I am not out to make enemies or foes. I'm just speaking what I truly believe and live. I also pray for everyone that I talk with. I ask for blessings and 'good' gifts from God for all of you. I ask for his wisdom to be extended to you. I like posting and it is what I do when my work at home is done and I want to relax. I rarely watch TV. (except FOX news, of course.:w00t:) I go to the computer maybe 2 or 3x per day and just check my email and look up interesting tidbits of information. It's quite theraputic. :wink:

Yes, I do. I also interpret the many other biblical principles in scripture that teach that life in the womb is precious to God. You must read the 'whole' bible to understand it all. You can't just take a verse and apply it to any situation. The Old Testament provides most of the information on God's view of life before birth, since it gives us the law. The law specifically addresses the issue of taking the life of a fetus in the book of Exodus: "And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life." (Exodus 21:22-23) Therefore, the law tells us that a man who induces an abortion or miscarriage is to be punished, indicating that God values life before birth. Eureka!

Christianity is the religion that shaped America and made her what she is today. In fact, historically speaking, it can be irrefutably demonstrated that Biblical Christianity in America produced many of the cherished traditions still enjoyed today, including: A republican rather than a theocratic form of government; The institutional separation of church and state (as opposed to today’s enforced institutional secularization of church and state); Protection for religious toleration and the rights of conscience; A distinction between theology and behavior, thus allowing the incorporation into public policy of religious principles that promote good behavior but which do not enforce theological tenets (examples of this would include religious teachings such as the Good Samaritan, The Golden Rule, the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, etc., all of which promote positive civil behavior but do not impose ecclesiastical rites); and A free-market approach to religion, thus ensuring religious diversity. Consequently, a Christian nation as demonstrated by the American experience is a nation founded upon Christian and Biblical principles, whose values, society, and institutions have largely been shaped by those principles. This definition was reaffirmed by American legal scholars and historians for generations but is widely ignored by today’s revisionists.

Whether Obama put the word "JUST" in there or not is irrelevent to what I am trying to state. Which is "WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!!!!" What part of that statement don't you get? I understand that we are not "just" a nation of Christian people. This nation has other religious people living here. But we are and always have been a predominately "Christian" nation. We started off as Christian and we still have a majority of Christians living here. That long post was put there not to debate what Obama had said about "not 'just' being a christian nation". I put it there for its content about the history of America and past presidents and the foundation they set for us.

I don't talk on every thread on this forum. There are many, many, many other threads that I am not on at all. If you don't want to talk to me because I talk about God, then don't go to the few threads that I am talking on, or you may put me on ignore and not view my posts at all. I have every right to be the person that I truly am while I talk here just as you do. BTW, I don't agree with you about getting differing responses to the same book read. The phrase," Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart." means just what it says. If you delight (find joy, pleasure,etc.) in God, he will give you the desires (anything you long or hope for) of your heart. Can you make that say something different? How about: "Thou shalt not murder." Can you make that mean something else? And, "I love you" in french is "I love you" in english.

I posted my response. I agree totally, 100% with what is written there. I couldn't have said it any better. If you care to know how I KNOW that this is a Christian Nation, then you'll have to read it. If you don't care, then neither do I. If you read it and find any untruth, please point it out to me as if I said it myself! You won't though, cause you don't want to be found wrong.

Sure, you say that now because the public option has been killed. He has always prefered and wanted a single payer system here with the gov. in control fully. He is settling because he knows it's not what the rest of us want. If those things you list were what he wanted most of all, we would not have had this debate at all. It was because he wanted the public option that pissed everyone off, and you know it. He could care less about wanting those without ins covered, cause if he did, he could have allowed those without ins. to get on medicaid, (or is it medicare?, I get those 2 mixed up) by raising the income guidelines for the program. And then left the rest of us alone. But, as you know, that was not his goal. His goal was a single payer system. Affordable choices could have come by opening up the insurance sales between states. Simple. But, no, because that was not his goal, it was a single payer public option ONLY for everyone. (NO option) All of your list could have been accomplished without a public option. But no, because it was not his ultimate goal.

Is President Obama Correct: Is America No Longer a Christian Nation? by David Barton Over the past several years, President Barack Obama has repeatedly claimed that America is not a Christian nation. He asserted that while a U. S. Senator, repeated it as a presidential candidate, and on a recent presidential trip to Turkey announced to the world that Americans “do not consider ourselves a Christian nation." (He made that announcement in Turkey because he said it was “a location he said he chose to send a clear message.” Then preceding a subsequent trip to Egypt, he declared that America was “one of the largest Muslim countries in the world” (even though the federal government’s own statistics show that less than one-percent of Americans are Muslims. The President’s statements were publicized across the world but received little attention in the American media. Had they been carried here, the President might have been surprised to learn that nearly two-thirds of Americans currently consider America to be a Christian nation and therefore certainly might have taken exception with his remarks. But regardless of what today’s Americans might think, it is unquestionable that four previous centuries of American leaders would definitely take umbrage with the President’s statements. Modern claims that America is not a Christian nation are rarely noticed or refuted today because of the nation’s widespread lack of knowledge about America’s history and foundation. To help provide the missing historical knowledge necessary to combat today’s post-modern revisionism, presented below will be some statements by previous presidents, legislatures, and courts (as well as by current national Jewish spokesmen) about America being a Christian nation. These declarations from all three branches of government are representative of scores of others and therefore comprise only the proverbial “tip of the iceberg.” Defining a Christian Nation </B>Contemporary post-modern critics (including President Obama) who assert that America is not a Christian nation always refrain from offering any definition of what the term “Christian nation” means. So what is an accurate definition of that term as demonstrated by the American experience? Contrary to what critics imply, a Christian nation is not one in which all citizens are Christians, or the laws require everyone to adhere to Christian theology, or all leaders are Christians, or any other such superficial measurement. As Supreme Court Justice David Brewer (1837-1910) explained: n what sense can [America] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or that the people are in any manner compelled to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within our borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions. Nevertheless, we constantly speak of this republic as a Christian nation – in fact, as the leading Christian nation of the world. So, if being a Christian nation is not based on any of the above criterion, then what makes America a Christian nation? According to Justice Brewer, America was “of all the nations in the world . . . most justly called a Christian nation” because Christianity “has so largely shaped and molded it.” Constitutional law professor Edward Mansfield (1801-1880) similarly acknowledged: In every country, the morals of a people – whatever they may be – take their form and spirit from their religion. For example, the marriage of brothers and sisters was permitted among the Egyptians because such had been the precedent set by their gods, Isis and Osiris. So, too, the classic nations celebrated the drunken rites of Bacchus. Thus, too, the Turk has become lazy and inert because dependent upon Fate, as taught by the Koran. And when in recent times there arose a nation [i.e., France] whose philosophers [e.g. Voltaire, Rousseau, Diderot, Helvetius, etc.] discovered there was no God and no religion, the nation was thrown into that dismal case in which there was no law and no morals. . . . In the United States, Christianity is the original, spontaneous, and national religion. Founding Father and U. S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall agreed: [W]ith us, Christianity and religion are identified. It would be strange, indeed, if with such a people our institutions did not presuppose Christianity and did not often refer to it and exhibit relations with it. Christianity is the religion that shaped America and made her what she is today. In fact, historically speaking, it can be irrefutably demonstrated that Biblical Christianity in America produced many of the cherished traditions still enjoyed today, including: A republican rather than a theocratic form of government; The institutional separation of church and state (as opposed to today’s enforced institutional secularization of church and state); Protection for religious toleration and the rights of conscience; A distinction between theology and behavior, thus allowing the incorporation into public policy of religious principles that promote good behavior but which do not enforce theological tenets (examples of this would include religious teachings such as the Good Samaritan, The Golden Rule, the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, etc., all of which promote positive civil behavior but do not impose ecclesiastical rites); and A free-market approach to religion, thus ensuring religious diversity. Consequently, a Christian nation as demonstrated by the American experience is a nation founded upon Christian and Biblical principles, whose values, society, and institutions have largely been shaped by those principles. This definition was reaffirmed by American legal scholars and historians for generations but is widely ignored by today’s revisionists. American Presidents Affirm that America is a Christian Nation With his recent statement, President Barack Obama is the first American president to deny that America is a Christian nation – a repudiation of what made America great and a refutation of the declarations of his presidential predecessors. Notice a few representative statements on this subject by some of the forty-three previous presidents: The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. JOHN ADAMS [T]he teachings of the Bible are so interwoven and entwined with our whole civic and social life that it would be literally….impossible for us to figure to ourselves what that life would be if these teaching were removed. TEDDY ROOSEVELT America was born a Christian nation – America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scripture. WOODROW WILSON American life is builded, and can alone survive, upon . . . [the] fundamental philosophy announced by the Savior nineteen centuries ago. HERBERT HOOVER This is a Christian Nation. HARRY TRUMAN Let us remember that as a Christian nation . . . we have a charge and a destiny. RICHARD NIXON There are many additional examples, including even that of Thomas Jefferson. Significantly, Jefferson was instrumental in establishing weekly Sunday worship services at the U. S. Capitol (a practice that continued through the 19th century) and was himself a regular and faithful attendant at those church services, not even allowing inclement weather to dissuade his weekly horseback travel to the Capitol church. (The fact that the U. S. Capitol building was available for church on Sundays was due to the Art. I, Sec. 7 constitutional requirement that forbade federal lawmaking on Sundays; and this recognition of a Christian Sabbath in the U. S. Constitution was cited by federal courts as proof of the Christian nature of America. While not every Christian observes a Sunday Sabbath, no other religion in the world honors Sunday except Christianity. As one court noted, the various Sabbaths were “the Friday of the Mohammedan, the Saturday of the Israelite, or the Sunday of the Christian.” ) Why was Jefferson a faithful attendant at the Sunday church at the Capitol? He once explained to a friend while they were walking to church together: No nation has ever existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be. The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example. President Jefferson even closed presidential documents with “In the year of our Lord Christ” (see below). Even President Jefferson recognized and treated America as a Christian nation. Clearly, President Obama’s declaration is refuted both by history and by his own presidential predecessors. The U. S. Congress Affirms that America is a Christian Nation Declarations from the Legislative Branch affirming America as a Christian nation are abundant. For example, in 1852-1853 when some citizens sought a complete secularization of the public square and a cessation of all religious activities by the government, Congress responded with unambiguous declarations about America as a Christian nation: HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: Had the people, during the Revolution, had a suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, that Revolution would have been strangled in its cradle. At the time of the adoption of the Constitution and the amendments, the universal sentiment was that Christianity should be encouraged, not any one sect [denomination]. Any attempt to level and discard all religion would have been viewed with universal indignation. . . . In this age there can be no substitute for Christianity; that, in its general principles, is the great conservative element on which we must rely for the purity and permanence of free institutions. SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE: We are Christians, not because the law demands it, not to gain exclusive benefits or to avoid legal disabilities, but from choice and education; and in a land thus universally Christian, what is to be expected, what desired, but that we shall pay a due regard to Christianity? In 1856, the House of Representatives also declared: [T]he great vital and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. On March 3, 1863 while in the midst of the Civil War, the U. S. Senate requested President Abraham Lincoln to “designate and set apart a day for national prayer and humiliation” because: incerely believing that no people, however great in numbers and resources or however strong in the justice of their cause, can prosper without His favor; and at the same time deploring the national offences which have provoked His righteous judgment, yet encouraged in this day of trouble by the assurances of His word to seek Him for succor according to His appointed way through Jesus Christ, the Senate of the United States do hereby request the President of the United States, by his proclamation, to designate and set apart a day for national prayer and humiliation. (emphasis added) President Lincoln quickly complied with that request, and issued what today has become one of the most famous and quoted proclamations in America’s history. Across the generations, our national reliance on God, the Bible, and Christianity has been repeatedly reaffirmed. In fact, consider five representative images produced by the U. S. Government. The first three are from World War II: one shows the Nazis as the enemy because they want to attack the Bible, and the other two encourage Americans to buy War Bonds by pointing to Christian images. The fourth and fifth images are from the Department of Agriculture in the 1960s, using the Bible and even Smokey Bear in prayer as symbols to encourage Americans to be conscious of fire safety and to help preserve and conserve nature. There are scores of other official actions by the U. S. Congress over the past two centuries affirming that America is a Christian nation. The Judicial Branch Affirms that America is a Christian Nation From the Judicial Branch, consider first some declarations of prominent U. S. Supreme Court Justices regarding America as a Christian nation. Justice Joseph Story (1779-1845) was appointed to the Court by President James Madison. Story is considered the founder of Harvard Law School and authored the three-volume classic Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States (1833). In his 34 years on the Court, Story authored opinions in 286 cases, of which 269 were reported as the majority opinion or the opinion of the Court and his many contributions to American law have caused him to be called a “Father of American Jurisprudence.” Justice Story openly declared: One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundations. . . . I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. His conclusion about America and Christianity was straightforward: In [our] republic, there would seem to be a peculiar propriety in viewing the Christian religion as the great basis on which it must rest for its support and permanence. Justice John McLean (1785-1861) was appointed to the Court by President Andrew Jackson. McLean served in the U. S. Congress, as a judge on the Ohio Supreme Court, and then held cabinet positions under two U. S. Presidents. His view on the importance of Christianity to American government and its institutions was unambiguous: For many years, my hope for the perpetuity of our institutions has rested upon Bible morality and the general dissemination of Christian principles. This is an element which did not exist in the ancient republics. It is a basis on which free governments may be maintained through all time. . . . Free government is not a self-moving machine. . . . Our mission of freedom is not carried out by brute force, by canon law, or any other law except the moral law and those Christian principles which are found in the Scriptures. Justice David Brewer (1837-1910), appointed to the Court by President Benjamin Harrison, agreed. Brewer held several judgeships in Kansas and served on a federal circuit court before his appointment to the Supreme Court. Justice Brewer declared: We constantly speak of this republic as a Christian nation – in fact, as the leading Christian nation of the world. Brewer then chronicled the types of descriptions applied to nations: We classify nations in various ways: as, for instance, by their form of government. One is a kingdom, another an empire, and still another a republic. Also by race. Great Britain is an Anglo-Saxon nation, France a Gallio, Germany a Teutonic, Russia a Slav. And still again by religion. One is a Mohammedan nation, others are heathen, and still others are Christian nations. This republic is classified among the Christian nations of the world. It was so formally declared by the Supreme Court of the United States. In the case of Holy Trinity Church vs. United States, 143 U.S. 471, that Court, after mentioning various circumstances, added, “these and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation.” Brewer did not believe that calling America a Christian nation was a hollow appellation; in fact, he penned an entire book setting forth the evidence that America was a Christian nation. He concluded: have said enough to show that Christianity came to this country with the first colonists; has been powerfully identified with its rapid development, colonial and national, and today exists as a mighty factor in the life of the republic. This is a Christian nation. . . . [T]he calling of this republic a Christian nation is not a mere pretence, but a recognition of an historical, legal, and social truth. Justice Earl Warren (1891-1974) agreed with his predecessors. Before being appointed as Chief Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Warren had been the Attorney General of California. Warren declared: I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it: freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under law, and the reservation of powers to the people. . . . I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country. There are many similar declarations by other Supreme Court Justices, but in addition to the declarations of individual judges, the federal courts have repeatedly affirmed America to be a Christian nation – including the U. S. Supreme Court, which declared that America was “a Christian country,” filled with “Christian people,and was indeed “a Christian nation.” Dozens of other courts past and present have repeated these pronouncements but so, too, have American Presidents – as in 1947 when President Harry Truman quoted the Supreme Court, declaring: This is a Christian Nation. More than a half century ago that declaration was written into the decrees of the highest court in this land [in an 1892 decision]. In addition to its “Christian nation” declarations, the Supreme Court also regularly relied on Christian principles as the basis of its rulings on issues such as marriage, citizenship, foreign affairs, and domestic treaties. For example, when some federal territories attempted to introduce the practice of bigamy and polygamy, the Supreme Court disallowed those practices because: Bigamy and polygamy are crimes by the laws of all civilized and Christian countries. In another case, the Court similarly explained: The organization of a community for the spread and practice of polygamy is . . . . contrary to the spirit of Christianity and of the civilization which Christianity has produced in the Western world. And when the issue arose of whether marriages made in foreign nations would be recognized in the United States, the federal court held that foreign marriages would be recognized only if they were not “contrary to the general view of Christendom.” The Supreme Court also decided military service issues in accord with Christian principles and standards. For example, in 1931, when a Canadian immigrant refused to take the oath of allegiance to the United States, the Supreme Court explained why he was therefore excluded from citizenship: We are a Christian people (Holy Trinity Church v. United States. 143 U.S. 457, 470 , 471 S., 12 S. Ct. 511), according to one another the equal right of religious freedom and acknowledging with reverence the duty of obedience to the will of God. But also we are a nation with the duty to survive; a nation whose Constitution contemplates war as well as peace; whose government must go forward upon the assumption (and safely can proceed upon no other) that unqualified allegiance to the nation and submission and obedience to the laws of the land, as well those made for war as those made for peace, are not inconsistent with the will of God. The Supreme Court also relied on Christian principles in its rulings on international policies. For example, if an American citizen living in a foreign land was accused of a crime under the laws of a fundamentally different nation (such as in Islamic nations, secular nations, and most recently in Japan following World War II), by means of international treaties, the U. S. citizen would be tried in front of the U. S. Consul in that nation (in what were called Consular Tribunals) rather than before the courts of that country. Of this practice, the Supreme Court explained: In other than Christian countries, they [the Consuls] were by treaty stipulations usually clothed with authority to hear complaints against their countrymen and to sit in judgment upon them when charged with public offenses. . . . The intense hostility of the people of Moslem faith to all other sects, and particularly to Christians, affected all their intercourse [transactions] and all proceedings had in their tribunals. Even the rules of evidence adopted by them [the Muslims] placed those of different faith on unequal grounds in any controversy with them. For this cause, and by reason of the barbarous and cruel punishments inflicted in those countries and the frequent use of torture to enforce confession from parties accused, it was a matter of deep interest to Christian governments to withdraw the trial of their subjects, when charged with the commission of a public offense, from the arbitrary and despotic action of the local officials. Treaties conferring such jurisdiction upon these consuls were essential to the peaceful residence of Christians within those countries. For example, an Islamic nation might charge an American with the capital-offense crime of blasphemy merely because the American attended Christian worship or used a Bible in that country; or a secular nation might accuse an American of the crime of proselytizing simply for sharing his faith with another (currently a crime in France, across India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia,Malaysia, and many other nations). In such cases, the Consul tried the offense under America’s laws as a Christian nation. However, if another nation accused an American of a crime such as murder, the charge would stand since murder was also a crime in our Christian nation. The Supreme Court commended this position and federal courts observed the policy until deep into the twentieth century, when many foreign nations finally began to adopt what the Supreme Court had earlier called “a system of judicial procedure like that of Christian countries.” Federal domestic treaties were yet another area in which the federal judiciary relied on Christian principles and standards. For example, by 1877 a number of disputes had arisen in which Indian lands were wrongly being taken for timber, minerals, and other resources. When those cases reached the Supreme Court, the Court affirmed the occupancy rights of the tribes to the lands because: It is to be presumed that in this matter the United States would be governed by such considerations of justice as would control a Christian people . . . The Court repeated this position on numerous subsequent occasions – as in 1903 when it reiterated: n decisions of this court, the Indian right of occupancy of tribal lands, whether declared in a treaty or otherwise created, has been stated to be sacred. . . . Thus. . . . “It is to be presumed that in this matter the United States would be governed by such considerations of justice as would control a Christian people . . ." The Court’s position was subsequently enacted into federal statutory law in 1906, and in 1955, the Supreme Court was still praising this position – a position regularly cited by other courts for decades, including in the late 1990s. These are just a few examples of the literally hundreds of similar cases at both federal and state levels affirming that America is indeed a Christian nation. American Jewish Leaders Agree with History Jewish leaders, although firmly committed to their own faith, understand that by defending Christianity they are defending what has provided them their own religious liberty in America. For example, Jeff Jacoby, a Jewish columnist at the Boston Globe explains: This is a Christian country – it was founded by Christians and built on broad Christian principles. Threatening? Far from it. It is in precisely this Christian country that Jews have known the most peaceful, prosperous, and successful existence in their long history. Aaron Zelman (a Jewish author and head of a civil rights organization) similarly declares: [C]hristian America is the best home our people have found in 2,000 years. . . . [T]his remains the most tolerant, prosperous, and safest home we could be blessed with. Dennis Prager, a Jewish national columnist and popular talkshow host, warns: If America abandons its Judeo-Christian values basis and the central role of the Jewish and Christian Bibles (its Founders’ guiding text), we are all in big trouble, including, most especially, America’s non-Christians. Just ask the Jews of secular Europe. Prager further explained: I believe that it is good that America is a Christian nation. . . . I have had the privilege of speaking in nearly every Jewish community in America over the last 30 years, and I have frequently argued in favor of this view. Recently, I spoke to the Jewish community of a small North Carolina city. When some in the audience mentioned their fear of rising religiosity among Christians, I asked these audience-members if they loved living in their city. All of them said they did. Is it a coincidence, I then asked, that the city you so love (for its wonderful people, its safety for your children, its fine schools, and its values that enable you to raise your children with confidence) is a highly Christian city? Too many Americans do not appreciate the connection between American greatness and American Christianity. Don Feder, a Jewish columnist and long time writer for the Boston Herald, similarly acknowledges: Clearly this nation was established by Christians. . . . As a Jew, I’m entirely comfortable with the concept of the Christian America. The choice isn’t Christian America or nothing, but Christian America or a neo-pagan, hedonistic, rights-without-responsibilities, anti-family, culture-of-death America. As an American Jew. . . . feel very much at home here. In fact, Feder calls on Jews to defend the truth that America is a Christian Nation: Jews – as Jews – must oppose revisionist efforts to deny our nation’s Christian heritage, must stand against the drive to decouple our laws from Judeo-Christian ethics, and must counter attacks on public expressions of the religion of most Americans – Christianity. Jews are safer in a Christian America than in a secular America. Michael Medved, a Jewish national talkshow host and columnist, agrees that America is indeed a Christian nation: The framers may not have mentioned Christianity in the Constitution but they clearly intended that charter of liberty to govern a society of fervent faith, freely encouraged by government for the benefit of all. Their noble and unprecedented experiment never involved a religion-free or faithless state but did indeed presuppose America’s unequivocal identity as a Christian nation. Burt Prelutsky, a Jewish columnist for the Los Angeles Times (and a freelance writer for the New York Times, Washington Times, Sports Illustrated, and other national publications) and a patriotic Jewish American, gladly embraces America as a Christian nation and even resents the secularist post-modern attack on national Christian celebrations such as Christmas: I never thought I’d live to see the day that Christmas would become a dirty word. . . .How is it, one well might ask, that in a Christian nation this is happening? And in case you find that designation objectionable, would you deny that India is a Hindu country, that Turkey is Muslim, that Poland is Catholic? That doesn’t mean those nations are theocracies. But when the overwhelming majority of a country’s population is of one religion, and most Americans happen to be one sort of Christian or another, only a darn fool would deny the obvious. . . . This is a Christian nation, my friends. And all of us are fortunate it is one, and that so many millions of Americans have seen fit to live up to the highest precepts of their religion. It should never be forgotten that, in the main, it was Christian soldiers who fought and died to defeat Nazi Germany and who liberated the concentration camps. Speaking as a member of a minority group – and one of the smaller ones at that – I say it behooves those of us who don’t accept Jesus Christ as our savior to show some gratitude to those who do, and to start respecting the values and traditions of the overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens, just as we keep insisting that they respect ours. Merry Christmas, my friends. Orthodox Rabbi Daniel Lapin of the Jewish Policy Center unequivocally declares understand that I live . . . in a Christian nation, albeit one where I can follow my faith as long as it doesn’t conflict with the nation’s principles. The same option is open to all Americans and will be available only as long as this nation’s Christian roots are acknowledged and honored. In fact, with foreboding he warns: Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and without America, the west is doomed. Which is why I, an Orthodox Jewish rabbi, devoted to Jewish survival, the Torah, and Israel am so terrified of American Christianity caving in. God help Jews if America ever becomes a post-Christian society! Just think of Europe! — — — ◊ ◊ ◊ — — — President Obama’s declaration that Americans “do not consider ourselves a Christian nation” is a repudiation of the declarations of the national leaders before him and is an unabashed attempt at historical revisionism. Of such efforts, Chief Justice William Rehnquist wisely observed, “no amount of repetition of historical errors . . . can make the errors true.” Americans must now decide whether centuries of presidents, congresses, and courts are correct or whether President Obama is, but historical fact does not change merely because the President declares it. The best antidote to the type of revisionism embodied by President Obama’s statement is for citizens (1) to know the truth of America’s history and (2) share that truth with others.

Luke 23:43 "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in Paradise." It refers to a place of bliss or rest between death and the resurrection. I did not understand that this is what they refered to as 'limbo'. But, since it is, I will state that during the time between Jesus' death and his resurrection a few days later, may be considered a time of 'limbo' because before Jesus died, people went to Paradise instead of Heaven when they died. This paradise was a place of 'limbo', I suppose, while waiting for Jesus to be born, grow up, die on the cross and get ressurected. Noone could be resurrected and enter Heaven until after Jesus was. I had always just called it 'Paradise'. Same goes for Luke 16, the story of the rich man and Lazarus. My apologies. 2Mc 12:38-46 is not part of the original bible. But, if 'purgatory, the place where souls can go and get a second' chance for Heaven were a real place, why would Jesus say that "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." ? Shouldn't he have said, "to be absent from the body is to be in purgatory, if you weren't 'good' enough to go straight to Heaven." To say that there is a purgatory contradicts other 'real' words from God.

How does that verse suggest that the death penalty is wrong? Just because people are in prison who need us to care for them? We certainly aren't going to put 'every' prisoner to death. Just those who murder.

The Catholic church had the bible hidden from their congregation for many centuries for a reason. Anyone who has read the bible knows that their doctrines are their own denominations rules and traditions and do not all come from the bible. After the people in that denomination got the bible into their own hands, they became Enlightened to their leaders deceitfulness to them. Why do you think we have protestants today? BTW, even Catholics will tell you that the word or concept of 'purgatory' or 'limbo' is found no where in scripture. So, they have not 'interpretted' the bible differently, they have 'added' to it some of their own traditions, rules, and teachings. The bible says what it says. No interpretation problems. Only problems for those who don't want to adhere to what it says.

Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama (IL) has proposed an ambitious plan to reform America’s health care sector. According to his campaign website, “Obama will sign a universal health care plan into law by the end of his first term in office. His plan will provide affordable, quality health care coverage for every American.” (his plan was the single payer plan. Then he went for a public option when he knew the people wouldn't go for not having a choice in their ins. company) He has repeatedly signaled his support for a single-payer health care system. In 2003, Obama stated, “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer, universal health care plan.” At a town hall meeting in August 2008, Obama responded to a question about the single-payer concept, “If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single- payer system.” He then hinted that, once implemented, his reform plan could take Krugman and like-minded supporters where they ultimately want to go: “my attitude is let’s build up the system we got . . . [and] we may . . . over time . . . decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively. Single-payer health insurance collects all medical fees and then pays for all services through a single government (or government-related) source. In wealthy nations, this kind of publicly-managed health insurance is typically extended to all citizens and legal residents. (from the washington wire)Barack Obama said he would consider embracing a single-payer health-care system, beloved by liberals, as his plan for broader coverage evolves over time. Listen up. Single-payer health care might just work. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon) “If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system,” Obama told some 1,800 people at a town-hall style meeting on the economy. A single-payer system would eliminate private insurance companies and put a Medicare-like system into place where the government pays all health-care bills with tax dollars. Many liberals have long embraced the coverage plan, saying it would cover everyone, take the profit out of health insurance and allow for greater efficiencies. But Republicans cringe at such deep government involvement in the private sector, calling it socialized medicine. And many Democrats, including Obama and former rival Hillary Clinton, have taken a much more moderate approach. Obama’s health-care plan aims for universal coverage by offering a new government-run marketplace where Americans could buy insurance, mostly from private plans. He would offer subsidies to individuals and to small business owners that offer their workers coverage. His plan also would require that parents get insurance for their kids. And he aims to lower health-care costs to make coverage more affordable. His plan includes one small step toward single payer. His new marketplace would create a new government-run plan, like Medicare, to compete against the private plans. But Obama repeated that he rejects an immediate shift to a single-payer system. “Given that a lot of people work for insurance companies, a lot of people work for HMOs. You’ve got a whole system of institutions that have been set up,” he said at a roundtable discussion with women Monday morning after a voter asked, “Why not single payer?” “People don’t have time to wait,” Obama said. “They need relief now. So my attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time—as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered—decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.”

what are you talking about? Are you saying that I don't hold myself accountable for my failures? What fear rules my life?

I did not coin the words. Those words come from God. He said ,"You must be born again." All those who do not choose to be in God's family, for whatever reason, will not be. There are only two places to exist after death from this life. Heaven or Hell. One is with God, and the other is without Him. It is each persons 'choice'. Why is that scary stuff? Is it because of all the things someone else may have told you about Hell?

I speak generally. Not you personally, for I don't know you that well. In general, there are many things that liberals feel are morally okay which God deems unacceptable. This is why I say that America needs to raise its level of morality. I have no intent to offend anyone here. this is not my goal. I am not posting here to offend you or anyone else who reads here. If I have, I apologize.

I'm trying to fool noone. And don't speak for me, please.